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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: R-Tistic on April 17, 2004, 09:32:09 PM
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Today, I saw that Lebron is supposedly going to be named Rookie of the year on Tuesday. This is news comin from ESPN.
Now I realize that there are many more Lebron haters than Carmelo haters, mainly because he received sooo much hype and was crowned the next Jordan before he got his HS diploma. But do you feel Carmelo REALLY did have a better year, and that Lebron shouldn't get the ROY? Most people on Melo's side argue that he got his team into the playoffs on a much harder conference. But most people who are on Bron's side will say that Lebron deserved it because Melo had a better team who was more experienced, and Lebron's team had so many major changes during the year, which is what I agree with. I think Lebron deserved it more than Melo...and that one 4th quarter when Melo decided not to play made him look bad to me.
I personally like Lebron's game a whole lot more, especially since he loves passing just like my favorite player ever, Magic. But I kiinda think they should just give the ROY to them both, because they both did the damm thing, and because if only one of em wins there is gonna be a lotta debate.
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they should do a co-roy thing like they did that one year with grant hill & jason kidd
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lebron
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I say its gone be a tie, but in the future, look out for Chris Bosh aka CB4.
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I keep hearing that Denver had a better team, but who the hell did they have? Marcus Camby and Andre Miller?...Cleveland had Ilgauskas, Williams, Boozer, and McInnis, but still didn't even make the playoffs IN THE EAST! Carmelo got his team into the playoffs IN THE WILD WILD WEST!...And that "Denver had a better team" argument is straight BULLSHIT...The end.
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Carmelo for me, but I think the fairest outcome would be the shared prize.
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It definetly should be Anthony
He got the Nuggets into the playoffs, were as Lebron coudn't get Cleveland in the playoffs in the East.
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Look at the stats...
Plus who's team is still playin' & who's watching..
no brainer...
Fuck hype
Melo 4 rookie of the year...
(Shit or give Melo the M.V.P.)
Nugget's won't be shit without em...
Hatesrats 2oooIV
by the way...ImO
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i guess Melo will get it if only one is blessed gettin it, since his team was more successful than lebron's. Even tho I like James more as a player.
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lebron was a better all around player...pts/steals/assists/rebounds/block
LEAGUE LEADERS
• Ranks 13th in NBA in Points Per Game (20.9)
• Ranks 10th in NBA in Minutes Per Game (39.5)
• Ranks 3rd among rookies in Assists Per Game (5.9)
• Ranks 13th in NBA in Assists Per Game (5.9)
• Ranks 2nd among rookies in Points Per Game (20.9)
His season-high was 41 points on March 27 against New Jersey made him the youngest player in league history to reach 40 points. James scored at least 30 points 13 times.
James, 19, was only the third rookie in NBA history to average at least 20 points, five rebounds, and five assists, joining Oscar Robertson and Michael Jordan.
And the people agree...Lebron James Rookie of The Year :)
ESPN.com news services
LeBron James, the super-hyped phenom who went from high school to the pros and kept the Cleveland Cavaliers in playoff contention until late in the season, has beaten out Carmelo Anthony in voting for the NBA's Rookie of the Year award.
ESPN's Stephen A. Smith confirmed Saturday an earlier Bloomberg News report that James will be presented with the award Tuesday.
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I'll go with King James.
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lebron was a better all around player...pts/steals/assists/rebounds/block
LEAGUE LEADERS
• Ranks 13th in NBA in Points Per Game (20.9)
• Ranks 10th in NBA in Minutes Per Game (39.5)
• Ranks 3rd among rookies in Assists Per Game (5.9)
• Ranks 13th in NBA in Assists Per Game (5.9)
• Ranks 2nd among rookies in Points Per Game (20.9)
His season-high was 41 points on March 27 against New Jersey made him the youngest player in league history to reach 40 points. James scored at least 30 points 13 times.
James, 19, was only the third rookie in NBA history to average at least 20 points, five rebounds, and five assists, joining Oscar Robertson and Michael Jordan.
And the people agree...Lebron James Rookie of The Year :)
ESPN.com news services
LeBron James, the super-hyped phenom who went from high school to the pros and kept the Cleveland Cavaliers in playoff contention until late in the season, has beaten out Carmelo Anthony in voting for the NBA's Rookie of the Year award.
ESPN's Stephen A. Smith confirmed Saturday an earlier Bloomberg News report that James will be presented with the award Tuesday.
LeBron James Carmelo Anthomy
PPG 20.9 PPG 21.0
RPG 5.5 RPG 6.1
APG 5.9 APG 2.8
SPG 1.65 SPG 1.18
BPG .73 BPG .50
FG% .417 FG% .426
FT% .754 FT% .777
3P% .290 3P% .322
MPG 39.5 MPG 36.5
Anthony has more points in less minutes, and a better FG%, FT%, and 3P% (meaning he shoots a lot less than James)...I think the winner is clear.
