West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Native_Joe99 on March 25, 2004, 11:42:19 AM
-
Copyright (c) 2004 Seattle Times Company, All Rights Reserved.
LOS ANGELES Seven years after the killing of rap star Notorious B.I.G., the FBI is investigating allegations that a rogue Los Angeles police officer orchestrated the slaying with rap mogul Marion "Suge" Knight, according to court documents and law- enforcement sources.
The FBI is pursuing a 6-year-old theory that then-Officer David Mack, acting at Knight's request, arranged for Amir Muhammad, Mack's friend and college roommate, to ambush the rapper outside the Petersen Automotive Museum.
The Los Angeles Police Department over the years has offered conflicting assessments of the theory, which police at one point took seriously. Documents show that LAPD detectives are focusing on an alternative theory that centers on a Houston rap entrepreneur.
Mack, Knight and Muhammad, a Southern California mortgage broker, long have denied involvement in the 1997 killing.
"I have stated from the outset that I have nothing whatsoever to do with any of this," Muhammad, who also uses the name Harry Billups, said Thursday from his attorney's office. "I've done nothing wrong. I don't have anything to hide."
Knight, founder of Death Row Records, also rejected the allegations.
"I don't know David Mack or Amir Muhammad. I've never met them," he said from Mule Creek State Prison, where he is serving time for a probation violation. "The FBI has never contacted me, but I'm glad they are looking into all of this stuff. I hope they solve it."
Notorious B.I.G., whose real name was Christopher Wallace, was gunned down March 9, 1997, in front of hundreds of people who had just left a music-industry party at the museum. The New York rapper was sitting in the passenger seat of a sport-utility vehicle at a red light when a lone assassin in a dark Chevrolet Impala pulled up in the neighboring lane and opened fire.
The killing occurred six months after rap star Tupac Shakur was fatally wounded in a drive-by attack in Las Vegas.
No one has been charged in either killing. Detectives quickly speculated that the murders may have stemmed from a rivalry between East Coast and West Coast rappers. Shakur and Wallace had been feuding, and a rivalry between their record labels, L.A.-based Death Row and New York-based Bad Boy Entertainment, had escalated into assaults and shootings.
Each label used gang members for protection, and police investigated the possibility that both killings were committed by members of Compton, Calif.'s Southside Crips.
The theory now being investigated by the FBI was first advanced in 1998 by then-LAPD Detective Russell Poole.
According to Poole, Knight had Shakur killed because the rap star was about to leave his label and Knight then had Wallace murdered to make it appear that both slayings were the result of a bicoastal rap feud. Poole contends that Knight may have used corrupt police officers to help carry out both murders.
Mack, one-time partner of disgraced former LAPD Officer Rafael Perez, came under suspicion after he was arrested in December 1997 for robbing a bank. He is serving a 14-year prison term.
Mack owned a black Impala similar to the car used in the Wallace slaying, and a witness reported seeing him at the scene. Informants told investigators that Mack may have provided security for Knight. Both men grew up in Compton.
Poole began scrutinizing Muhammad, who was a classmate of Mack's at the University of Oregon, after learning that he had visited Mack in prison in December 1997. A jailhouse informant had told detectives several months earlier that Wallace's killer was a Southside Crip who went by a Middle Eastern name, possibly "Amir" or "Ashmir" and that his true name might be Abraham or Kenny or Keeky.
A driver's-license photo of Muhammad resembles a police sketch of Wallace's killer based on witness descriptions. One witness told police he saw a man who resembled Muhammad outside the museum the night of the shooting.
Muhammad, in the phone interview, said the account was unfounded. "Anybody who says they saw me there that night or that I had anything to do with this is a liar," he said.
Poole resigned from the LAPD in 1999 after disputes with his superiors about the direction of various investigations, including the one into Wallace's murder.
Poole since has promoted his theory of the Wallace slaying in newspaper interviews and books and through appearances on documentaries and TV shows. He has endorsed a screenplay treatment of it that is being shopped to Hollywood studios. Actor Sylvester Stallone has discussed portraying Poole in a movie.
Poole also joined forces with Wallace's mother, Voletta, who filed a wrongful-death suit against the city of Los Angeles two years ago. The suit contends the LAPD covered up police involvement in the rapper's killing.
The case is scheduled to go to trial July 27 in federal court in Los Angeles, with Poole testifying for the plaintiffs.
The FBI's interest in the case was sparked by a TV special on the Wallace killing aired on the VH1 cable channel last summer. An FBI agent who saw the show contacted attorneys for the Wallace family, who alleged that witnesses were afraid to talk to LAPD detectives, documents show.
