West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: smartass on July 18, 2004, 02:37:45 PM
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just add who you think fits the category
flow-treach
delivery-big daddy kane
wordplay-common
mic presence-ice cube(88-93)
punch lines-lord finesse
lyrically-kool g rap
story teller-slick rick
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Flow - Notorious B.I.G.
Delivery - Redman
Wordplay - Jay-Z
Mic Presence - Rakim
Punch Lines - Big L
Lyrically - Rakim
Storyteller - Slick Rick
Off the top of my head, I might change a couple.
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flow - snoop 92-94.... any year afterwards is just horrible
delievery - 2pac
wordplay - pharoae monch
mic presence - kurupt
punchlines - Big L
Lyrically - too many to list
story teller - slick rick / biggie
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flow - Jay-Z
delievery - 2pac
wordplay - pharoae monch
mic presence - Rakim
punchlines - Big L
Lyrically - Rakim
story teller - slick rick / biggie
pretty good choices, imo a few differences...
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i was thinking along the same lines as you guys.
flow - snoop 92-94.... any year afterwards is just horrible
delievery - 2pac
wordplay - pharoahe monch
mic presence - DJ Quik
Lyrically - Rakim
story teller - Biggie (never heard any Big L)
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flow - biggie
delivery - ghostface
mic presence - ice cube
punch lines - big l
lyrically - nas
story teller - nas
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only thing Im damn sure about is:
Delivery - 2pac.
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flow- Snoop Doggy Dogg
delivery- 2Pac
wordplay- Jay-Z
mic presence- Ice Cube
punch lines- Big L
lyrically- Rakim
story teller- Slick Rick
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Flow: Son Doobie
Delivery: 2Pac
Wordplay: ?
Mic Presence: Ice Cube
Punch Lines: Celph Titled
Lyrically: Canibus
Storyteller: Slick Rick
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Flow: 2Pac
Delivery: Royce da 5'9"
Wordplay: Notorious B.I.G.
Mic Presence: 50 Cent (my fault but all his shows are sick)
Punch Lines: Big L
Lyrically: Eminem
Storyteller: 2Pac
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flow . b.i.g
delivery - 2pac
mic pressence - ice cube
punch lines - jay -z
lyrically - eminem
story teller - nas / 2pac
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Flow - Notorious B.I.G.
Delivery - 2pac
Wordplay - Jay-Z
Mic Presence - Rakim
Punch Lines - Big L
Lyrically - Rakim
Storyteller - Slick Rick
Off the top of my head, I might change a couple.
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Flow - Snoop
Delivery - Biggie
Word Play - Jay Z
Mic Presence - 2Pac
Punch Lines - Big L
Lyrically - Nas
Story Teller - Slick Rick
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Right, I'm going to have to think on the other categories that I've missed, but here are the one's that I am (more or less) sure about. This list could still go through a few edits, however :)
Flow - W.C. (Something about the way Dub raps always grabs my attention. He's got a flow that's all of his own. With a few others here, early Snoop was a close contender but I can't excuse his later flow)
Mic Presence - Ice Cube (although I wouldn't limit Cube's presence on the mic to a certain time. His presence may not be as felt as it once was, but even on Westside Connection's ''Bow Down'' in '96 he proved he was still a force behind the microphone)
Word Play - Ras Kass (was also a contender for punch lines, but I gave that to...)
Punch Lines - Guru of Gang Starr (This may seem like an unusual choice, but if you check Gang Starr's back catalogue you'll know what I'm talking about. Guru has got plenty of lines!)
Lyrically - Eminem (People say he fell off but I disagree. ''The Eminem Show'' displayed a maturity in his lyrics and, whilst his recent guest appearances and his verses on ''D12 World'' were undeniably dissapointing I remain confident that he'll silence a lot of doubters with his next LP)
I have to mention that there were a lot of runners up for the ''Lyrically'' category, including the likes of Pharoahe, Mos Def and Kweli. Matter of fact, pretty much anyone who was formerly a member of Rawkus Records was a contender there! 8)
I'll add the other two after later. List subject to change!
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^^^ IMO... eminem will never be better lyricaly than Ras, rakim, canibus, ect.
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Flow - Ice Cube
Delivery - Jayo Felony
Word Play - BIG
Mic Presence - Snoop
Punch Lines - Crooked I
Lyrically - Kurupt(death row era)
Story Teller - 2pac
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singer thats considered a rapper Nate Dogg (added my own)
flow-Bizzy Bone
delivery-Bizzy Bone, Flesh N Bone and Twista
wordplay-Biggie
mic presence- Snoop Dogg
punch lines- Big L or Chino XL
lyrically- Z-ro and Chamillionaire Kurupt ONLY IN HIS Death Row days...
story teller-Scarface hands down just listen to some of his songs and you know hes one of the best in the game....
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and Producer/Rapper goes to Havoc IMO
^^ someone who raps and produces...
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flow-nas
delivery-2pac
wordplay-canibus
mic presence-ice cube
punch lines-big l
lyrically-immortal technique
story teller-biggie
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Flow = TOO MANY THAT I CONSIDER EQUALLY GOOD AT #1 SPOT
Delivery = 2Pac
Wordplay = Canibus/Chino XL
Mic Presence = Ice Cube
Punchlines = Canibus/Chino XL
Lyricist = Rakim/Ras Kass
Story Teller = Nas/Biggie
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just add who you think fits the category
flow-treach
delivery-big daddy kane
wordplay-common
mic presence-ice cube(88-93)
punch lines-lord finesse
lyrically-kool g rap
story teller-slick rick
man i went to a Lord finesse and kool g rap show in NYC back a few months. shit was sick as fuck.
you should add a voice category too, which i give to method man.
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flow-Snoop
delivery-2pac
wordplay-xzibit (speed of life-40 dayz) Nas (illmatic) Eminem
mic presence-2pac
punch lines-Em or Meth
lyrically-Ra or Em (rhyme wise) 2pac (content)
story teller-2pac
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and Producer/Rapper goes to Havoc IMO
^^ someone who raps and produces...
Celph Titled 8) It probably was the RZA back in the days...
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the best producer rapper is eminem...it was Dj quik but em has better lyrics and he's catching up to dj quik's production standard
i don't know how the fuck people say rza, he sux as a rapper and don't get me started on his prouduction methods again, a muh fucker might get banned again! lol
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the best producer rapper is eminem...it was Dj quik but em has better lyrics and he's catching up to dj quik's production standard
i don't know how the fuck people say rza, he sux as a rapper and don't get me started on his prouduction methods again, a muh fucker might get banned again! lol
Em owns Quik on the mic (even thought Quik is dope). But Quik is a much much better producer, although Em is getting better.
rza has some good beats, but his rapping is average.
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just add who you think fits the category
flow-treach
delivery-big daddy kane
wordplay-common
mic presence-ice cube(88-93)
punch lines-lord finesse
lyrically-kool g rap
story teller-slick rick
man i went to a Lord finesse and kool g rap show in NYC back a few months. shit was sick as fuck.
you should add a voice category too, which i give to method man.
yep, if it wasnt for finesse there would be no big l. best rapper/producer ever. we can thank g rap for pun too.
for voice id say krs