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mellow got straight robbbbbbbed!
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I keep hearing that Denver had a better team, but who the hell did they have? Marcus Camby and Andre Miller?...Cleveland had Ilgauskas, Williams, Boozer, and McInnis, but still didn't even make the playoffs IN THE EAST! Carmelo got his team into the playoffs IN THE WILD WILD WEST!...And that "Denver had a better team" argument is straight BULLSHIT...The end.
agrees..
carmello was denver's whole team..imo...lebron had the better team comin in..then the league made changes so that he can build even more hype than he was suppose to have,they got rid of all the scorers 4 the cav's..and dejuan wagner couldnt even do shit...at 1st he wasnt hittin shit....then when mello got on his streak....they started deletin players each player they ended up givin away the better his stats got,kuz he couldnt fit in the system..
and poor mello..smh..he did exactlly what he did at syracuse..made a team who hadnt thought about shit..to a team that believe they can do shit...if that aint a rookie impact i dont know what is...i hope the nuggets some how some way...win the championship..and make david stern mrs. crabapple face ass sick to his stomach..
career to career...mellow will last longer..lebron will be burnt out by his 5th yr..
wait til next yr..nuggets will be in the playoffs again..same senario
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lebron was a better all around player...pts/steals/assists/rebounds/block
LEAGUE LEADERS
• Ranks 13th in NBA in Points Per Game (20.9)
• Ranks 10th in NBA in Minutes Per Game (39.5)
• Ranks 3rd among rookies in Assists Per Game (5.9)
• Ranks 13th in NBA in Assists Per Game (5.9)
• Ranks 2nd among rookies in Points Per Game (20.9)
His season-high was 41 points on March 27 against New Jersey made him the youngest player in league history to reach 40 points. James scored at least 30 points 13 times.
James, 19, was only the third rookie in NBA history to average at least 20 points, five rebounds, and five assists, joining Oscar Robertson and Michael Jordan.
And the people agree...Lebron James Rookie of The Year :)
ESPN.com news services
LeBron James, the super-hyped phenom who went from high school to the pros and kept the Cleveland Cavaliers in playoff contention until late in the season, has beaten out Carmelo Anthony in voting for the NBA's Rookie of the Year award.
ESPN's Stephen A. Smith confirmed Saturday an earlier Bloomberg News report that James will be presented with the award Tuesday.
LeBron James Carmelo Anthomy
PPG 20.9 PPG 21.0
RPG 5.5 RPG 6.1
APG 5.9 APG 2.8
SPG 1.65 SPG 1.18
BPG .73 BPG .50
FG% .417 FG% .426
FT% .754 FT% .777
3P% .290 3P% .322
MPG 39.5 MPG 36.5
Anthony has more points in less minutes, and a better FG%, FT%, and 3P% (meaning he shoots a lot less than James)...I think the winner is clear.
James gets more steals/blocks/assists...its clear who the winner is.
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lebron was a better all around player...pts/steals/assists/rebounds/block
LEAGUE LEADERS
• Ranks 13th in NBA in Points Per Game (20.9)
• Ranks 10th in NBA in Minutes Per Game (39.5)
• Ranks 3rd among rookies in Assists Per Game (5.9)
• Ranks 13th in NBA in Assists Per Game (5.9)
• Ranks 2nd among rookies in Points Per Game (20.9)
His season-high was 41 points on March 27 against New Jersey made him the youngest player in league history to reach 40 points. James scored at least 30 points 13 times.
James, 19, was only the third rookie in NBA history to average at least 20 points, five rebounds, and five assists, joining Oscar Robertson and Michael Jordan.
And the people agree...Lebron James Rookie of The Year :)
ESPN.com news services
LeBron James, the super-hyped phenom who went from high school to the pros and kept the Cleveland Cavaliers in playoff contention until late in the season, has beaten out Carmelo Anthony in voting for the NBA's Rookie of the Year award.
ESPN's Stephen A. Smith confirmed Saturday an earlier Bloomberg News report that James will be presented with the award Tuesday.
LeBron James Carmelo Anthomy
PPG 20.9 PPG 21.0
RPG 5.5 RPG 6.1
APG 5.9 APG 2.8
SPG 1.65 SPG 1.18
BPG .73 BPG .50
FG% .417 FG% .426
FT% .754 FT% .777
3P% .290 3P% .322
MPG 39.5 MPG 36.5
Anthony has more points in less minutes, and a better FG%, FT%, and 3P% (meaning he shoots a lot less than James)...I think the winner is clear.
