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Title: Trauma
Post by: Don Breezio on April 20, 2004, 09:33:16 PM
ok...trauma you've said a lot of stuff in the past without backing it up...but i can't let this one slide...i want you to explain this:

http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?board=2;action=display;threadid=50896 (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?board=2;action=display;threadid=50896)
Title: Re:Trauma
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on April 20, 2004, 09:47:45 PM
Don't expect him to reply...
Title: Re:Trauma
Post by: JTSimon on April 20, 2004, 10:02:00 PM
 ;D lol this is when he usually stops posting.
Title: Re:Trauma
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on April 20, 2004, 10:07:29 PM
^Stop changing your name everyday. It's getting annoying.
Title: Re:Trauma
Post by: Woodrow on April 20, 2004, 10:19:49 PM
Stick to selling Cell phones...

Complete Debunkings of BFC
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David Hardy, Former Lawyer for the Interior Department:
- http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

Dave Kopel, “National Review” magazine:
- http://www.nationalreview.com/kopel/kopel040403.asp

Richard Bushnell, Reporter, Editorialist, and owner of "Richwatch.com":
- http://www.bowlingfortruth.com (provides scene-by-scene expose’)


Debunkings of "Wacko Attacko" and other BFC-Defenses
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"Wacko Attacko" by Michael Moore:
- http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/wackoattacko/index.php
Debunkings (by Myself, David Hardy, and Richard Bushnell):
- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0310793/board/nest/5729452
- http://www.hardylaw.net/replytomoore.html
- http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/bowlingforcolumbine/wackoattacko.htm

"A Defense of Michael Moore" by Erik Moller
- http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/8/12/171427/607
Debunking (by Myself):
- http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0601619/board/nest/3465045

"The Truth About 'Truth About Bowling for Columbine'" by Tim Dudley
- http://www.bigsugar.wrestling-fan.com/truthaboutbowling.html
Debunking (by Myself):
- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0310793/board/nest/4338868

The often heard "If He's Lying, why hasn't he been sued?" argument:
He IS being sued; CNN:
- http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/10/29/nichols.ap/
WHY he can't successfully be sued (by Myself):
- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0310793/board/nest/5729452#5790052



Scene-Specific Debunkings
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The $245 Million was for food and first-aid:
Colin Powell
- http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2001/2928.htm
Elise Labott, CNN:
- http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/05/17/us.afghanistan.aid/index.html
U.S. Department of State:
- http://usembassy.state.gov/posts/pk1/wwwh00120801.html
- http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/3972.pdf
Brendan Nyhan, Spinsanity.org:
- http://www.spinsanity.org/posts/200106-3.html#12a
- http://www.spinsanity.org/post.html?2001_09_16_archive.html#5742282

What the Littleton LHM-plant REALLY does:
Michael W. Phillips, Jr.:
- http://www.geocities.com/evil_spoon/articles/bowlingforlockheed.htm

What Heston REALLY said in his "Hoya" interview:
Tim Sullivan, “The Hoya”:
- http://www.thehoya.com/news/033100/news3.htm

What the "48 Hours" line REALLY said:
Archive of “48 Hours” page (via http://www.archive.org):
-http://web.archive.org/web/20001003020449/http://www.nrahq.org/administration/publications/tag/article2.shtml
Heston's ACTUAL speech:
David Hardy, Former Lawyer for the Interior-Department:
- http://www.hardylaw.net/Bowlingtranscript.html(side-by-side comparison)
Worldnetdaily.com:
- http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=16127

What the "Willie Horton" ad(s) REALLY looked like:
American Museum of Moving Image:
- http://www.ammi.org/cgi-bin/video/years.cgi?1988,15,ss,, ("Revolving-Door Prison" ad)
- http://www.ammi.org/cgi-bin/video/years.cgi?1988,17,ss,, ("Willie Horton" ad)

