West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Big BpG on February 11, 2004, 09:32:24 AM
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It all started in december of 1992. Nuthin But A G Thang was released on the radio, and the video premiered on MTV for the first time. 11 years and two months later, we sit here wondering...
"will the westcoast ever make a big effect again?"
The westcoast rap era in my mind is really between 1992-1994 ... for some, the years extend to 1996, but with the signing of 2pac, music became less of the focus. When deathrow made its scene, it was from Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, Warren G, Nate Dogg, Daz, Kurupt, RBX, Lady Of Rage, The D.O.C. , a bunch of youg kids/friends trying to make a dream for each other... it was all about them. Then 2pac came and the attention shifted to him and him only. Suge and 2pac were like best butt buddies. The empire that started with all these young cali kids soon crumbled with the arrival 2pac. From there, Deathrow just added fuel to the whole west/east war and we know the rest... we never recovered from that.
In 1999 they tried it again. Dr Dre, Snoop Dogg, Warren G, Nate Dogg, Kurupt... all the OG's were back with new arrivals Xzibit, Knoc, Kokane... you could feel the arrival of these new artists ready to get their chance... but once again... it all crumbled.
I'm not a 2pac fan, I've never felt his music like the millions who do. I don't hate him or anything, his music just didn't get me like the other stuff The whole dogg pound was putting out... in fact, when I think about the westcoast, I dont even think of 2pac.
I ask you guys... how would the westcoast be today if 2pac never came over
-BpG
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I kind of agree with what your saying. After Pac got shot for the first time, it wasnt even about westcoast music anymore...I think the thing was, that Suge/Pac both wanted the attention, and the attention they got had nothing to do with music. It really put a damper on things, especially for guys like Snoop, Warren and Dre who wanted nothing to do with all the bullshit surrounding them at the time.
Just my opinion tho.....But I see exatly what your saying BPG , good post.
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2Pac's death started the decline of West Coast hip hop.
People would of eventually got tired of the Death Row sound and style regardless, but with Pac's death it seemed like the WHOLE West Coast (much more than just death row) lost its fire. Pac was representing for the Bay, for LA, the whole state and whole coast. Plus he was bigger than just death row or just the West, he was probably the biggest name in rap at the time.
If you don't even think of Pac when you think of West Coast rap music then you must be a complete idiot.
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i kinda agree..
nah 2pac put a negative view of the west coast in the media before he died. stigma from that is part of what has kept the west down.
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Well, I'm a huge Pac fan, but let me tell you: I agree with you.
You're right: once Pac signed it wasn't about the music anymore, it was all about controversy & the East/West situation. And yes, Suge & Pac were really unseperable (they started having some beef though, because of the money that Suge owed Pac).
Now, back to your question: how would the West Coast be if Pac never signed with Death Row? That's a tough one man...but I think that the other artists would've gotten a chance to blow up. And they would hook-up with other West Coast artists so they could be in the spotlight. But then again...Death Row was number 1 since 92, so maybe it was time for them to "fall off", who knows.
Oh, one more thing: I don't think you can blame Pac for the decline of West Coast rap...there are still a lot of tight rappers out right now (they're just not in the spotlight). Pac had major love for the West...I think he would've signed several West Coast artists to his "Makaveli Records" label. Too bad we never got a chance to see that...
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Point is, the whole coast was selling considerably better when Pac was alive. Negative image in the media? Who cares? Death Row didn't sell its 26 million by baking cakes. Bad Publicity was what sold G Rap.
G Funk and all that shit was about to die anyway. However I think Pac would have lasted past all that because his music was never really just west coast, or just gangsta rap.
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G Funk and all that shit was about to die anyway. However I think Pac would have lasted past all that because his music was never really just west coast, or just gangsta rap.
Exactly...his music was West Coast but it was different. it was more than that. He often rapped about struggling & his trials and tribulations he was going through...not just being gangsta.
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Kaidy is tha homie...
I could go back and quote both of K'z stament's..
nothin' but truth right there..
(At least that's how I feel bout' aswell)
Hatesrats 2oooIV
(Couldn't have said it better)
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I'm not blaiming pac for the decline... all I'm really saying is...
once 2pac came to the label, their focus changed... and we all know Dre left because of the way the label was focusing more on controversy than music. Of course the Snoop trial didn't help much either
-BpG
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Damn Hatesrats, Kelis got a major booty on you avatar :o
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Pac had west coast in his blood, repped it alot harder than Dre and Snoop.