James gets more steals/blocks/assists...its clear who the winner is.
Anthony gets more Points, Rebounds, and has a better FG%, FT%, and 3%, plus his team made the playoffs in the West. Anthony took a team with 16 wins, and in one year helped them to getting the Nuggets to nearly or over 40 wins and in the playoffs. It's clear who got robbed and that this award is given out based on publicity and not the stats.
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Lebron's team isn't as skilled as Denver, Cleveland traded 4-5 players during the season, that does a lot to a team's chemistry. 1 game out of the playoffs. Cleveland went from 17 wins to 35 (double) this season.
It comes down to who's the more all around player and who had least to work with. Which I believe James is the winner. But no point in arguement from anymore, James won ;D
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lebron was a better all around player...pts/steals/assists/rebounds/block
LEAGUE LEADERS
• Ranks 13th in NBA in Points Per Game (20.9)
• Ranks 10th in NBA in Minutes Per Game (39.5)
• Ranks 3rd among rookies in Assists Per Game (5.9)
• Ranks 13th in NBA in Assists Per Game (5.9)
• Ranks 2nd among rookies in Points Per Game (20.9)
His season-high was 41 points on March 27 against New Jersey made him the youngest player in league history to reach 40 points. James scored at least 30 points 13 times.
James, 19, was only the third rookie in NBA history to average at least 20 points, five rebounds, and five assists, joining Oscar Robertson and Michael Jordan.
And the people agree...Lebron James Rookie of The Year :)
ESPN.com news services
LeBron James, the super-hyped phenom who went from high school to the pros and kept the Cleveland Cavaliers in playoff contention until late in the season, has beaten out Carmelo Anthony in voting for the NBA's Rookie of the Year award.
ESPN's Stephen A. Smith confirmed Saturday an earlier Bloomberg News report that James will be presented with the award Tuesday.
LeBron James Carmelo Anthomy
PPG 20.9 PPG 21.0
RPG 5.5 RPG 6.1
APG 5.9 APG 2.8
SPG 1.65 SPG 1.18
BPG .73 BPG .50
FG% .417 FG% .426
FT% .754 FT% .777
3P% .290 3P% .322
MPG 39.5 MPG 36.5
Anthony has more points in less minutes, and a better FG%, FT%, and 3P% (meaning he shoots a lot less than James)...I think the winner is clear.
Word up... end of story right there... Mellow's got more all around game + you give him those extra 3 minutes a game and that's gonna round his stats up even more
also like my nucca Represent said... watch out for Chris Bosh aka CB4 next year, he's gonna be tearin the league up no doubt...
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Lebron's team isn't as skilled as Denver, Cleveland traded 4-5 players during the season, that does a lot to a team's chemistry. 1 game out of the playoffs. Cleveland went from 17 wins to 35 (double) this season.
It comes down to who's the more all around player and who had least to work with. Which I believe James is the winner. But no point in arguement from anymore, James won ;D
17 to 35? Carmelo took 'em from 16 to 43...Chew on that!
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Lebron's team isn't as skilled as Denver, Cleveland traded 4-5 players during the season, that does a lot to a team's chemistry. 1 game out of the playoffs. Cleveland went from 17 wins to 35 (double) this season.
It comes down to who's the more all around player and who had least to work with. Which I believe James is the winner. But no point in arguement from anymore, James won ;D
17 to 35? Carmelo took 'em from 16 to 43...Chew on that!
I know that already, i was just pointing out to frenchie that Lebron James did the same thing with less to work with.
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Lebron's team isn't as skilled as Denver, Cleveland traded 4-5 players during the season, that does a lot to a team's chemistry. 1 game out of the playoffs. Cleveland went from 17 wins to 35 (double) this season.
It comes down to who's the more all around player and who had least to work with. Which I believe James is the winner. But no point in arguement from anymore, James won ;D
17 to 35? Carmelo took 'em from 16 to 43...Chew on that!
I know that already, i was just pointing out to frenchie that Lebron James did the same thing with less to work with.
How did he do the same thing? First off, LeBron was the one who had MORE to work with...Second off, Denver won 8 more games than Cleveland, AND THAT'S IN THE WEST...Teams in the East play other Eastern Conference teams a lot more than they play Western Conference teams, and vice versa...AND WE ALL KNOW THE MAJORITY OF THE EAST BLOWS NUTS...That's all I got to say to you.
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lebron had more to work with? well, thats your opinion :)
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lebron had more to work with? well, thats your opinion :)
Lebron did wrose in the lesser conference. If you can't get your team in the playoffs in the east, that's saying something.