The ACTUAL statistics:
FBI, "Nationmaster", "GunCite", and Bureau of Justice:
- http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/01cius.htm
- http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur_wit_fir
- http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur_wit_fir_cap
- http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvinco.html
- http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/ascii/hvfsdaft.txt

Heston is NOT a racist:
Henry Levy, "Jewish Post of New York": (Heston wins CORE's "MLK Jr." award)
- http://www.jewishpost.com/jp0703/jpbr0703a.htm
"Montgomery Citizens":
- http://www.mcsm.org/hestonMLK.html
"HestFest": (some of Heston's Civil-Rights achievements):
- http://marhew.tripod.com/hestfest/id3.html

In-Depth Debunkings of BFC
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Ben Fritz, “Orange County Register”: (Requires Free-Membership)
- http://www2.ocregister.com/ocrweb/ocr/article.do?id=20211§ion=COMMENTARY&
year=2003&month=1& (change "§" to "&-s-e-c-t", minus the dashes)

Ben Fritz, "Spinsanity" organization (Watchdog Group for Political Rhetoric):
- http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20021119.html

Anthony Zoubek, “The Daily Vidette:
- http://www.dailyvidette.com/news/406627.html
- http://www.dailyvidette.com/news/413482.html
- http://www.dailyvidette.com/news/417763.html

Kay S. Hymowitz, “City Journal”:
- http://www.city-journal.org/html/13_3_michael_moore.html


Brief/Partial Debunkings
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Andrew Sullivan, “Andrewsullivan.com” and “Sunday Times of London”:
- http://www.andrewsullivan.com/main_article.php?artnum=20021208

John Fund, “The Wall Street Journal”:
- http://www.opinionjournal.com/forms/printThis.html?id=110003233

Mike Pesca, "On the Media":
- http://www.wnyc.org/onthemedia/transcripts/transcripts_120602_more.html

Garance Franke-Ruta, "The American Prospect" (A Democratic Magazine):
- http://www.prospect.org/webfeatures/2002/11/franke-ruta-g-11-22.html

Tim Blair, “The Australian” (newspaper):
- http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/printpage/0,5942,5763232,00.html (criticizes both Moore AND Moore’s detractors)
- http://timblair.blogspot.com/2002_12_08_timblair_archive.html#85641893

Andy Patrizio, “IGN.com”:
- http://dvd.ign.com/articles/430/430335p1.html?fromint=1

Joseph Farah, "Worldnetdaily.com":
- http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=32217
- http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34367

Debbie Schlussel, Tech Central Station:
- http://www.techcentralstation.com/1051/defensewrapper.jsp?PID=1051-350&CID=1051-032503B

Matt Labash, “The Weekly Standard” magazine:
- http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/001/831ojymx.asp

Roger Ebert:
- http://www.suntimes.com/output/answ-man/sho-sunday-ebert23.html (responds to Moore)
- http://www.itsthecatsass.com/newboard/messages/37982.htm (answers Q's about BFC)

Brendan Nyhan, "Spinsanity":
- http://www.spinsanity.org/post.html?2003_08_31_archive.html#1062477905999081

Matthew Randazzo, IV, “Whateverdude.com”:
- http://www.whatever-dude.com/posts/327.shtml

Chuck Muth, "OpinionEditorials.com":
- http://www.opinioneditorials.com/guestcontributors/muth_20030425.html

Edward Johnson-Ott, "All-Reviews.com" (movie-review site):
- http://www.all-reviews.com/videos-5/bowling-for-columbine-5.htm (gives the movie a POSITIVE review)

Peter Wicks, "The Observer":
- http://www.nd.edu/~observer/04032003/Viewpoint/0.html

Daniel Lyons, “Forbes” magazine:
- http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2002/1209/059.html?_requestid=2372&_requestid=6287
- http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2002/1209/059.html?_requestid=2372 (Requires $3 purchase)



Debunkings by Pro-Gun Sites
(Keep in mind, pro-gun bias does not invalidate cold-hard facts.)

