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Title: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: .:DayGoStyLz:. on July 20, 2004, 02:55:24 PM
Not to diss M-Doggs topic. It isnt his fault for all the responses. But, who do yall pick to win next year. But heres the catch, DO NOT PICK YOUR FAVORITE TEAM! lol. Thats the problem with these threads....everyone just picks their own favorite team. So make your choice for next year, but dont just pick your team. Dont get it wrong, its still Spurs for me. But i just wanna see where everybodies heads are at.

My pics...

Detroit vs Minnesota

Minnesota Champs


teams to watch, Denver/Houston
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: Don Jacob on July 20, 2004, 03:12:08 PM
i'mma say Minnesota aswell granted garnett doesn't choke again, garnett is a hungry ass player i dunno you can see it in his eyes he wants it more than anyone in the NBA right now. He's got that same look shaq had back in 2000. Garnett ain't no shaq but right now he has better players around him.

from the east it might be the pistons , but i don't have a lot of faith in them to be honest with you..new york looks to be serious so i'm going to go with them.


MVP: Shaq...there's no doubt about it the Heat will have an Increadibly better record, there's no doubt Shaq will be the Heat's best asset, he's going to make his teammates better. He's already the MVP

Teams to watch: Denver....they'll finish 4th in the west  and Memphis 6th

Houston won't be shit....mc grady ....all he can do is score and dunk , he has no d, he has no leadership skills whatso ever and the 2 reasons why houston made the playoffs in the first place are in orlando right now. Francis and Mobley WILL be MISSED. Yao Ming sux straight up he has a good game every 12 games or so....maybe that's enough in china but this is the NBA .
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: Doggystylin on July 20, 2004, 06:02:58 PM
West - Minnesota or Lakers
Team to watch is Denver

East - New York or Miami
Team to watch is Detriot
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: pappy on July 20, 2004, 06:51:44 PM
detroit repeat

detroit over the t-wolves
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: pappy on July 20, 2004, 06:52:05 PM
West - Minnesota or Lakers
Team to watch is Denver

East - New York or Miami
Team to watch is Detriot

new york aint doing shit again this year
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: Doggystylin on July 20, 2004, 10:14:48 PM
What do you mean aint doing shit AGAIN, they made major improvements last year from the season before. Isiah Thomas came in and turned the whole team around. There was like 3 people left from the original roster after he got done trading. He aquired Stephon Marbury for some nobodys and brought in Lenny Wilkens. The team actually made the playoffs this year and that was without Allan Houston who was sitting on the bench for the whole 2nd half of the season. With a few more trades here and there, the Knicks could very well be title contenders.
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: eS El Duque on July 20, 2004, 10:57:26 PM
T-wolves 8)
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: The Big Bad Ass on July 21, 2004, 01:38:49 AM
Well, I'd love to say the Pacers... but thats what I said last year, and look where it got me them... I feel Detroit has the best chance. They made the Lakers, and every sports analyst across america look silly.
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: ecrazy on July 21, 2004, 03:11:47 AM
Seriously, Its going to be The CLIPPERS

Shaun Livingston & Elton Brand Are Unstopabble!!!!!!

CLIPPERS BITCH!
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: 7even on July 21, 2004, 06:18:16 AM
Seriously, Its going to be The CLIPPERS

Shaun Livingston & Elton Brand Are Unstopabble!!!!!!

CLIPPERS BITCH!

you remind me of that JimJones guy

both supporting one weak as fuck thing and acting like it's awesome.
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: M Dogg™ on July 21, 2004, 07:29:20 AM
With the signing of Divac, and if they can pick up Karl Malone, I think the Lakers will comeback to win it all. Odam is way better than George, Fox, Walton, take a pick, and Bulter is a better backup than any of them. Hopefully we trade some of those small fowards for a back up point guard. But if the Lakers keep Malone, I think the Lakers can return to the finals. Now will they win, lets just say it's up to Shaq.

Who should be in the finals:

Detroit beating Minnesota 4-3

Who will be in the finals: (i.e. the NBA fixing for the highest ratings)

Miami beating Los Angeles Lakers 4-2
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: pappy on July 21, 2004, 11:46:10 AM
What do you mean aint doing shit AGAIN, they made major improvements last year from the season before. Isiah Thomas came in and turned the whole team around. There was like 3 people left from the original roster after he got done trading. He aquired Stephon Marbury for some nobodys and brought in Lenny Wilkens. The team actually made the playoffs this year and that was without Allan Houston who was sitting on the bench for the whole 2nd half of the season. With a few more trades here and there, the Knicks could very well be title contenders.

There big man is Kurt thomas lol.  Allan Houston is one of the if not the most overatted players in basketball.  He doesnt play defense an for what there paying him the knicks would love it if he got injured an he couldnt play anymore so they could out out of that contract.  Michael Sweenty has been a bust so far.  They have a horrible bench b/c they have bums like shandon anderson signed to big contracts an they cant move them.  They got a decent team with a lot of holes.  Even if they sign jamal crawford an eric dampier they will only see 2nd round of the playoffs an every knick fan in new york knows that.  a definite improvement from last year.
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: Montana00 on July 21, 2004, 12:06:43 PM
whoa wait a minute... this thread is "for real"? so we were just pretending in the other thread? ok then.

Pistons were a one hit wonder. I dont think any team in the east will win it this season, but right now im not to sure who from the west will be the winner. i gotta watch at least half the season before i can guess.
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: RXL on July 21, 2004, 08:14:08 PM
Garnett needs a ring... Really..
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: PLANT on July 21, 2004, 09:01:18 PM
Wouldnt it be crazy if the Lakers and Heat played each other in the Finals...Now that would be some shit!
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: KING VerbalAssaulta on July 22, 2004, 01:28:52 PM
though i cant stand them...probably san antonio(added brent barry, plus resigned ginobili and still have duncan) they'll beat indiana or detriot...though i stil think indiana can win it all  8)
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: .:DayGoStyLz:. on July 22, 2004, 02:03:45 PM
whoa wait a minute... this thread is "for real"? so we were just pretending in the other thread? ok then.