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lebron had more to work with? well, thats your opinion :)
Lebron did wrose in the lesser conference. If you can't get your team in the playoffs in the east, that's saying something.
Although this is a pretty valid arguement, you gotta take two things into account. For one, most people were expectin the Cavs to still finish in the end of the league...nobody would have expected them to have been in 6th place in March, even though they slipped from there. Also, even if you say one year doesn't mean much, Melo had already been to the NCAA finals, so he was much more experienced. I know that he would already have much more leadership experience in that one year than Lebron had.
And to anybody sayin Melo averaged "more" points, tell me if you could notice 0.1 points more per game. Also, Lebron wasn't even a good shooter in high school, and people were thinkin he was gonna get like 10-15 points a game and be horrible at field goals, and he got a lot better. And bein a guard, and outta high school, it's kinda expected that he'd have a lotta turnovers.
Now as I said before, I think they shoulda gave them Co-ROY, because there are basically an equal amount of arguements to why each of em should have won the award. I like Lebron's game a lot more, as well as his attitude and his speaking abilities. I think many people voted for him because of all the expectations he overcame versus 100% what he did on the court, which can be good or bad. But personally, it seems like most people who are sayin he definitely shouldn't have won it, and are using every single thing they can to say he shouldn't have won it, are the same people before this season sayin "Lebron is gonna be the biggest bust in history, they overhyped him, he never should have got those big contracts, he's gonna suck, he was sorry in high school, he couldn't shoot good in HS and he is gonna get schooled in the NBA"
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lebron had more to work with? well, thats your opinion :)
Lebron did wrose in the lesser conference. If you can't get your team in the playoffs in the east, that's saying something.
Lebron is only 18 lol..came striaght out of highschool, Carmelo had a t least a year (i think it was only one) of college, so he had experience. But i do see why Carmelo should be rookie of the year...good points on both sides.
But i think that factor that made lebron rookie of the year was, meeting expectations and not breaking becuase of all the hype and pressure.
Lebron got 78 (i think) out of 112 votes. Well, done to Carmelo and Lebron for a great season. ;)
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Quotes from The French Dibbler.......
Quote from July 22, 2003:
"Lebron is Overrated"
July 23, 2003
"Kobe was more perpared for the NBA. He was more mature and his ego was no where near Lebron, so there's a greater chance of Lebron crashing and blowing up. Anthony will prove that he is the best player in the draft. "
July 14, 2003
"I feel that Anthony should've gone with the 1st pick and that LeBron should've gone to college because even if he was to be at a college like Duke, he would be such a better player having that year with coach K. But he didn't and I don't think he'll be as good everyone seems to think."
June 26, 2003
"I hope James is a bust. Anthony should've gone 1st or 2nd. "
- Now I see why he finds any possible reason to knock Lebron. He was sayin negative shit about him before he even played. I am not tryin to start any kind of dumb ass net beef, but lemme just ask you...what all do you have against Lebron?
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I just simply think he was overrated as hell...I seriously think Kareem Rush could have done just as good as LeBron did, if he played on Cleveland this season, and was pushed as hard as LeBron was...
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LeBron got the title...
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I just simply think he was overrated as hell...I seriously think Kareem Rush could have done just as good as LeBron did, if he played on Cleveland this season, and was pushed as hard as LeBron was...
A lot of people said he was overrated. Personally, I think he was overhyped like a maaaaaafucka, but I definitely don't think he was overrated. Nobody even expected him to do this good. Everything they say about him is pretty much true...they didn't say he could shoot as good as Jordan and Carter and pass as good as Magic, they compared his qualities to them and they said he miight become as good as them.
But as far as them pushin Kareem Rush like that...I don't think he would have done as good overall, maybe as far as shootin he could have. But also, Kareem Rush is some years older and had college experience. Kobe is my favorite player, so is Magic, but I don't even think they would have done as good as him if they had the hype and the push that Lebron did in their first year, sayin if Magic had came out of high school instead of college. And many scouts and all said Lebron was the best high school player they had ever seen.
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I just simply think he was overrated as hell...I seriously think Kareem Rush could have done just as good as LeBron did, if he played on Cleveland this season, and was pushed as hard as LeBron was...
lol Kareem Rush fans are hard to come by, glad to have u on side NIK, wat about his lil' show he put on in Game2? 8)
Carmelo had a more stable environment, whereas James was thrown around, new players added/others traded, yet he still managed those numbers? I prefer Melo, but you can't say LeBron doesnt deserve the award. A draw would of been nice, but for that to happen the votes have to tie exactly, and that is very rare (Hill & JKidd got lucky).
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lebron was way better
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lebron was way better
Carmelo had the better Rookie Year.