Suge Knight began the decline of the west coast.
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and pac was his mouthpiece?
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Damn Hatesrats, Kelis got a major booty on you avatar :o
Geeyeah!! I wish I could take prop's on that!!
Fucken Nas is a lucky MoFo...
I'd talk slow 4 a day to walk in his shoe's
Back 2 the Pac discussion..
get it, 2 tha....nevermind
Hatesrats 2oooIV
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2Pac's death started the decline of West Coast hip hop.
If you don't even think of Pac when you think of West Coast rap music then you must be a complete idiot.
i agree somewhat. you gotta remember that in 92, dre came with something we never heard before. nothing is going to be like those days again. it's like takin that first puff of indo, it's never the same after that first high. you gotta remember that those guys brought heat mostly because of the fact that it was NEW. no one ever came with such heat after their first album, because nothing could really whet our appetites. we wanted that 'first high' again, and it was unattainable. still is.
but as for pac being westcoast, i don't really consider it. pac WAS the WHOLE rap game at that time, to me, and it's hard to imagine ANYONE that had a bigger effect on the game. i see pac as the inevitable climax of rap, period. westcoast, eastcoast, every coast. and his death was the sad, dreary downfall.
i mean, come on, do any of ya'll really believe that rap is going to be as good as it was when we first heard it? if you do, you're kidding yourselves. detox is gonna be dope, but it's never gonna be 'the chronic,' 'doggystyle', or any other classic for that matter. and that's not because dre's production is lacking; if anything, his production has gotten better, but our standards are higher because we've heard it all before. nothing is ever going to be another 'g thang' to us, cuz that was our first taste.
you can't blame it on pac, you can't blame it on anything. it was inevitable for the rap game to come to a climax and start falling. just like anything in life. nothing always stays on top forever.
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i kinda agree..
nah 2pac put a negative view of the west coast in the media before he died. stigma from that is part of what has kept the west down.
nah, you gotta remember that rap music isn't all that positive to begin with and he just shed more light on that subject.....pac repped HARD for the west, and my whole high school was walkin around throwin dubs in the air cuz of pac......i don't think pac made the image tarnished, rap music was tarnished to begin with, and in all probability, started with DRE and SNOOP and NWA. no one was talkin shit about rap when it was run dmc, cuz they rapped on a more positive side. Pac just trancended all borders and showed the world the RAP GAME....
*remember, before i get blasted for this, this is my opinion...*
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^ haha naw.w. man i understand totally... yes the youth loved Pac.
BUT.. the people who pull the strings in big business are old ass white share holders.. the image was tarnished with them.
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Pac had west coast in his blood, repped it alot harder than Dre and Snoop.
Suge Knight began the decline of the west coast.
Naw, Snoop represented his hood, eastside long beach where he was from.....How could Pac have westcoast in his blood when he was from NewYork ? He just rep'd the coast cuz thats where he made his money and his music.
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^ haha naw.w. man i understand totally... yes the youth loved Pac.
BUT.. the people who pull the strings in big business are old ass white share holders.. the image was tarnished with them.
you think that pac started that? i remember when dre, snoops, even ice-t's albums were being smashed on city streets by politicians, long before pac came out with his loud mouth....i remember time warner issuing public apologies for records long before pac....and snoop made it a bigger issue with the murder trial....i guess i'm just tryin to say that rap had a bad image wayyyy before pac. pac just shed even more light on it.....
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Pac had west coast in his blood, repped it alot harder than Dre and Snoop.
Suge Knight began the decline of the west coast.
Naw, Snoop represented his hood, eastside long beach where he was from.....How could Pac have westcoast in his blood when he was from NewYork ? He just rep'd the coast cuz thats where he made his money and his music.
i think he's tryin to say that 'westcoast' is a mindstate and not a physical thing...
(i think kurupt was born in philly - and if you follow your example and he was born in philly, he can't rep westcoast...although i might be wrong....)
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Pac had west coast in his blood, repped it alot harder than Dre and Snoop.
Suge Knight began the decline of the west coast.
Naw, Snoop represented his hood, eastside long beach where he was from.....How could Pac have westcoast in his blood when he was from NewYork ? He just rep'd the coast cuz thats where he made his money and his music.