not so much that everybody was pretending. But if u noticed in the other thread, and most threads like it. 99% of the people responding just pick their favorite team (Big Bad Ass is the 1% i think). So i just wanted to see what everybody would vote on, WITHOUT picking their favorite team. (M-Dogg didnt understand the thread apparently lol).
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: .:DayGoStyLz:. on July 22, 2004, 02:08:27 PM
Houston won't be shit....mc grady ....all he can do is score and dunk , he has no d, he has no leadership skills whatso ever and the 2 reasons why houston made the playoffs in the first place are in orlando right now. Francis and Mobley WILL be MISSED. Yao Ming sux straight up he has a good game every 12 games or so....maybe that's enough in china but this is the NBA .

i dunno. Yao is definetely better then Average. youve gotta admit that. Their success all has to do with McGrady's attitude this year. We'll see if he can play in a different type of offense, where he's gonna be feeding the post quite a bit. Kind of why i think of them as a team to watch. They can either be off the chain, or be a flop. I feel u on Francis n Mobley tho. Even tho i think Duncan is the best player in the league, Francis has always been my favorite actually. The only problem with Francis is, he's not a natural point guard. They just tried to turn him into one. He's been doin a good job, but he is DEFINETELY a scorer.
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: pappy on July 22, 2004, 02:12:30 PM
whoa wait a minute... this thread is "for real"? so we were just pretending in the other thread? ok then.


not so much that everybody was pretending. But if u noticed in the other thread, and most threads like it. 99% of the people responding just pick their favorite team (Big Bad Ass is the 1% i think). So i just wanted to see what everybody would vote on, WITHOUT picking their favorite team. (M-Dogg didnt understand the thread apparently lol).

what about me i should be in that 1%.... i didnt choose the bulls lol
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: .:DayGoStyLz:. on July 22, 2004, 02:33:11 PM
whoa wait a minute... this thread is "for real"? so we were just pretending in the other thread? ok then.


not so much that everybody was pretending. But if u noticed in the other thread, and most threads like it. 99% of the people responding just pick their favorite team (Big Bad Ass is the 1% i think). So i just wanted to see what everybody would vote on, WITHOUT picking their favorite team. (M-Dogg didnt understand the thread apparently lol).

what about me i should be in that 1%.... i didnt choose the bulls lol

98%
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: Javier on July 22, 2004, 02:52:10 PM
make it less....look who i chose dammit.
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on July 22, 2004, 03:01:44 PM
^^LOL...That doesn't make you any cooler; just less of a fan.
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: Javier on July 22, 2004, 03:08:37 PM
^^LOL...That doesn't make you any cooler; just less of a fan.

and a blind fan makes u a better fan?  Have a realistic goal.

Give me 10 good reasons why the Lakers will win the NBA FInals. 10 and no bs reasons neither.
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: .:DayGoStyLz:. on July 22, 2004, 03:16:32 PM
^^LOL...That doesn't make you any cooler; just less of a fan.

and a blind fan makes u a better fan?  Have a realistic goal.

Give me 10 good reasons why the Lakers will win the NBA FInals. 10 and no bs reasons neither.

Cus losing Shaq obviously would make the team better... ::)
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: Montana00 on July 22, 2004, 03:52:15 PM
God i hate xtreme laker fans. Granted i rooted for them during the championship (big mistake), but im not one of those fans that say "theyll win for sure"

OPEN YOUR EYES. LOOK AT THE LAKERS CURRENT ROSTER.  THEY HAVE NO FUCKING CHANCE TO WIN THE CHAMPIONSHIP.


O wait my bad i musta forgot to read the whole roster....i missed a name. LUKE WALTON, how could i forget him!!!!!

I tAke back everything i said. The lakers are definetly gonna win the championship, THEY HAVE LUKE WALTON!!!!!! For those of you who dont know Luke walton is a superb rookie player, who has been compared to the likes of Jon Barry!!!!
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on July 22, 2004, 05:24:05 PM
You people aren't fans one bit...Have you ever heard of having faith in your team? I mean, come on...You don't see Mich Kupchak, Jerry Buss, and Rudy Tomjanavich running around saying "I think Minnesota will win the championship"...That would just be a slap in the face to the fans...If you're a fan, you root for your team and have faith for your team...When you claim your a fan, and then say "I doubt they have a chance this year," that makes me question your credebility as a fan...With a starting lining that includes the best player in the game (Kobe Bryant), a proven star forward (Lamar Odom), an up and coming star (Caron Butler), a hall of a fame player (Gary Payton), and one of the few good centers in the game (Vlade Divac)...How can you even have the guts to say the Lakers aren't in the run?...That's not a fan, buddy...PeACe
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: .:DayGoStyLz:. on July 22, 2004, 05:32:25 PM
You people aren't fans one bit...Have you ever heard of having faith in your team? I mean, come on...You don't see Mich Kupchak, Jerry Buss, and Rudy Tomjanavich running around saying "I think Minnesota will win the championship"...That would just be a slap in the face to the fans...If you're a fan, you root for your team and have faith for your team...When you claim your a fan, and then say "I doubt they have a chance this year," that makes me question your credebility as a fan...With a starting lining that includes the best player in the game (Kobe Bryant), a proven star forward (Lamar Odom), an up and coming star (Caron Butler), a hall of a fame player (Gary Payton), and one of the few good centers in the game (Vlade Divac)...How can you even have the guts to say the Lakers aren't in the run?...That's not a fan, buddy...PeACe

naw man. Fans dont have to be blind tho. Yeah, u should support your team always. And if youre a real fan u always pull for em. But that doesnt mean you should be unrealistic about shit. There are plenty of Clipper fans in LA...do u think that in order to be a REAL Clipper fan, u should believe that they are winning the title this next year? lol right.
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: .:DayGoStyLz:. on July 22, 2004, 05:34:04 PM
You people aren't fans one bit...Have you ever heard of having faith in your team? I mean, come on...You don't see Mich Kupchak, Jerry Buss, and Rudy Tomjanavich running around saying "I think Minnesota will win the championship"...That would just be a slap in the face to the fans...If you're a fan, you root for your team and have faith for your team...When you claim your a fan, and then say "I doubt they have a chance this year," that makes me question your credebility as a fan...With a starting lining that includes the best player in the game (Kobe Bryant), a proven star forward (Lamar Odom), an up and coming star (Caron Butler), a hall of a fame player (Gary Payton), and one of the few good centers in the game (Vlade Divac)...How can you even have the guts to say the Lakers aren't in the run?...That's not a fan, buddy...PeACe

