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Title: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: A-Trak on August 06, 2004, 12:22:55 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1853576

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ESPN.com news services

The Lakers, in need of a big man since trading Shaquille O'Neal to Miami last month, had to give up Gary Payton to get one.


An NBA source told ESPN.com's Bill Simmons that the Celtics have dealt Chris Mihm (in a sign-and-trade), guard Marcus Banks, forward Chucky Atkins and a future second-round pick to Los Angeles for Payton, Rick Fox and a lottery-protected first-round draft pick.

Boston also receives cash in the deal, ESPN.com has confirmed through a high-ranking Celtics source.

The Celtics have scheduled a 4 p.m. ET news conference to announce the trade.

Payton, who in June exercised his $5.4 million option to play with the team next year, struggled in his only season with the Lakers' triangle offense. He started all 104 games the team played -- 82 in the regular season and 22 in the playoffs -- but averaged 14.6 points, his lowest output since the 1992-93 season, and a career-low 4.2 assists in the regular season.
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: pappy on August 06, 2004, 12:28:46 PM
so now the lakers big man is chris mihm lol.
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: Smoke on August 06, 2004, 01:08:45 PM
It's over. :'(
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: Montana00 on August 06, 2004, 01:11:26 PM
It's over. :'(
its been over for a very long time.
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: A-Trak on August 06, 2004, 01:12:56 PM
it doesn't look too good.

anyone know the potential starting 5 for the Lakers will be?
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: Sikotic™ on August 06, 2004, 01:23:28 PM
What the fuck?
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: Javier on August 06, 2004, 01:32:27 PM
I cant say i ddint see that coming, Lakers are rebuilding around kobe.  They needed another body just to put up there, so thats good.  Fox wont have the legs to keep up with the running,  and Lakers just didnt want more problems next year wtih GP
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on August 06, 2004, 01:56:42 PM
Chris Mihm will be backing Vlade up at Center...Chucky Atkins will be starting at Point...Marcus Banks will be coming off the bench to back up Chucky Atkins...Decent trade.


PG Chucky Atkins
SG Kobe Bryant
SF Lamar Odom
PF Brian Grant
C  Vlade Divac

Bench: Kareem Rush (SG), Chris Mihm (C-PF), Caron Butler (SF-PF), Marcus Banks (PG), Slava Medvadenko (PF), Sasha Vuvajic (PG), Marcus Douhtit (C), Luke Walton (SF)
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: Montana00 on August 06, 2004, 02:01:29 PM
PG Chucky Atkins
SG Kobe Bryant
SF Lamar Odom
PF Brian Grant
C  Vlade Divac
lmao thats a horrible lineup.

Kobe is awesome.
Lamar odom is decent
Chucky atkins is pure sh*t (he was horrible on the pistons)
Vlade is slow and old (wont be much help, has to rest ALOT)
Dont know much about grant.

....great team.
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: KING VerbalAssaulta on August 06, 2004, 02:04:41 PM
Chris Mihm will be backing Vlade up at Center...Chucky Atkins will be starting at Point...Marcus Banks will be coming off the bench to back up Chucky Atkins...Decent trade.


PG Chucky Atkins
SG Kobe Bryant
SF Lamar Odom
PF Brian Grant
C  Vlade Divac

Bench: Kareem Rush (SG), Chris Mihm (C-PF), Caron Butler (SF-PF), Marcus Banks (PG), Slava Medvadenko (PF), Sasha Vuvajic (PG), Marcus Douhtit (C), Luke Walton (SF)
lol i konw you're a proud laker fan...but come on...this trade is horrible...chris mihm, chucky atkins...OMG...now the lakers will be lucky to make the playoffs....my early prediction unless they do something...is they're not a playoff team in the west anymore...lets see they have no starting point gaurd(come on chucky atkins)...no bench other than butler...a big question mark at center(vlade is old and slow and cant play all the time)...grant cant play with many of the wests PF's...odom...big question mark(come on he played most of his career with loosing teams) and kobe who is great....NO WAY they can make the playoffs
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on August 06, 2004, 02:19:11 PM
LMAOOO@no playoffs...Good one.