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James O. E. Norell, “NRA” (National Rifle Association) website:
- http://www.nrahq.org/publications/tag/feature6.asp

Larry Pratt, “gunowners.org”:
- http://gunowners.org/opmooretb.htm

Nicki Fellenzer, "Armed Females of America":
- http://www.armedfemalesofamerica.com/takingaim/idolworship.htm


Other BFC-Related Bits
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Moore invites victims' families to "preview screening", then charges admission:
Ann M. Ketcher, letter to "Rocky Mountain News":
- http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/opinion/article/0,1299,DRMN_38_2356875,00.html

Moore deceives Academy on purely technical grounds:
Joseph Farah, "Worldnetdaily.com":
- http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34367



Debunkings of Moore's non-BFC works/statements
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"Dude, Where's My Country?"
Bryan Keefer, "Spinsanity" Organization (Watchdog Group for Political Rhetoric):
- http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20031016.html
- http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20031016b.html
Richard Bushnell, Reporter, Editorialist, and owner of "Richwatch.com":
- http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/dude.htm
David Hardy, Former Lawyer for the Interior Department:
- http://www.mooreexposed.com/dwmc.html (page under construction

"Stupid White Men"
Ben Fritz, "Spinsanity" Organization:
- http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20020403.html
Ben Fritz, "Salon" Magazine and "Salon.com": (Requires Paid-Membership)
- http://www.salon.com/politics/col/spinsanity/2002/04/03/moore/index_np.html
David Hardy, Former Lawyer for the Interior Department:
- http://www.mooreexposed.com/swm.html

Fahrenheit 9/11
David Hardy, Former Lawyer for the Interior Department:
- http://www.mooreexposed.com/f911.html (page in preparation)

"Downsize This!"
"Update Ghost", Epinions.com:
- http://www.epinions.com/content_118225800836

The "USA Patriot Act"; What it REALLY does vs. What Moore SAYS it does:
Jonah Goldberg, "National Review Online":
- http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/moore/online/patriotact.htm

Debunking Moore's "Post-9/11 FBI-Flight" Tale
Barbara and David P. Mikkelson, “Snopes.com” (Urban-Legends reference page):
- http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flight.htm

Debunking one of Moore's letters to Bush
Brian Carnell, "Leftwatch.com":
- http://www.leftwatch.com/articles/2003/000004.html


Other Stuff
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Anti-Moore Sites:
Various columnists and contributors:
- http://www.moorewatch.com (contains OVER 300 articles)
- http://www.mooreexposed.com
- http://www.moorelies.com

Moore (famous for filming people without consent) files a complaint against a man for filming MOORE without consent:
John Tierney, "The New York Times":
- http://www.nytimes.com/library/national/regional/061700ny-col-tierney.html
Opinion Telegraph (profile, no author):
- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2003/03/30/do3009.xml

Moore is caught in a lie about how many media-appearances he made:
Tim Blair, "The Australian":
- http://timblair.blogspot.com/2002_12_01_timblair_archive.html#85345233

"Michael Moore Enjoying Corporate High-Life"
Carl Limbacher and "Newsmax.com" staff:
- http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2003/10/31/173730.shtml

"Michael & Me"; Moore refuses to be interviewed about his alleged lying:
Joseph Farah, Worldnetdaily.com:
- http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34397

"Is Film-Maker Michael Moore a Bigot?"
Larry Elder, Author of "Showdown" and "The Ten Things You Can't Say in America":
- http://www.townhall.com/columnists/larryelder/le20030116.shtml

The origins of "The List" in "Stupid White Men":
Ben Fritz, "Spinsanity" organization (Watchdog Group for Political Rhetoric):
- http://www.spinsanity.org/post.html?2002_04_07_archive.html#75241524

Debunking various statements made by Moore:
Bryan Keefer, “Spinsanity”:
- http://www.spinsanity.org/post.html?2002_06_23_archive.html#85204379
Gregory Markle, "Realpolitik.us":
- http://realpolitik.us/archives/000309.php#000309