The FBI declined to comment.
Credit: Los Angeles Times
-
finally
-
Man the LA Times has been printing stuff like this for years. Ain't no telling how much of it is true, but for real - the Pac & Biggie murders are the two topics they make a story about when ever they're trying to sell some papers. Remember that one piece that suggested Biggie had Pac killed? That was from the LA Times too.
-
Man the LA Times has been printing stuff like this for years. Ain't no telling how much of it is true, but for real - the Pac & Biggie murders are the two topics they make a story about when ever they're trying to sell some papers. Remember that one piece that suggested Biggie had Pac killed? That was from the LA Times too.
i have also read a number of books suggesting the same thing, including photographs, and talking about David Mack's bank robbery and they found the same impala ss in his garage used for the murder of biggie. David Macks' first jail visitor was Harry Billups who matches the description of the main suspect of biggies murder. Rafael Perez one of the most corrupt LAPD cops was found with money bags from David Macks robbery, and he provided Suge knight with security and was later charged with a quarter pound of cocaine showing up at his doorstep.
-
if yall are intersted in this topic, go check out that 2pac and biggie movie. its really interesting and it basically proves suga was behind biggies death. crazy shit.
-
if yall are intersted in this topic, go check out that 2pac and biggie movie. its really interesting and it basically proves suga was behind biggies death. crazy shit.
i have seen close to all of them, books, all that shit.
-
Why more people havent replied to this post is astounding, its amazing some people dont know about all this, with a few book, articles in newspapers & magazines & a documentary
Its the truth & Suge & his corrupt friends need to pay the price
Suge is an asshole, if you've read Ronin Ro's "Have Gun Will Travel" & watched "Welcome To Death Row", you see how evil that man is. The guy would lock everyone from rappers to female office employee's in his office while he watched psychotic MOB Piru's beat down on them, or humilate them in other ways as well, even Suge himself would get involved, David Kenner with his greasy slicked back hair watching while females got there teeth knocked out by others while Suge held her down
He is a gut less chicken shit, RBX told him to his face he wouldnt take on RBX if he wasnt hanging with all them Bloods (which he did pay for, he wasnt really a blood as a teen he was friends with some though). One time some guy called Bruce kicked Suge & a few of his blood friends ass all by himself with no weapons. 2 weeks later Bruce & his girlfriend are dead.
Suge, he had it all, he was head of what could've been the Motown of Rap, instead he snorted & smoked, bashed & bullyed, assaulted & murdered it all away for what, so he could wear a red? (when he isnt in his jail house blues hehe)
He ruined it all. If he just had a heart, Dr. Dre, Snoop, Sneed, DOC, Quik, Cube, DPG, Rage, 2Pac etc etc would still be on there all together making dope music, instead it was all gone because Suge wanted to be "The Godfather"
I really hope that everyone involved is brought to justice finally. Theres so many leads & evidence against Suge & those involved. Hell Suge saying he doesnt know David Mack is a complete & utter lie (whats new from Suge thou), he was always at Death Row parties, doing "security" & eventually wearing Red suits that Suge also wore.
So yes, finally do justice for Biggies murder, one great rapper & young man takin away all because Suge thought Puffy tried to get him shot up (which is BS)
-
word,suge killed biggie and 2pac...fuck suge knight
-
Why would you get someone gunned down when your sitting next to them and your about 3 times there size......doesnt make sense?????????????????
-
despicable 1-800-fbi-tell calling ass muthaphuckaz.
quit hating on suge.
saying suge had pac killed is just silly. quit watching mtv.
puff, biggie, those cats were paying those sscc's for protection, and the next thing you know death row cats are getting jumped, getting their medallions stolen, pac is getting ambushed and shot. alot of cats believe puff and biggie were behind pac's murder.
how the fuck is suge supposed to let that slide? shit like that you have to retaliate over.
suge had it all, lost it all; and surely his shortcomings and failures torment his ass. he's sitting in prison right now when he could have been up in his offices heading up one of the biggest most significant labels selling millions.
but if you don't want to get caught up in that street shit, don't get involved in that street shit. every one of the participants is dirty, puff, bigg, pac, suge, and all the cats supporting them. so get off this gay shit trying to single out a villain, and calling people victims...
the shit that happened with those cats happens in the streets al the time. it's just rare that you get to see shit like that play out in the media, where the participants are famous and shit. but there's a reason most people don't have muthaphukkaz gunning for them at every turn. if you do some dirt, people are going to try to get back at you. it's all about the choices one makes. if pac makes some different choices, he's still here. bigg does some things differently, he's still here. suge makes different choices, he's a free man, running the #1 label in the game surrounded by talent. puff? well shit, regardless of what puff does he'll still be a questionable, effeminate sideshow. but that's no worse than what he is now.
stop hating on suge.
i hope dude gets out, maybe changes his attitudes a little and gets shit crackin' again. maybe he'll repeat the mistakes he's made in the past and experience more failures.