Rick Fox can't even play anymore, and Gary Payton is getting OLD and ANNOYING...We got 3 players with major potential, plus a first round pick for these 2 old geezers...I mean, now the Lakers need to fill in the PG spot, I'm hoping this isn't their final line-up...They probably WILL make some changes before the season starts...But for now, they are a strong team...PeACe
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: eS El Duque on August 06, 2004, 02:40:10 PM
^^lol..funny how NIK changes his opinions of players when they're no longer on the team

anywayz...MArcus banks = great move by the lakers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on August 06, 2004, 02:51:39 PM
^^lol..funny how NIK changes his opinions of players when they're no longer on the team

anywayz...MArcus banks = great move by the lakers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



When did I change my opinion? Show me.
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: pappy on August 06, 2004, 03:16:57 PM
^^lol..funny how NIK changes his opinions of players when they're no longer on the team

anywayz...MArcus banks = great move by the lakers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



When did I change my opinion? Show me.

well considering the fact everytime someone mentioned the lakers werent doing shit this season you would bring up the fact how they still have a HOF PG in gary payton now you say he is old an annoying lol.
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: Da WCC Hopar! on August 06, 2004, 03:23:10 PM
What the fuck?
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on August 06, 2004, 03:45:44 PM
^^lol..funny how NIK changes his opinions of players when they're no longer on the team

anywayz...MArcus banks = great move by the lakers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



When did I change my opinion? Show me.

well considering the fact everytime someone mentioned the lakers werent doing shit this season you would bring up the fact how they still have a HOF PG in gary payton now you say he is old an annoying lol.


I rarely mentioned Gary Payton as a positive on the Lakers...I always said Kobe was the reason the Lakers could still be a great team, and always claimed Payton was just a role player...I never denied him being old and washed up, and I'm still not saying he's a bad player...But if Kobe left, best believe I'd be devastated.
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: M Dogg™ on August 06, 2004, 03:55:20 PM
I have no clue what this trade will bring. I actually like Gary Payton, I can see getting rid of Rick Fox, I thought he was retiring anyways. The thing that gets me is the draft picks. We getting a second round in exchange for a first. Shit I already expect Karl to go to San Antonio now, 'cause him and Payton are close, and we'll see how it goes. Damn, rebuilding is getting harder than it needs to be. Chris Mihns??? The man can't even score 7 points a game on the lowly Celtics (ha ha, love hating on the Celtics still) The Lakers better have something in there back pocket, like a Jason Kidd trade.
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: Smoke on August 06, 2004, 03:55:44 PM
Well it aint a bad deal at all. I mean Lakers are working to have a great team in 1-2 years (they'll probably try to sign Yao). After this trade, they'll have a very very young team (like the Clippers), with talent. Plus 2 first round draft picks and 2 second round draft picks next year. Payton, Shaq, Fisher, Malone, Ho.Grant, Fox, etc.. were/are great players, but they're all old. Lakers traded them to get youngs. They're working for the future. Next year? It's all in Kobe's hands.

Anyway the 36-year-old Payton i've seen last year wasnt a $5.4 million player. No way. And Fox is a RIP player. In return we've got a skilled PG in Brown, a decent backup in Atkins and a decent backup in Mihm. It's not good. Obviously we're going nowhere with those players, but we've now a pretty deep bench, a young team, a leader (Kobe), a veteran (Divac), a starter for the USA team (Odom) and a couple of good players. They really need just 1 step to be a great team: Yao. Let's hope we can sign him in 2 years. For now, every deal to get young players is good, imo.
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: Sikx on August 06, 2004, 03:58:57 PM
omg... :o