Some hypocritical statements made by Moore:
Tim Blair, "Fox News":
- http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,48562,00.html
"Celebrity Hypocrites":
- http://www.celebrityhypocrites.com/mmoore.html

Politics and Hypocrisy in Hollywood:
Jan Golab, “Front Page Magazine”:
- http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=6617

Moore attempts to hide a statement he made:
Paul Boutin, "Wired" magazine and "Wired.com":
- http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,56524,00.html

Interviews in which Moore evades criticism and double-talks:
Lou Dobbs, CNN’s “Moneyline with Lou Dobbs”:
- http://www.cnn.com/transcripts/0204/12/mlld.00.html
Buchanon and Press:
- http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/955443.asp?cp1=1


This is all from:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0310793/board/nest/2988799
Title: Re:Trauma
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on April 20, 2004, 10:21:16 PM
^^Can someone please sum this up for me...LOL
Title: Re:Trauma
Post by: Don Breezio on April 20, 2004, 10:25:31 PM
i'm not asking him to believe the facts micheal moore presented...i'm asking him to explain to me what (morally) he didn't agree with in that movie.
Title: Re:Trauma
Post by: ArmoLeb24 on April 20, 2004, 10:27:49 PM
^^Can someone please sum this up for me...LOL

I can sum it up in 4 words for you:

TYPICAL CONSERVATIVE BULLSHIT PROPAGANDA
Title: Re:Trauma
Post by: Don Breezio on April 20, 2004, 10:28:52 PM
^^Can someone please sum this up for me...LOL

I can sum it up in 4 words for you:

TYPICAL CONSERVATIVE BULLSHIT PROPAGANDA

lmao thankyou
Title: Re:Trauma
Post by: ArmoLeb24 on April 20, 2004, 10:30:21 PM
i'm not asking him to believe the facts micheal moore presented...i'm asking him to explain to me what (morally) he didn't agree with in that movie.

Your last words in that thread sum it up perfectly. He's a pussy, a coward, etc. If you want more proof of what I just said, check this out:

http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=42108;start=msg475093#msg475093 (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=42108;start=msg475093#msg475093)


And I'm not even mentioning all the threads he's been sonned on, and left without saying a word.
Title: Re:Trauma
Post by: Woodrow on April 20, 2004, 10:44:23 PM
^^Can someone please sum this up for me...LOL

I can sum it up in 4 words for you:

TYPICAL CONSERVATIVE BULLSHIT PROPAGANDA

Hey Jamal..

(http://starterupsteve.servepics.com/funny3/cool2.jpg)
Title: Re:Trauma
Post by: JTSimon on April 21, 2004, 05:50:02 AM
^Stop changing your name everyday. It's getting annoying.

Ohhh ok  ::)
Title: Re:Trauma
Post by: Trauma-san on April 21, 2004, 07:11:45 AM
i'm not asking him to believe the facts micheal moore presented...i'm asking him to explain to me what (morally) he didn't agree with in that movie.

First off, you're making a mountain out of a molehill.  "REFUTE THIS!!!" "WHAT DONT YOU MORALLY AGREE WITH???!@!!???/"  


I never said I morally disagreed with the movie.  I never said anything in the movie was false, although most likely it all is, lol.  I haven't even seen the movie, and I never will see the movie.  Why?


Michael Moore makes it a practice to make money off dogging the conservative whitehouse.  He is a liberal.  He has a 1 sided view of everything, in his opinion, no conservative can do right, and no liberal can do wrong.  The man makes me sick, just looking at his fat slimey liberal ass.  I'm getting a sick feeling in my stomach from this putrid piece of shit right now.  You'll never catch me dead watching the movie, because it's entire purpose is to blame the government, for what happened at Columbine.  

In my opinion, what happened at Columbine was a personal problem these kids had, and the lack of good parental skills by their parents.  Therefore, the entire premise of Michael Moore's movie is invalid.

