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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: italianguy on January 23, 2004, 03:08:45 PM
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let tell you something, I love this forum, I love west coast rap and I respect Snoop: so many people in this Forum diss Snoop dogg as he was a bitch.
Let me tell you something: probably he changed during the years but he is the only one on the west to be internationally known (even here in Italy). Probably he has been fair with tray dee but the eastside rapper cannot talking shit about the doggfather because in 1992 the one who was making the Chronic shining was Snoop himself and not mr tray dee. Probably Snoop went wrong when he called the Neptuns but .... why not ??? Do neptunes produce shit? Remember that dr. dre produced for Mary j Blige? Snoop went wrong rapping with east coast rappers? Please .... wouldn't you rap with jay z? Do you want another east coast westa coas war ?
Remember also that Pac used to have respect for Snoop... in an interview he said that he would have open a restaurant with snoop after there Rap career.
Do you want Snoop gangbanging in long beach? I don't think he need to do it...he got milion to spend and to enjoy ....why he should be a gangsta? Do you remember he had a trial for murder? He has been a gangsta but....he is a smart man man now.
Suge want to kill him .... suge got to solve his problems before talking shit: how can we love tha row without a fucking album to buy? Please.....
I GOT RESPECT FOR ADIDAS......peace homie
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I got love 4 BIG Snoop Dogg!!!!
That'z alot of Bomb azz muzic right there...
Welcome 2 the forum!!!
Hatesrats 2oooIV
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no snoop no west coast rap....
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no snoop no west coast rap....
That's kinda stretching it homie..
WEST was here before and the WEST will be here after.
Like a president of it tho..(in term's)
yeah I agree Snoop's prob in office right now.
(a couple of stadout's) Former president's:
Eazy-E
Ice Cube
Too $hort
2Pac
ect....lol
Hatesrats 2oooIV
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without snoop theres still westcoast rap and wtf is he claiming
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I feel you, Snoop is one of the greatest rappers to ever step on the scene people be hatin on snoop where I'm from, picture the rap game without Snoop
D.P.G.C. 2004
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Dickryding and worshipping (two things you're getting accused of when you stick up with Snoop) he doesn't deserve half or even three quarters of what people say about him.
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let tell you something, I love this forum, I love west coast rap and I respect Snoop: so many people in this Forum diss Snoop dogg as he was a bitch.
Let me tell you something: probably he changed during the years but he is the only one on the west to be internationally known (even here in Italy). Probably he has been fair with tray dee but the eastside rapper cannot talking shit about the doggfather because in 1992 the one who was making the Chronic shining was Snoop himself and not mr tray dee. Probably Snoop went wrong when he called the Neptuns but .... why not ??? Do neptunes produce shit? Remember that dr. dre produced for Mary j Blige? Snoop went wrong rapping with east coast rappers? Please .... wouldn't you rap with jay z? Do you want another east coast westa coas war ?
Remember also that Pac used to have respect for Snoop... in an interview he said that he would have open a restaurant with snoop after there Rap career.
Do you want Snoop gangbanging in long beach? I don't think he need to do it...he got milion to spend and to enjoy ....why he should be a gangsta? Do you remember he had a trial for murder? He has been a gangsta but....he is a smart man man now.
Suge want to kill him .... suge got to solve his problems before talking shit: how can we love tha row without a fucking album to buy? Please.....
I GOT RESPECT FOR ADIDAS......peace homie
Amen.
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let tell you something, I love this forum, I love west coast rap and I respect Snoop: so many people in this Forum diss Snoop dogg as he was a bitch.
Let me tell you something: probably he changed during the years but he is the only one on the west to be internationally known (even here in Italy). Probably he has been fair with tray dee but the eastside rapper cannot talking shit about the doggfather because in 1992 the one who was making the Chronic shining was Snoop himself and not mr tray dee. Probably Snoop went wrong when he called the Neptuns but .... why not ??? Do neptunes produce shit? Remember that dr. dre produced for Mary j Blige? Snoop went wrong rapping with east coast rappers? Please .... wouldn't you rap with jay z? Do you want another east coast westa coas war ?