oh btw, if SA lost Duncan this year...and only got a few average players for him, i wouldnt say theyd win the title next year.
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on July 22, 2004, 05:52:25 PM
If you're a Clipper fan, you should be pulling for them to make the playoffs...That's the Clippers goal...Lakers goal isn't to make the playoffs, it's to win a championship, and to be a fan, you must have faith...Shaq was slowing down the Lakers, and I think the Lakers improved this year...Kobe wont have a selfish fatso begging for the bell, and complaining that he doesn't get it enough after every game...This is Kobe's Jordan year...PeACe
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: Javier on July 22, 2004, 06:10:50 PM
Clippers goal-  Get to the playoffs
Twolves goal-  win it all
Spurs goal- win it all
Pitsons goal- Repeat
Heat goal-  Eastern Conference Finals
Lakers goal-  Start rebuilding, see what kind of damage they can do in the playoffs and IMPROVE to be Next years contenders.  Kobe has the talent...its barely his first year to prove what hes made of. I GOTTA SEE TO BELIEVE.  PLus Jordan had more help on his team than what kobe has to work with right now.  Where are the true 3 pt. shooters? The Rebounders?  Top Notch defender?

NIK...ur starting to sound like Jack Haley. 


Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: M Dogg™ on July 22, 2004, 06:46:35 PM
Let's put it this way. Every year since 1999, when Jordan retired, I have predicted that the Lakers would win every year. 3 out of 6 years, I was right, and the other 3 they were close. Why in the blue hell am I going to change my prediction, when Jerry Buss has put together winning teams for years. Since 1980, the Lakers have missed the playoffs once, made the NBA Finals, 12 times, and won 8. To beat against the Lakers is like beating against Mike Tyson, or the New York Yankees, sure neither has won a big title in a while, but the Yankees still find ways to win, and Mike Tyson is still only one punch away from winning. So I am satisfied with my chose. Miami Heat over the Los Angeles Lakers 4-2. I even said that the teams that should be there are the T'Wolves and the Pistons. Hell you can count that as who I think is going in if you want. I think they are the best teams, but the best teams don't always win the finals, and for some strange reason, the refs call favors the highest rated match ups.
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on July 22, 2004, 07:28:02 PM
Clippers goal-  Get to the playoffs
Twolves goal-  win it all
Spurs goal- win it all
Pitsons goal- Repeat
Heat goal-  Eastern Conference Finals
Lakers goal-  Start rebuilding, see what kind of damage they can do in the playoffs and IMPROVE to be Next years contenders.  Kobe has the talent...its barely his first year to prove what hes made of. I GOTTA SEE TO BELIEVE.  PLus Jordan had more help on his team than what kobe has to work with right now.  Where are the true 3 pt. shooters? The Rebounders?  Top Notch defender?

NIK...ur starting to sound like Jack Haley. 



And you're starting to sound like a Laker hater... ::)
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: Trauma-san on July 22, 2004, 07:30:53 PM
Charlotte Bobcats, all the way.  Undefeated, I can see it coming.  If it doesn't happen, it's because our owner is Black, and being held down by the man .
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: Javier on July 22, 2004, 08:28:57 PM
what has kobe said after shaq was traded away?  "its going to be a challenge"   "it will be fun"  "uphilll battle"

Signs of a contender huh?

what has Jerry and jeanie buss said?  "rebuilding", "we have to move on"

WOW ur right nik...they are saying they are going to win it next year
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: .:DayGoStyLz:. on July 23, 2004, 12:34:38 AM
If you're a Clipper fan, you should be pulling for them to make the playoffs...That's the Clippers goal...Lakers goal isn't to make the playoffs, it's to win a championship, and to be a fan, you must have faith...Shaq was slowing down the Lakers, and I think the Lakers improved this year...Kobe wont have a selfish fatso begging for the bell, and complaining that he doesn't get it enough after every game...This is Kobe's Jordan year...PeACe

I just dont see how they improved. I dont think u can take Shaq off of the team, and improve unless u got some real talent for him. Not to mention, if either of the twosome was selfish...it was Kobe. He should be happy this year, cus he can take every single shot of every single game now. And yes, the Lakers will definetely be better then the Clips...but i dont think its realistic to think theyll win the title this year. If they keep the same team together...maybe the following year they can contend. This coming year, i dont predict anything higher then 5th in the West. And more then likely, lower then that.
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on July 23, 2004, 01:04:29 AM
what has kobe said after shaq was traded away?  "its going to be a challenge"   "it will be fun"  "uphilll battle"

Signs of a contender huh?

what has Jerry and jeanie buss said?  "rebuilding", "we have to move on"

WOW ur right nik...they are saying they are going to win it next year


I'm pretty sure they were picking other teams to win the championship... ::)
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: ecrazy on July 23, 2004, 03:22:12 AM
You people aren't fans one bit...Have you ever heard of having faith in your team? I mean, come on...You don't see Mich Kupchak, Jerry Buss, and Rudy Tomjanavich running around saying "I think Minnesota will win the championship"...That would just be a slap in the face to the fans...If you're a fan, you root for your team and have faith for your team...When you claim your a fan, and then say "I doubt they have a chance this year," that makes me question your credebility as a fan...With a starting lining that includes the best player in the game (Kobe Bryant), a proven star forward (Lamar Odom), an up and coming star (Caron Butler), a hall of a fame player (Gary Payton), and one of the few good centers in the game (Vlade Divac)...How can you even have the guts to say the Lakers aren't in the run?...That's not a fan, buddy...PeACe

naw man. Fans dont have to be blind tho. Yeah, u should support your team always. And if youre a real fan u always pull for em. But that doesnt mean you should be unrealistic about shit. There are plenty of Clipper fans in LA...do u think that in order to be a REAL Clipper fan, u should believe that they are winning the title this next year? lol right.