Like I said though, I didn't even say I morally disagreed with it.  I said that it's liberal bullshit like this that shouldn't be taught in schools.  I mentioned they should review Rush Limbaugh's new book; that would be equally out of place, wouldn't it?  You'd never dream of reading Rush's book in school, because it's political, and school shouldn't be political.  The same thing with Moore's bullshit liberal, political, movie.  It has NO place in a school system.

Go around saying whatever you want about me, but the truth is, like usual, I'm right.   All of you that said I wouldn't reply, obviously don't know me well; and, you're wrong.  LOL.  


So, to sum it up for the intellectulally inferior, I never said whatever the fuck you've variously attributed to me on this statement, all I said was the movie was liberal bullshit that has no place in a school.  I stand by that, and if you ask any school teacher, they'll tell you the same thing; politics don't belong in a school.  

This movie tells kids that they're not responsible for killing other kids, lol I mean what the fuck is wrong with the world?  
Title: Re:Trauma
Post by: bez on April 21, 2004, 08:18:59 AM
i'm not asking him to believe the facts micheal moore presented...i'm asking him to explain to me what (morally) he didn't agree with in that movie.

First off, you're making a mountain out of a molehill.  "REFUTE THIS!!!" "WHAT DONT YOU MORALLY AGREE WITH???!@!!???/"  


I never said I morally disagreed with the movie.  I never said anything in the movie was false, although most likely it all is, lol.  I haven't even seen the movie, and I never will see the movie.  Why?


Michael Moore makes it a practice to make money off dogging the conservative whitehouse.  He is a liberal.  He has a 1 sided view of everything, in his opinion, no conservative can do right, and no liberal can do wrong.  The man makes me sick, just looking at his fat slimey liberal ass.  I'm getting a sick feeling in my stomach from this putrid piece of shit right now.  You'll never catch me dead watching the movie, because it's entire purpose is to blame the government, for what happened at Columbine.  

In my opinion, what happened at Columbine was a personal problem these kids had, and the lack of good parental skills by their parents.  Therefore, the entire premise of Michael Moore's movie is invalid.

Like I said though, I didn't even say I morally disagreed with it.  I said that it's liberal bullshit like this that shouldn't be taught in schools.  I mentioned they should review Rush Limbaugh's new book; that would be equally out of place, wouldn't it?  You'd never dream of reading Rush's book in school, because it's political, and school shouldn't be political.  The same thing with Moore's bullshit liberal, political, movie.  It has NO place in a school system.

Go around saying whatever you want about me, but the truth is, like usual, I'm right.   All of you that said I wouldn't reply, obviously don't know me well; and, you're wrong.  LOL.  


So, to sum it up for the intellectulally inferior, I never said whatever the fuck you've variously attributed to me on this statement, all I said was the movie was liberal bullshit that has no place in a school.  I stand by that, and if you ask any school teacher, they'll tell you the same thing; politics don't belong in a school.  

This movie tells kids that they're not responsible for killing other kids, lol I mean what the fuck is wrong with the world?  


Your problem is you think your right about everything.  Having an opinion doesn't mean that yours is right, its just one of many.  Personally I think your a dumbass for commenting on the film when you ain't even seen it.  Just because you seem to take a strange standpoint with subjects you think your better than everyone else.  Believe me everyone could come onto these boards and make themselves look extremely intelligent by typing loads of bollocks, exactly like you do.  You type utter SHIT.

First off, you're making a mountain out of a molehill.  

Thats the biggest contradiction I have ever seen on these boards.  Mr. I'm gunna amke a twat out of myself arguing over the whole Kill Bez thing, thats making a mountain out of a molehill dumbass.