lakers suck atm if u ask me, with that team i dont think they make to playoffs. kobe cant carry the whole team. man.. and yea nik u change ur opinnion quick shaq now payton, but its ok. ;)
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: KING VerbalAssaulta on August 06, 2004, 03:59:12 PM
one word perdiction for the lakers next season....LOTTERY  8)
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: Smoke on August 06, 2004, 04:04:17 PM
But c'mon, it's not over yet. We have thousands of good players to make interesting trades. So.. let's wait.
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: M Dogg™ on August 06, 2004, 04:35:51 PM
I don't think it's the end of the world, but honestly, this trade was just a trade to trade. Chris Mihns? I would not get Chris Mihns in any trade what so ever. And it's the draft pick that gets me. Payton, ok his done, Fox, already retired. But that draft pick could be huge. Say next year a Nelson type player falls deep into the lottory, I'd be mad as hell if the Celtics, or anyone after them picks up that player. The other young players, basically trade bait anyways, because unless you can perform in L.A., they get rid of you quick. Players like Michael Cooper, Kurt Rambus, Derek Fisher, Rick Fox, they stay with the Lakers because when they get playing time, they play good hard basketball. A Chris Mihns is not going to stay long. His going to play a little, suck, and might be used for 6 fouls when Shaq or Yao comes to town, and then move on next year. The Lakers don't take kindly to the Chris Mihns of the NBA, and hell even future Hall of Famers like Gary Payton get it too if they don't do well in that Forum Purple and Gold. So next year, or hell even before the year starts, some players will be moved. I just had a thought, is Rush any good at point guard, 'cause my man is a great player and the bench is not a good place for his talent. As for the scrubs we picked up, Chucky you cool, the other two, you better come correct or you'll go down with the other forgettable Lakers, 'cause if we can dump a Glen Rice and Gary Payton, imagion what we can do to towel wavers, unless of course you wave a towel like Mark Madson...  :D
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: 7even on August 06, 2004, 06:02:10 PM
lol, I dont get how every Laker fan hates it.
seriously, Payton is an old dick, and Fox is an old dick who wanted to retire earlier anyway.
Im not saying that Mihm and Atkins are good players LMAO, but Payton and Fox suck ass too.
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: 7even on August 06, 2004, 06:23:33 PM
The Lakers better have something in there back pocket, like a Jason Kidd trade.

Well it aint a bad deal at all. I mean Lakers are working to have a great team in 1-2 years (they'll probably try to sign Yao). . They really need just 1 step to be a great team: Yao. Let's hope we can sign him in 2 years.

pass the blunt folks. y'all dreamin'.
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: M Dogg™ on August 06, 2004, 10:08:56 PM
lol, I dont get how every Laker fan hates it.
seriously, Payton is an old dick, and Fox is an old dick who wanted to retire earlier anyway.
Im not saying that Mihm and Atkins are good players LMAO, but Payton and Fox suck ass too.

I ain't tripping off the players, I'm tripping off the draft pick. The plays will come and go like every other player that can't produce. If they prove their worth, then it's all good. But honestly, the draft picks are what get me.
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: ecrazy on August 06, 2004, 11:00:41 PM
WOW....Now the Clippers Are Better than the Lakers

CLIPPERS BITCH :p
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: Machiavelli on August 06, 2004, 11:07:11 PM
bout Fisher
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on August 07, 2004, 12:37:48 AM
I don't think it's the end of the world, but honestly, this trade was just a trade to trade. Chris Mihns? I would not get Chris Mihns in any trade what so ever. And it's the draft pick that gets me. Payton, ok his done, Fox, already retired. But that draft pick could be huge. Say next year a Nelson type player falls deep into the lottory, I'd be mad as hell if the Celtics, or anyone after them picks up that player. The other young players, basically trade bait anyways, because unless you can perform in L.A., they get rid of you quick. Players like Michael Cooper, Kurt Rambus, Derek Fisher, Rick Fox, they stay with the Lakers because when they get playing time, they play good hard basketball. A Chris Mihns is not going to stay long. His going to play a little, suck, and might be used for 6 fouls when Shaq or Yao comes to town, and then move on next year. The Lakers don't take kindly to the Chris Mihns of the NBA, and hell even future Hall of Famers like Gary Payton get it too if they don't do well in that Forum Purple and Gold. So next year, or hell even before the year starts, some players will be moved. I just had a thought, is Rush any good at point guard, 'cause my man is a great player and the bench is not a good place for his talent. As for the scrubs we picked up, Chucky you cool, the other two, you better come correct or you'll go down with the other forgettable Lakers, 'cause if we can dump a Glen Rice and Gary Payton, imagion what we can do to towel wavers, unless of course you wave a towel like Mark Madson...  :D


