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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: LyRiCaL_G on January 05, 2004, 05:44:13 PM
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like pac or 50 are white?........now if u think im being real arrogant in sayin this or racist, nigga pleez, i aint cuz i know alot of their fans are white to, and y'all gonna bring that bullshit about how 80% of sales are from white cats n stuff but i aint talkin about that............im jus sayin that i noticed alof ppl who feel rap and dont like pac and 50 are alot of white dudes......like most ppl who felt 50's grodt are black and not many white dudes did from who i know anyways............and same with pac........
is that the same down your endz?
by the way, im black and i aint got no hate against white dudes......of today,lol, aslong as they aint racist ofcourse
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Uh...Every white guy that ain't an underground head, that I know, is in love with 50 and Pac. What the hell are you talking about? I'm like one of the only people who don't like Pac, Big or 50.
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yo thats your opinion.............like i said, alot of white dudes i know aint diggin pac or 50.........so u aint one of the only ppl..........i know alot who jus jumps on cats dicks cuz they be the biggest thing or cuz everyone says they dope so they say it to, but like i noticed that the white dudes i know, only some feel pac n 50..........aint non of em feelin biggy for somereason!
peace
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i gotta agree with SGV on this. the only people i ever see listenin to Pac or 50 are white dudes if they're not underground heads..
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^^its koo i respect y'all opinions......im jus seein what y'all got to say on this........i still say that most cats who dont like 50 n pac to me aint black
peace
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This will sound very racist, but I don't care. I notice that mainly white people are fans of the more "hardcore" styled rappers. This board for example, the majority of the gangsta rap fans on here are white. Not saying the people here, but in general, most white people are trying to learn about the streets and street life through the music, since 9 out of 10 times they've never experienced it.
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I know some wannbe underground dudes who don't like em cuz they think it makes em more of a head if they only like underground emcees or they just don't want to like rappers just for the music if there's not much lyrical skill which they can base their opinions on.. other than that I don't see heads hating on em more than peeps that dunno shit about hiphop
compared to the usa there's not many blacks over here, those that I know are basically into the same acts as whites, I never recognized em hating or showing more love to certain rappers like Pac or 50
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I know some [wannbe underground dudes] who don't like em cuz they think it makes em more of a head if they only like underground emcees or they just don't want to like rappers just for the music if there's not much lyrical skill which they can base their opinions on.. other than that I don't see heads hating on em more than peeps that dunno shit about hiphop
compared to the usa there's not many blacks over here, those that I know are basically into the same acts as whites, I never recognized em hating or showing more love to certain rappers like Pac or 50
wannabe heads was what I wanted to say
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im white, i love underground, and i love mainstream, i hate 50 cent, i love pac.
its not that white people dont like 50 cent...its that anyone who enjoys good lyricism doesnt like 50 cent.
but in the same saying (seeing as we're not being racist)...did you ever notice how you rarely ever see a black guy listening to anything other than hip hop & r&b? i wanna see a black dude rollin in a beat up ass truck bumpin some country man...that shit would be crazy.
ever notice how 90% of mexicans are latino hip hop heads...i dont think i've ever met a mexican who wasnt a latino hip hop head
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most of my friends (black) are into dance/techno music or whatever you call it.. but i have never seen a black person listen to rock music or heavy metal, punk etc.. same sort of concept
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ever notice how 90% of mexicans are latino hip hop heads...i dont think i've ever met a mexican who wasnt a latino hip hop head
I wouldn't say 90%. It depends on the type of Mexican(or Latino) you're dealing with. Cholos aka Gangsters(for those who don't know), usually only like that lame ass gang bang Latin Hip Hop. But, theres the Latinos(Not just Mexicans), like who don't even like that garbage. I know when I go to an Underground show or any show for that matter, Latinos are the majority. And I never go to Chicano Rap shows.
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ever notice how 90% of mexicans are latino hip hop heads...i dont think i've ever met a mexican who wasnt a latino hip hop head
I wouldn't say 90%. It depends on the type of Mexican(or Latino) you're dealing with. Cholos aka Gangsters(for those who don't know), usually only like that lame ass gang bang Latin Hip Hop. But, theres the Latinos(Not just Mexicans), like who don't even like that garbage. I know when I go to an Underground show or any show for that matter, Latinos are the majority. And I never go to Chicano Rap shows.
thats the reason i said mexican and not latino...i know latino's who listen to other stuff...but mainly mexicans are into that wack ass bullshit.
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thats the reason i said mexican and not latino...i know latino's who listen to other stuff...but mainly mexicans are into that wack ass bullshit.
L.A. is overran with Mexicans. They make up the majority of Latinos. So, when I say Latinos, it's to justify my not being Mexican, I'm still talking about Mexicans.
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thats the reason i said mexican and not latino...i know latino's who listen to other stuff...but mainly mexicans are into that wack ass bullshit.
L.A. is overran with Mexicans. They make up the majority of Latinos. So, when I say Latinos, it's to justify my not being Mexican, I'm still talking about Mexicans.
lol i know...that was the other reason i said mexicans...i knew you were latino and you listened to other good shit so i figured it would be stupid to generalize all latinos that way.
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I'm saying, I have a lot of Mexican homies who detest that shit. I'm just saying, 90% was an exaggeration. It's down the middle, I think. At least in L.A.
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Uh...Every white guy that ain't an underground head, that I know, is in love with 50 and Pac. What the hell are you talking about? I'm like one of the only people who don't like Pac, Big or 50.