If you're a Clipper fan, you should be pulling for them to make the playoffs...That's the Clippers goal...Lakers goal isn't to make the playoffs, it's to win a championship, and to be a fan, you must have faith...Shaq was slowing down the Lakers, and I think the Lakers improved this year...Kobe wont have a selfish fatso begging for the bell, and complaining that he doesn't get it enough after every game...This is Kobe's Jordan year...PeACe

Clippers goal-  Get to the playoffs
Twolves goal-  win it all
Spurs goal- win it all
Pitsons goal- Repeat
Heat goal-  Eastern Conference Finals
Lakers goal-  Start rebuilding, see what kind of damage they can do in the playoffs and IMPROVE to be Next years contenders.  Kobe has the talent...its barely his first year to prove what hes made of. I GOTTA SEE TO BELIEVE.  PLus Jordan had more help on his team than what kobe has to work with right now.  Where are the true 3 pt. shooters? The Rebounders?  Top Notch defender?

NIK...ur starting to sound like Jack Haley. 


OK, LET ME MAKE THIS VERY CLEAR FOR EVERYONE - THE CLIPPERS ARE GOING TO WIN IT ALL!!!!!!
PERIOD, SHAUN LIVINGSTON IS THE FUTURE!!!!!!

CLIPPERS - 2005 CHAMPS

I wouldnt be dissapointed just makin it to the playoffs neither.... :P
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: Javier on July 23, 2004, 07:41:50 AM
of course they are not picking other teams.  but have you heard anybody say "anything short of a championship will be a dissapointment to this upcoming Laker team.

look at the history of the great centers, wait look at the history of the Lakers.  Each dynasty has had a legendary center...and when they didnt have a legendary center but a Hall of Fame team they just came oh so close to win it all almost every damn year with West and Baylor.  Wilt helped them to get over that hump.  The Lakers dont win rings....we get dynasties bro.  And a dynasty is not build right away after another one is gone.  It takes time.  So far it is looking okay.  Within in these next 3 years they are going to have to start getting some solid role players to play with kobe. 
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on July 25, 2004, 10:56:01 PM
of course they are not picking other teams.  but have you heard anybody say "anything short of a championship will be a dissapointment to this upcoming Laker team.

look at the history of the great centers, wait look at the history of the Lakers.  Each dynasty has had a legendary center...and when they didnt have a legendary center but a Hall of Fame team they just came oh so close to win it all almost every damn year with West and Baylor.  Wilt helped them to get over that hump.  The Lakers dont win rings....we get dynasties bro.  And a dynasty is not build right away after another one is gone.  It takes time.  So far it is looking okay.  Within in these next 3 years they are going to have to start getting some solid role players to play with kobe. 


One word...Bulls.
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: .:DayGoStyLz:. on July 26, 2004, 11:38:35 AM
of course they are not picking other teams.  but have you heard anybody say "anything short of a championship will be a dissapointment to this upcoming Laker team.

look at the history of the great centers, wait look at the history of the Lakers.  Each dynasty has had a legendary center...and when they didnt have a legendary center but a Hall of Fame team they just came oh so close to win it all almost every damn year with West and Baylor.  Wilt helped them to get over that hump.  The Lakers dont win rings....we get dynasties bro.  And a dynasty is not build right away after another one is gone.  It takes time.  So far it is looking okay.  Within in these next 3 years they are going to have to start getting some solid role players to play with kobe. 


One word...Bulls.

yeah but the Bulls had Jordan. The Lakers just have Kobe.
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: Javier on July 26, 2004, 11:51:01 AM
Bulls had....


3 pt shooters
Defensive Players everywhere
Rebounders

Lakers have Kobe, KObe, and Kobe with Lamar

Dammit, dont be fucking blind.  Its not even close to being the same team.





Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: .:DayGoStyLz:. on July 26, 2004, 11:54:29 AM
Bulls had....


3 pt shooters
Defensive Players everywhere
Rebounders

Lakers have Kobe, KObe, and Kobe with Lamar

Dammit, dont be fucking blind.  Its not even close to being the same team.







ive tried this before man, dont stess yourself out lol. You can spend all week trying to blind man see, and the end of the week...he'll still be blind. I like fans who support their team. I just cant stand when they arent logical about the shit.
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on July 26, 2004, 01:16:00 PM
^^You've tried what? To tell me that the Spurs were gunna take it this year, and put out the Lakers?...Yea, get your head out your ass...I already saw Jake turn around and say the Spurs were gunna take it this year, and now I'm seeing Javier say Lakers aren't contenders...I don't think I'm gunna follow the trend...PeACe
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: Smoke on July 26, 2004, 04:58:16 PM
I still cant judge the Lakers. It all depends on Malone re-signing and on a couple of trades they'll hopefully make to get a new PG and maybe another 3pt shooter (only George is really good from 3pts now that Fisher is gone). But c'mon.. some of you all are too pessimistic about them. Lakers CAN be contenders no doubt. They still have Kobe Bryant, the man who already used to take the team over his shoulders in the 4th quarters. He was the real go-to-guy, in the hard situations. Duncan took the last shoot against the Lakers, in the infamous "a-lucky-shoot-deserved-another-lucky-shoot". Shaq never did it (it was always Horry or Kobe). Shaq dominates inside, no doubt. But he aint good for the Lakers. I mean the Lakers roster wasnt perfect for him. I see him perfectly in San Antonio: where they all defend, they never shoot (unless they have to), they pass the pall to Duncan, 99% of the offensive games they do, they do around Duncan. I see Shaq as a perfect player in Miami, where there are no Kobe Bryant, but Eddie Jones (Shaq already dissed him when he was a Laker) who's a good defender and 3pt shooter, and Wade (who's fast and who got talent, but who's still in the position of his career where he'll make a step back to give Shaq the keys of the team, just to win something. Kobe isnt). Without Shaq, Lakers will run. And name me better runners than Payton, Kobe, George, Odom, Butler. And better passers than Divac and hopefully Malone (the 2 best assistmen in the league in their positions). And even Walton. Plus you forgot about Coach T. A wonderful coach who already won 2 Championships. Man Lakers are changing their style, but they still there. Remember Sacramento almost killed Lakers' dynasty with Divac center and without Shaq. Remember Detroit did it with Ben Wallace center. And, honestly, he aint that better than Divac and Brian Grant. I still think they can do damage in the West. Expecially with Malone. Let's sign him!!
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: PhantomChild on July 26, 2004, 05:27:55 PM
Well even though my team is the Orlando "Magic"(they prob ain't gonna do nadda this year anyways)

i'm going & rootin for either the "T-Wolves" or "Pacers".(Very Wild Card)the "Knicks"
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: Javier on July 26, 2004, 10:32:46 PM
Remember Detroit did it with Ben Wallace center. And, honestly, he aint that better than Divac and Brian Grant.

