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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: R-Tistic on January 05, 2004, 12:53:54 PM
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What rapper or rappers from the west coast do you think COULD be the biggest commercial rappers from the west? This doesn't mean who has had the most success, or is on top right now...but if exposed with the right promotion producers and all, would be best?
I think Bad Azz is the best for this role. His delivery and flow is damm near perfect, and for a gangsta rapper he has insight and hard ass multis. Not only that, but he RAPES beats that artists from other commercial made hits. He killed ADIDAC on the ADIDAS beat, and he ripped that "Play no games" Lil Jon beat waay better than anybody on the original did. He has hella personality as well.
I would say he may be in the top 10 best rappers overall on the west, but as far as commercial shit goes that could have dope azz club songs and even the touchin deep shit that has radio appeal, I think he'd be the best. To me, his ONLY drawback is his name, which will hurt his appeal a liil bit.
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Bad Azz definatly, or Crook...
Only time will tell tho.
But Im pullin for Mr. B-A-D...
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Bad Azz definatly, or Crook...
Only time will tell tho.
But Im pullin for Mr. B-A-D...
Yeah, I would say Crooked might be 2nd. But his flow and lyrics are a lil too complex for the commercial audience, and his real fans wouldn't want him to water down jus to make catchy shit. Bad Azz got the personality and can make somethin dope as hell but still catchy enough for females to sing.
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Bad Azz definitely. Soopafly could be as well, because he's pretty funny with his raps. His beats would fit well too.
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snoop always was and always will be the og "commercial WC rapper" - no one is going to pay attention to anyone like they did big snoop dogg....and bad azz, he's not gonna blow cuz snoop's been around so long. the time for a WC rapper to blow up is over, and snoop holds that crown.
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snoop always was and always will be the og "commercial WC rapper" - no one is going to pay attention to anyone like they did big snoop dogg....and bad azz, he's not gonna blow cuz snoop's been around so long. the time for a WC rapper to blow up is over, and snoop holds that crown.
prolly true
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tash kokane wc
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GAME, cause he got a eastcoast flow and he's lookin uhm... lookin uhm... young, well lets say he aint ugly.
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The Game. His style is so generic that it will sell. You can hear that style in almost any young up and comer in NY/Philly, right now. They're all blowing up with it. Plus, he's riding with 50 and Dre, he's almost a sure fire bet to blow.
Bad Azz is tight, but damn ya'll are gassing him. He's above average, but not seeing a lot of emcees. I seriously doubt he'll ever blow, he doesn't have that little something in him.
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^ like goin with what sven said above bad aint a pretty boy.. and his voice ya know what i mean? just like shade sheist/ tray deee... maybe even game is there..
as an all around package maybe someone like yuk? i'm not sure...
maybe quik with the right push.. or suga free..
they gotta have some charisma
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Suga Free's style is too odd, he wouldn't blow up. Quik's time to blow is pretty much done. Yuk has a good chance, but he needs promotion. Yuk has an original style, but he makes music that is appealing to everyone. I think being on Rap-A-Lot Yuk will never blow. Virgin doesn't know how to promote a rapper.
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IMO the best one can be Knoc-turn'al.....he's got more charisma than a lot of WC rappers, and it's scary the similarities between Snoop n Knoc
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Bad Azz is tight, but damn ya'll are gassing him. He's above average, but not seeing a lot of emcees. I seriously doubt he'll ever blow, he doesn't have that little something in him.
I ain't gassin him for nothin. The Game prolly will be the one to blow but I like Bad a lot better. Thas y the thread was about the rapper that COULD be the best, not who will.
As far as commercial style like I said, he is seein most mcees on the west. I am not sayin he's the best at all, but he is up there, and his flow lyrics style have that appeal. He's not just all about "I'll put a bullet in ya chest" and how many different ways he can do that. And he's not generic about anything he talks about. When he's talkin bout females he ain't just like "I fuck all the hoes and they love my dick" he will say clever and creative and funny shit. Then when he wants to touch people he'll do that in a real way.
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IMO the best one can be Knoc-turn'al.....he's got more charisma than a lot of WC rappers, and it's scary the similarities between Snoop n Knoc
What similarities would those be, other than how they look? I don't really like Knoc all that much, I think the beats he raps to and people he raps with save him 90% of the time.