^yea same here, i actually don't know any1 who is a fan of rap who don't like 2pac cept for this crazy muthafucka i know named Philly Joe... He's fuckin' nutz, u can't even go 2 a party or anywhere wit him cuz he always fightin' wit every1 over dumb shit... some1 @ a party once said that pac was better than biggie, he said biggie was better cuz philly was never a pac fan so then he punches this other dude in the face lol... over that dumb shit... but yea every1 i know who listen 2 rap like's pac and i know mad white boys they all on 50 nutz rockin' there g-unit gear and shit, screamin' out g-unit like some lame groupiez... i'm white btw, im all about underground hiphop thou and the west coast and i'm from the east coast... but nah i really don't know any1 who doesn't like Pac cept for philly... and all the white boys on 50's dick 2... 50 ain't even nice...
~1~
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Hmm...
I'm black, I love Pac's music and hate 50's music.
What does that mean?
I'm not into the underground scene anymore and I haven't been for almost a decade. When I used to go to the underground shows or to open mics or battles and whatnot, all the white boys hated big time on anyone that sold more than a hundred thousand units. People like Ice Cube, Snoop, Dogg Pound, 2pac, etc weren't "real hip hop" according to them. It was the whole backpacker contingent. That attitude annoyed the hell out of me which soured me to the whole underground scene at the time.
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This will sound very racist, but I don't care. I notice that mainly white people are fans of the more "hardcore" styled rappers. This board for example, the majority of the gangsta rap fans on here are white. Not saying the people here, but in general, most white people are trying to learn about the streets and street life through the music, since 9 out of 10 times they've never experienced it.
Yup, you're right. They're rebelling against what they grew up in, because they feel they want to be an individual, and different from their parents and their family and everything they see around them. Not so much that they hate what they are, it's just they want to be different, to be their own person, and not exactly like their dad, or whatever. The extremely, very ironic thing, though, is that by doing this, all they do is act like every other white male who's thinking the same exact thing, and doing the same exact thing! It took me a while to realize I was doing this, then I just kind of relaxed and accepted who I was, and became an individual by being myself. The only thing I rebel against now is rebellion.
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This will sound very racist, but I don't care. I notice that mainly white people are fans of the more "hardcore" styled rappers. This board for example, the majority of the gangsta rap fans on here are white. Not saying the people here, but in general, most white people are trying to learn about the streets and street life through the music, since 9 out of 10 times they've never experienced it.
Yup, you're right. They're rebelling against what they grew up in, because they feel they want to be an individual, and different from their parents and their family and everything they see around them. Not so much that they hate what they are, it's just they want to be different, to be their own person, and not exactly like their dad, or whatever. The extremely, very ironic thing, though, is that by doing this, all they do is act like every other white male who's thinking the same exact thing, and doing the same exact thing! It took me a while to realize I was doing this, then I just kind of relaxed and accepted who I was, and became an individual by being myself. The only thing I rebel against now is rebellion.
that isnt necessarily true. not all white guys want to rebel against the life they know. i love the life i know and i prefer to stay that way. people act like if you arent poverty stricken you can't truely appreciate hip hop. thats possibly the dumbest thing i've ever heard. its all about the music. most of the time when people want to rebel against their parents and whatnot is when they end up wearing black, chains, spikes, tats, etc...
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i wanna see a black dude rollin in a beat up ass truck bumpin some country man...that shit would be crazy.
Well well, let me introduce you to an enigma.
http://www.charleypride.com/
(http://www.charleypride.com/images/cpdolly.jpg)
(with Dolly Parton)
(http://www.charleypride.com/images/cppresreagan.jpg)
(With the Reagans)
(http://www.charleypride.com/images/cpreeves2.jpg)
(http://www.charleypride.com/images/cpprescarter.jpg)
(With Pres. Carter & Willie Nelson)
Charley Pride is one of the most successful country musicians of all time, and he's black, LOL. You GOT to admire this guy, I mean, in the fuckin 50's he was recording, with his big ass black face on the cover of a COUNTRY album, and selling hundreds of thousands of copies. Performed at the Grand Ol Opery, etc, etc. etc. Nothing but accolade after accolade, and the way he tells it, wasn't discriminated against (much) because of his color. I'm sure he had incidents, but on the whole, people have always loved the guy. He had a huge song you might have heard that went "You've got to... Kiss an Angel Good Mornin'" It's on his webpage.
Don't let anybody ever tell you that racism is an insurmountable hill. This motherfucker got inducted into the country music hall of fame (the highest possible honor in Country), won grammies for country songs, is the only black Grand Ol Opery member, was the first black person to play there, etc. etc. etc. list goes on and on. He's got like 40 #1 country hits.
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country was huge back around that time though. nowadays you'll never hear a black dude listening to country and rarely ever rock (w/ the exception of the black dude from sugar ray, and a few other black rock artists)
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I see your point, but I dont really know. I'm white and I'm into Pac but I aint feeling 50. I believe there's no relation between feeling Pac, feeling 50 or being white. You could be white and love em both, love one of them or hate em both. You could be black and hate em both, love one or love both.
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like Luke said:
im white, i love underground, and i (don't) love mainstream, i hate 50 cent, i love pac.
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I'm Asian, and everybody loves me. :)
:P And I used to like 50, but all of his songs sound the same to me these days because of his voice being on the TV or Radio every single day.
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i gotta say that i'm white, and pac is my favorite. i think a lot of white people don't like pac or 50 cuz they don't like rap music in general. but anyone that seems to like rap, ANYONE seems to be into pac. and as for comparisons between 50 and pac, i don't think that 50 and pac should ever be mentioned in the same sentence. i think 50 is garbage....
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its not that white people dont like 50 cent...its that anyone who enjoys good lyricism doesnt like 50 cent.
anyone who claims u can feel the emotions Ja Rule puts in his lyrics should never dare to speak on 'good lyricism'
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No offence, but you can't say you don't like mainstream rap and love 'Pac. Tupac is a commercial rapper. He's been a commercial artist since before he died or even before 'All Eyez On Me' dropped. If I recall, 'Me Against the World' went to Number One in the American charts, as did 'All Eyez On Me' and the Makaveli album. Fair enough, he may be the only commercial rapper you like and some people may consider him 'undergound' because he's generally deeper and more in your face than most of the watered-down garbage heard on radio. However, If you're talking in sales and statistics than 'Pac is most definately mainstream. And I don't consider that a bad thing anyway - this is coming from a 2pac fan.