for the love of basketball,  tell me u were kidding there? 
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: .:DayGoStyLz:. on July 27, 2004, 01:19:52 AM
^^You've tried what? To tell me that the Spurs were gunna take it this year, and put out the Lakers?...Yea, get your head out your ass...I already saw Jake turn around and say the Spurs were gunna take it this year, and now I'm seeing Javier say Lakers aren't contenders...I don't think I'm gunna follow the trend...PeACe

No. But the Spurs winning the Championship wasnt an unreasonable prediction. They were favored to beat LA if u remember. So for me to say theyd take the title...wasnt a crazy thought. I actually said whoever won the LA/SA series would take the title, but i was wrong. Now, like i said...theres a difference between a fan/supporter....and just being blind. Once again...if SA lost Duncan next year, i wouldnt pick them to win the title the following year (yes, id still be goin for them to win it)...but common sense would take over lol. It just hasnt for you yet.
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on July 27, 2004, 01:29:31 AM
If the Spurs just lost Tony Parker, I doubt you'd lose hope...Kobe Bryant has been the leader ever since Shaq got old & lazy...I'm not blind, Lakers winning the Championship isn't an unreasonable prediction...PeACe
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: Smoke on July 27, 2004, 01:58:52 AM
Remember Detroit did it with Ben Wallace center. And, honestly, he aint that better than Divac and Brian Grant.

for the love of basketball,  tell me u were kidding there? 

No. Not at all. You know, Ben Wallace used to play in Italy too, in the second division, so i've seen him live, and i know how wack he is if we talk about some aspects of his game. Offensivly, he's shit. He suffered here too, he suffers even against Shaq, tecnically. He never makes a shoot from himself, but he has to grab an offensive rebound to get a chance to score. He's def not the kind of center who can turn an average NBA team into a 3-in-a-row team like Shaq did. Divac is a basketball player. I mean he knows the game, like almost all the Europeans who grew up here. He's the n.1 assist man in the league as a C, and he's the 18th overall. He's old, ok, but he can still put there quality minutes, he can still defend, and he can still give Shaq problems (he did it in the infamous Lakers-Sac serie). Let's say for 15-20 mins a game he's still a quality center. I know 90% in the States cares about dunks and power more, but i'm European, European style, and there's no centers in the NBA who knows the basketball game more than Divac. If you have Brian Grant as a backup center (and Brian has the same charatteristics of Ben Wallace: great passion, defence, he's always the small guy against giants, etc..), i think it's not really worse than having Ben Wallace as a center. None of them are dominant players. And Divac+Grant aint that worse, like i said, than Ben Wallace.
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: .:DayGoStyLz:. on July 27, 2004, 02:00:38 AM
If the Spurs just lost Tony Parker, I doubt you'd lose hope...Kobe Bryant has been the leader ever since Shaq got old & lazy...I'm not blind, Lakers winning the Championship isn't an unreasonable prediction...PeACe

Kobe wasnt the leader man. He was just the one looking for all the attention. That doesnt make him the leader, just a spoiled little brat that cant handle playing his ROLE.
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on July 27, 2004, 02:24:30 AM
If the Spurs just lost Tony Parker, I doubt you'd lose hope...Kobe Bryant has been the leader ever since Shaq got old & lazy...I'm not blind, Lakers winning the Championship isn't an unreasonable prediction...PeACe

Kobe wasnt the leader man. He was just the one looking for all the attention. That doesnt make him the leader, just a spoiled little brat that cant handle playing his ROLE.


I always hear you talking about how Kobe looks for attention, and how he's not a leader...You're most definitely a hater...Show me proof of Kobe looking for attention... And how is he not a leader when all his teamates have praised him and said they've learned from him one time or another?...Shaq is the one who left, right? It looks like Shaq's the one who wanted the attention...He couldn't handle Kobe getting all the spotlight and attention from Jerry Buss & Mitch Kupchak...Kobe is one of the greatest players to ever play the game...You're just a hater on a message board who can't get his facts straight...End of story.
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: Smoke on July 27, 2004, 02:52:08 AM
If the Spurs just lost Tony Parker, I doubt you'd lose hope...Kobe Bryant has been the leader ever since Shaq got old & lazy...I'm not blind, Lakers winning the Championship isn't an unreasonable prediction...PeACe

Kobe wasnt the leader man. He was just the one looking for all the attention. That doesnt make him the leader, just a spoiled little brat that cant handle playing his ROLE.

Is it to hard to say Kobe is the best player in the league?
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: -VZA- on July 27, 2004, 08:13:46 AM
It's way too early to say because there are still trades to be made and what not... Nobody could've possibly thought that Detroit was going to win it all last year until they acquired Rasheed.  Even when they got Rasheed, I knew they would win the east but I never figured they'd beat the west.
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on July 27, 2004, 01:29:54 PM
If the Spurs just lost Tony Parker, I doubt you'd lose hope...Kobe Bryant has been the leader ever since Shaq got old & lazy...I'm not blind, Lakers winning the Championship isn't an unreasonable prediction...PeACe

Kobe wasnt the leader man. He was just the one looking for all the attention. That doesnt make him the leader, just a spoiled little brat that cant handle playing his ROLE.

Is it to hard to say Kobe is the best player in the league?


Only for a hater.
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: .:DayGoStyLz:. on July 27, 2004, 04:39:28 PM
If the Spurs just lost Tony Parker, I doubt you'd lose hope...Kobe Bryant has been the leader ever since Shaq got old & lazy...I'm not blind, Lakers winning the Championship isn't an unreasonable prediction...PeACe

Kobe wasnt the leader man. He was just the one looking for all the attention. That doesnt make him the leader, just a spoiled little brat that cant handle playing his ROLE.

