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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: A-Trak on May 15, 2004, 10:27:57 PM
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Damn, Tarver knocked Roy out in 2nd round. Certainlly a shocker.
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=1802517 (http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=1802517)
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WOW! I knew Tarver had a chance to win, but I didn't think he would KO Jones.
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wanted to see this so bad, i knew he had a chance, awesome
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i think roy was scared..knowin damn well if he woulda jus went on and whupped tarver...he woulda had to go up against tha black ivan drago (mike tyson)
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What A Shock
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Jones says he's retiring now
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Roy Jones has been over rated since day 1. Okay he's good, but to prove yourself to great you have compete in the "real" divisions, Heavy Weight, Welter Weight, Middle Weight. What the fuck is light heavy weight? It's a bullshit division for guys that can't cut it with the big boys. I'm glad he got KO'd, it's about time he fought a guy that wasn't a complete waste, (every light guy he's ever fought), or payed not throw any punches (Ruiz). To think he actually thought he could even stand in the same ring as Lennox, much less beat him, is absurd. Good for Tarver. Now let's hope he moves up a bit in weight and gets his assed kicked by a real fighter, a heavy weight fighter.
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^^Jones didn't start out in the lightweight division, he just moved up in weight over the years like many boxers have done.
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He moved up to what? In the entire history of boxing there have only been to prestigious divisions:
Welter/Middle Weight- La Motta, Robinson, Leonard, Hearns, Duran, Hagler, De La Hoya.
Heavy Weight- Marciano, Lewis, Ali, Liston, Foreman, Frasier, Tyson, Lennox Lewis.
light heavy weight? what the heel is that? It was division for clowns like Jones not to get there asses kicked. Rocky boxed at about 185 lbs, and he was a Heavy Weight. Why change it for guys like Jones? I'm not even saying he should have been fighting Tyson and Holyfield. If he had dropped to 150-155 and beat guys like De La Hoya, Trinidad, and Mosely, then he would have earned my respect. But name me one competent, good fighter he ever faced. When he fought Hopkins, Hopkins was too young and not fully matured.
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man it was a bomb ass fight i think jones got wat he asked for talkin all big and shit like he cant be beat now look at him boy U GOT KNOCKED THE FUCK OUTTT!!!!
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i'm glad he got served. just like vargas......talked mad shit and got knocked out
i still hope he wants to fight tyson so he could give tyson could go crazy and bite out his vocal chords
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He moved up to what? In the entire history of boxing there have only been to prestigious divisions:
Welter/Middle Weight- La Motta, Robinson, Leonard, Hearns, Duran, Hagler, De La Hoya.
Heavy Weight- Marciano, Lewis, Ali, Liston, Foreman, Frasier, Tyson, Lennox Lewis.
light heavy weight? what the heel is that? It was division for clowns like Jones not to get there asses kicked. Rocky boxed at about 185 lbs, and he was a Heavy Weight. Why change it for guys like Jones? I'm not even saying he should have been fighting Tyson and Holyfield. If he had dropped to 150-155 and beat guys like De La Hoya, Trinidad, and Mosely, then he would have earned my respect. But name me one competent, good fighter he ever faced. When he fought Hopkins, Hopkins was too young and not fully matured.
What a dumb Fuck U really are
Jones started at Middle won the title Then went Super Middle Won the Title Then went Heavyweight Won a Title.
And I dont know where U get off saying he aint fought anyone
KEY FIGHTS
10/04/1993: Beats Bernard Hopkins to win IBF middleweight title in Washington
17/11/1994: Beats James Toney to win Super Middleweight title in Las Vegas
22/11/1996: Moves up to Light Heavyweight and beats Mike McCallum to win WBC title
21/3/1997: Loses to Montell Griffin after contraversial disqualification
7/8/1997: Knocks out Griffin in the first round to reclaim WBC Light Heavyweight title
18/7/1998: Beats Lou Del Valle to win WBA Light Heavyweight title
1999: Unifies WBC, WBA and IBF titles with win over Reggie Johnson
1/3/2003 Beats John Ruiz to win WBA Heavyweight title
DONT EVEN TRY AND TEST ME WHEN IT COMES TO BOXING
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He moved up to what? In the entire history of boxing there have only been to prestigious divisions:
Welter/Middle Weight- La Motta, Robinson, Leonard, Hearns, Duran, Hagler, De La Hoya.
Heavy Weight- Marciano, Lewis, Ali, Liston, Foreman, Frasier, Tyson, Lennox Lewis.
light heavy weight? what the heel is that? It was division for clowns like Jones not to get there asses kicked. Rocky boxed at about 185 lbs, and he was a Heavy Weight. Why change it for guys like Jones? I'm not even saying he should have been fighting Tyson and Holyfield. If he had dropped to 150-155 and beat guys like De La Hoya, Trinidad, and Mosely, then he would have earned my respect. But name me one competent, good fighter he ever faced. When he fought Hopkins, Hopkins was too young and not fully matured.