As for the fact that white people like gangsta rap because they want to experience street life - I'm not sure. I am white and certainly share a preference for 'gangsta rap', although I listen to a lot of hip-hop also, but I don't think that's the reason I like it. I simply like the quality of the music: the expression involved, the instrumentals used, and the obvious personality and charisma of gangsta rappers like Ice Cube, etc. Don't get me wrong though, I'm sure we could all say there is some wack gangsta rap out there. Basically I guess I just like rap music in general. Check this quote from Tupac about being labeled a 'gangsta rapper' (some of y'all may have seen it before - I grabbed it from the Tupac: Ressurrection book ;) )
'When did I ever say I was a gangsta rapper? Is Frank Sinatra a gansta singer? Is Steven Seagal a gansta actor? What is that? That's such a limited term. Marlon Brando ia not a gangsta actor, he's an actor. Axl Rose and them are not gangsta rock and rollers, they're rock and rollers. So I'm a rapper, this is what I do, I'm an artist. And I rap about the oppressed taking back their place. I rap about fighting back. To me, my lyrics and my verses are about struggling and overcoming, you know? Not gangstas. I don't rap about sitting up eating shrimp and shit. I rap about fighting back.' - Tupac Shakur
By the way, reading this thread has made me curious. This question is merely out of curiousity, but would I be right if I said the majority of this board's users are white like myself?
''I'm DPG-Unit connected!'' - Daz Dillinger
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Uh...Every white guy that ain't an underground head, that I know, is in love with 50 and Pac. What the hell are you talking about?
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No offence, but you can't say you don't like mainstream rap and love 'Pac. Tupac is a commercial rapper. He's been a commercial artist since before he died or even before 'All Eyez On Me' dropped. If I recall, 'Me Against the World' went to Number One in the American charts, as did 'All Eyez On Me' and the Makaveli album. Fair enough, he may be the only commercial rapper you like and some people may consider him 'undergound' because he's generally deeper and more in your face than most of the watered-down garbage heard on radio. However, If you're talking in sales and statistics than 'Pac is most definately mainstream. And I don't consider that a bad thing anyway - this is coming from a 2pac fan.
As for the fact that white people like gangsta rap because they want to experience street life - I'm not sure. I am white and certainly share a preference for 'gangsta rap', although I listen to a lot of hip-hop also, but I don't think that's the reason I like it. I simply like the quality of the music: the expression involved, the instrumentals used, and the obvious personality and charisma of gangsta rappers like Ice Cube, etc. Don't get me wrong though, I'm sure we could all say there is some wack gangsta rap out there. Basically I guess I just like rap music in general. Check this quote from Tupac about being labeled a 'gangsta rapper' (some of y'all may have seen it before - I grabbed it from the Tupac: Ressurrection book ;) )
'When did I ever say I was a gangsta rapper? Is Frank Sinatra a gansta singer? Is Steven Seagal a gansta actor? What is that? That's such a limited term. Marlon Brando ia not a gangsta actor, he's an actor. Axl Rose and them are not gangsta rock and rollers, they're rock and rollers. So I'm a rapper, this is what I do, I'm an artist. And I rap about the oppressed taking back their place. I rap about fighting back. To me, my lyrics and my verses are about struggling and overcoming, you know? Not gangstas. I don't rap about sitting up eating shrimp and shit. I rap about fighting back.' - Tupac Shakur
By the way, reading this thread has made me curious. This question is merely out of curiousity, but would I be right if I said the majority of this board's users are white like myself?
''I'm DPG-Unit connected!'' - Daz Dillinger
^i don't have a problem with the mainstream just i ain't feelin' none of that shit right now. being mainstream doesn't necessarily mean that u wack. Pac was mainstream but that's when the mainstream was dope. Now the mainstream is all bullshit...
~1~
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This will sound very racist, but I don't care. I notice that mainly white people are fans of the more "hardcore" styled rappers. This board for example, the majority of the gangsta rap fans on here are white. Not saying the people here, but in general, most white people are trying to learn about the streets and street life through the music, since 9 out of 10 times they've never experienced it.
i think ur stereotyping
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This will sound very racist, but I don't care. I notice that mainly white people are fans of the more "hardcore" styled rappers. This board for example, the majority of the gangsta rap fans on here are white. Not saying the people here, but in general, most white people are trying to learn about the streets and street life through the music, since 9 out of 10 times they've never experienced it.
that is right on the real....i find it funny how alot of times people will be like in the streets people don't like this cat, or black people don't listen to this only white kids, that ain't true though
for the most part in my experience black people more are feeling alot of the music, where most of the white dudes i know will be more into the hardcore shit, and then rock......i really see almost no white dudes listening to nelly, or ja rule
in terms of them trying to learn about the streets, that might be part of it but i think its more just listening to hardcore music (not talking about the wigger white people)
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its not that white people dont like 50 cent...its that anyone who enjoys good lyricism doesnt like 50 cent.
anyone who claims u can feel the emotions Ja Rule puts in his lyrics should never dare to speak on 'good lyricism'
i said nothing about ja rules lyrics other than they were crap...i said i like his music because he puts emotion into his voice. something that rarely happens in hip hop. its pretty tough to put emotion into lyrics dude.
and if you want to know what i think about good lyricism maybe you should learn my actual taste in music first.
