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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Nima - Dubcnn.com on May 23, 2004, 03:11:38 AM
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Ok first, ya'll remember that MTV article about 213 right? Where Warren G said that he didn't produce any songs on the album "because he wanted to concentrate more on his rhymes" right?
Right, well straight out of Warren's mouth, he said he NEVER said that! "That's bullshit, did you ever hear me say that? Or Snoop? Bullshit."
So apparently MTV go head and take quotes from the artists representatives, PR-managers, and put together articles. So when from now on when we read some shit in articles, don't always believe it! Warren said he has no clue why he don't have any songs on there, Snoop didn't talk to him about it.
Also, something else is, I saw that thread about the Bad Azz Executive Decisionz album covers where everbody was saying the covers are wack (Yes, i agree, they're HORRIBLE!). Ok well the situation with Bad Azz is fucked up right now, the label (D3/Navarre) isn't taking to him, he doesn't know the status on his album. It was suposed to drop in Novemeber, then December, then January, then March, then April, then May, then June 1st, and now it's July 20th, and by the looks of it they're fucking him over. Bad doesn't even know about the releases dates, he said he read it on dubcnn, and THEN has to call label to see what's going on and find out it's true.
And about the covers, when he signed with them, he gave the label a CD with 150 pictures to use, and the results you see on the album covers is the horrible work of the labels designers. Bad Azz hasn't even seen none of those covers! He don't even know what his own album cover that's being advertised looks like!
Also, the single we heard on the radio "What I'm Spillin'" wasn't Bad's choice neither, and now they pressed "Round N Round" on vinyl, hey he didn't know about that neither!
So this is how crazy this shit is with the labels.
Let me see if I can find some more examples... Oh yeah, Spice 1.
Ya'll know Spice 1 & MC Eiht are releasing their duo album, called "The Pioneers". Well anybody with a little knowledge knows their duo track "Tha Murda Show" and was hoping for the album to be callled "Tha Murda Show", and that's what both Spice and Eiht wanted it to be called too.. Well the dude who made the album cover didn't know, and just named it that, and now the covers are pressed, and Spice pissed off, lol.
I mean I know it's Spice and Eihts fault too for not taking care of it, but still it's just weird, cause for many people this album is one of the most anticipated, and when the title is chosen by some designer, you know there's something wrong!!!
Nima
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ayy Nima, PHANTOM from 580 West Designs did that Spice 1 & Eiht cover....that cover fucin sux....but I believe the CEO of real talk ent or whoever puttin that album out ordered him 2 do it....he wanted it like that, dats why there's a whole old western theme in the background....
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Damn, that's fucked up :-X
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ayy Nima, PHANTOM from 580 West Designs did that Spice 1 & Eiht cover....that cover fucin sux....but I believe the CEO of real talk ent or whoever puttin that album out ordered him 2 do it....he wanted it like that, dats why there's a whole old western theme in the background....
yeah well i dunno bout that but i know that spice was liek "aw man i know we wanted it to be murda show too but the dudes who did the cover put it like that"
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thanks for that, i knew the industry was fucked up, but i never knew that even the album covers and singles arent even in control of the artists......
...thats unlucky for bad azz this dudes gona be underated and held down all his career by the looks of it
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Thanks 4 pointing that out specially the mtv bit.
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That shit's gay. Fuck the industry.
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yeah well i dunno bout that but i know that spice was liek "aw man i know we wanted it to be murda show too but the dudes who did the cover put it like that"
yea but graphic designers have no say in anything...they do what they are told...so whoever is the shot caller of tha label that is putting this project out is the one to blame....they gave em photos to use in a ol skool western themed cover....which means they are just pasted on some background which looks weak as fuc to me....
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no wait......he re-did it, it looks a little better now....
(http://ourworld.cs.com/InSummerSkool/Pioneers4.jpg)
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It's fucked up, I KNEW Warren G didn't say that "concentrate on my rhymes" shit..
It would be funny to ask Snoop about why Warren G doesn't produce on the new album..
LOL @ the new Bad Azz cover..
Give ANYBODY the OG of that pic and 15 min in Photoshop, and it will look 100 times more professional that this;
(http://cover09.cduniverse.com/MuzeAudioArt/510/515770.jpg)
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I don't believe that MTV shit. I think Warren G was just off his fuckin dome when he said that shit and doesn't remember what the fuck happened. I mean, I don't doubt that MTV would make shit up, or print what a publicist says or whatever as what the artist says, but I'm not gonna let Warren G or Snoop or whoever off the hook because they say they didn't say it, I've seen ALL these fucks say 1 thing and then say something totally different in the next interview, they switch their story like clothes.
Ice Cube: "Hey Dre, Gimme Some Beats, Please, I'm ready to do this whenever you want" (Live on T.V.)
Dr. Dre: "I handed Cube a tape with 5 beats on it and told him to write somethin for them 8 months ago"
Ice Cube: "Dr. Dre's in my new Movie, Next Friday. Yeah, Dre's the neighborhood Drug Dealer"
Never happened.
etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. I mean Warren and Snoop can say they're taken out of context, but shit. I've seen ALL of them claim shit tons of times that never happened, so they've all got a history of being some bullshitters.
