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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: SGV on May 24, 2004, 12:20:12 PM
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Dre(now) ruins an artist. First it was Eminem, then Xzibit, 50 Cent and now Game. All these artists used to have a different style, they'd all usually spit ill shit(even 50, though I disliked him then). Eminem used to be one of the illest out, now he just mumbles some random thug shit. Xzibit used to spit about real issues, then out of nowhere he became a gangsta and made two subpar albums. 50 Cent used to actually come with slick lines and was creative, now he's another Ja Rule. All these cats aligned with Dre and now they start spitting garbage(dumbing down for their audience, so what does that say about their audience?).
This is The Game at his best:
Memph Bleek Iz (http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/bayarearap/real/thegame4.rm)
I'm Lookin' (http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/bayarearap/real/thegame1.rm)
What Type Of Nigga (http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/bayarearap/real/thegame2.rm)
All I Know (http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/bayarearap/real/thegame3.rm)
Now he's changed his voice and flow. Here he was spittin' different shit each time. But, since he's riding for Dre, all he talks about is how gangsta he is. Don't come in here with some hater shit. I got tracks to back up what I say. Truth!
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Appart from Xzibit those you listed would not be where they are now without Dre.
That is straight facts. . .
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it's to easy to just blame it on dre..
interscope rejected Em's masterpiece "the marshall mathers lp" because an extremely commercial dumped down track wasnt on it. so he had to put the real slim shady on it. that wasnt dre's idea. it's interscope. Em should do a fuckin black album with only sick shit on it. just for the heads. he's got enough money already.
for the others cats at aftermath I understand.. they wanna make their money.. dre gives them the opportunity.
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I agree to a certain degree . But dont blame Dre for this , blame the people on interscope and blame whats popular nowadays on the market . Game`s biggest problem is that he`s just your average rapper , sounds just like some dipset g-unit bullshit
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I agree with sev...
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Eminem still had his more 'funny' style when he was with dre
he later changed it cause he obviously wanted to
If anything "ruined" the rest of them it's the expectations of the commercial industry and a major label like interscope. Not Dre, he just gave them a big opportunity
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1 word:
Jimmy
Hatesrats 2oooIV
(Givin' 2 much credit 2 Dre)
remember who really runs The Math... ;)
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i agree with all except for game. game changed his voice and flow for the better. if anyones ruining his style, its dipset and lil flip. cuz lately hes been sounding exactly like them.
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I dont agree
Eminem still has some Ill shit on all three of his albums (the ones he made at interscope)...usually the first two singles are commercial poppy...but the rest is tight..Criminal, kill you, amityville, role model, drug ballad..etc
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Although I don't think it's necessarily Dre's fault, I agree 100%. 50 fell off the most IMO though.
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Dre(now) ruins an artist. First it was Eminem, then Xzibit, 50 Cent and now Game. All these artists used to have a different style, they'd all usually spit ill shit(even 50, though I disliked him then). Eminem used to be one of the illest out, now he just mumbles some random thug shit. Xzibit used to spit about real issues, then out of nowhere he became a gangsta and made two subpar albums. 50 Cent used to actually come with slick lines and was creative, now he's another Ja Rule. All these cats aligned with Dre and now they start spitting garbage(dumbing down for their audience, so what does that say about their audience?).
This is The Game at his best:
Memph Bleek Iz (http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/bayarearap/real/thegame4.rm)
I'm Lookin' (http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/bayarearap/real/thegame1.rm)
What Type Of Nigga (http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/bayarearap/real/thegame2.rm)
All I Know (http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/bayarearap/real/thegame3.rm)
Now he's changed his voice and flow. Here he was spittin' different shit each time. But, since he's riding for Dre, all he talks about is how gangsta he is. Don't come in here with some hater shit. I got tracks to back up what I say. Truth!
LoL, what bull..
Game was talking about being gangsta before he signed with Dre..