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i said nothing about ja rules lyrics other than they were crap...i said i like his music because he puts emotion into his voice. something that rarely happens in hip hop. its pretty tough to put emotion into lyrics dude.
if they're crap then, according to ur logic, u aren't one of the peeps who enjoy good lyricism are u.. otherwise u wouldn't listen to crap ass lyrics, it doesn't matter what u think about emotions in Ja's voice (which is a damn joke but of course u can listen to who-/whatever u want to)cuz u don't know what reasons other people have that makes em listen to 50 (just like ur reason is the "emotion in his voice" in Ja's case).. u seem pretty confused when it comes to this, yet u still should be able to see that nobody's listening to 50 for no outstanding lyrics, therefore u should also be able to see the parallelism between u listening to Ja and others listening to 50.. now if I didn't know u ain't the smartest I'd think this fact should be a good reason for u not to talk shit like "its that anyone who enjoys good lyricism doesnt like 50 cent" but oh well..
and if you want to know what i think about good lyricism maybe you should learn my actual taste in music first.
actually.. i can care less
preventing proud sgv from tryin to 'save' his son again as he amusingly put it in that other thread, I gotta underline that I was just talkin about lyrics + what else could be a reason for being a 'fan' of a lyrically average/weak artist, I still think there's other reaons not to listen to Ja while listening to 50, so no, I'm not doing the same with 50/Ja.. just pointing out that somebody who listens to Ja shouldn't speak on people who listen to artists without 'good lyricism'
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and as for comparisons between 50 and pac, i don't think that 50 and pac should ever be mentioned in the same sentence. i think 50 is garbage....
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i said nothing about ja rules lyrics other than they were crap...i said i like his music because he puts emotion into his voice. something that rarely happens in hip hop. its pretty tough to put emotion into lyrics dude.
if they're crap then, according to ur logic, u aren't one of the peeps who enjoy good lyricism are u.. otherwise u wouldn't listen to crap ass lyrics, it doesn't matter what u think about emotions in Ja's voice (which is a damn joke but of course u can listen to who-/whatever u want to)cuz u don't know what reasons other people have that makes em listen to 50 (just like ur reason is the "emotion in his voice" in Ja's case).. u seem pretty confused when it comes to this, yet u still should be able to see that nobody's listening to 50 for no outstanding lyrics, therefore u should also be able to see the parallelism between u listening to Ja and others listening to 50.. now if I didn't know u ain't the smartest I'd think this fact should be a good reason for u not to talk shit like "its that anyone who enjoys good lyricism doesnt like 50 cent" but oh well..
and if you want to know what i think about good lyricism maybe you should learn my actual taste in music first.
actually.. i can care less
preventing proud sgv from tryin to 'save' his son again as he amusingly put it in that other thread, I gotta underline that I was just talkin about lyrics + what else could be a reason for being a 'fan' of a lyrically average/weak artist, I still think there's other reaons not to listen to Ja while listening to 50, so no, I'm not doing the same with 50/Ja.. just pointing out that somebody who listens to Ja shouldn't speak on people who listen to artists without 'good lyricism'
i said "Enjoy Good Lyricsm"...not only listen to good lyricism. ja rule has one thing over 50. emotion in his voice. if 50 put some emotion into his voice so he atleast had one good thing going for him i would listen to him.
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this post doesnt belong here
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one thing i noticed about pac haters is that a lot of them are foreigners.
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'When did I ever say I was a gangsta rapper? Is Frank Sinatra a gansta singer? Is Steven Seagal a gansta actor? What is that? That's such a limited term. Marlon Brando ia not a gangsta actor, he's an actor. Axl Rose and them are not gangsta rock and rollers, they're rock and rollers. So I'm a rapper, this is what I do, I'm an artist. And I rap about the oppressed taking back their place. I rap about fighting back. To me, my lyrics and my verses are about struggling and overcoming, you know? Not gangstas. I don't rap about sitting up eating shrimp and shit. I rap about fighting back.' - Tupac Shakur
Well... this thread is very interesting. I'm Latino, or Mexican. To seperate the two is like saying theres a difference between German and whites. yeah, not all whites are German, but Germans are still white. Not all Latinos are Mexican, in LA it's hard to tell though, but Mexicans are Latinos. OK, enough of that.
The quote that 'Pac said i think shows his I guess a conscience rapper. Before 1996, most good hip-hop was commercial. Come on, all back packers back then complained about westcoast "gangsta" rap. Snoop, Eazy E, Quik, M.C. Eiht, Ice Cube, Coolio and all of them were gangsta rappers and they were going platnum and doing movies. At the same time, EPMD, Wu Tang Clan, Eric B. & Rakim, Tribe Called Quest, KRS-One and all of them were still going gold or platnum, and they were the ones being played on BET all the time, and they got as much play as the west on Yo MTV Raps, but since the west was so big, they felt they had to show what's real hip-hop. 'Pac was rapping like a conscience rapper at the time, bu so was everyone else, from eastcoast hip-hop to westcoast gangsta rap. But 'Pac never claimed to be a gangsta like the other westcoast artist, he just kept it real to himself. After 1996-1997, when Big and 'Pac dies, it seemed both forms of rap faded out. Instead of having all styles that emerged in 1988's Golden Year, 1997 everyone started going the rout of singles. Every artist that sold, sold with hot singles instead of trying to be creative with there work, and staying true. A platnum formula was made and all big artist followed it. Then 50 came out later, and in DMX style, brought the streets aspect of hip-hop back to the mainstream. DMX had done that earlier, were as artist like Jay-Z and Nas tried going the commercial rout. 50 Cent though, was not selling, so what did he do, he followed the platnum formula. Like everyone else. I can't hate on 50 Cent, his husling to all these white boys, making them buy his music so he could sell. Personally, I like 50's shit, it's hot. I don't hate on commercial. I like both underground and commercial. People hold grudges and try to take sides. Man, it's all for hip-hop. Commercial rap is a faze, like gangsta rap was, like the early party music was. 50 Cent has helped out with rap musics growth, and 'Pac did in the early and mid 90's. Why people hate on either is just dump. Like 'Pac said, just "wake up and scream fuck the world" 'cause no matter what, you'll always have haters. I bet that if 50 never blew, most white boys on this board right now would be talking about 50 Cent needed to blow, 'cause he always disses Ja Rule on mixtapes.
