West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: W-Side on June 22, 2004, 03:45:36 AM
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some of yall got some twisted logic when it comes to g rap (real dudes like tray deee<--> fakes)
you do like gangsta rap i assume.. from what I see you don't like fake gangstas
then again most of yall don't seem to like real gangstas neither and you want them locked up
you say criminals like tray deee who won't learn from the past and stay thuggin like that should be locked up in order to protect the rest of society
so tell me then.. what's a gangsta rapper supposed to be..?
when talking about gangsta shit, glorifying violence n shit a rapper has to be either a fake or a dangerous criminal so how the fuck yall gonna say "that dude's a fake, fuck him" and then once a real g is charged with a specific crime (I recognize you don't hate them until you hear about a specific case, before that even the now-haters were like "dude's keepin it real" long as they just heard about him being for real and not to be fucked with) you say he should be locked up forever or even sentenced to death LOL
you gonna make up your minds.. either like and accept fake gangstas - or - like and accept real gangstas commiting crimes - or - hate all gangsta rappers and gangsta rap in general
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then again most of yall don't seem to like real gangstas neither and you want them locked up
you say criminals like tray deee who won't learn from the past and stay thuggin like that should be locked up in order to protect the rest of society
no.. am saying that groupies shouldnt be saying they should get a pass just because its their favourite rapper.
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it's about this shit in general, not about you, neither about the very details of this tray deee case.. it's not about groupies,
question:
if tray deee is guilty of shooting at people.. do you want him to be locked up or not?
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i agree with S N Double O P
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i'm confused. lol
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Yeep, dude should get locked up for shooting @ ppl.
I kinda see where yer coming from.
For me, it's all about the music man. If a person has lived or is living the words/messages in their songs then they have my respect.
If they're gonna go out there & shoot some1 or take pcp & eat up a chick, then hell yeah........lock them up. Do the crime........do the time.
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The majority of the people here on this board like Tray Deee's music, so of course it's kinda hard to say "send him to jail", since we know we won't hear any new music in the near future then.
But, at the same time, you should also leave the thought of "he's one of my favorite rappers" behind and just look at the situation: he shot at people, and it wasn't self-defense...well, that's a crime, period.
Still...I'd rather see him doing community service for about 10 years than seeing him go to jail. ;)
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i'm confused. lol
just answer the question
if tray deee is guilty of shooting at people.. do you want him to be locked up or not?
For me, it's all about the music man. If a lived or is living the words/messages in their songs then they have my respect.
If they're gonna go out there & shoot some1 or take pcp & eat up a chick, then hell yeah........lock them up. Do the crime........do the time.
lol so what you saying is, you respect the criminals that live what they talk about but you want them locked up.. which basically means if it was up to you then every gangsta rapper that you have respect for would be in prison (I guess you do realize that "go[ing] out there & shoot[ing] some1" = "living the words/messages in their songs")
you wish for the whole respectable part of the gangsta rap industry to be in prison
if this wish was fulfilled gangsta rap (besides the fakes and a few prison releases as we know em from x-raided) would no longer exist
don't you think there's something contradicting to that?
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i'm confused. lol
just answer the question
if tray deee is guilty of shooting at people.. do you want him to be locked up or not?
you have missed the entire point of my entire argument.
has he shot at anyone? the answer is, we dont know what he has done!.
how can I judge based upon that information?
when...
1. we dont know what he's done.
2. we dont know whether he wants that support. for all you know he's held his hands up and is pleading guilty.
or even..
3.. whether he deserves that support. (see 1)
dont u understand?
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^^dude you can't be serious.. I missed the point? re-read the first post and the title of the thread, combine it with the fact that I said this is NOT specifically about Tray Deee and tell me who misses the point here..
you don't have to be the brightest to realize that we are simply focusing on different issues but it was me who started the thread therefore it's my topic that is to be discussed in it
as you can read I said "If Tray Deee was guilty" so it should be pretty obious that he is replaceable with every other random reallife thug.. once and for all: this is not about tray deee
aight?
now for you and every other confused guy in this thread, Ima formulate the question you gotta ask yourself in a way that doesn't leave any room for misunderstandings:
If a gangsta rapper who talks about gang violence, shooting people, drug dealing and whatsoever in his rhymes does actually live this lifestyle.. do you want him locked up or not?