-
saying suge had pac killed is just silly. quit watching mtv.
-
we read the same shit year after year.it nothing new.. suge would be locked up now if the police had 1% of anything on him...
-
word,suge killed biggie and 2pac...fuck suge knight
He didnt kill 2Pac, South Side Crip's did that one for sure no doubt in my mind i know it almost for a fact. Its a simple situation, Pac tried to jump up for MOB Piru by snapping on Baby Lane, but he fucked with the wrong crip, they rode for revenge, then there was wars between bloods & crips after that
-
Why would you get someone gunned down when your sitting next to them and your about 3 times there size......doesnt make sense?????????????????
Exactly however ur name (lil suge) disturbs me. U name yourself after a guy who bullys people, has had people killed & has beat up everyone from rappers to female employees?
If you support someone like that u can got to hell busta
-
But then I name myself after a guy who helped establish one of the greatest record labels of all time, a guy who does much needed charity work for the streets, a guy who gave jobs to known criminals and got them away from that life on the street.
I wish the hating on Suge ended, I mean if all his artists didnt get paid they seemed to be doin pretty well for themselves, Snoop, Dre, Daz, Kurupt
Yeah the guy maybe a bully, but then look at the pros the guy gives back, its a shame people on focus on negatives of one guy.
-
But then I name myself after a guy who helped establish one of the greatest record labels of all time, a guy who does much needed charity work for the streets, a guy who gave jobs to known criminals and got them away from that life on the street.
I wish the hating on Suge ended, I mean if all his artists didnt get paid they seemed to be doin pretty well for themselves, Snoop, Dre, Daz, Kurupt
Yeah the guy maybe a bully, but then look at the pros the guy gives back, its a shame people on focus on negatives of one guy.
Dude, the guy gave jobs to criminals from his blood gang so they would stick around & be his muscle
I have to give Suge props for his charity, that is good, but its like what the mafia used to do, you know, paint a pretty pic of themselves, but what does he do behind the scenes. He has beat down everyone smaller than him (from rappers to female employees, hellloo, he hits females, thats a bitch for you), he ripped money off many people, extorted people. Man i could go on & on
The thing is there isnt much positives about Suge to talk about
I'm not biased at all, i always be objective. Suge may have some good quality's, shame his bad quality's are far greater than the good quality's
Do you want me to make a list of all the shit Suges done, really theres so many things out there that he has done & it shows u what a cruel bastard he is.
Dr. Dre, Snoop, Sam Sneed, DPG, Quik, Pac, Rage, RBX, etc etc were the ones that made Death Row good, Suge yes he made some good business moves, but he also made some very stupid ones
Beating Down & threatening to rape Music Executives is not good business. Creating a negative work place in the studio is not good business (ask Dre why he left). Giving artists new cars instead of there owed money from the publishing is not good business.
Ohh man i aint even got to continue. Go watch Welcome To Death Row, read LABrynth or have gun will travel
After that, you will know why Suge is not a person to admire
-
syxx_aka_engies:
Dude, the guy gave jobs to criminals from his blood gang so they would stick around & be his muscle
pussy talk. "those guys were criminals." so what. if muthaphukkaz want to make shit happen, they need a team of down ass muthaphukkaz willing to do whatever. even the fucking president of the united states employs a team of killers (aka the army, air force, marines & navy) when he wants to do some dirt. why should suge be any different?
He has beat down everyone smaller than him (from rappers to female employees, hellloo, he hits females, thats a bitch for you)
every story i've heard (including that shit jewell told on that dvd) has him getting his homegirls to beat up on these bitches. stop twisting shit.
he ripped money off many people, extorted people. Man i could go on & on
there's nothing wrong with that. capitalism is a system based on exploitation.
i have issues with suge slapping around and bitching out his artists (like warren g) and all this silly beefin' he does with cats like snoop and shit. snoop, dpg, quik; these muthaphukkaz are supposed to be on his team. those are his allies. everytime he fucked one of them over, he fucked himself. so i disagree with him there.