Remember also that Pac used to have respect for Snoop... in an interview he said that he would have open a restaurant with snoop after there Rap career.
Do you want Snoop gangbanging in long beach? I don't think he need to do it...he got milion to spend and to enjoy ....why he should be a gangsta? Do you remember he had a trial for murder? He has been a gangsta but....he is a smart man man now.
Suge want to kill him .... suge got to solve his problems before talking shit: how can we love tha row without a fucking album to buy? Please.....
I GOT RESPECT FOR ADIDAS......peace homie
Who gives a fuckin shit about all that ^^^^ that you just posted? I don't. I could care less if snoop was gangbanging, or if he had a restaurant or what pac thought of him, or if he went to trial for murder. I don't like snoop for snoops personal life. I like Snoop because of music he has done. in 92-95 snoop was a near untouchable classic fucking rapper. I luv doggystyle and the chronic. And doggfather is even a pretty damn good album, and Top Dogg is not half bad. But just because snoop was so good at the begining of his career does not make up for the mistakes that he has made in the rap game, and for putting out crappy music. I think at least 75% of the music snoop puts out these days is crap. And its not even always him. Sometimes it is the beat, and sometimes it is the wack guests. Bottom line is, all I care about is the music snoop puts out, and most the time nowadays he just puts out crap, but he does let a heater slip in there every once in a while.
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he is the only one on the west to be internationally known (even here in Italy).
??? ever heard of a guy named 2pac? he's probably the most known rapper in da world.
snoop dosen't deserve any props..all he does is make bunch of bullshit songs these days...he fell the fuck off..now he wants to make an album with p.diddy...the fuck happen to snoop?...
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he is the only one on the west to be internationally known (even here in Italy).
The fact that my moma likes Beautiful doesnt mean Snoop is the only known rapper here in Italy, man! Wake up! 2Pac, remember that guy? Dr. Dre, remember that guy? Ice Cube, remember that guy? Dont tell me they aint as famous as Snoop here in Italy. Just to name a few! It's ok to defend Snoop, it's all good. But dont BS pls.
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...but i do kinda feel u on that, snoop gets alot of disrespect he don't deserve
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let tell you something, I love this forum, I love west coast rap and I respect Snoop: so many people in this Forum diss Snoop dogg as he was a bitch.
Let me tell you something: probably he changed during the years but he is the only one on the west to be internationally known (even here in Italy). Probably he has been fair with tray dee but the eastside rapper cannot talking shit about the doggfather because in 1992 the one who was making the Chronic shining was Snoop himself and not mr tray dee. Probably Snoop went wrong when he called the Neptuns but .... why not ??? Do neptunes produce shit? Remember that dr. dre produced for Mary j Blige? Snoop went wrong rapping with east coast rappers? Please .... wouldn't you rap with jay z? Do you want another east coast westa coas war ?
Remember also that Pac used to have respect for Snoop... in an interview he said that he would have open a restaurant with snoop after there Rap career.
Do you want Snoop gangbanging in long beach? I don't think he need to do it...he got milion to spend and to enjoy ....why he should be a gangsta? Do you remember he had a trial for murder? He has been a gangsta but....he is a smart man man now.
Suge want to kill him .... suge got to solve his problems before talking shit: how can we love tha row without a fucking album to buy? Please.....
I GOT RESPECT FOR ADIDAS......peace homie
Who gives a fuckin shit about all that ^^^^ that you just posted? I don't. I could care less if snoop was gangbanging, or if he had a restaurant or what pac thought of him, or if he went to trial for murder. I don't like snoop for snoops personal life. I like Snoop because of music he has done. in 92-95 snoop was a near untouchable classic fucking rapper. I luv doggystyle and the chronic. And doggfather is even a pretty damn good album, and Top Dogg is not half bad. But just because snoop was so good at the begining of his career does not make up for the mistakes that he has made in the rap game, and for putting out crappy music. I think at least 75% of the music snoop puts out these days is crap. And its not even always him. Sometimes it is the beat, and sometimes it is the wack guests. Bottom line is, all I care about is the music snoop puts out, and most the time nowadays he just puts out crap, but he does let a heater slip in there every once in a while.
