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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: infinite59 on August 21, 2004, 12:59:29 PM
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Who is honestly brainwashed enough to think America's policy in the Middle East is to promote democracy?
If you think America is about promoting democracy in the world, then tell me right now when their will be democracy in Iraq and Afganistan. And I'm not talking about the kind of democracy they are trying to create in Afganistan where only 16% of the people are even registered to vote. Wait a second... we don't even have democracy in America. Less than half of American's actually vote, and Gore had more votes anyway.
First, America would have to establish a real democracy at home before we can force people to do it anywhere else.
And I want someone to tell me right now, a date, of when Iraq and Afganistan will have democracy. Say it right now. 1 year? 5 years? 10 years? When. Put it right here.
The US policy was never about democracy, and any sensible person knows this. Al-Sadr is the most popular figure in Iraq. If it was really about democracy, a government that represents the will of the people, Al-Sadr would be the president of Iraq, or atleast the mayor of his city, instead he's the most wanted man in Iraq.
America's foriegn policy has nothing to do with democracy and everything to do with power, money, polotics, control, imperialism, globalization, oil, and Isreal.
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Don't talk shit dude, you have no idea what you're talking about. You sound like you support Al-Sadr.
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Don't talk shit dude, you have no idea what you're talking about. You sound like you support Al-Sadr.
Maybe your the one who doesn't know what your talking about. Do you even know who Al-Sadr is? Or what he stands for? Or do you just believe anything that an anchor man with a nice suit and a good haircutt says on CNN? The prophet Muhammad (salla alayhi wa salaam) said that the rescue for the ignorant is the question. Next time, before you speak without your inner apartments, go ahead and ask a question, if you don't know anything about the person you are speaking about.
Al Sadr's family stood up to Sadaam Hussien. They were subsequently tortured by Hussien. He has had family members killed and totured by Sadaam Hussien. When America overthrew Hussien and began it's current occupation of Iraq, if your one who believes everything you see on TV, you would have thought Al-Sadr would have been celebrating. That is hardly the case. He knew better than that. Al Sadr was quoted as saying, "The little serpent is out (Hussien), and the big serpent is in (America)."
That statement says it all. The little serpent is out, and the big serpent is in. Hussien severly oppressed Al-Sadr and Iraqi Shiites, but America had been preventing Iraq from getting basic resources for living, through the use of punishing sanctions, that punished Iraqi people severly for ten years. Upon invading and occupying Iraq, America has been oppressing, torturing and murdering Iraqi's at a new, unprecedented level (more than Hussien ever did). So the struggle continues for Sadr. He wants freedom for his people. He is fighting for Iraqi's to have control of their land, of their resources, and their freedom. He is fighting against oppression and occupation from a foriegn country that has killed 10's of thousands of his people and stole billions in Iraqi resources.
42:41 Noble Qu'ran: "Those who fight when oppressed incur no anger, but Allah shall surely perish the oppressor."[/i]
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Okay, so Al-Sadr is a great man because he was against Saddam. Makes sense.
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Okay, so Al-Sadr is a great man because he was against Saddam. Makes sense.
I was pointing out that Al-Sadr's whole life and family history has been submerged in struggle.
Hussien started out as a puppet of the United States government. The United States gave him weapons to wage war on Shiites Muslims in Iran and Shiites within his own country. Hussien ran a secular government and he suppressed Iraqi Shiites.
Once again, this man's whole life and family history has been a struggle. This man dresses in the same clothes that he will wear in the grave, because he knows he will be there soon. He is not doing this for money, power, or wealth. He is sacrificing his life to fight against oppression. Everyone knows he will be dead very soon.
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This is a cruel man who doesn't want anything BUT power.
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This is a cruel man who doesn't want anything BUT power.
Power? You can not honestly be this brainwashed. This man will be dead very soon. He knows it, everyone knows it. Where is the power in death? This man has not been hiding from death. When he gives his khutbah's at friday prayers in Sadr-city he is already dressed and prepared for the grave. His father gave his life and was killed by Hussien. This is how his whole family history has been. They have never enjoyed any power, and he will not either. He will be dead soon. And he is pleased with that. Because he and his family have forsaken the life of this world for the life of the hereafter. They believe that their only duty is to Allah.