but i don't have any problems with him slapping around some of these bitch ass record execs, i have no problems with him extorting vanilla ice or whatever. not everyone deserves to be treated with respect. suge's problem is that he didn't recognize the people he should have been taking care of. with those relationships that suge had with his artists, it doesn't matter if these cats are real or fake. they're putting money in his pockets, they made him who he is, take care of them.
if i have any problems with suge's thugging, it's that he went after the cats he should have been looking out for, and he hasn't done enough against these muthaphukkaz with power constantly fucking with him. has jimmy iovine or mtv execs ever been slapped around, kidnapped, or any of that? they should. what about these prosecutors and judges that keep sending his ass to jail over bullshit charges? has suge reached out and touched any of them??? he should. c. delores tucker? tipper gore? joe lieberman? all those cats that were hating on tha row, dpg and pac in the early to mid 90's?
that thug shit doesn't impress me if dude can't stand up to the muthaphukkaz with power and touch them.
but all this talk about "violence against rival music execs and mtv execs..etc" is bullshit. pussy talk. violence has proven itself to be a useful and effective tool time and time again. but i'm tired and disgusted with black on black violence, and gang violence within the community. what i want to see is a little more targetted violence against politicians, against the police, against these judges, against these ceo's and other execs that exploit the culture, exploit the community and don't really give back. take that destructive energy, refocus it, and do something useful with it.
it's not too late for suge. maybe he can turn shit around and do what needs to be done. so i'm still rooting for him.
-
Dude, I didnt twist it. Its from the Ronin Ro book, most of the shit he said in there is verified. On Welcome To Death Row, it was a female photographer. From what she said, she was held down on the table by Suge & a female beat her up
Thats one incident, even so, holding down a female to be beat up, its sickning theres not 1 excuse for that at all
What about the 100's of other Suge stories that havent been told?
Nate told a story how a new rapper went to audition & he said all but 3-4 words & they jumped him & lit his ass up. Now how can you excuse that. That was unprovoked.
Theres plenty of stories, yes sure, some of what he did was fair (protecting artists rights like Mary J Blige & Jodeci), but he is a hypocrite. He said he got Dre DOC & Michelle out of Ruthless coz of they fucked up money & contract. & what did Suge do, he ripped them (& other artists) off. While Daz Kurupt Rage were starving, yet Dogg Food on top of charts sold double platinum, yet they still was broke & starving, whats the deal with that. Suge ripped em off
The bottom line most of Suge's behavior & crimes are unexcusable & are cold hearted
Anyway this is about 1 thing, were Suge, David Mack & Harry Billups involved in the Biggie murder. Biggies bodyguard who was there when Biggie got shot id'd Harry Billups as the man who approached them. Lil Cease & another witness's composite drawings very closely resemble Harry Billups. Theres so many leads & evidence that was not followed up because Cheif Parks wanted it to go away, because he didnt want a corruption of that level coming out & he did his best to make sure that the entire truth didnt come out, they were so quick to settle plea bargains with Rafeal Perez during the Rampart scandle
Its really amazing how much evidence & leads are there regarding Biggies murder & corrupt cops working as muscle for Death Row, read LAbrynth.
My personal opinion is Pac wasnt killed by Suge, that was south side for sure.
However the Biggie murder theres plenty linking Suge so i believe he was involved, i'm 99.9% sure Mack & Billups were involved, hope they tie Suge to it & lock him up & throw away the key
-
without the real death row camp suge´s nuthin but a fat man sittin in a chair on wilshire tryin to act hard in a gang of useless interviews changin the name of the company again and again. then goin to jail get out and goin to jail again..lol. hes a nobrainer, hes just a lucky mug. fuck him. i had respect for dat man but by now i just can laugh about this clown.
-
1987
Suge Knight pleads giulty to battery with a deadly weapon in Las Vegas, sentence pending.
1988
Suge Knight arrested for Assault at Los Angeles International Airport.
1990
Suge Knight pleads guilty to battery in Beverly Hills, sentence suspended.
Suge Knight pleads guilty to battery in Hollywood, sentence suspended.
Suge Knight arrested for assault with a deadly weapon in Las Vegas.
Suge Knight pleads guilty to disturbing the peace in Van Nuys, sentence suspended.
1991
Suge Knight convicted of giving a false name when arrested in possession of a deadly weapon in Beverly Hills, sentece suspended.
Suge Knight persuades Vanilla Ice to sign over song rights to Mario "Chocolate" Johnson
1992
Suge Knight charges with assault with a deadly weapon in Beverly Hills, eventually pleads guilty to misdemeanor battery, sentence suspended.