Game's flow & delivery is getting better by the minute, OBVIOUSLY working with the big cats made him improve in every aspect, he went from pretty cool amateur-rapper to holding his own on a track with KWELI & Black Thought.
He used to be have the somewhat boring Fabolous flow & delivery, his latest tracks shows that he's ready to go multi-plat.
Eminem used to rap about raping grandmothers, killing wifey, taking drugs etc.
It's only so long that's interesting.. :-X He's not a teen any more.
And over to more mature topics, but still keeping the "Slim Shady" persona for a crazy track or two, + perfecting his flow, breath control & delivery.
After signing with Dre, Em went from "underground crazy cat" to "top 5 rapper ever".
"50 Cent used to actually come with slick lines"
Lmao, he does that all the time.. but you're so sick of him right now that it's funny..
I bet you're not the biggest fan of "G-Unit radio" series either to know.. ::)
50 hasn't changed at all after signing with Dre, he still says what the fuck he wants to say (how dumb it might be), and does wtf he wants to do..
Granted, a few radio singles was kinda "sellout", but after selling 10 million records, he would do the same wether he signed with Dre or with Def Jam..
I doubt it was Dr.Dre's choice or fault that he chose the singles "P.I.M.P." and that r'n'b track with Joe. ::)
About Xzibit.. Restless is just as good as his first 2 albums..
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nah, hes right on this one. although this is obviously just another one of his "blame dre" topics, his points on 50 and eminem are valid. em and 50 changed like shit. although the game argument didnt work, considering game actually got better if anything (aside from the dipset wannabe songs). so in all essence, the topic didnt make sense since the game clearly isnt proof of anything.
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First I wrote a long bit where I expressed my thoughts on how Dre influenced each of those artists to change. But then I erased it. 'Cause I got this one familiar idea in my head from this thread, and I hate that idea. I really hope that idea is false. But somehow, it often, very often, seems like a fan thinks a certain artist is only cool and dope and all that when they're underground and have to struggle for their livelyhood. But as soon as that artist sees some success and gets some shine in the mainstream, their fans are ready to turn their backs and call those artists fakes and sellouts. Just something I've noticed many times.
Now, it's true that Dre has influenced all those artists to change. But is it all bad? Have the bad influences necessarily come from Dre? I don't think so. I think Eminem has only gotten better and better over time. To say that Dre ruined him or that his style sucks now is, to me, just plain ridiculous. Dre only helped Em be what he is now - one of the best in the game.
Xzibit & 50 - commercialized, true. But Restless was still dope as fuck. So was Get Rich Or Die Trying. We'll see how X's next LP turns out - if it's like Man vs. Machine, then yes, the industry (the industry, NOT Dre!) ruined him. If 50 comes with an album like Get Rich..., then I don't see where the problem is. The G-Unit LP had a bunch of "Ja Rule-ish" tracks yeah, but Dre didn't have a lot to do with that album now did he? He produced two tracks there, and both were exactly what Dre and 50 both do best - some gangsta shit.
But ain't it a bit early to even talk about how The Game has changed? He hasn't released an album under Dre yet, let's just wait for that, shall we? I think it's useless to say somebody's been ruined when they drop a random track here and another there far between from each other. Let's wait for the proper release to see what Dre and Game have REALLY come up with. How many of the recent mixtape tracks have been produced by Dre anyway? We'll see in some time just what has Dre been up to with The Game, but we haven't seen any of it yet, at least I haven't.
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I dont have a problem with Dre or any of the artists he works with. In general, Aftermath/G Unit/Shady are bringing the best tracks and the dopest albums right now so I aint gona hate. And IMO The Game is pretty dope.
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First I wrote a long bit where I expressed my thoughts on how Dre influenced each of those artists to change. But then I erased it. 'Cause I got this one familiar idea in my head from this thread, and I hate that idea. I really hope that idea is false. But somehow, it often, very often, seems like a fan thinks a certain artist is only cool and dope and all that when they're underground and have to struggle for their livelyhood. But as soon as that artist sees some success and gets some shine in the mainstream, their fans are ready to turn their backs and call those artists fakes and sellouts. Just something I've noticed many times.