^True^ at the end of the day it's about the music u got niggas like pharrell puttin these recycled beats on tracks because it became the thing to do likewise snoop looked to Pharrell to make a pop album "Beautiful" I think was a decent song to get girls with but was one of the worst moves I've seen from snoop other than Doggy Fizzle whateverizzle. Bottom line his music is becoming shit :'(
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I'm a snoop fan. A big one, but he has fallen off in the past few years. That doggy fizzle show is funny 40% of the time. Those Dave Chapelle pictures remind me of how great a comedy show can be. Snoop shoulda did a joint show with him. Snoop can be funny with the right direction. And Chapelle is one funny muthafucka.
What snoop needs to do is give the fans what they want. It's like he's got deaf ears on fans opinions. He owes it to the fans to bring it proper. No more of this commericial bullshit.
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great post...................................
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i used to be the biggest snoop fan but,....
Bottom line his music is becoming shit
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I GOT RESPECT FOR ADIDAS
glad to hear lolol 8)
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Probably some people don't like his latest music efforts but who's from the west coast got so much success in his latest records??? only pac dre and the dogg....that's it. The problem is that together with dre an cube tha doggfather is still the number one of the west for success
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just to remember a little episode....snoop is the one who kicked lil c style ass after he did the song on too gangsta for radio. Know lil c came back home ondaz house to release his album
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One of the main things I feel that Snoop gets accused of is being greedy, and he gets a lot of disrespect for that. A lot of people were really dissing Snoop hard after that Allhiphop interview with Tray Deee where he made them claims over Snoop not paying him right, but we don't know what went on behind the scenes with all that. People jumped on Tray Deee and started defending him without even hearing Snoop's side of the story. MAYBE Tray wanted more than a three-way cut of the profits - who knows?
Then there are all the people who dissed Snoop for the disapperance of the 213 project and people were hating on him for this from the start. Okay, getting the Neptunes on the 213 CD instantly equals a big mistake in most people's eyes (including my own) but put that into perspective. The Neptunes, like them or not, make hit records and if they can make a hit record for Warren G and Nate Dogg (and Snoop) isn't that a good thing? Okay, so its not the Dre beats we all want but it would be giving the West some major shine (worked for 'Beautiful') and it could really help the solo careers of Warren and Nate to be part of such a big and successful project. In that respect, he's only trying to do good for 213 - fuck those who say Snoop only cares about sales. Not only does he have enough money already, but Snoop does appearances for rappers who will probably never reach gold status in their careers. Plus he helps a bunch of young up-and-comers get into the game like the talented E-White.
As for Kronik of the DPG Gangstaville forum who posted some shit about 213 not dropping because all those involved have too big ego's, that just seems like more BS. Snoop is Warren's closest homie in the world, pick up his book 'Tha Doggfather' and read it for yourself. He says that Warren knows more about him than his wife does. In fact, that book is a really worthwhile read if you want to see thing's from his perspective. f the album doesn't drop its probably because the trio wanted to release nothing but a classic and simply couldn't attain that.
Bottom line is that Snoop is like any other human being: he makes mistakes and isn't perfect. Yes, you could argue that his music ain't the same as it was and I wouldn't disagree and he could be looked at as a fake gangsta. So what? How can you expect a millionaire celebritywith an image to protect to still be out popping guns? I'm surprised he's still down to earth when you consider that he is still gang connected. Snoop Dogg ain't flawless, but he doesn't deserve all the criticism that he gets...
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Probably some people don't like his latest music efforts but who's from the west coast got so much success in his latest records??? only pac dre and the dogg....that's it. The problem is that together with dre an cube tha doggfather is still the number one of the west for success
Man that's the biggest problem! Cube, Snoop and Dre aint repping the West! I dont give a **** if they throw the dubb with the hands or if they repp Cali in their songs... they aint giving it back to Cali rappers! Dre is basically working with non-Cali rappers and he didnt help Snoop when he fell off, and he didnt help Daz/Kurupt producing them other albums. Snoop didnt help Daz/Kurupt/Warren G, and he fell off. Cube didnt help Da Lench Mob and he never raised/launched a young Cali rapper... They are doing it all for themselves.