Is it to hard to say Kobe is the best player in the league?

only because he isnt. What has he done to prove that? How many MVP's does he have? How many times has he lead his team to the championship without SHAQ? And now that Shaq IS gone...LA will be somewhere between 4th and 6th in the west probably. He shoots alot, his game is cold and hot. He isnt consistent. Sounds like the best player in the league to me  ::)
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: .:DayGoStyLz:. on July 27, 2004, 04:48:16 PM
If the Spurs just lost Tony Parker, I doubt you'd lose hope...Kobe Bryant has been the leader ever since Shaq got old & lazy...I'm not blind, Lakers winning the Championship isn't an unreasonable prediction...PeACe

Kobe wasnt the leader man. He was just the one looking for all the attention. That doesnt make him the leader, just a spoiled little brat that cant handle playing his ROLE.


I always hear you talking about how Kobe looks for attention, and how he's not a leader...You're most definitely a hater...Show me proof of Kobe looking for attention... And how is he not a leader when all his teamates have praised him and said they've learned from him one time or another?...Shaq is the one who left, right? It looks like Shaq's the one who wanted the attention...He couldn't handle Kobe getting all the spotlight and attention from Jerry Buss & Mitch Kupchak...Kobe is one of the greatest players to ever play the game...You're just a hater on a message board who can't get his facts straight...End of story.

Yeah, and Shaq's teammates praised him too. Duncans Teammates praise him. Garnetts praise him. Its called knowing your position on the team. If a role player doesnt get along with a star...the role player goes. You ride Kobe's dick so unbelievably. I would have to say you are BY FAR the biggest dick rider in the world. You should definetely put on a kobe jersey, a skirt, and get some pom poms. Like i said, Kobe has never been MVP...and id be surprised if he ever is lol. MAYBE he has a shot this year cus he can shoot EVERY SINGLE time down the floor like he wants, and try to score his 30-35 points a game that he wants. Meanwhile, his team will lose. Thats a leader huh? Youre so blind its ridiculous. Your team is OBVIOUSLY (to any person who doesnt have Kobe's dick down their throat) worse then last year. Considerably worse. And the worst part is, they are leaving the team in Kobe's hands. He's the only veteran in the game, that isnt mature enough to run a team.  If you cant see that taking Shaq OFF the team, makes them weaker...then you know even less about basketball then i thought you did.

As for Kobe bein one of the best of all time....yeah, he's definetely one of the top 50 of all time...or so. He hasnt proved anything yet.
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: Smoke on July 28, 2004, 03:40:27 AM
only because he isnt. What has he done to prove that? How many MVP's does he have? How many times has he lead his team to the championship without SHAQ? And now that Shaq IS gone...LA will be somewhere between 4th and 6th in the west probably. He shoots alot, his game is cold and hot. He isnt consistent. Sounds like the best player in the league to me  ::)

Some things to remember:

1) Shaq never won a championship before Kobe. I dont mean Kobe is the only reason why Shaq has 3 rings right now, but the combo is. Shaq lost an NBA title having Penny & a pretty hot team in Orlando, back in the days. Hakeem schooled him. Then he moved to L.A., and he didnt win an NBA title having E.Jones, Campbell, Fisher, Ceballos and them all. Only when Kobe was mature (lol, 20-21) enought to be a starter for the Lakers, and only when Phil arrived to L.A., Shaq started to not only dominate the game, but to take the necessary steps to actually win the game. With Kobe. No Kobe no party for Shaq. That's been proved. And i'm waiting Shaq to win the NBA title in Miami now, like he promised. At least Kobe aint promising it.

2) If you replace Kobe with Shaq in the actual Lakers roster, you'll still have a potentially 4th and 6th in the west team. Cause both are too important to cut one. If you do, it's cause you want to rebuild the team around one of them. And obviously the 25 years old Kobe is the right guy.

3) You said Kobe shoots too much? Ok. Stats:

2003-04 Regular Season Field Goals Per 48 Minutes 
1. Kevin Garnett (Minnesota Timberwolves) 82 804 11.94
2. Tracy McGrady (Orlando Magic) 67 653 11.72
3. Tim Duncan (San Antonio Spurs) 69 592 11.24
4. Shaquille O'Neal (Los Angeles Lakers) 67 554 10.79
5. Sam Cassell (Minnesota Timberwolves) 81 620 10.49
6. Vince Carter (Toronto Raptors) 73 608 10.48
6. Rodney White (Denver Nuggets) 72 215 10.48
8. Jermaine O'Neal (Indiana Pacers) 78 608 10.47
9. Zach Randolph (Portland Trail Blazers) 81 663 10.38
10. Allen Iverson (Philadelphia 76ers) 48 435 10.24
11. Kobe Bryant (Los Angeles Lakers) 65 516 10.12

And he always call the ball, man. He's the 4th in the league.

3) Some statistics about Kobe Bryant.
Ranks #4 in the NBA in Points Per Game (24.0)
Ranks #3 in the NBA in Free Throws (454.0)
Ranks #5 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts (533.0)
Ranks #14 in the NBA in Points (1557.0)
Ranks #11 in the NBA in Field Goals Per 48 Minutes (10.12)
Ranks #10 in the NBA in Field-Goal Attempts Per 48 Minutes (23.11)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Free Throws Per 48 Minutes (8.91)
Ranks #5 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts Per 48 Minutes (10.46)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Points Per 48 Minutes (30.5)
Ranks #9 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking (22.68)
Ranks #12 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking Per 48 Minutes (28.91)

4) To judge the best player in the league, imo, we should see just a pair of statistics: POINTS IN THE 4TH QUARTERS, LAST SHOTS CONVERTED. In the first one, Shaq pratically is out the top50 in the league. In the last one, well.. i still remember some couple shots by Kobe, against Portland (twice), Detroit, etc.. And even if he didnt convert them, he tried.