Now, it's true that Dre has influenced all those artists to change. But is it all bad? Have the bad influences necessarily come from Dre? I don't think so. I think Eminem has only gotten better and better over time. To say that Dre ruined him or that his style sucks now is, to me, just plain ridiculous. Dre only helped Em be what he is now - one of the best in the game.
Xzibit & 50 - commercialized, true. But Restless was still dope as fuck. So was Get Rich Or Die Trying. We'll see how X's next LP turns out - if it's like Man vs. Machine, then yes, the industry (the industry, NOT Dre!) ruined him. If 50 comes with an album like Get Rich..., then I don't see where the problem is. The G-Unit LP had a bunch of "Ja Rule-ish" tracks yeah, but Dre didn't have a lot to do with that album now did he? He produced two tracks there, and both were exactly what Dre and 50 both do best - some gangsta shit.
But ain't it a bit early to even talk about how The Game has changed? He hasn't released an album under Dre yet, let's just wait for that, shall we? I think it's useless to say somebody's been ruined when they drop a random track here and another there far between from each other. Let's wait for the proper release to see what Dre and Game have REALLY come up with. How many of the recent mixtape tracks have been produced by Dre anyway? We'll see in some time just what has Dre been up to with The Game, but we haven't seen any of it yet, at least I haven't.
Real talk..
Dre doesn't decide what their artist say on their records, it's more like his artist decides what DRE says on his albums! lol
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I got this one familiar idea in my head from this thread, and I hate that idea. I really hope that idea is false. But somehow, it often, very often, seems like a fan thinks a certain artist is only cool and dope and all that when they're underground and have to struggle for their livelyhood. But as soon as that artist sees some success and gets some shine in the mainstream, their fans are ready to turn their backs and call those artists fakes and sellouts. .
So true
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LoL, what bull..
Game was talking about being gangsta before he signed with Dre..
Game's flow & delivery is getting better by the minute, OBVIOUSLY working with the big cats made him improve in every aspect, he went from pretty cool amateur-rapper to holding his own on a track with KWELI & Black Thought.
He used to be have the somewhat boring Fabolous flow & delivery, his latest tracks shows that he's ready to go multi-plat.
Eminem used to rap about raping grandmothers, killing wifey, taking drugs etc.
It's only so long that's interesting.. :-X He's not a teen any more.
And over to more mature topics, but still keeping the "Slim Shady" persona for a crazy track or two, + perfecting his flow, breath control & delivery.
After signing with Dre, Em went from "underground crazy cat" to "top 5 rapper ever".
"50 Cent used to actually come with slick lines"
Lmao, he does that all the time.. but you're so sick of him right now that it's funny..
I bet you're not the biggest fan of "G-Unit radio" series either to know.. ::)
50 hasn't changed at all after signing with Dre, he still says what the fuck he wants to say (how dumb it might be), and does wtf he wants to do..
Granted, a few radio singles was kinda "sellout", but after selling 10 million records, he would do the same wether he signed with Dre or with Def Jam..
I doubt it was Dr.Dre's choice or fault that he chose the singles "P.I.M.P." and that r'n'b track with Joe. ::)
About Xzibit.. Restless is just as good as his first 2 albums..
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it's not dre that changed them.....it's this little thing called MONEY....
you see, if dre was offering these rappers multi million hot pocket deals, no rapper's would sign or try and be commercial with Dre
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Thanks guys. Just wanted to make sure my karma would still lower if I dissed Dre.
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Thanks guys. Just wanted to make sure my karma would still lower if I dissed Dre.
@ -1100 and sinking, I'm pretty sure that would happen either way.
Here, have a prop on me.
At least you admit "dissing Dre", can't come up with any credible critic.. ?