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Roscoe still has a chance.. Or Crooked I with the right promotion. Bad Azz has no charisma in the front of a camera he looks like a fool . Think about "we be putting it down" or "U aint Shit". He's a dope rapper but he dosent have the charisma to be a star. Somebody mentioned Tash, its kinda true, The Licks make good party tracks
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Roscoe still has a chance.. Or Crooked I with the right promotion. Bad Azz has no charisma in the front of a camera he looks like a fool . Think about "we be putting it down" or "U aint Shit". He's a dope rapper but he dosent have the charisma to be a star. Somebody mentioned Tash, its kinda true, The Licks make good party tracks
i dont think tha liks are ever gonna get bigger than they were with best u can..
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Roscoe still has a chance.. Or Crooked I with the right promotion. Bad Azz has no charisma in the front of a camera he looks like a fool . Think about "we be putting it down" or "U aint Shit". He's a dope rapper but he dosent have the charisma to be a star. Somebody mentioned Tash, its kinda true, The Licks make good party tracks
Yea Roscoe got it.
But I have seen Bad on TV in interviews and all and he has a real outgoin personality. He overdoes it a lil on his own videos but he doesnt try 2 act all hard and gangsta like most west coast rappers.
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I think Warren G was been one of the most "commercial" rappers of the WC. Tracks like What's Love Got To Do With It, I Shot The Sheriff, Smoking Me Out, Regulate... if those tracks aint the perfect definition of "commercial tracks"!!!!!!!!! Warren G, def.
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Bad Azz acted cool in the "How we get Down" video...
Im Bigg, like the king of New York,
Baby, Notorious/
Cuz Bustin rhymes means victory,
There-for I am Victorious
-Bad Azz
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Well I would like to say Bad Azz, he's one of my favorites and he's the kind of artist that should blow up. He has some deep things to say, he's a great lyricist and he can still sound good on party records (not too over-complex for the simpleton club-goers).
BUT I don't see it happening. He's had two albums, been on Snoop's shit, he's been around for a minute and the mainstream just doesnt seem to give a fuck.
Same with Yukmouth, I have no clue why but the masses just aint feelin the modern day Yuk (Post-5 On It), even though he covers the same ground most popular rappers do, and does it with a lot more style.
So really I can't make a decent decision, because it seems that all the rappers I like, the mainstream audience doesn't. I thought Short Khop was gonna be a hit but nobody outside of LA gave a fuck about him, its been the same with plenty others. I'm staying underground.
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KnocTurn'al & Soopafly have got enough charisma to lead Westocast into the commercial scene. Crooked I, mayyyyyyyybe...
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I mean, if we're talking emceeing Bad Azz ain't in the same category as many of the top emcees in the West. Not close. Commercial appeal, he doesn't have it. He's had videos, he's been on BET/MTV with Snoop, he just doesn't have the commercial flare.
"See, nothin' about these hoggs is cute/They got more stripes than Daryl McDaniels joggin' suits"-Crooked I
Bad Azz has never and probably will never spit something that hot.
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"See, nothin' about these hoggs is cute/They got more stripes than Daryl McDaniels joggin' suits"-Crooked I
Bad Azz has never and probably will never spit something that hot.
Like I said:
Im Bigg, like the king of New York,
Baby, Notorious/
Cuz Bustin rhymes means victory,
There-for I am Victorious
-Bad Azz
Thats a sick line with mulitiples in it...Bad Azz is dope man, I dont know how you think there many heads on the westcoast better than Bad...He just says dope shit all the time, real shit too...shit like "Paper haters hate the fact that I attract alotta Paper, among other shit...
I could search for more lyrics, but I stand by my opinion that Bad Azz is the most talented on the west...Not taking anything away from Crook either.
OK Check this verse, from "Nigga 4 Life"
{Bad Azz}
We confined to these wordly ways, it's unchanging
The money makes, murder the kids, and gangbangin
The stock market crashed, they watchin my black ass
You pop em for fast cash so we dies over dollars
Get wise hold the knowledge, we rides know the choices
The key to the future, the devil he wanna shoot ya
Fuck em they call us niggs I'm tryin to make a livin
Do some touchin, you know I'm pretty good with the bustin
Trustin nothin you can buy if your money in discretion
We'll beat you and car jacks and leave you wit a concussion
We the gang, we mash and blast and maintain
Still the same, just fuckin wit a brand new thang
Bang, bang, take that, nigga 'fore we skirt out
Aint gotta say shit already put the word out
Ya heard how the thang goes down around us
We playas, so haters can't clown around us
On point, big fat blunts and joints
And get drunk, this cold world, they aint givin a fuck
About you livin let alone you livin it up
Niggas is stuck, I'm tryin to keep my head above water
Not stressed about dyin for a quarter in a shorter
My time get the heart of my rhymes, get a nigga get better with time
And wonderin how I'm goin by, can't help it in the heat of the
Heartless hood, it's all good
Now your telling me theres alota heads above Bad Azz...