Now please..
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: Javier on July 28, 2004, 11:51:29 AM
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Only when Kobe was mature (lol, 20-21) enought to be a starter for the Lakers, and only when Phil arrived to L.A.,


I believe it was mainly Phil.  Phil helped BOTH shaq and kobe to mature.  but towards the end both players started acting like little kids.  Even Rodman has said when he got there in 1999 he left because millionaires were bitching too much.  Hmm wonder what two players
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: Smoke on July 28, 2004, 01:40:21 PM
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Only when Kobe was mature (lol, 20-21) enought to be a starter for the Lakers, and only when Phil arrived to L.A.,
I believe it was mainly Phil.  Phil helped BOTH shaq and kobe to mature.  but towards the end both players started acting like little kids.  Even Rodman has said when he got there in 1999 he left because millionaires were bitching too much.  Hmm wonder what two players

Yeah, it was Phil. I mean Kobe and Shaq were two superstars with no rings, Phil was possibly the best coach ever with 6 rings and with Jordan loving him. They ducked down till they've won enought rings to think they can do it again alone.
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on July 28, 2004, 11:58:46 PM
If the Spurs just lost Tony Parker, I doubt you'd lose hope...Kobe Bryant has been the leader ever since Shaq got old & lazy...I'm not blind, Lakers winning the Championship isn't an unreasonable prediction...PeACe

Kobe wasnt the leader man. He was just the one looking for all the attention. That doesnt make him the leader, just a spoiled little brat that cant handle playing his ROLE.


I always hear you talking about how Kobe looks for attention, and how he's not a leader...You're most definitely a hater...Show me proof of Kobe looking for attention... And how is he not a leader when all his teamates have praised him and said they've learned from him one time or another?...Shaq is the one who left, right? It looks like Shaq's the one who wanted the attention...He couldn't handle Kobe getting all the spotlight and attention from Jerry Buss & Mitch Kupchak...Kobe is one of the greatest players to ever play the game...You're just a hater on a message board who can't get his facts straight...End of story.

Yeah, and Shaq's teammates praised him too. Duncans Teammates praise him. Garnetts praise him. Its called knowing your position on the team. If a role player doesnt get along with a star...the role player goes. You ride Kobe's dick so unbelievably. I would have to say you are BY FAR the biggest dick rider in the world. You should definetely put on a kobe jersey, a skirt, and get some pom poms. Like i said, Kobe has never been MVP...and id be surprised if he ever is lol. MAYBE he has a shot this year cus he can shoot EVERY SINGLE time down the floor like he wants, and try to score his 30-35 points a game that he wants. Meanwhile, his team will lose. Thats a leader huh? Youre so blind its ridiculous. Your team is OBVIOUSLY (to any person who doesnt have Kobe's dick down their throat) worse then last year. Considerably worse. And the worst part is, they are leaving the team in Kobe's hands. He's the only veteran in the game, that isnt mature enough to run a team.  If you cant see that taking Shaq OFF the team, makes them weaker...then you know even less about basketball then i thought you did.

As for Kobe bein one of the best of all time....yeah, he's definetely one of the top 50 of all time...or so. He hasnt proved anything yet.


You can say I'm a Kobe dickrider, and I can say you're a Kobe hater...I mean, look how much you hate on the guy, it's unbelievable...Even people who hate Kobe admit he's the best in the league right now...And Kobe is anything but inconsistent...You better check yourself man, because you sound stupid...PeACe
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: .:DayGoStyLz:. on July 29, 2004, 05:42:34 AM
If the Spurs just lost Tony Parker, I doubt you'd lose hope...Kobe Bryant has been the leader ever since Shaq got old & lazy...I'm not blind, Lakers winning the Championship isn't an unreasonable prediction...PeACe

Kobe wasnt the leader man. He was just the one looking for all the attention. That doesnt make him the leader, just a spoiled little brat that cant handle playing his ROLE.


I always hear you talking about how Kobe looks for attention, and how he's not a leader...You're most definitely a hater...Show me proof of Kobe looking for attention... And how is he not a leader when all his teamates have praised him and said they've learned from him one time or another?...Shaq is the one who left, right? It looks like Shaq's the one who wanted the attention...He couldn't handle Kobe getting all the spotlight and attention from Jerry Buss & Mitch Kupchak...Kobe is one of the greatest players to ever play the game...You're just a hater on a message board who can't get his facts straight...End of story.

Yeah, and Shaq's teammates praised him too. Duncans Teammates praise him. Garnetts praise him. Its called knowing your position on the team. If a role player doesnt get along with a star...the role player goes. You ride Kobe's dick so unbelievably. I would have to say you are BY FAR the biggest dick rider in the world. You should definetely put on a kobe jersey, a skirt, and get some pom poms. Like i said, Kobe has never been MVP...and id be surprised if he ever is lol. MAYBE he has a shot this year cus he can shoot EVERY SINGLE time down the floor like he wants, and try to score his 30-35 points a game that he wants. Meanwhile, his team will lose. Thats a leader huh? Youre so blind its ridiculous. Your team is OBVIOUSLY (to any person who doesnt have Kobe's dick down their throat) worse then last year. Considerably worse. And the worst part is, they are leaving the team in Kobe's hands. He's the only veteran in the game, that isnt mature enough to run a team.  If you cant see that taking Shaq OFF the team, makes them weaker...then you know even less about basketball then i thought you did.

As for Kobe bein one of the best of all time....yeah, he's definetely one of the top 50 of all time...or so. He hasnt proved anything yet.


You can say I'm a Kobe dickrider, and I can say you're a Kobe hater...I mean, look how much you hate on the guy, it's unbelievable...Even people who hate Kobe admit he's the best in the league right now...And Kobe is anything but inconsistent...You better check yourself man, because you sound stupid...PeACe

thats all you came back with? Who sounds stupid? lol. Who are the people that hate kobe that say he's the best in the game? lolol. Did you even watch last season? Did you see the MVP race? I mean come on. The only reason he received more sportcenter coverage then Shaq, was because he cheated on his wife and possibly raped somebody. Its good to be a fan of the guy. But be real. 95% of the people on this board who think he's the top player in the game, are Laker fans. And if he would have left instead of Shaq, you guys would be dickriding Shaq and saying Kobe was overrated lol. Youre such hypocrits. The man is good, obviously...but he has done NOTHING to prove himself the best player in the game. He's won some rings, while playing under Phil Jackson who damn near always wins, and along side Shaq who made Kobe's game better. He has done NOTHING on his own. I repeat...NOTHING. Duncan and Garnett both have excelled while being the only go to guy on their teams. Duncan winning 2 championships that way. Kobe, has been the sidekick But somehow, to you...that makes him the best? LOL.
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: Smoke on July 29, 2004, 05:56:26 AM
Please stop. Lakers can arrive 1st, 4th, 6th, out the playoffs. They are a completely new team, you cant judge them till they start the season.
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on July 29, 2004, 01:24:27 PM
If the Spurs just lost Tony Parker, I doubt you'd lose hope...Kobe Bryant has been the leader ever since Shaq got old & lazy...I'm not blind, Lakers winning the Championship isn't an unreasonable prediction...PeACe

Kobe wasnt the leader man. He was just the one looking for all the attention. That doesnt make him the leader, just a spoiled little brat that cant handle playing his ROLE.