If you bigger than the others, help the others (that's REAL Cali Love). If you dont do it, you aint showing Cali Love. You are just "using" Cali to still act "hardcore" and to controll everything.
My opinion.
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You're an idiot. Without Snoop, the West would still be around. Probably would be stronger. Snoop WAS NOT here before King Tee, Quik, Eiht, Spade, Toddy Tee, Ice-T, Cube, Dre, Eazy, Ren, Yella, Short, 40, Ant Banks, etc. those are the pioneers, NOT Snoop.
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You're an idiot. Without Snoop, the West would still be around. Probably would be stronger. Snoop WAS NOT here before King Tee, Quik, Eiht, Spade, Toddy Tee, Ice-T, Cube, Dre, Eazy, Ren, Yella, Short, 40, Ant Banks, etc. those are the pioneers, NOT Snoop.
Sure those guys were around before Snoop, but other than Dre, Snoop has done more for his coast than anyone else on that list IMO...So ya, Snoop is a pioneer in a sense.
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Sure those guys were around before Snoop, but other than Dre, Snoop has done more for his coast than anyone else on that list IMO...So ya, Snoop is a pioneer in a sense.
Fuck outta here. Ice-T? He didn't do nothing for the Coast? He created the style that Dre, Cube, Snoop and the rest all use. Cube didn't do more than Snoop? Fuck outta here, again. From Eazy Duz It, Straight Outta Compton, Amerikkkas Most to Bow Down, Cube has done MUCH more than Snoop. You can say the same for Ren, D.O.C., Too Short & E-40(They opened the door for the entire Bay, Snoop didn't do shit close to that). They all did way more than Snoop. Only thing Snoop did was bring West Coast Hip Hop into the mainstream.
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Sure those guys were around before Snoop, but other than Dre, Snoop has done more for his coast than anyone else on that list IMO...So ya, Snoop is a pioneer in a sense.
Fuck outta here. Ice-T? He didn't do nothing for the Coast? He created the style that Dre, Cube, Snoop and the rest all use. Cube didn't do more than Snoop? Fuck outta here, again. From Eazy Duz It, Straight Outta Compton, Amerikkkas Most to Bow Down, Cube has done MUCH more than Snoop. You can say the same for Ren, D.O.C., Too Short & E-40(They opened the door for the entire Bay, Snoop didn't do shit close to that). They all did way more than Snoop. Only thing Snoop did was bring West Coast Hip Hop into the mainstream.
OK I understand your opinion man, I know what your saying....But youre acting like its nothing what Snoop did....That muthafucker made people wanna be down for the westcoast and brought it into the limelight...And with the release of one fucking album, he made people interested in hearing alot of other shit for the westcoast...I never listened to IceT and E40 and shit, Im not gonna lie....When I heard Snoop Doggy Dogg, It made me wanna check NWA and The Chronic and tons of other shit...I was in grade 3 or 4 at the time, so obviously when I was in grade 2 I wasnt gona be checking for E40 and King Tee albums. Plus Snoop opened the doors for Warren, Nate, Bad Azz, Tha Eastsidaz, E White, Soopafly, Daz, Kurupt and more....Who the fuck did Cube and Too Short bring in the game? Or Mc Ren? They made some dope albums, but now, they aint doin much and they didnt do as much for the coast IMO...But to each his own homie. ;)
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OK I understand your opinion man, I know what your saying....But youre acting like its nothing what Snoop did....That muthafucker made people wanna be down for the westcoast and brought it into the limelight...And with the release of one fucking album, he made people interested in hearing alot of other shit for the westcoast...
Snoop did "a lot" in the sense that he made the West more popular and commercially accepted. But that's it. He didn't bring anything new to the table. Gangsta tales? Had been done. Pimpin'? Been done. Posse cuts? Been done. Doggystyle was The Chronic part 2.
I never listened to IceT and E40 and shit, Im not gonna lie....When I heard Snoop Doggy Dogg, It made me wanna check NWA and The Chronic and tons of other shit...I was in grade 3 or 4 at the time, so obviously when I was in grade 2 I wasnt gona be checking for E40 and King Tee albums.