Who the fuck is Chris Mihns? Do you even know him? It's Chris Mihm, and he's a nice player with hella potential...Have you ever even seen him play?
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: pappy on August 07, 2004, 12:45:53 AM
I don't think it's the end of the world, but honestly, this trade was just a trade to trade. Chris Mihns? I would not get Chris Mihns in any trade what so ever. And it's the draft pick that gets me. Payton, ok his done, Fox, already retired. But that draft pick could be huge. Say next year a Nelson type player falls deep into the lottory, I'd be mad as hell if the Celtics, or anyone after them picks up that player. The other young players, basically trade bait anyways, because unless you can perform in L.A., they get rid of you quick. Players like Michael Cooper, Kurt Rambus, Derek Fisher, Rick Fox, they stay with the Lakers because when they get playing time, they play good hard basketball. A Chris Mihns is not going to stay long. His going to play a little, suck, and might be used for 6 fouls when Shaq or Yao comes to town, and then move on next year. The Lakers don't take kindly to the Chris Mihns of the NBA, and hell even future Hall of Famers like Gary Payton get it too if they don't do well in that Forum Purple and Gold. So next year, or hell even before the year starts, some players will be moved. I just had a thought, is Rush any good at point guard, 'cause my man is a great player and the bench is not a good place for his talent. As for the scrubs we picked up, Chucky you cool, the other two, you better come correct or you'll go down with the other forgettable Lakers, 'cause if we can dump a Glen Rice and Gary Payton, imagion what we can do to towel wavers, unless of course you wave a towel like Mark Madson...  :D


Who the fuck is Chris Mihns? Do you even know him? It's Chris Mihm, and he's a nice player with hella potential...Have you ever even seen him play?
ive seen mihm play.  an there isnt full of hella potential.  what you see is what you get lol.  you say that about everybody that becomes a laker.  an once the leave they suck.
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on August 07, 2004, 12:49:05 AM
I don't think it's the end of the world, but honestly, this trade was just a trade to trade. Chris Mihns? I would not get Chris Mihns in any trade what so ever. And it's the draft pick that gets me. Payton, ok his done, Fox, already retired. But that draft pick could be huge. Say next year a Nelson type player falls deep into the lottory, I'd be mad as hell if the Celtics, or anyone after them picks up that player. The other young players, basically trade bait anyways, because unless you can perform in L.A., they get rid of you quick. Players like Michael Cooper, Kurt Rambus, Derek Fisher, Rick Fox, they stay with the Lakers because when they get playing time, they play good hard basketball. A Chris Mihns is not going to stay long. His going to play a little, suck, and might be used for 6 fouls when Shaq or Yao comes to town, and then move on next year. The Lakers don't take kindly to the Chris Mihns of the NBA, and hell even future Hall of Famers like Gary Payton get it too if they don't do well in that Forum Purple and Gold. So next year, or hell even before the year starts, some players will be moved. I just had a thought, is Rush any good at point guard, 'cause my man is a great player and the bench is not a good place for his talent. As for the scrubs we picked up, Chucky you cool, the other two, you better come correct or you'll go down with the other forgettable Lakers, 'cause if we can dump a Glen Rice and Gary Payton, imagion what we can do to towel wavers, unless of course you wave a towel like Mark Madson...  :D


Who the fuck is Chris Mihns? Do you even know him? It's Chris Mihm, and he's a nice player with hella potential...Have you ever even seen him play?
ive seen mihm play.  an there isnt full of hella potential.  what you see is what you get lol.  you say that about everybody that becomes a laker.  an once the leave they suck.


I actually always liked Chris Mihm...Now Luke Walton and Slava Medvadenko; them I don't like...So there goes your "all Lakers are good to you" theory...
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: Smoke on August 07, 2004, 02:03:02 AM
The Lakers better have something in there back pocket, like a Jason Kidd trade.

Well it aint a bad deal at all. I mean Lakers are working to have a great team in 1-2 years (they'll probably try to sign Yao). . They really need just 1 step to be a great team: Yao. Let's hope we can sign him in 2 years.

pass the blunt folks. y'all dreamin'.

Well, not really. Kidd asked for a trade, and Lakers can easly get him, if they want. But i think they aint interested cause, if they sign him now, with his 5 years big contract, they'll have salary cap problems for the next 5 years. I think they're waiting for 2006/07 to sign Yao, man. He will be a free agent in 2 years, and with Rudy T as head coach and Kobe as a partner, i think we have good chances.
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: Smoke on August 07, 2004, 02:19:10 AM
ABOUT THE DRAFT PICK..
The Celtics would not get the Lakers' first-round pick if the Lakers are in the draft lottery. If that happens, the Celtics get the Lakers' first-round pick in 2006. ;D