To back yourself up you just use stupid dumbass shit, instead of typing your own thoughts and opinions you don't.  You type stuff that you think will make yourself look better, and prove to all of us that your so smart and intelligent.  FOOLIO!
Title: Re:Trauma
Post by: Don Breezio on April 21, 2004, 11:16:38 AM
lmao...after i read this:

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I haven't even seen the movie, and I never will see the movie.  Why?

i only scanned through what you said because you lost all credibility over arguing anything in this movie...but i'd like to point out one thing i did read that you said:

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In my opinion, what happened at Columbine was a personal problem these kids had, and the lack of good parental skills by their parents.  Therefore, the entire premise of Michael Moore's movie is invalid.

you fucking idiot...that was michael moores point in the movie jackass! his point was that people need to stop blaming marilyn manson for it and start blaming who's really at fault.

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This movie tells kids that they're not responsible for killing other kids, lol I mean what the fuck is wrong with the world?  

i would love for you to watch this movie and show me where it says that...because this movie SAYS THE TOTAL OPPOSITE YOU FUCKING DUMBASS

wow trauma...i was actually willing to listen to a valid explanation if you had one...but you really are a dipshit.
Title: Re:Trauma
Post by: infinite59 on April 21, 2004, 03:12:08 PM
Let's be fair, the movie did point to some of the blame being on a government that practices aggresion and has historically been oppressive towards those that stand against it's will.  It also pointed to the sensationalism in our news media as being somewhat responsible.  But Luke is right that Micheal Moore just gives you different idea's but never decides for the viewer who is to blame.  The point of the movie is that he is trying to figure that out for himself and he never does.
Title: Re:Trauma
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on April 21, 2004, 03:36:57 PM
Let's be fair, the movie did point to some of the blame being on a government that practices aggresion and has historically been oppressive towards those that stand against it's will.  It also pointed to the sensationalism in our news media as being somewhat responsible.  But Luke is right that Micheal Moore just gives you different idea's but never decides for the viewer who is to blame.  The point of the movie is that he is trying to figure that out for himself and he never does.


And if Michael Moore was Muslim, this movie would be a classic...Right?
Title: Re:Trauma
Post by: Skindiana bon3z on April 21, 2004, 03:40:40 PM
Let's be fair, the movie did point to some of the blame being on a government that practices aggresion and has historically been oppressive towards those that stand against it's will.  It also pointed to the sensationalism in our news media as being somewhat responsible.  But Luke is right that Micheal Moore just gives you different idea's but never decides for the viewer who is to blame.  The point of the movie is that he is trying to figure that out for himself and he never does.


And if Michael Moore was Muslim, this movie would be a classic...Right?

LMFAO  :D
Title: Re:Trauma
Post by: Montana00 on April 21, 2004, 03:41:59 PM
im with trauma on this
Title: Re:Trauma
Post by: ZILLA THA GOODFELLA on April 21, 2004, 05:23:06 PM
Michael Moore doesn't BLAME nobody...

what tha fuc is goin on here? I can't believe Trauma, sittin there analyzing a movie he has not even watched. Moore asks simple questions, he asks why are we so violent? yes, we do have a violent history, but countries like Germany, Britain, Japan etc etc have an even more violent history...but what are their murder by gun rates? like 100 a year, japan like 23....but AMERICA? 11,000....he simply goes into it and expresses his ideas with alot of information supporting them....but he clearly states he does not know why we are so violent....he doesn't blame anyone....he states simple ass shit like selling 9mm bullets at K Mart is wrong, seeing brutal tragedies every fucin night on tha news is wrong, tha media scaring tha american public is wrong, everybody is afraid these days....he makes a FOOL out of Charlton Heston's dumb ass 2 tha point where he gets up and doesn't have nothing else 2 say....Dick Clarke's faggot ass too....

WATCH THE MOVIE....then come discuss in specifics what U find wrong, ....why does tha white dood disgust U anyway Trauma? he prolly looks just like U....aint tryin 2 make this personal but U have no valid points....so he's "liberal" ok so what??? who gives a fuc about that man made word....how bout REAL?