I always hear you talking about how Kobe looks for attention, and how he's not a leader...You're most definitely a hater...Show me proof of Kobe looking for attention... And how is he not a leader when all his teamates have praised him and said they've learned from him one time or another?...Shaq is the one who left, right? It looks like Shaq's the one who wanted the attention...He couldn't handle Kobe getting all the spotlight and attention from Jerry Buss & Mitch Kupchak...Kobe is one of the greatest players to ever play the game...You're just a hater on a message board who can't get his facts straight...End of story.

Yeah, and Shaq's teammates praised him too. Duncans Teammates praise him. Garnetts praise him. Its called knowing your position on the team. If a role player doesnt get along with a star...the role player goes. You ride Kobe's dick so unbelievably. I would have to say you are BY FAR the biggest dick rider in the world. You should definetely put on a kobe jersey, a skirt, and get some pom poms. Like i said, Kobe has never been MVP...and id be surprised if he ever is lol. MAYBE he has a shot this year cus he can shoot EVERY SINGLE time down the floor like he wants, and try to score his 30-35 points a game that he wants. Meanwhile, his team will lose. Thats a leader huh? Youre so blind its ridiculous. Your team is OBVIOUSLY (to any person who doesnt have Kobe's dick down their throat) worse then last year. Considerably worse. And the worst part is, they are leaving the team in Kobe's hands. He's the only veteran in the game, that isnt mature enough to run a team.  If you cant see that taking Shaq OFF the team, makes them weaker...then you know even less about basketball then i thought you did.

As for Kobe bein one of the best of all time....yeah, he's definetely one of the top 50 of all time...or so. He hasnt proved anything yet.


You can say I'm a Kobe dickrider, and I can say you're a Kobe hater...I mean, look how much you hate on the guy, it's unbelievable...Even people who hate Kobe admit he's the best in the league right now...And Kobe is anything but inconsistent...You better check yourself man, because you sound stupid...PeACe

thats all you came back with? Who sounds stupid? lol. Who are the people that hate kobe that say he's the best in the game? lolol. Did you even watch last season? Did you see the MVP race? I mean come on. The only reason he received more sportcenter coverage then Shaq, was because he cheated on his wife and possibly raped somebody. Its good to be a fan of the guy. But be real. 95% of the people on this board who think he's the top player in the game, are Laker fans. And if he would have left instead of Shaq, you guys would be dickriding Shaq and saying Kobe was overrated lol. Youre such hypocrits. The man is good, obviously...but he has done NOTHING to prove himself the best player in the game. He's won some rings, while playing under Phil Jackson who damn near always wins, and along side Shaq who made Kobe's game better. He has done NOTHING on his own. I repeat...NOTHING. Duncan and Garnett both have excelled while being the only go to guy on their teams. Duncan winning 2 championships that way. Kobe, has been the sidekick But somehow, to you...that makes him the best? LOL.


Dude, just stop...You're a hater...If Duncan was in the situation Kobe was in, he wouldn't even be playing this season, let alone be returning from a court cases to put up 40 points or more...Come on man, you really haven't watched Kobe play...PeACe
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: -KuNiVaA- on August 05, 2004, 10:14:15 PM
Kobe is one of the greatest players to ever play the game????????

after this comment, this guy's comments should be completely disregarded, kobe has not been in the league long enough to even be considered amongst any of the NBA's 50 elite players.. sure he is building up to greatness but has not achieved anything yet.  First of all, during the Laker's three peat SHAQ was the only individual on the Lakers that receieved MVP honors, once from the leauge and three times in the championship.
Sure the Lakers are championship contenders because right now in the leauge, its pretty much up for grabs, with all the swaps and changes.  Most likely though, i think the DETROIT PISTONS will repeat not solely on the fact they won it last year but because of the intensity and desire they brought to the final game, they just completely blew the lakers out of the water who had the two of the top 10 players in the game as of right now plus two hall of famers..
honorable mentions would be new york, houston, miami, la laker, minnesota, san antonio
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: Smoke on August 06, 2004, 06:56:17 AM
plus two hall of famers..

3 with Phil. 8)
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: Da WCC Hopar! on August 06, 2004, 03:31:17 PM
wit all the fuckin new trades goin on aint no tellin who is ganna win

but from west i wood say lakers or timbs

form the east i wood say i dont no maybe miami
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: M Dogg™ on August 06, 2004, 04:44:42 PM
Kobe has been one of the best players out for sometime now, and the past 2 years has out scored Shaq on the Lakers team, and in 2002-2003 Kobe was I think second in scoring, with Shaq on his team. Kobe is the man, and should be respected as such. People can hate all they want, but the fact is Kobe can flat out play ball, DayGo likes compare skill levels of people (the stupit Shaq vs. Duncan argument) well not even DayGo can denie that Kobe is the most skilled player out there today. His head sometimes clashes with people, but Kobe has way more skillz than Duncan... lol.
Title: Re: Who will win the NBA title next year (for real)?
Post by: Smoke on August 06, 2004, 05:48:50 PM
Kobe has been one of the best players out for sometime now, and the past 2 years has out scored Shaq on the Lakers team, and in 2002-2003 Kobe was I think second in scoring, with Shaq on his team. Kobe is the man, and should be respected as such. People can hate all they want, but the fact is Kobe can flat out play ball, DayGo likes compare skill levels of people (the stupit Shaq vs. Duncan argument) well not even DayGo can denie that Kobe is the most skilled player out there today. His head sometimes clashes with people, but Kobe has way more skillz than Duncan... lol.

Well.. Duncan can be stopped easly. Just check Italian zone press defence. If you double him European style, for sure you can stop him. Kobe? You can triple him, but no, you cant stop him. Only player who can defend him is Prince from Pistons. In fact Pistons won the title.