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i said "Enjoy Good Lyricsm"...not only listen to good lyricism
u just pointed out what's false about ur first comment by tryin to prove me wrong, congrats son.. now try to connect ur achievement with what I just said + ur first comment which was "its that anyone who enjoys good lyricism doesnt like 50 cent" and u may realize it.. in case u do I gotta give u props in advance as I only had to explain it twice, in case u don't, don't worry about it homie, just holla back
good luck! :)
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'When did I ever say I was a gangsta rapper? Is Frank Sinatra a gansta singer? Is Steven Seagal a gansta actor? What is that? That's such a limited term. Marlon Brando ia not a gangsta actor, he's an actor. Axl Rose and them are not gangsta rock and rollers, they're rock and rollers. So I'm a rapper, this is what I do, I'm an artist. And I rap about the oppressed taking back their place. I rap about fighting back. To me, my lyrics and my verses are about struggling and overcoming, you know? Not gangstas. I don't rap about sitting up eating shrimp and shit. I rap about fighting back.' - Tupac Shakur
Well... this thread is very interesting. I'm Latino, or Mexican. To seperate the two is like saying theres a difference between German and whites. yeah, not all whites are German, but Germans are still white. Not all Latinos are Mexican, in LA it's hard to tell though, but Mexicans are Latinos. OK, enough of that.
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Dude this is just wrong....you get white, black, asian, brown, whatever country you are from..
...of course not all latinos are mexican as mexico is a country just like columbia, brazil, chilie etc latino encompasses the whole broad sense not the singular...
colours are just colours its the history of that "race" and whats going on today that shapes us...how we choose to behave each as individuals..
pZ
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I don't really notice any deviation between races when it comes to 50 & Pac. Not trying to sound like an anti-racist (like I am) but that's true. Like half and half for both races like either one from my experiences.
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hip-hop's no longer a black thing. It was at one point. But not anymore. Im half white, and i listen to just about everything cept Chingy, who simply sucks no matter what.
EVEN NELLY, had a song i nodded my head to.
If your doing your thing, for money or love, i respect that cuz that person is influencing dozens more.
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i said "Enjoy Good Lyricsm"...not only listen to good lyricism
u just pointed out what's false about ur first comment by tryin to prove me wrong, congrats son.. now try to connect ur achievement with what I just said + ur first comment which was "its that anyone who enjoys good lyricism doesnt like 50 cent" and u may realize it.. in case u do I gotta give u props in advance as I only had to explain it twice, in case u don't, don't worry about it homie, just holla back
good luck! :)
you totally missed my point but whatever
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'When did I ever say I was a gangsta rapper? Is Frank Sinatra a gansta singer? Is Steven Seagal a gansta actor? What is that? That's such a limited term. Marlon Brando ia not a gangsta actor, he's an actor. Axl Rose and them are not gangsta rock and rollers, they're rock and rollers. So I'm a rapper, this is what I do, I'm an artist. And I rap about the oppressed taking back their place. I rap about fighting back. To me, my lyrics and my verses are about struggling and overcoming, you know? Not gangstas. I don't rap about sitting up eating shrimp and shit. I rap about fighting back.' - Tupac Shakur
Well... this thread is very interesting. I'm Latino, or Mexican. To seperate the two is like saying theres a difference between German and whites. yeah, not all whites are German, but Germans are still white. Not all Latinos are Mexican, in LA it's hard to tell though, but Mexicans are Latinos. OK, enough of that.
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Dude this is just wrong....you get white, black, asian, brown, whatever country you are from..
...of course not all latinos are mexican as mexico is a country just like columbia, brazil, chilie etc latino encompasses the whole broad sense not the singular...
colours are just colours its the history of that "race" and whats going on today that shapes us...how we choose to behave each as individuals..
pZ
Ya' know what I mean. I know you talking about people that belong to a country, but people think of a certain nation as a ethnicity. Honestly, I know you might think different, but don't most people outside the U.S. think of Americans being white. So whatever.
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'When did I ever say I was a gangsta rapper? Is Frank Sinatra a gansta singer? Is Steven Seagal a gansta actor? What is that? That's such a limited term. Marlon Brando ia not a gangsta actor, he's an actor. Axl Rose and them are not gangsta rock and rollers, they're rock and rollers. So I'm a rapper, this is what I do, I'm an artist. And I rap about the oppressed taking back their place. I rap about fighting back. To me, my lyrics and my verses are about struggling and overcoming, you know? Not gangstas. I don't rap about sitting up eating shrimp and shit. I rap about fighting back.' - Tupac Shakur
Well... this thread is very interesting. I'm Latino, or Mexican. To seperate the two is like saying theres a difference between German and whites. yeah, not all whites are German, but Germans are still white. Not all Latinos are Mexican, in LA it's hard to tell though, but Mexicans are Latinos. OK, enough of that.
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Dude this is just wrong....you get white, black, asian, brown, whatever country you are from..
...of course not all latinos are mexican as mexico is a country just like columbia, brazil, chilie etc latino encompasses the whole broad sense not the singular...
colours are just colours its the history of that "race" and whats going on today that shapes us...how we choose to behave each as individuals..
pZ
Ya' know what I mean. I know you talking about people that belong to a country, but people think of a certain nation as a ethnicity. Honestly, I know you might think different, but don't most people outside the U.S. think of Americans being white. So whatever.
wow actually i agree with that statment...i mean...i know its diverse everywhere but when i think of a country i generally think of whoever is mainly associated w/ it (ie: mexico=brown, america=white, canada=white, africa=black)...every single one of those places is diverse but m dogg just made me realize that i really dont think about americans as a whole...i mean i do but when i picture an american in my head i picture about a 40 year old white guy in a suit w/ a breifcase on his way to work ya know?