That's due to your age. I think we're like the same age, but I checked all those cats before and after Snoop.
Plus Snoop opened the doors for Warren, Nate, Bad Azz, Tha Eastsidaz, E White, Soopafly, Daz, Kurupt and more....Who the fuck did Cube and Too Short bring in the game? Or Mc Ren?
Short was the ambassador of the Bay. He basically brought the whole Bay into the game. That's not doing much? LOL. Cube and Ren(since they did most of the writing) had a lot to do with N.W.A.'s success. Cube also brought in J.Dee, Kam, Kaution, Mack 10, Short Khop, and he influenced pretty much the entire West Coast. You're right, he didn't do shit.
They made some dope albums, but now, they aint doin much and they didnt do as much for the coast IMO...But to each his own homie. ;)
They been in the game since the 80s, they've fell off. Snoop's been in the game since the 90s and he's already fell off. What is he doing for the Coast right now? Dropping garbage mixtapes?
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Italyguy is that it?4 real man i really feel u.well maybe i do b'coz am form Africa.Snoop to me is far from falling off,he just need to be on the rigth track,with the rigth productions,'coz for me he still flows well.
Okay he's working with neptunes,that's where a lot of guys need to know that he's just a normal guy (not an alien or hero).he chose to work with neptunes and he made use of it well.remember when he hooked up with battlecat he used him well,same foe meech wells ,fredwreck,jelly roll.I think d guys is like if u wanna work with me lets do it but the botttom line that we need to realise is dre is not ready to be producing for snoop constatanly,(Why?I don't know).
But the truth is most of his last tracks is not good as b4 mostly b'coz of production not his flow to me.
But fuck it if u say snoop didint do anything for the west,apart from the producers i listed above,fans around the world get to know,tray dee,goldie,e-white,butch cassidy,daz,kurupt,lady of rage,doggy's angels,kokane and so many other west coast artist that they will never have heard of.
Some niggaz in my hood that's down with eastcoast use to tell me Snoop's record label is never gonna blow up b'cos he's only puttin long beach and other westcoaster on instead of searching for raw talents.
But ya'll migth hate now but he's gonna come back soon with some hot stuff.Peace.WHATSUP LAYLOW213?Thanks for the hookup.
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fans around the world get to know,tray dee,goldie,e-white,butch cassidy,daz,kurupt,lady of rage,doggy's angels,kokane and so many other west coast artist that they will never have heard of.
Actually, people got to hear Daz, Kurupt and Rage on The Chronic. Dre's album. So, don't credit Snoop for breaking them, though he brough Daz and Kurupt along with him. Koke was known before Snoop.
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Snoop to me is far from falling off,he just need to be on the rigth track,with the rigth productions,'coz for me he still flows well.
word up, thats still tha main thang about Snoop. I started listening to Snoop back in 1994 and I still feel his music. I dont really care about what he claims, what he is doin for da coast, if he is a snitch, if he is this or is he doing that, bla bla bla. Fuck all dat bullshit, for the music counts and its still real good music. I like his last album, he still got flow, sure he is using much eastcoast influence on that disc, but for me its ok, I got luv for both kinda music stylez. Í can understand West Coast peeps not likin the last album, cause it aint g-funk gangsta rap music like back in the days anymore, but its still quality rap music IMO. And all that bullshittin is pointless and fuckin lame. But thats just my opinion.
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Snoop to me is far from falling off,he just need to be on the rigth track,with the rigth productions,'coz for me he still flows well.
word up, thats still tha main thang about Snoop. I started listening to Snoop back in 1994 and I still feel his music. I dont really care about what he claims, what he is doin for da coast, if he is a snitch, if he is this or is he doing that, bla bla bla. Fuck all dat bullshit, for the music counts and its still real good music. I like his last album, he still got flow, sure he is using much eastcoast influence on that disc, but for me its ok, I got luv for both kinda music stylez. Í can understand West Coast peeps not likin the last album, cause it aint g-funk gangsta rap music like back in the days anymore, but its still quality rap music IMO. And all that bullshittin is pointless and fuckin lame. But thats just my opinion.