Title: Re:Trauma
Post by: Kill on April 21, 2004, 06:02:42 PM
Columbine massacre is where it starts, but the movie actually goes quite far beyond it. I always considered it a general examination of the subject of guns, murders by guns and crime and safety in general in America. Columbine is only a starting point

Trauma I'd love to see you pointin out where exactly that movie blames the whitehouse for Columbine and everybody else is considered an innocent victim, but damn, you'd have to watch it for that   ::)

Also first you say Moore thinks no conservative can ever do right and no liberal can ever do wrong. Well, Moore is definitely a liberal, but your statements make you just as apodictic and prejudiced as you blame him for bein cause 1. you judge a movie you ain't seen and 2. you keep usin "liberal" as a pejorative term all the time, so to me you clearly suggest that "liberals" by your definition are wrong, PERIOD, otherwise why should you use it as an offense? Where's the difference between you and what Moore allegedly is then?

Also you just suggested your opinion was to be considered right. Moore never said that. You call it "liberal bullshit", yet you dont know what point the "liberal" director is tryina get across or how. Youre truly prejudiced IMO
Title: Re:Trauma
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on April 22, 2004, 09:58:56 AM
Moore asks simple questions, he asks why are we so violent? yes, we do have a violent history, but countries like Germany, Britain, Japan etc etc have an even more violent history...but what are their murder by gun rates? like 100 a year, japan like 23....but AMERICA? 11,000....


The blame-America-firsters such as stupid white man Michael Moore try to depict the United States as a hotbed of murder and violence, but this time they're wronger than usual.

South Africa is the world's bloodiest nation, The Economist notes, with a shocking 114.8 murders for each 100,000 people, compared to only six in the U.S. and two in Japan, according to Interpol.

More than 21,000 South Africans were killed last year, "worse than some war zones."

Other countries that outkilled the U.S. on Interpol's list aren't a surprise: Brazil, Russia, Botswana, Zambia, Angola.

But here's one that might startle you: Sweden, supposedly the land of granola-munching socialist peaceniks, had 10 murders for every 100,000 people. Yes, Sweden is branching out and is no longer just Suicide Central.

Title: Re:Trauma
Post by: 7even on April 22, 2004, 10:51:48 AM
Moore asks simple questions, he asks why are we so violent? yes, we do have a violent history, but countries like Germany, Britain, Japan etc etc have an even more violent history...but what are their murder by gun rates? like 100 a year, japan like 23....but AMERICA? 11,000....


The blame-America-firsters such as stupid white man Michael Moore try to depict the United States as a hotbed of murder and violence, but this time they're wronger than usual.

South Africa is the world's bloodiest nation, The Economist notes, with a shocking 114.8 murders for each 100,000 people, compared to only six in the U.S. and two in Japan, according to Interpol.

More than 21,000 South Africans were killed last year, "worse than some war zones."

Other countries that outkilled the U.S. on Interpol's list aren't a surprise: Brazil, Russia, Botswana, Zambia, Angola.

But here's one that might startle you: Sweden, supposedly the land of granola-munching socialist peaceniks, had 10 murders for every 100,000 people. Yes, Sweden is branching out and is no longer just Suicide Central.



Lol, you wrote that? Sounds almost like an article
Dont forget to take into consideration America is supposed to be a civilized country, which these weird African and Latin-America ones definitly arent, lol.
Title: Re:Trauma
Post by: Kill on April 22, 2004, 04:18:43 PM
South Africa is the world's bloodiest nation, The Economist notes, with a shocking 114.8 murders for each 100,000 people, compared to only six in the U.S. and two in Japan, according to Interpol.

More than 21,000 South Africans were killed last year, "worse than some war zones."

Other countries that outkilled the U.S. on Interpol's list aren't a surprise: Brazil, Russia, Botswana, Zambia, Angola.

Yeah but I don't think he says the US got the highest crime rate of all, but considerin there's about 200 countries in the whole world out of which many got more poverty than the US, 7 countries with worse stats ain't that great