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i said "Enjoy Good Lyricsm"...not only listen to good lyricism
u just pointed out what's false about ur first comment by tryin to prove me wrong, congrats son.. now try to connect ur achievement with what I just said + ur first comment which was "its that anyone who enjoys good lyricism doesnt like 50 cent" and u may realize it.. in case u do I gotta give u props in advance as I only had to explain it twice, in case u don't, don't worry about it homie, just holla back
good luck! :)
you totally missed my point but whatever
there really was nothin to miss.. what u was tryin to say is u didn't say u only listen to good lyricism, so there's nothin wrong with listening to Ja.. now if U woulda understood my point u'd understand that this is still a double standart as on the one hand u claim u do enjoy good lyricism but u still listen to Ja's garbage lyrics for other reasons and on the other hand u claim people who listen to 50 are people who never enjoy good lyricism, just cuz they listen to at least one artist who doesn't spit them.. even though u do exactly the same
seriously though.. I guess u just didn't want to see my point, but if u really didn't understand it yet then u should be a lil worried bout urself..
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i said "Enjoy Good Lyricsm"...not only listen to good lyricism
u just pointed out what's false about ur first comment by tryin to prove me wrong, congrats son.. now try to connect ur achievement with what I just said + ur first comment which was "its that anyone who enjoys good lyricism doesnt like 50 cent" and u may realize it.. in case u do I gotta give u props in advance as I only had to explain it twice, in case u don't, don't worry about it homie, just holla back
good luck! :)
you totally missed my point but whatever
there really was nothin to miss.. what u was tryin to say is u didn't say u only listen to good lyricism, so there's nothin wrong with listening to Ja.. now if U woulda understood my point u'd understand that this is still a double standart as on the one hand u claim u do enjoy good lyricism but u still listen to Ja's garbage lyrics for other reasons and on the other hand u claim people who listen to 50 are people who never enjoy good lyricism, just cuz they listen to at least one artist who doesn't spit them.. even though u do exactly the same
seriously though.. I guess u just didn't want to see my point, but if u really didn't understand it yet then u should be a lil worried bout urself..
you know you're right. that was hipoctrical. now im not saying im gonna listen to 50 since i was being hipocritical because the truth is i listen to ja because he's got heart...50 doesnt have that. if 50 put a little bit of emotion into his garbage lyrics i would respect him about as much as i do ja. (which isnt much)...but 50 has soooooooooooo much talent that he is not using its uncanny.
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Thats because most black people are ignorant when it comes to music...They'll eat up almost any rap song that plays on the radio...PeACe
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Thats because most black people are ignorant when it comes to music...They'll eat up almost any rap song that plays on the radio...PeACe
thats as ignorant a comment as any...
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im white, i love underground, and i love mainstream, i hate 50 cent, i love pac.
its not that white people dont like 50 cent...its that anyone who enjoys good lyricism doesnt like 50 cent.
but in the same saying (seeing as we're not being racist)...did you ever notice how you rarely ever see a black guy listening to anything other than hip hop & r&b? i wanna see a black dude rollin in a beat up ass truck bumpin some country man...that shit would be crazy.
ever notice how 90% of mexicans are latino hip hop heads...i dont think i've ever met a mexican who wasnt a latino hip hop head
i knew two mexicans that loves lincoln park, and all that kind of shit and they hated rap...
also alot of white people here like 2pac, i noticed some people from NY don't give 2pac any respect...also i was reading this magazine's top 500 records of all time....all of biggies cd's and most of jay z's were on the list but no 2pac....the only westcoast on there was dre and NWA
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i know a -white- guy round here who is the biggest 2pac fan ever... i keep saying.. ohh have u heard.. such and such.. and he's all excited.. coz these non internet living fans got nooooooo idea bout all the other shit..lol
like i just posted in another thread.. i didnt used to be a pac fan mostly because of how his fans would always bring him up in threads and be riding dick waaaaaay too hard.. that shits died down a lot in the last 2 years or so. i wouldnt consider myself a huge pac fan, but i do like some of his stuff :)
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Thats because most black people are ignorant when it comes to music...They'll eat up almost any rap song that plays on the radio...PeACe
thats as ignorant a comment as any...
Do you live in LA or in England? I forgot, please remind me...Come down here, and you'll see a bunch of black kids bumping Nelly, bobbing their head, and tryna act gangster...
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Thats because most black people are ignorant when it comes to music...They'll eat up almost any rap song that plays on the radio...PeACe
thats as ignorant a comment as any...
Do you live in LA or in England? I forgot, please remind me...Come down here, and you'll see a bunch of black kids bumping Nelly, bobbing their head, and tryna act gangster...
That sounds like a bunch of white kids in south county. Yes what you said was stupid.
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lol.. i cant believe he just keeps on coming. how dumb!?
let me get this right.. you're on a message board thats about predominantly black music, filled with a massive amount of varying races and cultures.. and u turn around and say most black people basically know shit about music..
i'm just waiting for some 'ignorant to music black person' to read this ;)
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Thats because most black people are ignorant when it comes to music...They'll eat up almost any rap song that plays on the radio...PeACe
thats as ignorant a comment as any...