[sarcasm]Your point holds no wait. Are you from CA? or even the west coast? If not, then your opinion on west coast music means nothing cos you weren't born here.[/sarcasm]
See, that doesnt make sense right? Pac WAS what what west coast music was about. Ice Cube, Ice T, and more were claiming west coast too, and last I checked, Ice T isnt even from CA.
Pac didnt ruin west coast music, cos if he did, Snoop, Dre, Xzibit, ANYONE, would not have sold records after it. And Pac didnt start the East/West thing, that's all media. The media started that shit -- Pac made it clear, he was going after Bad Boy/Biggie. And even that beef (Bad Boy/Deathrow) had been going on WAY before Pac even got to Deathrow.
Close this thread, it's pointless.
PAC = GOAT.
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G Funk and all that shit was about to die anyway. However I think Pac would have lasted past all that because his music was never really just west coast, or just gangsta rap.
this is what probably sums it up right here....2pac's cd weren't all about doing g shit, it wasn't all about love...it was a whole mixture of things. west coast music was going into a transitioning period and 2pac was leading the way. once 2pac died however, what we were left with was a bunch of rappers still trying to capitilize off of full gangsta rap .
same thing with 2001, Dre set it up for the west to be on top, he passed the ball to Xzibit....and the westcoast dropped the ball because they just came out with more gangsta shit.
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i kinda agree..
nah 2pac put a negative view of the west coast in the media before he died. stigma from that is part of what has kept the west down.
Yeah because Suge never threatened Eazy with a Bat, or made anyone drink piss, or beat up anyone, and Snoop never was on trial for murder, and dre never slapped a female, and Nate dogg and ruthless never got down on a golf course, it was all 2pac's fault the west coast got negative views ::)
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Pac had west coast in his blood, repped it alot harder than Dre and Snoop.
Suge Knight began the decline of the west coast.
Naw, Snoop represented his hood, eastside long beach where he was from.....How could Pac have westcoast in his blood when he was from NewYork ? He just rep'd the coast cuz thats where he made his money and his music.
[sarcasm]Your point holds no wait. Are you from CA? or even the west coast? If not, then your opinion on west coast music means nothing cos you weren't born here.[/sarcasm]
See, that doesnt make sense right? Pac WAS what what west coast music was about. Ice Cube, Ice T, and more were claiming west coast too, and last I checked, Ice T isnt even from CA.
Pac didnt ruin west coast music, cos if he did, Snoop, Dre, Xzibit, ANYONE, would not have sold records after it. And Pac didnt start the East/West thing, that's all media. The media started that shit -- Pac made it clear, he was going after Bad Boy/Biggie. And even that beef (Bad Boy/Deathrow) had been going on WAY before Pac even got to Deathrow.
Close this thread, it's pointless.
PAC = GOAT.
Pac was like a puppet for Suge IMO....See what Im tryin to say is that when Snoop was comin out, he was rolling with about 5-10 other artist/friends from the LBC, so thats what the represented, cuz it meant something to them, and it was the thing to do.....IMO Pac just repped the west because thats what Suge wanted him to do, and thats where the money was at.....After all, Pac didnt come up in the game with any westcoast cats, and didnt really roll w anyone besides Suge and ahh Digital Underground...Just cuz Im not from the westcoast, doesnt mean I cant hold an opinion.
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So him living in Oakland means nothing cos he was born in NY? Wow.
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So him living in Oakland means nothing cos he was born in NY? Wow.
Its kind of a double edged sword....Personally, Ive lived in other citys before, and If someone asks me where Im from, I say where I was born.
I guess thats the difference between me and 2Pac ;D
Pac is cool tho, I love his music, just dont agree with alota the shit he did.
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Basically think of it like... everyone has their group of buddies. Lets say your group of buddies worked their ass of to get all the hot girls in your city. Now imagine some dude from like another city moving in next door. You get kinda cool with him and then bam... it seems like every girl in your circle wants to bang him, but theres like 10 of you who've been here from day one. The new guy gets the show while the rest just sit back and watch it unfold. In the end, the new guy gets shot by some homies across the city and then all the girls are sad because their man died. They forget your there still with your 10 buddies. Then you guys gotta try and do it all over again.
i'm not trying to say pac is a bad artist, but in all honesty, HE DOESN'T REP THE WEST... HE WAS SIGNED TO A WESTCOAST LABEL THAT DID REP THE WEST. He came from NY, HE DID DISS BIGGIE... HE GOT ALL THE ATTENTION AND THEN HE DIED... THE END... no one cared about nate dogg on a golf course or anything but what PAC DID... basically all these dudes worked hard for what they got, DIDN'T GET THE ATTENTION... and when Pac goes down... NO ONE REMEMBER WHO STARTED IT ALL...