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Are you fucking stupid or something ? Of course they should be locked up , what the fuck man . Killing people aint cool
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now for you and every other confused guy in this thread, Ima formulate the question you gotta ask yourself in a way that doesn't leave any room for misunderstandings:
If a gangsta rapper who talks about gang violence, shooting people, drug dealing and whatsoever in his rhymes does actually live this lifestyle.. do you want him locked up or not?
if caught, yes of course he should be locked up.
easy enough?
what i've been talking about which is people who are fans of them saying they shouldnt -just- because they want an album out of them.
we arent saying we WANT people to be locked up, just that they shouldnt be treated differently from anyone else.
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Are you fucking stupid or something ? Of course they should be locked up , what the fuck man . Killing people aint cool
see, my lil retarded friend, first of all I haven't even said who should be locked up and who not, I simply said you have to decide whether you accept criminals or not and if you don't you obviously can't be really a fan of them
as for my own views I think the environment plays an important role and killing people does not equal killing innocent people, just for the money. I bet alot of you guys would kill somebody if he killed a family member or homies of yours and you had the chance to kill him without getting caught.
a gangsta might rob and sell drugs cuz he never had the opportunity to educate himself n shit but he wouldn't necessarily kill people when doing his crimes.. but in a dangerous biz like that it doesn't take much for beef to start and if the situation is like that he might have to kill somebody in order to not be killed himself, or retaliate for a homie who was killed. Murder is not always the same to me, it all depends on the circumstances
that's why I personally am a fan of gangsta rap and do 'accept' criminal lifestyle cause putting myself in the position many of em are in from the beginning on I can understand why some of em might act like they do
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good post.
well i dont really care if tray deee is guilty or not. i like his music and his style. if he wanna shoot somebody then he got his reasons. i dont know why so i dont give a fuck. so 4 me it isnt important if a gangsta rapper is real or not. i enjoy funny or gangbang lyrics & i luv dope gangsta beats. real or not....its about the music.... its entertainment 4 me.
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if caught, yes of course he should be locked up.
easy enough?
what i've been talking about which is people who are fans of them saying they shouldnt -just- because they want an album out of them.
we arent saying we WANT people to be locked up, just that they shouldnt be treated differently from anyone else.
you can't just say "if caught", you have to have an oppinion on whether criminals should necessarily be in prison or not.. even if that's not what you were talkin about in tray deee's case you still gotta have an oppinion
otherwise your understanding of justice is that the lucky ones should not be punished, no matter what they do, and the unlucky ones should be.. (I konw this is how it is, of course, cause you can't catch everybody but I'm talking about what you'd want it to be)
if you say you wish they don't get caught (cause you're a fan) but if they get caught they should be punished then you have the same wierd idea of justice as those who say he should not be punished at all (even if he gets caught), just on a different level
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I agree with ya homie.
for soime cats on here, it's okay to rap about blasting people, slanging drugs, smoking weed etc. etc. BUT if u actually do one of the crimes and are caught for it then suddenly people lose all support of this artist and hope they get locked up forever or some shit. LOL
like I said in the other thread. Almost ALL Westcoast rappers are involved in criminal activities EVERYDAY from smoking weed to carring guns to worse. Tray Deee was just one of the ones that got caught...
as I also siaid before, if it's a crime like rape or molesting children or something sick like that, then I agree with locking them up. But if it's a crime like packing a gun, drug related or some similar crime that happens everyday in this lifestyle that the cats rap about - then I don't wish jail on them...
that's what I'm saying
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OMG S N Double O P is a straight gaaaangsta!
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hm.. anybody knows what is it with this kid ? ^^
anyway, get well soon
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here's my thought...it's cool to rap about criminal shit...if you have to do the shit you rap about....don't get caught....i'm not wishing jail time on anyone but if they do get caught.....then they have to do the time, and i'm not about to sign petitions to FREE WHOEVER....hundreds of criminals get caught each year...just because they don't rap about it doesn't make them any more/less a criminal than someone who does. they're grown men and they know the responsibility of their actions
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thats EXACTLY what i was thinking yesterday but if i were to say sumthing like that no one would listent o me :-\
but it seems like alot of ppl on this board have been hateing on the west ive been shocked
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here's my thought...it's cool to rap about criminal shit...if you have to do the shit you rap about....don't get caught....i'm not wishing jail time on anyone but if they do get caught.....then they have to do the time, and i'm not about to sign petitions to FREE WHOEVER....hundreds of criminals get caught each year...just because they don't rap about it doesn't make them any more/less a criminal than someone who does. they're grown men and they know the responsibility of their actions
I guess that's what most cats that say he should have to do the time are gonna say but it's like this..