Do you live in LA or in England? I forgot, please remind me...Come down here, and you'll see a bunch of black kids bumping Nelly, bobbing their head, and tryna act gangster...
this coming from a kid that lives in a $800,000 home, with other kids, black and white in $800,000 homes. Most black kids I knew growing up only liked street shit. DMX, 2Pac, Ice Cube, a grip of Luniz fans, Bone Thugs was highly popular, No Limit got half love half hate. Now when I go back home, it used to be Kurupt got mad love, Dr. Dre, Snoop, Warren G, basically any old school rapper that put out a new CD between 1999-2002. Now I hear hardly anything bumping from CDs, just kind of radio stuff. Westside Connection get lots of play in cars, some eastcoast shit, like Nas's God's Son and 50 Cent's CD, but I rearly heard anything else except Lil' Jon and the Eastside Boys. Street heads don't really like that Nelly and when Ja Rule came to San Bernardino no one went as the area was only half full, only white kids were there, and a grip of hot ass women. I got free tickets 'cause my dad works there so I spend my time picking up on girls. Anyways back to what black people, at least in my part of So Cal, like. Roc-A-Fella has taken the place of No Limit back in the days with half hate half love, and people are just eating that Southern Crunk up. I mean that crunk shit is everywhere. And I'm just mentioning black people, 'cause the eses be bumping more like D.J. Quik, that new Suga Free and any Latino rap they can get. More laid back get high music.
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the fuck!?!? y'all sayin blacks donno shit about music!?!?!? the fuck, y'all of all colours wouldnt be here today if it wernt for us brothers, no matter how many other race cats are on this board today, fact is y'all discussin niggaz and bumpin niggaz..........man the reason eminem dont get much hate from alot of niggaz is cuz he respect the culture and rides with it instead of goin round claimin he owns it n niggaz dono shit...........
man some of y'all make me laugh clamin niggaz dono shit about music.......bitch pleez
peace
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the fuck!?!? y'all sayin blacks donno shit about music!?!?!? the fuck, y'all of all colours wouldnt be here today if it wernt for us brothers, no matter how many other race cats are on this board today, fact is y'all discussin niggaz and bumpin niggaz..........man the reason eminem dont get much hate from alot of niggaz is cuz he respect the culture and rides with it instead of goin round claimin he owns it n niggaz dono shit...........
man some of y'all make me laugh clamin niggaz dono shit about music.......bitch pleez
peace
for a hip-hop board, this place is pretty racist, and pretty conservative. Forgive my dump Jewish friend. He looks up to Jerry Heller for goodness sakes.
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like pac or 50 are white?........now if u think im being real arrogant in sayin this or racist, nigga pleez, i aint cuz i know alot of their fans are white to, and y'all gonna bring that bullshit about how 80% of sales are from white cats n stuff but i aint talkin about that............im jus sayin that i noticed alof ppl who feel rap and dont like pac and 50 are alot of white dudes......like most ppl who felt 50's grodt are black and not many white dudes did from who i know anyways............and same with pac........
is that the same down your endz?
by the way, im black and i aint got no hate against white dudes......of today,lol, aslong as they aint racist ofcourse
umm...i dunno man. Shit, out here...most of 50's fan are all white. But that kinda goes for most Eastcoast rap period. Everybody else stick to westcoast shit for tha most part. U dont see too many people in tha hood down here rollin around bumpin 50 cent lol. Tupac yah....50...no.
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ay cuzz i'm disgusted by this shit fo real,how the fucc niggas gone say niggas in the hood don't bump 50??? niggas stay bumping that shit in the hood bitches be banging it to,some cats play nelly too and they real g's!!!!! unlike most muthafuccas on this board,cuzz stop acting like yall know what the hood bout when most of yall haven't and won't step foot in this muthafucca,and that ain't to all yall,but to most,but cats like 50 got both crowds,and believe me if that nigga ever catch a serious case,the "niggas" gonna be the one supporting cuzz,not the fair weather "other" fans, and what cuzz talking bout blacc people are ignorant when it comes to music,we created this muthafucca,man i swear i don't usually get heated over this net shit,but if cuzz was in my face when he said that shit,i would have beat the shit outta em, on me,on the calm tho,just state that shit as an opinion,yell
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im white, i love underground, and i love mainstream, i hate 50 cent, i love pac.
its not that white people dont like 50 cent...its that anyone who enjoys good lyricism doesnt like 50 cent.
but in the same saying (seeing as we're not being racist)...did you ever notice how you rarely ever see a black guy listening to anything other than hip hop & r&b? i wanna see a black dude rollin in a beat up ass truck bumpin some country man...that shit would be crazy.
ever notice how 90% of mexicans are latino hip hop heads...i dont think i've ever met a mexican who wasnt a latino hip hop head
^^^^ get some real blacc friends homie,and what the fucc you talking bout,most of the people i know,as well as myself listen to different forms of music,ummm when alot of producers and dj's go create diggin,you think they only checc'n for "hip hop and r&b" haha get the fucc outta here,they checc for whatever is dope to them,get real cuzz,and how you gonna comment on the number of latino's that only listen to hip hop???? where you get yo facts from,and i guess you left oldies out all together huh!!!!!!!,and by your comments it seems you haven't met alot of latino's,everybody listens to what they want to listen to,fucc what anybody else say,and as far as some brothers listening to country i listen to some of it,in fact bacc in the day me and homies rolled down the shaw bang'n achy breaky heart by billy ray cyrus,
now im not saying im gonna listen to 50 since i was being hipocritical because the truth is i listen to ja because he's got heart...50 doesnt have that. if 50 put a little bit of emotion into his garbage lyrics i would respect him about as much as i do ja. (which isnt much)...but 50 has soooooooooooo much talent that he is not using its uncanny.