Mine is different. Snoop Doggy Dogg (note the Doggy) was the best rapper alive till 1995. He had sooooo much style, he rapped that gangsta shit like nobody did, he had the best commercial videos, the best commercial tracks, he always came tight. He was just perfect. From 1995 he started to do mistakes. It's not only cause he left Death Row. But he left his homies. The OG Chronic crew. The gangsta mentality of Death Row. The WONDERFUL promotion (yeah, wonderful) of Suge's label. He started to loose street cred when he moved to No Limit. For sure he did the best thing for his life and his family, but he lost that street cred when he did Da Game Is To Be Sold, Not To Be Told. Just horrible, ImO. From that moment, he totally changed. He quitted the real RAW hardcore gangsta shit (well let's say the OG Chronic crew and Suge's Death Row helped him having a gangsta image), he started the pimp shit, he changed his style, changed his flow, changed his voice (too much weed, i guess), changed beats, first No Limit beats, then East Coast beats.. He stopped working with Dre, he started a record label with Eastsidaz forgetting about Kurupt/Daz/Warren G (dont get me wrong: i luv Eastsidaz), he forgot about Nate & Lil Half Dead and he worked with Butch and Kokane (got love for them 2 too), he made albums TOO MUCH different from Doggystyle and Chronic. To me not all his OG fans liked/likes this change. What we have now? Snoop all over TV, in porno DVD, in 50 Cent's P.I.M.P. video dressing gay, acting gay (c'mon, i dont like when he does Mr.Pimp, he's just gay/horrible, ImO), or Mista SuperCrip. He replied to Suge Knight in 2003, after 7 years of silence. He has done a lot of mistakes. And 213 albums is done!
Yes, he needs to fuck again with real talented people, and to focusing on quality shit. He's not gone forever, but he's going in the wrong direction, ImO. He still got a great great chance to come back on the throne of the WC, simply cause there's nobody who's doing better things than him! So Snoop stop playing that gay shit, focus on quality shit, do quality shit! Move your ass!!
I just cant believe how is it possible in the same album/mixtape/compila to have a track just HORRIBLE by Snoop and the next one very very good. WTF? From HORRIBLE to VERY VERY GOOD? If we make a 2003 Greatest Hits by Snoop there's still a lot of quality shit, but his problem is that for every good track he's making there are 5 horribles. ImO.
He needs to:
1. Quit that Pimp/SupaCrip shit
2. Fuck again with DPGC
3. Make more quality music and less music in general.
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Plus Snoop opened the doors for Warren, Nate, Bad Azz, Tha Eastsidaz, E White, Soopafly, Daz, Kurupt and more....
nah, warren opened the gate for snoop and nate.
if it wasnt for warren , then snoop would not be in the game.
even when above the law were hookin up with snoop before dre,.... that was warren's connection, coz he was kickin it with them ages ago.
snoop can thank warrenfor gettin him in the game
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Def.
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Who gives a fuckin shit about all that ^^^^ that you just posted? I don't. I could care less if snoop was gangbanging, or if he had a restaurant or what pac thought of him, or if he went to trial for murder. I don't like snoop for snoops personal life. I like Snoop because of music he has done. in 92-95 snoop was a near untouchable classic fucking rapper. I luv doggystyle and the chronic. And doggfather is even a pretty damn good album, and Top Dogg is not half bad. But just because snoop was so good at the begining of his career does not make up for the mistakes that he has made in the rap game, and for putting out crappy music. I think at least 75% of the music snoop puts out these days is crap. And its not even always him. Sometimes it is the beat, and sometimes it is the wack guests. Bottom line is, all I care about is the music snoop puts out, and most the time nowadays he just puts out crap, but he does let a heater slip in there every once in a while.
thx man u just saved me from having to type all that myself.
lol @ italianguy comparing dre's collabos to snoop's. kid rock, limp bizkit, chingy (snoop prolly never even heard of him before chingy stuffed those dollar bills in his mouth. lol)
peace
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I agree with DPG2K and Represent. 8)