Roy Jones started out as a middle weight. Jones just moved up in weight classes once he had beaten everyone in that division. You can't compare Rocky Marciano to Roy Jones because by then there weren't superheavyweigts like Klitschko, and Lewis for Rocky to face. If Jones was to fight Vitali, he would've gotten destoryed. It's not easy for a person to go from 199lbs to 155lbs moron, Jones is built more for increasing his weight and fighting, not decreasing his weight.
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He moved up to what? In the entire history of boxing there have only been to prestigious divisions:
Welter/Middle Weight- La Motta, Robinson, Leonard, Hearns, Duran, Hagler, De La Hoya.
Heavy Weight- Marciano, Lewis, Ali, Liston, Foreman, Frasier, Tyson, Lennox Lewis.
light heavy weight? what the heel is that? It was division for clowns like Jones not to get there asses kicked. Rocky boxed at about 185 lbs, and he was a Heavy Weight. Why change it for guys like Jones? I'm not even saying he should have been fighting Tyson and Holyfield. If he had dropped to 150-155 and beat guys like De La Hoya, Trinidad, and Mosely, then he would have earned my respect. But name me one competent, good fighter he ever faced. When he fought Hopkins, Hopkins was too young and not fully matured.
What a dumb Fuck U really are
Jones started at Middle won the title Then went Super Middle Won the Title Then went Heavyweight Won a Title.
And I dont know where U get off saying he aint fought anyone
KEY FIGHTS
10/04/1993: Beats Bernard Hopkins to win IBF middleweight title in Washington
17/11/1994: Beats James Toney to win Super Middleweight title in Las Vegas
22/11/1996: Moves up to Light Heavyweight and beats Mike McCallum to win WBC title
21/3/1997: Loses to Montell Griffin after contraversial disqualification
7/8/1997: Knocks out Griffin in the first round to reclaim WBC Light Heavyweight title
18/7/1998: Beats Lou Del Valle to win WBA Light Heavyweight title
1999: Unifies WBC, WBA and IBF titles with win over Reggie Johnson
1/3/2003 Beats John Ruiz to win WBA Heavyweight title
DONT EVEN TRY AND TEST ME WHEN IT COMES TO BOXING
First off beating Hopkins in '93 would be like beating Tyson in '83. He wasn't on his prime and still had a long way to go. Every other guy you mentioned was a chump. Except maybe Ruiz, but let's face it the guy wasn't throwing any punches in that fight, which probably means he was told to lose. That sort of stuff happens in boxing.
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He moved up to what? In the entire history of boxing there have only been to prestigious divisions:
Welter/Middle Weight- La Motta, Robinson, Leonard, Hearns, Duran, Hagler, De La Hoya.
Heavy Weight- Marciano, Lewis, Ali, Liston, Foreman, Frasier, Tyson, Lennox Lewis.
light heavy weight? what the heel is that? It was division for clowns like Jones not to get there asses kicked. Rocky boxed at about 185 lbs, and he was a Heavy Weight. Why change it for guys like Jones? I'm not even saying he should have been fighting Tyson and Holyfield. If he had dropped to 150-155 and beat guys like De La Hoya, Trinidad, and Mosely, then he would have earned my respect. But name me one competent, good fighter he ever faced. When he fought Hopkins, Hopkins was too young and not fully matured.
Roy Jones started out as a middle weight. Jones just moved up in weight classes once he had beaten everyone in that division. You can't compare Rocky Marciano to Roy Jones because by then there weren't superheavyweigts like Klitschko, and Lewis for Rocky to face. If Jones was to fight Vitali, he would've gotten destoryed. It's not easy for a person to go from 199lbs to 155lbs moron, Jones is built more for increasing his weight and fighting, not decreasing his weight.
Exactly, he started as a middle weight. Which means it wouldn't have been that hard for him to move down to welter or super welter. But he decided to move up, I'll never know why? I truly think he would have gotten more money and better competition moving down.
Jones vs De La Hoya- Big Money (could have multiple bouts)
Jones vs Trinidad- Not too bad money
Jones vs Mosely- very good money (also multiple bouts)
Jones vs Mayorga(if he didn't lose to Spinks)- Great Money (hell of a fight)
Jones vs Spinks- decent money
Jones vs Hopkins rematch- very very great money
If Jones had fought and beaten all these guys then he could have been considered the greatest little man in the history of Boxing, but he chose another path. Pound for Pound? What the hell does that mean anyway?
Nobody expects Jones to beat the really big guys, but I tell ya right now Marciano and Louis would have gotten in that ring with Vitale and by God either oine would have beat him. Jones just has to realize he's not cut out to run with the big boys. And that's that.