Doubt it.
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Study that line I dropped. It might be a little complex for you but once you get it, you'll know why Icon is way ahead of Bad Azz. And, I never said Bad didn't have talent, he just isn't as good as many of the top emcees out here.
I would never put Bad Azz up there with say Ras Kass, Sly, Gift Of Gab, Chali 2na, Irescience, Del, Planet Asia, Casual, Aceyalone, Defari, Chace Infinite, Scipio, Sick Jacken, 2Mex, Busdriver, to name a few. I would put Crooked I head to head with them.
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I'm a big fan of Bad Azz, but I agree with those who say he won't be the "next Snoop". His chance passed with "Personal Business". Two videos, including one with Snoop, and still nothing. IMO Knoc has all of the right tools to blow. "The Knoc" with Missy and Dre was pretty damn big, and if they ever get this "Way I Am [remix]" video with Snoop out it'll help a lot more. Especially once his album finally drops. I wish someone like Crooked I or Sly Boogy would blow, but I guess the mainstream just ain't feelin' those with incredible lyrical ability.
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Study that line I dropped. It might be a little complex for you but once you get it, you'll know why Icon is way ahead of Bad Azz. And, I never said Bad didn't have talent, he just isn't as good as many of the top emcees out here.
I would never put Bad Azz up there with say Ras Kass, Sly, Gift Of Gab, Chali 2na, Irescience, Del, Planet Asia, Casual, Aceyalone, Defari, Chace Infinite, Scipio, Sick Jacken, 2Mex, Busdriver, to name a few. I would put Crooked I head to head with them.
I get that line, and it is dope. But for one, I always have thought Crooked was better than Bad Azz, but Bad Azz has more appeal, and has proven himself because of the fact he has two albums and has been consistent. I am one of the many that has been dyin for a Crooked album, so don't say "well that's not Crooked's fault" because it isn't. But I still think Bad Azz is better as a commercial artist than Crooked I.
Basically, all the names you listed may be dope as hell, but aren't as diverse. True, Bad isn't as lyrical as any of em, but I think his delivery and flow are better than all. I could bump a Bad Azz album all day long. He sounds better over a variety of beats. Now I haven't heard all of the artists u listed, but shit, other than a few people on this board who has?? So don't say "what the fuck??? u haven't heard of Busdriver??" because if u asked all of my homeboys, the only bus driver they know is the one who took us to school in high school. I kno snoop is a reason that we kno who bad azz is now, but snoop has nothin to do with why I think Bad Azz is dope, because many people will be like "u only like him cause he is with snoop."
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I'm a big fan of Bad Azz, but I agree with those who say he won't be the "next Snoop". His chance passed with "Personal Business". Two videos, including one with Snoop, and still nothing. IMO Knoc has all of the right tools to blow. "The Knoc" with Missy and Dre was pretty damn big, and if they ever get this "Way I Am [remix]" video with Snoop out it'll help a lot more. Especially once his album finally drops. I wish someone like Crooked I or Sly Boogy would blow, but I guess the mainstream just ain't feelin' those with incredible lyrical ability.
I never thought of Bad as bein the next Snoop, nor do I want him to be, because he is Bad Azz. He is worst and better than snoop in different ways. He shits on Knoc in my opinion..I have never felt Knoc all that much. His flow isn't really that creative to me, and his lyrics are less than impressive in my opinion. Yeah Crooked and Sly should blow up, but it's not that the mainstream ain't feelin em, they just aren't hearin em. Most dudes would recognize their talents fa sho, and most girls would like em if they heard em spit on a club track.
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"Who can push you off a summit, on to a dagger that stab you in the back and exit ya stomach/ after you plummet one hundred miles from it/Who else can start a flee/tie you to the bumper of a movin' truck, hop on ya body like water skis/Gotta be the Crooked hombre/I put so many infra red dots on ya shirt that niggas would you was Qwame/I'm twistin' caps like I'm openin' beers/Been loc'n for years, I choke engineers til they broke into tears/Provokin' ya fears, throwin' spears at speeds fierce enough the pierce the hemisphere between both of ya ears"
I'll just stop there.