-BpG
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^^Great persepective^^
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"Its not where you from but where ya at"
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Basically think of it like... everyone has their group of buddies. Lets say your group of buddies worked their ass of to get all the hot girls in your city. Now imagine some dude from like another city moving in next door. You get kinda cool with him and then bam... it seems like every girl in your circle wants to bang him, but theres like 10 of you who've been here from day one. The new guy gets the show while the rest just sit back and watch it unfold. In the end, the new guy gets shot by some homies across the city and then all the girls are sad because their man died. They forget your there still with your 10 buddies. Then you guys gotta try and do it all over again.
Yeah very good example. when you look at it like that then...wow. i get your point.
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Yeah man ya right I feel ya.
I luv Pac's music but he did a lot of wrong shit.
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Basically think of it like... everyone has their group of buddies. Lets say your group of buddies worked their ass of to get all the hot girls in your city. Now imagine some dude from like another city moving in next door. You get kinda cool with him and then bam... it seems like every girl in your circle wants to bang him, but theres like 10 of you who've been here from day one. The new guy gets the show while the rest just sit back and watch it unfold. In the end, the new guy gets shot by some homies across the city and then all the girls are sad because their man died. They forget your there still with your 10 buddies. Then you guys gotta try and do it all over again.
i'm not trying to say pac is a bad artist, but in all honesty, HE DOESN'T REP THE WEST... HE WAS SIGNED TO A WESTCOAST LABEL THAT DID REP THE WEST. He came from NY, HE DID DISS BIGGIE... HE GOT ALL THE ATTENTION AND THEN HE DIED... THE END... no one cared about nate dogg on a golf course or anything but what PAC DID... basically all these dudes worked hard for what they got, DIDN'T GET THE ATTENTION... and when Pac goes down... NO ONE REMEMBER WHO STARTED IT ALL...
-BpG
understandable...but (i don't know if you are...) you can't blame pac for it, you gotta blame 'the girls' for it. and 'blame' may not even be the word for it...i'd say 'nothing ever stays the same'.
plus, man, people can't make hits forever. if pac didn't come out, then somebody would have. it's like lebron. all the guys in the league been puttin all that hard work in and then all of a sudden lebron comes in and bam - gets a 90 million dollar shoe contract without a single second on the court. yeah people are pissed, but more people are happy. plus, it adds to the evolution of the game. no one wants to be sittin around, 90 years old, still listenin to dre and snoop and the dpg still comin with "eat a dicc bitch" and blah blah blah.
all good things must come to an end and it's not one single event that changed it.
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Yeah man ya right I feel ya.
I luv Pac's music but he did a lot of wrong shit.
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i fail to see it that way - how was it wrong? he was talkin about the west, and what's wrong with talkin about what you like?
i just see it as the natural progression of things. yeah, pac did do a lot of wrong shit, but this was inevitable. the west needed to step up and pac is what happened. his shit with BIG, that was wrong, and the controversy was wrong, but damn, dude was a human being. if he didn't do it, somebody else would have...
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I read the title and it sparked my interest, then I saw dude's avatar and sig and changed my mind.
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You didn't notice my name?
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Haha. When I saw it was Big BPG or somthing like that.
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2pac was B rate.
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i'm not trying to say pac is a bad artist, but in all honesty, HE DOESN'T REP THE WEST
See, now your whole argument has gone down the toilet. I take it you never saw the All Eyez On Me album cover, or the California Love video (Dr. Dre was in that too, so you might have heard it once or twice), or perhaps To Live & Die In LA?
And the reason you and your ten buddies didn't get the girls is because your game was stale and you were no longer relevant or interesting. The new guy was obviously spitting something better and more important.