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what does karma do except shows how much the forum hates you or loves you lol
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In SOME ways you are right, but you also have to think about this. You can't say that Dre doesn't (usually) bring out the best in a rapper when he works with them. Who remembers when Eve recorded two tracks with Dre on her first? She said she was so frustrated in the studio sometimes she wanted to just quit, because Dre was bein so hard on her. But the result was those two Dre songs were by far the best songs on her album. Same with Snoop...when Snoop is on a Dre track, he doesn't mumble that gay shit he likes to do a lot, he will have a dope ass flow and better than average lyrics. From how I see Snoop's career, it's damn near like the bigger Dre had an influence on the album, the better it was. So I figure The Game, if his album does drop, will be showin him at his best level.
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i really don't post much anymore but i felt i needed to adress this...in fact i stopped reading this post and hit reply right after i read this.
LoL, what bull..
Game was talking about being gangsta before he signed with Dre..
Game's flow & delivery is getting better by the minute, OBVIOUSLY working with the big cats made him improve in every aspect, he went from pretty cool amateur-rapper to holding his own on a track with KWELI & Black Thought.
He used to be have the somewhat boring Fabolous flow & delivery, his latest tracks shows that he's ready to go multi-plat.
games flow & delivery is average...people make him out to be more than he is. im not saying he's bad but he's horribly overrated.
Eminem used to rap about raping grandmothers, killing wifey, taking drugs etc.
It's only so long that's interesting.. :-X He's not a teen any more.
And over to more mature topics, but still keeping the "Slim Shady" persona for a crazy track or two, + perfecting his flow, breath control & delivery.
After signing with Dre, Em went from "underground crazy cat" to "top 5 rapper ever".
eminem wasnt a teen at any point in his interscope career. i dont think dre had anything to do with eminems growth...i think that was all on em and i think he grew for the better...i do agree with you on this one.
"50 Cent used to actually come with slick lines"
Lmao, he does that all the time.. but you're so sick of him right now that it's funny..
I bet you're not the biggest fan of "G-Unit radio" series either to know.. ::)
50 hasn't changed at all after signing with Dre, he still says what the fuck he wants to say (how dumb it might be), and does wtf he wants to do..
Granted, a few radio singles was kinda "sellout", but after selling 10 million records, he would do the same wether he signed with Dre or with Def Jam..
I doubt it was Dr.Dre's choice or fault that he chose the singles "P.I.M.P." and that r'n'b track with Joe. ::)
50 cent rarely comes with sick lines anymore...i will say that he's had a few off the GRODT album but i mean...he had more sick lines in How To Rob than he did in his entire aftermath album. i wouldnt blame dre for 50 i would blame 50...the guy wants money...now i cant blame him for that but what i can blame him for is putting out all the crappy singles first...there were some dope tracks from that album but he chose to put out In Da Club (pretty good but got old), Wanksta (wack), P.I.M.P. (horrible)...instead of putting out something like "Don't Push Me" which was dope as hell. 1 poppy single...cool...2 poppy singles...getting old but i can go with it...3 poppy singles and no good ones...you're out of my playlist.
About Xzibit.. Restless is just as good as his first 2 albums..
agreed...i love restless and man vs. machine just as much as at the speed of life and 40 dayz. xzibit hasnt changed. (although i havent heard the new single yet)
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Xzibit's style hasn't changed much, but he has changed personally.
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Luke, jus addin that 21 Questions was also a single.
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Xzibit's "Restless" was definitely on the same level as a mainstream album as "40 dayz.." and "At the Speed of Life" as underground albums. Dre provided stellar beats, and X made a great commercial album. "Man Vs. Machine" was a mainstream album in which X tried to pull it off without Dre. Didn't work that well, although there are some great tracks on there. The new single "Ride and Smoke" is ridiculously horrible. X is trying too many things right now. He should just stick to SAS and Likwit projects right now if anything, fuck taht southern bullshit. But dre didn't change Xzibit, he just provided X with the opportunity to change.