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warren never asked why snoop didn't pick any of his beats? WTF!!!! are u kidding me is the dude scared to ask or what, i mean doesn't have to get all crazy about it but fuck youd think hed at least see why
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the industry is fucked up and artists tend to blame everything on a label, but its two-fold. Any respected PR person at a label can not and will not say anything about an artist without getting permission from that artist. When it comes to finalizing the album cover, inserts, promo items, promo dates, etc. The artist always has the last word, unless the label deems something offensive. Da Lench Mob's first album was originally called "Pin The Tail On The Honkey", well of course that was too much for the label to bare the brunt of complaints and the album wouldn't be sold in retail chain stores, so it was changed to Guerrillas in tha mist. And they censored all references to homosexuals on the album. But that's what they had to do in able to get the record out.
So the label/industry is shady but if you've been in the business at least a year or two and you take time out to research, ask questions, and take charge, the label has no choice but to listen and compromise.
BTW the Bad Azz cover is terrible, but I've seen worse even from my own crew. Usually when shit looks like that, it's some very last minute "we got to have a cover in 10 minutes" type of thing, so maybe that's why BA, cover looks like that or perhaps the art director is garbage.
BUT THE ARTIST IS JUST AS RESPONSIBLE AS THE LABEL, YOU LET A LABEL PIMP YOU, YOU WILL ALWAYS BE A HOE. HAVE A STRONG TEAM WITH YOU. TOMMY BOY TRIED TO PUNK OUT NAUGHTY BY NATURE AND TREACH REALLYGOT GANGSTA ON THEM AND DID SOME THUGGED OUT SHIT AT THE LABEL IN THE PRESIDENT'S OFFICE, ONE OF THE FUNNIEST SHIT I'VE HEVER HEARD, BUT NBN NEVER HAD ANY PROBLEMS FROM THE LABEL AFTER THAT.
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You, GODBODY used to hand out flyers for Tommy Boy. He knows whats good.
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These were some very interesting notes, Nima. The MTV one is really fucked up if it's true. But on the other hand artists have to be carefully what they say, because there are so many dudes that spread the word in the streets, and finally some MTV writers or whoever post it on the site, and the whole world knows about it, even if the artist said it in another context, was just joking, or whatever. But rumours spread very fast, and everybody knows that, so artists have to whatch out what they say, if they don't want to read it in the news the other day. Probably Warren really said it, but was just clowning or whatever and wasn't expecting it to be on a website the next day.
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Cmon yall dont make this a mothafuckin Nino VS Damon thread again..back to the topic..yeah i had my suspicions that the industry was shady but the more ill have found out, shits really fucked up..fo real..but like someone said..the artists have some responsability for their own actions also..u should think that some of these well established artists should have learned through the years...
Peace
LazyL
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wheres damons last post? 8)
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ohh yeah.. where it go... nevermind.. prob for the best ;)
remember this.. its the MUSIC BUSINESS.. forget the BUSINESS part at your peril!
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jome split it off into a seperate thread... here http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?board=7;action=display;threadid=52742
pls leave a note next time supermod :P
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does any got the first cover of the eiht & spice album? ???
btw.. i think the cover in this thread is allright.. kinda tight
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Well, artists may or may not be the last ones to give an OK on an album cover or things like that, it depends on their contract. I don't know if any of y'all know of him, (most likely don't), but this Finnish rapper Redrama said in an interview once that he paid special attention to what it says on his contract, 'cause the labels sometimes put some shady shit in there or exploit the loopholes in it. He said that among other things, he put a special clause in his contract that the record company has no right to decide what he (Redrama) can and can't wear. He mentioned in the interview that sometimes artists are made to wear certain clothes by the record company 'cause they have some sort of promotion deal with that clothing label. They don't ask the artist "Could you wear this Karl Kani stuff?", they make them wear it. So since things in this industry get into specifics like this - that an artist has to have a clause in his contract that says what he wears is entirely up the artist himself - it wouldn't be a wonder that an album cover isn't OK'd by the artist or that the album name is changed just like that.
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YUP looks like these artists aint on point.. thats what u need Entertainment Lawyers for..
ANYBODY who wants to get in the music biz should read:
"All You Need To Know About The Music Business" by Donald. S. Passman
amazing book
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"All You Need To Know About The Music Business" by Donald. S. Passman
HELL YEA.......dats been like my bible for the past couple of years.
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"All You Need To Know About The Music Business" by Donald. S. Passman
HELL YEA.......dats been like my bible for the past couple of years.
yeah that cat knows his shit hes been a music lawyer years and years and has witness all the change and man the way he wrote his book just soaks you right in..
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warren never asked why snoop didn't pick any of his beats? WTF!!!! are u kidding me is the dude scared to ask or what, i mean doesn't have to get all crazy about it but fuck youd think hed at least see why
is warren ever gonna ask? nima?
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aight here is what I think about warren g and the whole 213 situation. I think snoop, warren, and nate all talked about it. I think they probably talked about it with some record exec too. I mean c'mon, these guys are supposed to be childhood friends, and they made a group album together, and you don't think they talk about whether or not warren's beats should go on the album? Do you seriously think that conversation has never come up between all them? Just think about yourselves and your friends. I'm sure everyone has arguments all the time with their friends. Seriously, is there anyone on this forum that if they were in the same situation as warren g, that they would not ask snoop why your beats didn't get put on?
I think that warren g doesn't want to get other people (such as nima and net fans) involved in the situation. and plus maybe snoop listened to warren's beats, and decided that they wouldn't do well for the album. so snoop tells warren that. do you think warren really wants to admit to that?