The actual roster of the Lakers

PLAYER HT P COMMENT
CHUCKY ATKINS 5-11 G Penciled in as the starting point guard.
MARCUS BANKS 6-2 G Intriguing player with speed but is also turnover-prone.
KOBE BRYANT 6-6 G It's his team now.
KAREEM RUSH 6-6 G Could be Bryant's top backup at shooting guard.
SASHA VUJACIC 6-7 G Rookie from Slovenia will get some time at the point.
CARON BUTLER 6-7 F Will be one of the first forwards off the bench.
BRIAN COOK 6-9 F After a quiet rookie season, it's uncertain how much playing time he'll get.
DEVEAN GEORGE 6-8 F Will probably miss the start of the season after undergoing ankle surgery last month.
BRIAN GRANT 6-9 F If Karl Malone decides to return, he'll start at power forward. If not, Grant gets the call.
SLAVA MEDVEDENKO 6-10 F Just re-signed for two more seasons, could be more of a factor in up-tempo offense.
LAMAR ODOM 6-10 F Could be the league's tallest small forward at 6 feet 10.
LUKE WALTON 6-8 F Had a notable rookie season, will need to fight for more playing time.
VLADE DIVAC 7-1 C Averaged only 9.9 points last season with the Kings, but happy to be back in L.A.
MARCUS DOUTHIT 6-11 C Unsigned second-round pick must deal with legal issues.
CHRIS MIHM 7-0 C Still a project after four years in the league, he will be Divac's backup.
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: Don Jacob on August 07, 2004, 05:12:45 AM
i don't like this trade. boo!
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: pappy on August 07, 2004, 10:19:26 AM
I don't think it's the end of the world, but honestly, this trade was just a trade to trade. Chris Mihns? I would not get Chris Mihns in any trade what so ever. And it's the draft pick that gets me. Payton, ok his done, Fox, already retired. But that draft pick could be huge. Say next year a Nelson type player falls deep into the lottory, I'd be mad as hell if the Celtics, or anyone after them picks up that player. The other young players, basically trade bait anyways, because unless you can perform in L.A., they get rid of you quick. Players like Michael Cooper, Kurt Rambus, Derek Fisher, Rick Fox, they stay with the Lakers because when they get playing time, they play good hard basketball. A Chris Mihns is not going to stay long. His going to play a little, suck, and might be used for 6 fouls when Shaq or Yao comes to town, and then move on next year. The Lakers don't take kindly to the Chris Mihns of the NBA, and hell even future Hall of Famers like Gary Payton get it too if they don't do well in that Forum Purple and Gold. So next year, or hell even before the year starts, some players will be moved. I just had a thought, is Rush any good at point guard, 'cause my man is a great player and the bench is not a good place for his talent. As for the scrubs we picked up, Chucky you cool, the other two, you better come correct or you'll go down with the other forgettable Lakers, 'cause if we can dump a Glen Rice and Gary Payton, imagion what we can do to towel wavers, unless of course you wave a towel like Mark Madson...  :D


Who the fuck is Chris Mihns? Do you even know him? It's Chris Mihm, and he's a nice player with hella potential...Have you ever even seen him play?
ive seen mihm play.  an there isnt full of hella potential.  what you see is what you get lol.  you say that about everybody that becomes a laker.  an once the leave they suck.


I actually always liked Chris Mihm...Now Luke Walton and Slava Medvadenko; them I don't like...So there goes your "all Lakers are good to you" theory...

lol all through the playoffs you were talkin about how great luke walton was goin to be.
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on August 07, 2004, 01:03:34 PM
I don't think it's the end of the world, but honestly, this trade was just a trade to trade. Chris Mihns? I would not get Chris Mihns in any trade what so ever. And it's the draft pick that gets me. Payton, ok his done, Fox, already retired. But that draft pick could be huge. Say next year a Nelson type player falls deep into the lottory, I'd be mad as hell if the Celtics, or anyone after them picks up that player. The other young players, basically trade bait anyways, because unless you can perform in L.A., they get rid of you quick. Players like Michael Cooper, Kurt Rambus, Derek Fisher, Rick Fox, they stay with the Lakers because when they get playing time, they play good hard basketball. A Chris Mihns is not going to stay long. His going to play a little, suck, and might be used for 6 fouls when Shaq or Yao comes to town, and then move on next year. The Lakers don't take kindly to the Chris Mihns of the NBA, and hell even future Hall of Famers like Gary Payton get it too if they don't do well in that Forum Purple and Gold. So next year, or hell even before the year starts, some players will be moved. I just had a thought, is Rush any good at point guard, 'cause my man is a great player and the bench is not a good place for his talent. As for the scrubs we picked up, Chucky you cool, the other two, you better come correct or you'll go down with the other forgettable Lakers, 'cause if we can dump a Glen Rice and Gary Payton, imagion what we can do to towel wavers, unless of course you wave a towel like Mark Madson...  :D


Who the fuck is Chris Mihns? Do you even know him? It's Chris Mihm, and he's a nice player with hella potential...Have you ever even seen him play?
ive seen mihm play.  an there isnt full of hella potential.  what you see is what you get lol.  you say that about everybody that becomes a laker.  an once the leave they suck.