50. Well, what can i say? 50 has never been a good rapper, even in his "power of the dollar" days. i can say, though, that Dre didn't give 50 good beats. All of dre's work on 50's newest album were very bad "IF i can't", "Back down", "heat"(wasn't THAT bad), except for "in da club", a dope beat. Dre didn't change 50, but dre created the illusion of something out of nothing for the audience in the face of 50cent.
Now, i totally disagree with what the postmaker had to say about Eminem. Eminem ruined his own style starting with "eminem show". His multi platinum albums "Slim shady LP" and "Marshall Mathers LP" showed that he could be witty, controversial, and creative, and still sell. "eminem show" showed that he just became lazy of making creative shit, and setteled with a monotonous flow, although his rhyme structure might have improved. HIs topics nowadays are boring and he doesnt' stand out in songs on which he appears anymore. Dre actually made eminem what he was, and then Eminem changed on his own.
I can't really comment on the Game, he is yet to release an album, but i think he's nothing special at all. His flow ain't all that great, his voice is boring, his subject matter is boring, his lyrics are borin. i don't see how dre can pull off another 50 with The Game. They're hardly different rappers. I feel the need of some fresh rappers in the aftermath camp, and it's not Stat Quo, not G-Unit, not Lloyd banks, not Game, but somebody like Sly Boogy or Crooked I. They're still relatively unknown and i know for a fact they would kill a Dre produced or executive produced album.
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I'm not gonna waste my time by trying to convince someone that Em, Xzibit & 50 are still good artists when working with Dre.
T-Dogg & Jome's arguments are the ones I agree with.
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Dre(now) ruins an artist. First it was Eminem, then Xzibit, 50 Cent and now Game. All these artists used to have a different style, they'd all usually spit ill shit(even 50, though I disliked him then). Eminem used to be one of the illest out, now he just mumbles some random thug shit. Xzibit used to spit about real issues, then out of nowhere he became a gangsta and made two subpar albums. 50 Cent used to actually come with slick lines and was creative, now he's another Ja Rule. All these cats aligned with Dre and now they start spitting garbage(dumbing down for their audience, so what does that say about their audience?).
This is The Game at his best:
Memph Bleek Iz (http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/bayarearap/real/thegame4.rm)
I'm Lookin' (http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/bayarearap/real/thegame1.rm)
What Type Of Nigga (http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/bayarearap/real/thegame2.rm)
All I Know (http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/bayarearap/real/thegame3.rm)
Now he's changed his voice and flow. Here he was spittin' different shit each time. But, since he's riding for Dre, all he talks about is how gangsta he is. Don't come in here with some hater shit. I got tracks to back up what I say. Truth!
Co-sign.
And stop blaming it on the industry. As long as cats like Dre who hold influential positions in the industry keep giving us watered down shit, and dumb fake gangsta shit, that is what the industry will continue to be. If Dre really cared artistically then he wouldn't make albums that are commercial as hell. If he came out with some Chronic esque ish and it sold well then the whole industry would see that hiphop can be dope without being totally commercial and we would see more quality hiphop in the charts. Just look at the effect Kanye West is currently having on the industry, who would ever have thought you would see/hear Dilated Peoples on commercial radio top ten countdowns on a regular basis?
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Im glad that The Game changed his voice...his old one sounded all fucked up & rusty
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I gotta agree with Waitin' For The DJ. On point.
Jome, you're such a clown. You never listened to the Game until he was Aftermath, so quiet down. He was ripping tracks with Bun B, Tela, Young Noble, among others BEFORE he was Aftermath. LMAO @ Amateur. His flow is rough now, it used to be REAL smooth. His voice was more like Shyne back in the day, now he sounds like he's losing his voice each time he raps. Don't try to tell me about The Game, you're a new fan, just like you are with every other rapper out there.
Eminem is like 30 now, he been out(commercially) since 99. He was about 24/25. LMAO @ Making an excuse for a grown ass man. I won't even continue on with that. A teen, haha. You're a clown.