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"Who can push you off a summit, on to a dagger that stab you in the back and exit ya stomach/ after you plummet one hundred miles from it/Who else can start a flee/tie you to the bumper of a movin' truck, hop on ya body like water skis/Gotta be the Crooked hombre/I put so many infra red dots on ya shirt that niggas would you was Qwame/I'm twistin' caps like I'm openin' beers/Been loc'n for years, I choke engineers til they broke into tears/Provokin' ya fears, throwin' spears at speeds fierce enough the pierce the hemisphere between both of ya ears"
I'll just stop there.
LOL...u still act like I said Crooked was wack!!!!!!!
Damn, everytime I talk to people about west coast rap, Crooked is who I mention. So just because I said Bad Azz has more commercial appeal, doesn't mean that I said he is better. What song is that from?
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^^^Never directed that at you. Don't get excited.
I know damn sure you never heard Busdriver, he has NO commercial appeal. But, that does not take away from his emceeing. Just because you and your homeboys don't know em, that don't mean they're not better than Bad Azz. Fact is this, commercial appeal never goes to the most talented nowadays. Look at the people who are blowing up, they have little to no lyrical skill. Bad Azz has lyrical skill, but near as much as the people I listed. I can drop a ton of names who got more commercial appeal than Bad Azz, too. He's not as hot as he's made out to be. He'd be another Techniec, who is better in my opinion, had Snoop not brought him along for the ride. Bad Azz' albums would've never seen the light of day had Snoop not took control. Matter of fact, Crooked I could have very well been in Bad Azz' situation right now, with Bad in Crooked's had Icon stuck with the DPG.
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Commercial appeal ??
Knoc-Turn'al
Dude can rap & sing, plus he's as catchy as Snoop was in his prime..
Snoop was a sharper rapper, but Snoop can't sing like Knoc.
Knoc's spot on Dre's "Bad Intentions" and WSC's "Lights Out" shows that he's not only in the rapper market, but also in Nate Dogg/Butch Cassidy/Kokane's hook-singers market.. ghostwriting hits is just a added bonus.
Bad Azz train passed... Soopafly passed.. Roscoe still got a small chance, Game got a chance.. Crooked I will not go gold, much less platinum, even if his life depended on it.
But that's not his position neither, super lyricists very rarely cross over to the mainstream.
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I can only see Knoc blowing up if he stops being creative. He has a lot creative tracks that would NEVER catch on, which is a damn shame. But, he's almost missing his chance. "Muzik" was a hot ass jam that didn't take off, like it should've. He needs to hurry up.
Roscoe falls under the same category as Yuk. His album had the appeal, but just didn't catch on. Promotion is everything.
Crooked I will not do anything on Deathrow. They don't know how to put an artist out and promote. He needs to ride with someone who understands how to push an artist. He has the diversity to make tracks like "So Damn Hood" and still drop some hot ass lines it, while keeping it commercial.
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IMO the best one can be Knoc-turn'al.....he's got more charisma than a lot of WC rappers, and it's scary the similarities between Snoop n Knoc
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I can only see Knoc blowing up if he stops being creative. He has a lot creative tracks that would NEVER catch on, which is a damn shame. But, he's almost missing his chance. "Muzik" was a hot ass jam that didn't take off, like it should've. He needs to hurry up.
Yeah, but singles like "The Knoc" and "The Way I Am" isn't exactly brainfood..
It's just some trash talk about who he knows, who he's down with, what he owns, and why people should buy his album..
You gotta have singles like that, and keep the creative shit on the album..
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I think Ice Cube has more potential than even snoop, because he's such a Crossover. If Ice Cube was busy in the studio all the time and all over everything like Snoop is, he'd be bigger. I just don't see the westcoast making any new stars anytime soon, nobody likes us for some reason. Probably all the negative shit associated with it.
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"The Knoc" was hot. But, I'm not feeling "Way I Am," I don't know, I don't see it catching on. Hopefully, for Knoc's sake, I'm wrong.
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I think Suga Free could blow if given enough push. He's getting plenty of spins in LA but I doubt if that's true nationwide.