I dunno whether you meant "I don't wish jail time on anyone" literally but let's assume you did
in that case you obiously do not have a problem with violence or any other criminal activity, you think the lucky/clever dudes should not be punished since they manage to get away with it
so the reason for saying those who get caught have to do the time is simply that you conclude, since the laws are like that, of course they have to do it, which is only logical but doesn't have anything to do with your idea of justice and with what you really think they deserve
getting caught doesn't make the crime worse so unless you simply hate dumb/unlucky people in general, you will agree that everybody deserves the same punishment, whether they're clever/lucky enough to get away with it or not
(taking away the fact that of course in reality the ones who get caught have to do the time and those who get away can't be forced to since they're not present)
so if you meant it the way you said it ("I don't wish jail time on anyone" ) then your're one of those who [like] and accept real gangstas commiting crimes
(let's limit "like" to rapping gangstas, but the "accept" goes for every other gangsta aswell)
which would support my theory.. everybody has to chose one of those 3 possibilities I mentioned + a 4th one which would be "don't give a fuck about it at all and just bump the music, not caring about their lifes and actions"
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some of yall got some twisted logic when it comes to g rap (real dudes like tray deee<--> fakes)
you do like gangsta rap i assume.. from what I see you don't like fake gangstas
then again most of yall don't seem to like real gangstas neither and you want them locked up
you say criminals like tray deee who won't learn from the past and stay thuggin like that should be locked up in order to protect the rest of society
so tell me then.. what's a gangsta rapper supposed to be..?
when talking about gangsta shit, glorifying violence n shit a rapper has to be either a fake or a dangerous criminal so how the fuck yall gonna say "that dude's a fake, fuck him" and then once a real g is charged with a specific crime (I recognize you don't hate them until you hear about a specific case, before that even the now-haters were like "dude's keepin it real" long as they just heard about him being for real and not to be fucked with) you say he should be locked up forever or even sentenced to death LOL
you gonna make up your minds.. either like and accept fake gangstas - or - like and accept real gangstas commiting crimes - or - hate all gangsta rappers and gangsta rap in general
I don't like the stereotypical aspects of 'gangster' rap you just mentioned. I'm more into flow, and the beat of the song. I'm more into the sounds I hear, not the message I hear... because frankly, I don't identify with 1 thing any rapper says. Seriously, hardly ANYTHING. I love rhythm, though, and a song with a nice beat, a nice melody in the beat, and a nice rhythmic flow is niiiice. If they're rapping about something worth while, I.E. Roscoe's "The Brother" or something like that, it just makes it all the better.
I'm also a fan of funny things, so like Tray Dee's stuff sometimes made me chuckle, becuase he said something clever... but I've never been a fan of what he promotes and glorifies.
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No I do not want them locked up.
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i really don't give a shit. i stopped caring about whats real and whats not real a long time ago. if you're gonna be gangsta or whatever, go around shooting at people then be prepared to goto jail. he shot @ ppl, so he should be prepared to goto jail. just because he's a celebrity or whatever doesn't mean he should get special treatment or whatever
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No I do not want them locked up.
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Hey S-N-Double-O-P, I think you'd like to talk with a dude here named adidas ;D 8)
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Hey S-N-Double-O-P, I think you'd like to talk with a dude here named adidas ;D 8)
why's that ?
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The homie S N DOuble O P has got a good point.
Personally, I don't want Tray Deee to get locked up but the law is the law.
Like I said in the other thread, I wish him the best of luck.
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Some of the respect comes from a rapper's credibility. Don't get it twisted SN...Double...OP.
I love Tray Dee man, but dude's gonna have to face the consequences for his actions.
I saw what some ppl wrote in the other thread, and I can see where yer coming from. Some fool mentioned the death penalty.......n thas f'd up.