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Westside is not part of the map i'm not no dumb ass mutha fucker i don't bang for the color or the land i bang for the principle and for the honor this is in my heart this is how i feel- 2pac
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Pac never repped the West until he joined Death Row? Uhhh... he's been reppin' Oakland and the Bay since his first album. You need to check your history. Before he signed to Death Row he was on almost every major Bay Area rappers album as a guest from Spice 1 to Too $hort to E-40 to Young Lay. When his professional rap career started he repped nothing but the West Coast, no one knew about him being from New York until Me Against The World dropped.
Pac was never down with anyone but Suge Knight and Digital Underground? Richie Rich, E-40, Spice 1, and almost every other Bay Area rapper. He was cool with all of them and even bought a house in Atlanta (before Death Row) because Too $hort was living there.
LOL @ Pac being blamed for starting rap rivalries when Dre and Snoop began their Death Row careers by dissing Eazy E. But I guess it's all about the music when Dre and Snoop do it.
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Yeah, and Pac banged for California.
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The argument is not about whether he repped the West or Not... if you wanna be literal about it, he did rep the west... its like me, a man from the midwest, going to new york, hooking up with jay-z and reppin the eastcoast... ALL YOU PEOPLE WOULD KNOW THAT I'M ONLY DOING IT FOR THE MONEY...artists do it all the time, step on some mixtape, and rep where they are at the moment... but in all literal sense, he's not a westcoast rapper... I MEAN THAT IN THE SENSE THAT HE DOES NOT HAVE THE WESTCOAST ATTITUDE IN HIS BLOOD... the westcoast is a state of mind, its a know how on your style of music. 2pac had Dre produce his records, he lived for now and not for later. It doesn't matter whether your actually saying "westcoast" in your song, that's just words, its creating a style, which Dre, Snoop, and the whole dpg crew did... they GAVE PAC that style... just like camr'on with Rocafella... he now has their style...THERE IS NOT QUESTIONING THAT... Pac was all controversial, making a scene... getting the media all in his business, then he dies with the music """HE CREATED""" and the rest is history...
all im saying is, his arrival to tha row wasn't a good thing...
-BpG
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The argument is not about whether he repped the West or Not... if you wanna be literal about it, he did rep the west... its like me, a man from the midwest, going to new york, hooking up with jay-z and reppin the eastcoast... ALL YOU PEOPLE WOULD KNOW THAT I'M ONLY DOING IT FOR THE MONEY...artists do it all the time, step on some mixtape, and rep where they are at the moment... but in all literal sense, he's not a westcoast rapper... I MEAN THAT IN THE SENSE THAT HE DOES NOT HAVE THE WESTCOAST ATTITUDE IN HIS BLOOD... the westcoast is a state of mind, its a know how on your style of music. 2pac had Dre produce his records, he lived for now and not for later. It doesn't matter whether your actually saying "westcoast" in your song, that's just words, its creating a style, which Dre, Snoop, and the whole dpg crew did... they GAVE PAC that style... just like camr'on with Rocafella... he now has their style...THERE IS NOT QUESTIONING THAT... Pac was all controversial, making a scene... getting the media all in his business, then he dies with the music """HE CREATED""" and the rest is history...
all im saying is, his arrival to tha row wasn't a good thing...
-BpG
As I stated earlier 2Pac was West Coast before he met up with anyone from Death Row, before the West Coast blew up with The Chronic so he wasn't doing it for the money and he had the same style that he had before he signed to Death Row other than 2 Dre produced tracks and 6 Daz tracks on All Eyez On Me, the bulk of the album was done by Johnny J the producer he worked with before Death Row and Makaveli had no tracks by any of the original Death Row producers so what style is this Snoop and Dre gave to him? I would say he got his style from Ice Cube.
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the real question is... where would the west be if 2pac didn't join deathrow... I really don't care about whether he's westcoast or not, thats an opinionated argument that really has no merit.
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the real question is... where would the west be if 2pac didn't join deathrow... I really don't care about whether he's westcoast or not, thats an opinionated argument that really has no merit.
The same as it is now since Suge was stealing money from his artists which made most of them leave the company and the fucked up shit going on in the studio (beatings, rapings, etc.) which was the reason Dre left and that had nothing to do with Pac so Death Row would have fallen off anyway. Also when Dre left the quality of music coming from the original Death Row inmates was lackluster compared to their previous classic material which is another reason sales slumped and interest decreased. I don't think Pac made people forget about the other inmates because Tha Doggfather was one of the most anticipated albums of the time but it was a big disappointment so people lost interest in Snoop and his follow up to that was even worse.