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naw, Yukmouth would be the best commercial rapper. If he was with Interscope or rocawhettever records, and was exposed to such amount of people, that man would be it! He started it all, he's from Oakland, home of the game so everything fresh, he'll definetely bring to the table and make the whole world feel this westcoast shit!
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if we talk commercial potential i say knocturnal...or roscoe...he had his chance but people slept on it. but scoe has the charisma and skills to blow up.
When he's talkin bout females he ain't just like "I fuck all the hoes and they love my dick" he will say clever and creative and funny shit.
"ladies love me cause i love myself"
;D
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ras kass
commercial means:
doing something to make profit with, and considering u have to pay for his CDs, he is commercial
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bad azz for sure
crooked I though would be another good one..
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I think i'ts gonna be someone we never expected. Prolly some dumbass like a westcoast 50cent. But then i doubt there's an MC as horrible as 50 on the left coast. Anyway, it's gotta be someone who rolls with Lil' John & Eastside Boyz and Nelly, so you KNOW its gonna be GAY!
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Mic The Mos Confident
Seriously He's The Top Battle MC in Cali....He Would Shit On ANYONE In A Battle IMO...He's got what it takes to be big.....and his crew 730squad aint that bad either....
Other than him
Crooked I
Aceyalone
2mex
Sly boogy
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Roscoe will never blow up. if "Smooth sailin" didn't become huge like it should have, nothing coming from him ever will. That song got MAssive airplay, but his album didn't even go gold. he only sold like 20k the first week.
Sly Boogy won't blow up cuz he's too ill lyrically, and he's not fuckin with well known cats at all. The only song he had with well known artists on his album was "California"
Crooked I won't blow up cuz he's on tha Row...duh, and for the same reason as Sly Boogy, he's too ill lyrically.
Ras Kass won't blow up cuz of his controversial content, MTV won't let little white girls hear "Nature of the Threat part II." Even Ras's more user-friendly "Rasassination" didn't sell cuz it was still too controversial. Ras is definitely ill though.
Sugafree won't blow up cuz he sucks.
Hi-C - i dunno, i haven't heard 2 much of his shit. He won't blow up though, he's backed up by Quik, and Quik is DONE after the sister beating
Yukmouth won't blow up cuz even though he's a dope rapper, it seems sometimes that he's tryin' too hard. Plus he gets NO airplay, even out here in LA.
BadAzz might just blow up. He has many similarities with Nas, but he's more real and more raw. U can't really say his train passed, cuz look at Fat Joe, he had a few albums before blowing up. Bad has had 3.
The Game isn't gonna blow up. I'm personally not feeling him too much, but a lot of you seem to be diggin his style. He won't blow up cuz the dumb masses are gonna say "He tries 2 be like 50cent, he's been shot and he talks about guns." Trust me. Plus, the Game brings nothing new 2 the table.
Knoc-turn'al is about the only rapper that can blow up right now. He has dope production, nice lyrics that aren't too complex, and his videos are "Fun." He isnt gettin any TV play though, unfortunately with his new single. But i think he MIGHT just make it if Dre is featured in his next single.
To conclude this all, the westcoast is pretty much dead in it's "commercial" sense. The only ones who are gonna go Gold are Snoop, Dre, and Xzibit. Sucks though. I think maybe if westcoast artists worked with different producers with a fresher sound, or just non-westcoast producers (ex: alchemist, DJ premier, Kanye west) they would definitely move more units. It's an expensive thing 2 do, but the outcome could be great
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Roscoe still has a chance of blowin' up, he's freshhh. ;D
With songs like Nothin' 2 A Boss and Kidnap U, Yukmouth has a chance too, sort of.
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Xzibit, as long as he goes back to raw lyricism, not shit like Symphony in X Major and better beats than Multiply. When he blew up it was because peeps fell in love with his voice, flow and the fact he was spitting dope lyrics over dope beats. I also honestly think Ras Kass could as long as he signs to the right label and gets the right beats and releases the right singles and gets good promotion. The fact he's killed someone might go against him.
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Bad Azz is dope as fuck, and I think he easily fucks wit crook. The type of rapper that bad azz is now is way above the avg music buyer. If he was gonna be a commercial sucess I am sure he would really have to dumb down his lyrics, and just probably have to get some wack production for the radio, and have snoop all over his album. I sure the hell don't want that to happen. I wish bad would go more towards the underground route and hook up with technic, malik, perfec, lil c-style, and da low lifes.
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Knoc'turnal
The Game
but the key is they have to make songs for the clubs and for broads