^^^^^ and how you know 50 don't have heart? you met him? these guys are in the entertainment business,he's entertaining folks,maybe not you but thats what he is doing,you don't know how cuzz is outta the spotlight 1
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ay cuzz i'm disgusted by this shit fo real,how the fucc niggas gone say niggas in the hood don't bump 50??? niggas stay bumping that shit in the hood bitches be banging it to,some cats play nelly too and they real g's!!!!! unlike most muthafuccas on this board,cuzz stop acting like yall know what the hood bout when most of yall haven't and won't step foot in this muthafucca,and that ain't to all yall,but to most,but cats like 50 got both crowds,and believe me if that nigga ever catch a serious case,the "niggas" gonna be the one supporting cuzz,not the fair weather "other" fans, and what cuzz talking bout blacc people are ignorant when it comes to music,we created this muthafucca,man i swear i don't usually get heated over this net shit,but if cuzz was in my face when he said that shit,i would have beat the shit outta em, on me,on the calm tho,just state that shit as an opinion,yell
LOL! I dunno whea u from "cuz", but down hea it aint that way. Maybe where u frum 50cent is huge in the hood. But down here, it aint even that way. More local artist get play in tha hood then 50 would. Like i said, its that way wit most eastcoast artist period here. U go to a Jay-Z, 50 Cent concert..anything like that, its 90% white people. When 50 came tah Daygo...he went out n performed at UCSD...in probably the richest neighborhood, and whitest school in San Diego. He's not stupid...he knows where his audience is.
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stop acting like niggas don't bang 50 shit,you gotta be stupid to think niggas don't bang 50 in the hood,i'm in south central six-o california to be exact,and when 50 dropped niggas stayed bangin that shit,and they bang g-unit now,niggas acting like 50 is clay aikens in shit haha,and of course he gonna perform at the white spots,his fucc'n label is booking them joints and they gonna do they best to protect they investment,but that doesn't mean the hood don't bump 50 cuzz
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stop acting like niggas don't bang 50 shit,you gotta be stupid to think niggas don't bang 50 in the hood,i'm in south central six-o california to be exact,and when 50 dropped niggas stayed bangin that shit,and they bang g-unit now,niggas acting like 50 is clay aikens in shit haha,and of course he gonna perform at the white spots,his fucc'n label is booking them joints and they gonna do they best to protect they investment,but that doesn't mean the hood don't bump 50 cuzz
lol if his label books his gigs...they book them where they know the fans will be. Like i said...i cant speak for LA, but id be surprised if itz that much different frum here. But u dont hear 50 being played throughout tha hood here. Local artists get more love then him in the hood. He gets play on the radio, but i dont know too many muthafuckaz that support our radio. If u eva came to a concert down hea...ud see what i mean. 50cent...Hard Knock Life Tour...Nelly...90% white crowds. E-40, Kurupt, Snoop, etc....mostly minority crowd.
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All I know is the hoods in the IE are playing that crunks shit. San Bernardino, Rialto, Fontana... crunk is it right now. Funny 'cause No Limit wasn't. 50 was getting played this summer, not really in the winter though. We move on fast. And DayGo, this summer when I went to SD, all I heard was 50 and Nas, just like San Bernardino/Riverside. I don't know about know, and maybe it's the part of SD I was in? Who knows?
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^^^^^ real shit cause be honest you ain't everywhere in sd all the time cuzz,i know some muthafuccas in sd and they play 50 all the damn time,and shit they play local shit in la alot,thats a given,and trust me if e-40 and them cats played at larger venues and had the marketing 50 had they would be playing at majority white crowds also
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All I know is the hoods in the IE are playing that crunks shit. San Bernardino, Rialto, Fontana... crunk is it right now. Funny 'cause No Limit wasn't. 50 was getting played this summer, not really in the winter though. We move on fast. And DayGo, this summer when I went to SD, all I heard was 50 and Nas, just like San Bernardino/Riverside. I don't know about know, and maybe it's the part of SD I was in? Who knows?
i aint sayin nobody here is playin it, im sayin...ANYtime ive EVA been in tha hood here...i NEVER here 50 cent from anyone. And nobody i know bumps the shit. ONLY people who play that...OR that down south shit out hea, are white people...and females, period. Cept for occassional outta towners.
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lol@claimin niggaz dont bump 50.......man everyone in the summer from the hood was bumpin in da club and shit, pac still gets played the most though even tho homie chillin
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Thats because most black people are ignorant when it comes to music...They'll eat up almost any rap song that plays on the radio...PeACe
thats as ignorant a comment as any...
Do you live in LA or in England? I forgot, please remind me...Come down here, and you'll see a bunch of black kids bumping Nelly, bobbing their head, and tryna act gangster...
this coming from a kid that lives in a $800,000 home, with other kids, black and white in $800,000 homes. Most black kids I knew growing up only liked street shit. DMX, 2Pac, Ice Cube, a grip of Luniz fans, Bone Thugs was highly popular, No Limit got half love half hate. Now when I go back home, it used to be Kurupt got mad love, Dr. Dre, Snoop, Warren G, basically any old school rapper that put out a new CD between 1999-2002. Now I hear hardly anything bumping from CDs, just kind of radio stuff. Westside Connection get lots of play in cars, some eastcoast shit, like Nas's God's Son and 50 Cent's CD, but I rearly heard anything else except Lil' Jon and the Eastside Boys. Street heads don't really like that Nelly and when Ja Rule came to San Bernardino no one went as the area was only half full, only white kids were there, and a grip of hot ass women. I got free tickets 'cause my dad works there so I spend my time picking up on girls. Anyways back to what black people, at least in my part of So Cal, like. Roc-A-Fella has taken the place of No Limit back in the days with half hate half love, and people are just eating that Southern Crunk up. I mean that crunk shit is everywhere. And I'm just mentioning black people, 'cause the eses be bumping more like D.J. Quik, that new Suga Free and any Latino rap they can get. More laid back get high music.
First off, where the hell did you get the idea that I live in an 800,000$ home? Because you keep mentioning it...LMAO...Second off, I go to a school in LA that is as ghetto as they get...It doesn't really matter if you got money or not here in LA, cuz if you're not going to a private school, your school isn't going to be exactly white...
I just stated my opinion...Nowadays, most of these black kids don't know shit about real Hip-Hop...That's why we got people like Chingy coming out...Any rap that comes on the radio is gunna be popular with most of todays black crowd...Don't believe me though...PeACe