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He moved up to what? In the entire history of boxing there have only been to prestigious divisions:
Welter/Middle Weight- La Motta, Robinson, Leonard, Hearns, Duran, Hagler, De La Hoya.
Heavy Weight- Marciano, Lewis, Ali, Liston, Foreman, Frasier, Tyson, Lennox Lewis.
light heavy weight? what the heel is that? It was division for clowns like Jones not to get there asses kicked. Rocky boxed at about 185 lbs, and he was a Heavy Weight. Why change it for guys like Jones? I'm not even saying he should have been fighting Tyson and Holyfield. If he had dropped to 150-155 and beat guys like De La Hoya, Trinidad, and Mosely, then he would have earned my respect. But name me one competent, good fighter he ever faced. When he fought Hopkins, Hopkins was too young and not fully matured.
Roy Jones started out as a middle weight. Jones just moved up in weight classes once he had beaten everyone in that division. You can't compare Rocky Marciano to Roy Jones because by then there weren't superheavyweigts like Klitschko, and Lewis for Rocky to face. If Jones was to fight Vitali, he would've gotten destoryed. It's not easy for a person to go from 199lbs to 155lbs moron, Jones is built more for increasing his weight and fighting, not decreasing his weight.
Exactly, he started as a middle weight. Which means it wouldn't have been that hard for him to move down to welter or super welter. But he decided to move up, I'll never know why? I truly think he would have gotten more money and better competition moving down.
Jones vs De La Hoya- Big Money (could have multiple bouts)
Jones vs Trinidad- Not too bad money
Jones vs Mosely- very good money (also multiple bouts)
Jones vs Mayorga(if he didn't lose to Spinks)- Great Money (hell of a fight)
Jones vs Spinks- decent money
Jones vs Hopkins rematch- very very great money
If Jones had fought and beaten all these guys then he could have been considered the greatest little man in the history of Boxing, but he chose another path. Pound for Pound? What the hell does that mean anyway?
Nobody expects Jones to beat the really big guys, but I tell ya right now Marciano and Louis would have gotten in that ring with Vitale and by God either oine would have beat him. Jones just has to realize he's not cut out to run with the big boys. And that's that.
He started out as a middle wieght and moved up. But thing you don't seem to understand like I said before its not easy moving back down in weight because your body gets used to the extra being there, and Jones hasn't been weatlerweight or middle weight size in a while. If you look at Jones' weight he should be in the cursierweight division.
Maricano wasn't big enough to fight the guys of today. Back in the 50s 185 was a regular weight for heavyweights, but now that weight is in between lightweight and cruiserweight, since the 50s guys have gotten bigger not smaller, that's why the lightess heavyweight is Evander Holyfield at 215.
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He moved up to what? In the entire history of boxing there have only been to prestigious divisions:
Welter/Middle Weight- La Motta, Robinson, Leonard, Hearns, Duran, Hagler, De La Hoya.
Heavy Weight- Marciano, Lewis, Ali, Liston, Foreman, Frasier, Tyson, Lennox Lewis.
light heavy weight? what the heel is that? It was division for clowns like Jones not to get there asses kicked. Rocky boxed at about 185 lbs, and he was a Heavy Weight. Why change it for guys like Jones? I'm not even saying he should have been fighting Tyson and Holyfield. If he had dropped to 150-155 and beat guys like De La Hoya, Trinidad, and Mosely, then he would have earned my respect. But name me one competent, good fighter he ever faced. When he fought Hopkins, Hopkins was too young and not fully matured.
Roy Jones started out as a middle weight. Jones just moved up in weight classes once he had beaten everyone in that division. You can't compare Rocky Marciano to Roy Jones because by then there weren't superheavyweigts like Klitschko, and Lewis for Rocky to face. If Jones was to fight Vitali, he would've gotten destoryed. It's not easy for a person to go from 199lbs to 155lbs moron, Jones is built more for increasing his weight and fighting, not decreasing his weight.
Exactly, he started as a middle weight. Which means it wouldn't have been that hard for him to move down to welter or super welter. But he decided to move up, I'll never know why? I truly think he would have gotten more money and better competition moving down.
Jones vs De La Hoya- Big Money (could have multiple bouts)
Jones vs Trinidad- Not too bad money
Jones vs Mosely- very good money (also multiple bouts)
Jones vs Mayorga(if he didn't lose to Spinks)- Great Money (hell of a fight)
Jones vs Spinks- decent money
Jones vs Hopkins rematch- very very great money
If Jones had fought and beaten all these guys then he could have been considered the greatest little man in the history of Boxing, but he chose another path. Pound for Pound? What the hell does that mean anyway?
Nobody expects Jones to beat the really big guys, but I tell ya right now Marciano and Louis would have gotten in that ring with Vitale and by God either oine would have beat him. Jones just has to realize he's not cut out to run with the big boys. And that's that.