I actually always liked Chris Mihm...Now Luke Walton and Slava Medvadenko; them I don't like...So there goes your "all Lakers are good to you" theory...

lol all through the playoffs you were talkin about how great luke walton was goin to be.


Wrong person, buddy...I might have said he has potential, but he sucks now.
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: -VZA- on August 08, 2004, 08:44:09 AM
I think all of you are looking at what these players have done in the past.  Sure GP is known for having great defensive abilities and a quick first step.  Sure Rick Fox is known for knocking down clutch shots.  But it's all about "what have you done for me lately?"  Where has Fox been the last two years?  The last couple of years he's been outplayed by both Walton and George.  Don't even let me get started with GP.  In every playoff series last year, the Laker's weak point was at the point guard position.  He made Tony Parker look like Jesus in sneakers for two games.  Then when the Lakers started switching up on defense and he went back to his normal self.  Stevie Franchise is good but not as good as GP was making him look.  To top it off... who was the Final's MVP last year?  Is it a coincidence that it's the guy GP was supposed to be guarding?  I doubt it.  Chauncey is OK but is he Final's MVP material?  I doubt that too.  Unless you have GP guarding him.  So basically, I don't think this deal is as bad as it sounds.  The Laker's needed some size and they traded their overrated/overpayed players to get that.  Not bad if you ask me.
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: The Big Bad Ass on August 09, 2004, 04:18:55 PM
I personally feel this is a bad trade for the Lakers. But not enough to bump them from playoff contention.
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: Javier on August 09, 2004, 04:24:57 PM
GP lost a step defensively, Fox is old and wont even fit in the young team that is full of 3s.


Bad trade? Come on be  serious how much would GP and Fox contribute to this new team?  They have a solid young team.  We'll see
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: 7even on August 17, 2004, 08:27:31 AM
lol.. now Fox and Payton are going to retire... LMAO  http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1860572
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: A-Trak on August 17, 2004, 09:26:35 AM
Boston got fucked over. lol.
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: 7even on August 17, 2004, 09:37:52 AM
Boston got fucked over. lol.

Big Time.
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: mikeOG on August 17, 2004, 10:29:05 AM
ok..mitch got bitch slapped by ainge sad...The trade was amended last friday if ya'll didnt know cause GP refused to show up for his physical within the 1 week deadline required by teams. Ainge wanted banks and the 2nd round pick back and mitch's retarded ass complied...

so now the deal is mihm, atkins, and jurmaine jones SF (he's worse than george if thats possible) for payton, fox, and a 1st round pick

only reason i liked this trade was because banks was included..now the lakers lose a defensive/athletic/young with plenty of upside pg (banks was the main player the lakers wanted according to mitch)....so back to square one with the team overloaded at sf I assume the lakers plan to have 5 sf's out on the floor..scary thought

mitch kupcake got played by one of the worst GM's in the league, gp will play for the celtics or they will trade him for players
sad...
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on August 17, 2004, 01:40:30 PM
Mitch Kupchak is one dumb mutherfucker...He coulda' just kept Marcus Banks, but he's retarded...


So Lakers basically just traded Marcus Banks and a 2nd Round pick for Jumain Jones...Fucking morons.
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: Smoke on August 17, 2004, 02:39:23 PM
ok..mitch got bitch slapped by ainge sad...

What? Ainge got cash + a conditional 1st round pick.
Lakers got Mihm, Atkins and Jones.

They aint great players (just decent), but Celtics got NOTHING.

Cause Payton will NOT play for them, and Fox is already discussing to retire with the team (it's 100% sure).
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: mikeOG on August 17, 2004, 03:44:24 PM
they have payton's rights for a year...so unless he retires (even if he takes the year off, celtics own his rights for a year) they can do whatever they want..maybe he will cool down and eventually play for them or they can trade his rights for picks and players..or maybe it was planned cause all he did was miss the physical and he hasnt been injured in some time..