Just like you said earlier Dre made the last classic with 2001 but no one could carry the flame after that with an album of equal quality. The West Coast just isn't making the music they once had not because one rapper has the spotlight and people forget about everyone else.
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Look at the timeline and you can't argue with that. Interesting view to the man that brought this up. I never thought about it that way.
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Pac was one of the most popular rap artists of all time, hes sold most records than any other rapper. when anyone thinks of tupac thay affiliate him wif west side, he was one of the realest to put it down for the westside, and ya'll should b thankin him for that, not hating. Where are the DpG artists now? Snoops all ova t he place on these wack remixes, daz on an east side label, and whos Dre'z main artists on his label 50, em....only now hes signed the game, and nate dogg is one of the most commercial rappers out there, how u gonna put this on pac, when he was alive he had everyone together puttin it down. Pac didnt rep west coz he was told to, he lived the west coast lifestyle and had been living out there before he went on to deathrow since he was wat like 17. Pay the legend his proper respects.
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Good posts WCV, I'm glad someone told this guy some facts. Makes me sick when people are talking shit about Pac when they've so obviously never heard hardly any of his music or know any of his history.
BPG, go read a quick Pac bio or perhaps even listen to one of his cds then come back talking about who gave him his style. Pac is a legend and one of the most important people in hip hop history, so even if you don't feel his music, at least show some respect.
And to answer your other question... the West would be in the same place if Pac did or didn't go to Death Row. As I said earlier G-Funk was about to die anyway and even if Dre was still on the row he would still gone thru that experimental phase and dropped a bullshit compilation same as.
But anyway who cares. You can't change whats happened. Its like saying where would Snoop be if he never dropped that piece of shit cd Da Game... or decided he was a 70s superpimp, or put his name on more products than Krusty the klown...
Rest in Peace Mr. Shakur
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word to kaidy
R.I.P Pac
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Good posts WCV, I'm glad someone told this guy some facts. Makes me sick when people are talking shit about Pac when they've so obviously never heard hardly any of his music or know any of his history.
BPG, go read a quick Pac bio or perhaps even listen to one of his cds then come back talking about who gave him his style. Pac is a legend and one of the most important people in hip hop history, so even if you don't feel his music, at least show some respect.
And to answer your other question... the West would be in the same place if Pac did or didn't go to Death Row. As I said earlier G-Funk was about to die anyway and even if Dre was still on the row he would still gone thru that experimental phase and dropped a bullshit compilation same as.
But anyway who cares. You can't change whats happened. Its like saying where would Snoop be if he never dropped that piece of shit cd Da Game... or decided he was a 70s superpimp, or put his name on more products than Krusty the klown...
Rest in Peace Mr. Shakur
my sentiments exactly...
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The argument is not about whether he repped the West or Not... if you wanna be literal about it, he did rep the west... its like me, a man from the midwest, going to new york, hooking up with jay-z and reppin the eastcoast... ALL YOU PEOPLE WOULD KNOW THAT I'M ONLY DOING IT FOR THE MONEY...artists do it all the time, step on some mixtape, and rep where they are at the moment... but in all literal sense, he's not a westcoast rapper... I MEAN THAT IN THE SENSE THAT HE DOES NOT HAVE THE WESTCOAST ATTITUDE IN HIS BLOOD... the westcoast is a state of mind, its a know how on your style of music. 2pac had Dre produce his records, he lived for now and not for later. It doesn't matter whether your actually saying "westcoast" in your song, that's just words, its creating a style, which Dre, Snoop, and the whole dpg crew did... they GAVE PAC that style... just like camr'on with Rocafella... he now has their style...THERE IS NOT QUESTIONING THAT... Pac was all controversial, making a scene... getting the media all in his business, then he dies with the music """HE CREATED""" and the rest is history...
all im saying is, his arrival to tha row wasn't a good thing...
-BpG
Pac was livin' out on the West Coast BEFORE he went to jail. That's why Suge bailed him out and signed him. He knew Pac loved the Cali life and would fit perfectly in with the rest of the Westcoast acts he had. That's also why as soon as Pac was bailed out he did "California Love" w/ Dre. I do half agree with your last statement though.
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lol at the bullshit Pac was westcoast in and out he got his style fro Dre lol u cant be fuckin serious Dre did his beats ? nigga plz Dre only did 2 fucking beats for Pac