He started out as a middle wieght and moved up. But thing you don't seem to understand like I said before its not easy moving back down in weight because your body gets used to the extra being there, and Jones hasn't been weatlerweight or middle weight size in a while. If you look at Jones' weight he should be in the cursierweight division.
Maricano wasn't big enough to fight the guys of today. Back in the 50s 185 was a regular weight for heavyweights, but now that weight is in between lightweight and cruiserweight, since the 50s guys have gotten bigger not smaller, that's why the lightess heavyweight is Evander Holyfield at 215.
1) I didn't mean Jones should move down now, I meant he never should have moved up in the first place. It's too late now.
2) Don't doubt the Rock my friend. Also you have to understand that if Rocky Marciano grew up in today's system with today's weight training and supplements he wouldn't be 185 lbs, he would have easily been 210 lbs atleast. The same goes for Joe Louis.
I always hate it when people compare the past athletes to the present ones and automaticaally assume goes guys couldn't compete. A star is a star, no matter what. If Ty Cobb played today he'd still be the best. If Bill Russel played today Shaq would have some real trouble. If Sam Snead played today Tiger Woods and friends would have a lot less paychecks. If a Wayne Gretzky played today.....well thats all I need to say about the Great One, and if Joe Louis fought today Vitale would be on the next boat back to Germany (I know he's not German, but he made his name there).
Some idiot actually tried to convince me once that the only reason Babe Ruth had all those home runs was because the average pitcher back then could only throw between 75-80 mph. Let me tell you that if that were the case, he'd have over 2000 home runs instead of 700.
One more thing about old time boxers. If there so much bigger and stronger now then how come no one can punch as hard as a guy from 35 years ago. A guy by the name of George Foreman. In my opinion the toughest guy to ever set foot in the ring. Unbeatable if he wants to be. The Ali fight was fixed.
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^^^You started the comparing stuff, by comparing Roy Jones with Marciano. You said that Marciano was a heavyweight at 185, than Jones could be a heaveyweight at 199. So you did the same thing you said you hated.
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^^^You started the comparing stuff, by comparing Roy Jones with Marciano. You said that Marciano was a heavyweight at 185, than Jones could be a heaveyweight at 199. So you did the same thing you said you hated.
What I am trying to imply is that I think Marciano would have been bigger than 185 today, and that I think he really could have been a major Heavy Weight. While Jones is proven that he can'y go with the big boys, and he never will.
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^^^You started the comparing stuff, by comparing Roy Jones with Marciano. You said that Marciano was a heavyweight at 185, than Jones could be a heaveyweight at 199. So you did the same thing you said you hated.
What I am trying to imply is that I think Marciano would have been bigger than 185 today, and that I think he really could have been a major Heavy Weight. While Jones is proven that he can'y go with the big boys, and he never will.
He's only face one heavyweight and he dominated him. And he's still trying to get fights with Tyson, and Holyfield.
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Like I said before, I think the whole Ruiz thing was fixed. He was probably told not to throw any hard punches Roy's way. Tyson would only have to hit him twice to take him out for good, and Holyfield is so far gone I think I'd have a chance against him.
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Shallow Face it U know Fuck all about Boxing.
U talk about going down weights as if it's Fuck all
Most fighters today strugle making weight 4 there class. And U wanted a guy to go 2 or 3 weights lower then what he really is.
This is just not possible
I go Boxing 3 nights a week Maybe U should go then talk.
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Like I said before, I don't think he can go down to 150 lbs now, but ten years ago when was about 170 lbs, it would not have been to farfetched.
Tito Ortiz of the UFC walks around at about 230 lbs. but when fight time comes around he drops to 203 lbs. That's 27 lbs. Ken Shamrock used to be 245lbs. but he also dropped to about 205 lbs to fight Tito.
Also Sugar Ray Leonard would move up and down from welter to super middle all the time. Roy Jones is not a naturally big guy, he's got a small frame, which means 150-160 is not a big deal for him. Lennox Lewis on the other hand would have great deal of problems being anything but a heavy weight.
Just beacuse "you" find it hard to lose weight does not mean it's not possible.
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there is gonna be a rematch right? because they're fight series is tied 1-1 ;D
Tarver better give Jones a rematch ..i would like to see a fight this time
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It depends on what "the powers that be" want to happen. If they want to promote Tarver as the new guy in boxing, then don't expect a rematch. Remember when Ali scored one of the biggest upsets in boxing, knocking out Foreman, there was no rematch, ever.
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somone post a video clip of this plz :'(
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Jones has been talkin mad shit for years and never had to prove himself. He has never fought a major contender. I give him credit though, he made his career and money off of hype and his mouth. That's my opinion. Now he has to prove that Tarver just got him with a lucky punch by beating him.