I truley doubt payton will retire..its a bluff, mitch got played

just admit it, not that hard to see.
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: Smoke on August 17, 2004, 05:12:33 PM
Admit it? Man I didnt like the trade, i dont like the trade, i dont like version #2 of the trade. But you are saying Ainge fooled Mitch. How come? Right now Fox is a retired player, and Payton phoned Ainge telling him he'll not play for the Celtics (didnt even show up for the physical tests). Ok, Mihm, Jones and Atkins arent great players, but Ainge received just cash and a conditional first round pick for them, till now. If Payton will join them (which i doubts), then they can tie the trade (Payton for them 3 players is still an equal trade IMO. Nobody wins, nobody improves really).

P.S. If Payton retires, Boston cant trade him. And Payton wants to play in L.A. (Clippers? But they dont want him) or Oakland (Fisher just signed there, Golden State doesnt need GP). Or he'll retire. Personally, i think he will. We will see.
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: Smoke on August 17, 2004, 05:16:53 PM
P.S. A question to people who knows Atkins very well. Is Chucky so worse than last year's Payton? Cause even if Payton goes to Celtics, Lakers replaced him with Atkins (IMO they didnt improve, but they didnt even loose quality: it was a tie, considering Atkins is more motivated and he's 7-8 years younger), and added Mihm as a back-up center, and Jones (probably to be traded soon) in the roster. It's not really dramatical, man. Not wonderful, not brilliant. If they replaced Payton and Fox with a great PG it was a great move. They replaced him with a PG as good as he was last year, plus they've added Mihm, a good back-up center. 2 for 1. Team still aint improved tho.
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on August 17, 2004, 05:44:44 PM
Payton ain't as great as he once was, but he's still definitely a lot better than Atkins, and still has some juice in him...I mean, he was averaging 14 points last season with 3 other hall of famers on the team... That's not too bad, is it?...Lakers lost Payton, Fox, Marcus Banks, a 1st round pick, a 2nd round pick from Boston, & Cash for Chris Mihm, Chucky Atkins, & Jumain Jones...The way I see it, the part of the trade made Friday kinda' fucked the Lakers over...I mean, it's not TOO bad, but it went from a decent trade to a below decent trade... :-\
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: eS El Duque on August 17, 2004, 07:52:29 PM
Payton ain't as great as he once was, but he's still definitely a lot better than Atkins, and still has some juice in him...I mean, he was averaging 14 points last season with 3 other hall of famers on the team

Agreed^^^^^^^^^^^
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: mikeOG on August 17, 2004, 11:11:39 PM
yeah im just kinda mad about how it went down ..im just saying ainge got the better part of the deal, they free up money with payton and fox contract expiring so keep that in mind..it looked like a steal for the lakers with the first trade and now it's even imo..hopefully mihms can develop his game..he was a lottery pick so he some talent. heres the scouting report of the lakers aquired:

Chris Mihm
Age: 25
Height: 7'0
Weight: 265
Position: C can play some PF.
Drafted: 7th pick, 2000
Some good offensive low post moves, effective mid range and hook shots. Good athleticism and can block shots. Good dunker, has not lived up to expectations (7th pick in 2000) Considered soft.

Chucky Atkins
Age: 30
Height: 5'11
Weight: 160
Drafted: Undrafted
Possesses great quickness, and excellent on the fast break. Good shooter. Lack of height hurts him on the defensive end.

jurmaine jones will probably get traded..i really wanted banks tho..just bitter
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: Smoke on August 18, 2004, 04:06:04 AM
Payton ain't as great as he once was, but he's still definitely a lot better than Atkins, and still has some juice in him...I mean, he was averaging 14 points last season with 3 other hall of famers on the team... That's not too bad, is it?...Lakers lost Payton, Fox, Marcus Banks, a 1st round pick, a 2nd round pick from Boston, & Cash for Chris Mihm, Chucky Atkins, & Jumain Jones...The way I see it, the part of the trade made Friday kinda' fucked the Lakers over...I mean, it's not TOO bad, but it went from a decent trade to a below decent trade... :-\

Yeah i feel you. The only thing we can say for sure is that Boston aint improved, and Lakers aint improved.
Title: Re: Gary Payton & Rick Fox Traded to Celtics in 5 Player Deal
Post by: Smoke on August 18, 2004, 04:08:05 AM
i really wanted banks tho..just bitter

Me too man, but since Payton didnt show up for the physical tests, they didnt trade him no more (now Banks will start for Celtics, if Payton will retire). I mean i understand it. Still it's fucked up.