Suge Knight convicted of assault with a deadly weapon in Las Vegas, sentence suspended
Suge Knight convicted of carrying a concealed weapon in West Covina, sentence suspended
Suge Knight convicted of disturbing the peace in Van Nuys, sentence suspended
Suge Knight arrested for armed assault of George and Lynwood Stanley at Solar Records studios in North Hollywood
1993
Suge Knight, Dr. Dre, and the D.O.C. arrested after brawling outside Black Radio Exclusive convention in New Orleans; fifteen-year-old fan stabbed during melee
1994
U.S. Justice Department commences racketeering investigation against Suge Knight and Death Row Records.
1995
Suge Knight pleads guilty to felony assault with a deadly weapon against George and Lynwood Stanley, given nine-year suspended sentence.
Kelly Jamerson beaten to death at Death Row Records party in Los Angels's El Rey Theater.
1996
Kevin Gaines places 911 call reporting self as victim of shooting at Sharitha Knight's house, assaults officers who respond.
Tupac fired David Kenner as his attorney
Tupac Shakur shot in Las Vegas, dies in hospital.
Police informant reprts that Suge Knight has just delivered a load of Ak-47 assault rifles to Bloods gang members in Nickerson Gardens housing project.
Gang War breaks out in Los Angeles county between bloods and crips.
Suge Knight jailed for failing drug test.
Yafu Fula, one of the only witnesses, shot to death in New Jersey
Steve Cantrock, a Death Row Records accountant, has become a federal witness and is supplying the U.S. Justice Department with financial evidence against Suge Knight.
after this Suge gets transferred a couple more times and he recently went back to jail.
-
syxx_aka_engies:
Dude, I didnt twist it. Its from the Ronin Ro book, most of the shit he said in there is verified. On Welcome To Death Row, it was a female photographer. From what she said, she was held down on the table by Suge & a female beat her up
why was she beaten up? what did she do? getting an ass whipping is nothing.
Thats one incident, even so, holding down a female to be beat up, its sickning theres not 1 excuse for that at all
i don't know the story. i doubt they did it for fun. she probably violated in some way and thought they'd let that shit slide because she was a woman.
Nate told a story how a new rapper went to audition & he said all but 3-4 words & they jumped him & lit his ass up. Now how can you excuse that. That was unprovoked.
nate has always come off as scary. i've got problems with suge beating up his own artists, i've already stated that. but otherwise, shit happens. whipping somebody's ass for nothing is trifling, sure. but suge's dumb ass got sued for it a couple times anyway, and a couple muthaphukkaz cashed out on it. what you call a senseless beating, others would call an early christmas.
Suge ripped em off
i've already criticized suge for not taking care of his people. several times. but every label rips off their artists. 95% of these artists claim they get ripped off. eastsidaz talking about snoop didn't pay them right. ren and dre and cube talking about eazy didn't pay them. ras kass talking about priority not paying him (or his producers). there's a finite amount of money, and whatever the labels don't give the artists they keep for themselves. so you always hear about artists getting cheated or having bullshit deals or whatever.
suge is not unique in this regard and i've already critized him for it.
The bottom line most of Suge's behavior & crimes are unexcusable & are cold hearted
the world is a cold place.
Anyway this is about 1 thing, were Suge, David Mack & Harry Billups involved in the Biggie murder.
i believe 100% that suge knight was behind b. smalls murder. i've always believed it. hopefully the fbi won't be able to pin a damned thing on him. people want to take the streets for a joke. people want to get involved in some gangsta shit and then act like victims when they have to pay the consequences. b. smalls made some bad decisions and paid for them with his life. shit is that simply. ditto pac for that matter. and people say that there are cats gunning for suge, so we'll see how that shit turns out.
again, i critize suge because his thugging was often targetted at the wrong people. but violence is a powerful tool when used effectively, and suge still has potential.
OGSUESONE:
without the real death row camp suge´s nuthin but a fat man sittin in a chair on wilshire tryin to act hard in a gang of useless interviews changin the name of the company again and again.
other than maybe kurupt \w the dpg on "streetz is a mutha", noone that has left death row has put out a classic album with heat all the way through. not snoop, not dre, not daz. at best, these cats may have like 4 or 5 great songs, a couple ok songs and an assload of filler. suge should atleast get credit for putting assloads of talent together and refusing to release garbage shit (atleast back in the early days). none of these cats have been able to recreate that formula.
-
You said Suge wouldnt have just done it for fun. I actually wouldnt put it past him at all. Sorry but "he rewound the tape to far back" is not an excuse for Suge & his bloods to gang bash an engineer