[Verse - Eminem]
Who's trying to be the first one
To catch this blade in the throat?!
You know them po po don't let me hold 'em toasters no more!
I just clapped at three, you gon be number four!
If you don't back the fuck up and get the fuck off the floor!
My crew is taking over as soon as we hit the door!
You hit the door, but we comin in and you going home!
Security, they can't even stop us because they know!
Running avenues, soldiers hold us down, rep where ever we go!
Chugging on our 40's and holding our forty-fo's!
We come wit toasters like we just opened savings and loans!
And we don't need your brew tonight homie we brought our own!
So grab whatever you sipping on and let's get it on!!
[Eminem]
I probably got a screw loose or two, or maybe three or four of 'em
Some fell out and hit the floor
All I know is ever since my fuckin' head hit the snowbank
I been a little Neanderthalish, no thanks to my man D'Angelo Bailey
But I just take it slow daily, my biggest dilemma's
Tryin' to figure whether to use the flat head or the Phillips
Or just go to the Home Depot and pick the new power drill up
Gives me two hours and six days and I'm still up
I feel like I'm about to snap any minute
There's a new Tower Records about to stop and get a fill-up
Pick the new Cypress Hill up
And go find who did that shit to Xzibit
And go fill up a whole liquor bottle with piss
And shatter his fuckin lips wit' it
[Verse - Eminem]
Everywhere we go people know that we roll deep as fuck
Fourty fifty Samoans, they knowing when D-Bo was
50, Tweezy, Obie there won't be no hoe in us
They pop shit like they gon do shit but no one does
From New York down to Texas, back up to Los Angeles
We've changed the way we move so man up if you can't adjust
You may end up getting rushed by too many to handle us
It's funny, I guess money does have its advantages
And it isn't that we just think that we can't be touched
It's not like we're just feeling ourselves that much
It's just, that if someone ever does put us in the clutch
We just know that y'all ain't gon be the one who's gon do it
Cause first of all you're pussy and everybody can see that
You fuck around, get caught in a spot that you shouldn't be at
That you got no business being in, we ain't even gon be in it
No one's gunna hear nothing, no one's gunna see this shit
And they'll be in and up out of it, them boys is bout it, bout it
The noise from (?) be drowned out by the crowd
And you'll be laying on the ground getting trampled by people dancing
Till the club closes, and clears out
And that's when they see you flatened
Nobody saw it happen, all cause your jaws are flapping
And you couldn't stop yapping and took it past rapping
It ain't about the music no more, it's bout trying to show off
And it feels like any minute the bomb is bout to go off
You're right, Eminem is so mature now. ::)
LMAO @ 50 still has slick lines. You're the only one thinking that.
Restless was OK at best. It was PRODUCTION driven, not lyric driven. I don't give credit to X for beats, at all. He's an emcee, not a producer. His lyrics stepped down a lot on Restless. It wasn't even his most sucessful point either. 40 Dayz... produced his most sucessful single, so what does that tell you? And whoever said "Ride N Smoke" is horrible has got to be kidding me. That is the best Xzibit has been in years.
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agree n disagree.......alot of bullshit n truth in this.....
firstly, dre does bring the best out in artists, he doesnt ruin them, thats weak, nor does the industry, its all to do with money.......
snoop - with dre snoop sounds fully correct and sounds really comfortable on a track both lyrically and flow vise, voice has always been sick......the bad thing for some is usually he seems to only spit gangsta rap but i dont see why cats hate, its what snoop was doin when he became big..........gangsta rap>pimpin......even tho snoop is reppin that well imo
eminem - without dre, eminem seems to focus in inspirational shit a lil more....no doubt, im feelin u their, like joints like loose yourself......but alot of the time, production fails him and his flow goes all fucked up when his without dre and when his with him he sounds more "hip hop" flow wise and beat wise, it bangs alot harder......for example......."i never knew" or "guilty conscience".....vs........."sing for a moment" and "square dance"...........i know id be choosin the first to any day over them, even though sing for a moment by be mo deep but the shit he does with dre bangs much better........but like u say, its not as deep lyrically
xzibit - restless was sick both beats wise and lyrically.....not as great lyrically as his previous to but still a bangin album............man vs machine had alot less of a dre feel and he fell off the map....thats all i gotta say
50.......imo.......jus before dre signed him, he was gettin back on track but still wasnt fully right and i beleive dre helped him be mo clear in what he says, def helped his delivery.....and again seems much more focused with him when making music......."in da club"..simple lyrics but the whole joint was bangin, one of the best hitters in year....and them geeks who only listen to spiritual shit gotta feel this even if it hates them.........and imo he had some sick lines in grodt.......and grodt was a sick album, but its only one albu, wait till his next album drops and we'll know if he really is dope or dropped off.......
game - game spits alot of dope shit in between the g'd up lyrics, even alot of them are dope, if u into gangsta rap.....but yeah, he spittin abit to much g shit at the moment, when he is capable of making some deep shit to.......but i bet the joints he does with dre will be sick
i think to say dre ruins cats is bullshit, at the end of the day, they write what they want.......dre brings them to spit what they spit, the best possible way......but i think what ya really tryna say, and i feel is dre dont really make positive music ever........but who cares, like dre said, its jus music, if its good enough to bump, hit the muthafucka!
dre works with what he feels comfortable with, i cant hate on the nigga, homie made so many joints for me to bump, even when i was a child, i was listenin his shit, aint no way, im complainin with what he done
peace
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I gotta agree with Waitin' For The DJ. On point.
Jome, you're such a clown. You never listened to the Game until he was Aftermath, so quiet down. He was ripping tracks with Bun B, Tela, Young Noble, among others BEFORE he was Aftermath. LMAO @ Amateur. His flow is rough now, it used to be REAL smooth. His voice was more like Shyne back in the day, now he sounds like he's losing his voice each time he raps. Don't try to tell me about The Game, you're a new fan, just like you are with every other rapper out there.
Eminem is like 30 now, he been out(commercially) since 99. He was about 24/25. LMAO @ Making an excuse for a grown ass man. I won't even continue on with that. A teen, haha. You're a clown.
You're right, Eminem is so mature now. ::)
LMAO @ 50 still has slick lines. You're the only one thinking that.
Restless was OK at best. It was PRODUCTION driven, not lyric driven. I don't give credit to X for beats, at all. He's an emcee, not a producer. His lyrics stepped down a lot on Restless. It wasn't even his most sucessful point either. 40 Dayz... produced his most sucessful single, so what does that tell you? And whoever said "Ride N Smoke" is horrible has got to be kidding me. That is the best Xzibit has been in years.
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Right on the Eminem being a teen issue, but the point I was trying to make is that Em sounded and came across like a immature 14-year old contentwise and voicewise when he first came out.. but that's when he appealed to such a small/strange fanbase that you could actually like him huh ??
ONCE Xzibit makes a track that only 30 people in all of Cali digs, you're suddenly backing him again.. LOL
I bet the Southern flavor didn't make matter worse neither..
Even if he had J.D. and J-Kwon on it, you'd probably dig it even more.
You never listened to the Game until he was Aftermath, so quiet down.
False.
Do I have to bring witnesses..? ::)
LMAO @ 50 still has slick lines. You're the only one thinking that.
He says more or less EXACTLY THE SAME THINGS as he did before he got shot and signed, but your childish little point is that he was better before Dre, and that's bullshit.. but you're blinded by hate.
I don't know what made pre-Aftermath 50 slick, and the Aftermath 50 a sellout no-talent loser, but I'm pretty sure you could make a boring article based on assumptions and hate on the matter.
Don't try to tell me about The Game, you're a new fan, just like you are with every other rapper out there.
False again, your majesty.. ::)
Damn, why do I even bother, I could easily become a hater too.. hmm, I'll consider it.