I want you to come back on this thread after he is killed and tell me that he did it for power.
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This is a cruel man who doesn't want anything BUT power.
hmmm, sounds familiar....
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I see it like this:
Bush does it for the oil (money), Al-Sadr does it for the power.
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I see it like this:
Bush does it for the oil (money), Al-Sadr does it for the power.
Please explain to me how a dead man has power? Please explain to me how a man who is going to be dead very soon, is in search of power? Please explain to me how the father of Al-Sadr, in a similar instance, ever held any power in being killed? Please explain how the followers of Al-Sadr (The Mehdi army) have achieved any power or how they have desired power? Most of these people are dead, or soon to be dead. So please explain this "power" thing to me.
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Who says he's a dead man soon? ::)
If he comes out of this conflict alive, he'll be more than happy to oppress the Iraqi people.
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Who says he's a dead man soon? ::)
If he comes out of this conflict alive, he'll be more than happy to oppress the Iraqi people.
So your telling me, for the record, that you honestly think that he will survive all this and be in control of Iraq? You really think this? You really think that he'll survive all this and become the new leader of Iraq? Get real!
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You need to read a little bit less selective. I said this man wants to become that, yes.
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You need to read a little bit less selective. I said this man wants to become that, yes.
No. You didn't say that. You said, "Who said he's a dead man?". Which obviously implies that you don't think that he is going to die soon. He has stated many times that he knows he will die soon, his people all are prepared to die soon, and have been dying at a fast rate for a while now.
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You need to read a little bit less selective. I said this man wants to become that, yes.
No. You didn't say that. You said, "Who said he's a dead man?". Which obviously implies that you don't think that he is going to die soon.
Wrong.
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You need to read a little bit less selective. I said this man wants to become that, yes.
No. You didn't say that. You said, "Who said he's a dead man?". Which obviously implies that you don't think that he is going to die soon.
Wrong.
So then you do think that he's a dead man. And Sadr has publicly said that he knows he is a dead man. And he has repeatedly put himself in harms way and been inches from death and been shot at. So then now you must know he is not doing it for power! Thank you for completing my argument.
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You need to read a little bit less selective. I said this man wants to become that, yes.
No. You didn't say that. You said, "Who said he's a dead man?". Which obviously implies that you don't think that he is going to die soon.
Wrong.
So then you do think that he's a dead man. And Sadr has publicly said that he knows he is a dead man. And he has repeatedly put himself in harms way and been inches from death and been shot at. So then now you must know he is not doing it for power! Thank you for completing my argument.
Why don't you go ask some elementary schools if you can take reading classes. Maybe one of em will allow you to.
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Dont talk smack about al-sadr, he may infact become the new leader of iraq when us troops pull out. ;D
I disagree with "How can we promote democracy, if we dont even have it."
1) Just because most of our population doesnt vote, doesnt mean we dont have democracy.
2) Democracy doesnt work by "Popular Vote", our leaders are elected by the electoral college
Im not taking a side on if iraq should have a democracy or what not, but the fact remains setting up a stable government in their country is going to take years. There country still has to get through car bombs everday, before they can set up a government.
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the car bombs are party due to american occupation but also due to the american puppet goverment which the population has no faith in. the president worked with the cia, he also blew up a school bus full of children when saddam was still in power.
the thing with sadr he came to power by murdering the previous cleric so should be arrested but he has been offered into to the political fold but he knows giving up arms will lose his support so pretty irrelivant and is stuck in an movable position.
basically i see iraq as a big mess we can't leave now after we fucked everything up for them but also we can do to little help with them progress into an independent nation there is too much resentment of occupying forces and internal power stuggles. i think the UN needs to take a much more central role paid for by america but not influenced by america. once some kind of legitimate government can be installed iraq will become more stable it won't work the other way round.
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Dont talk smack about al-sadr, he may infact become the new leader of iraq when us troops pull out. ;D
I disagree with "How can we promote democracy, if we dont even have it."
1) Just because most of our population doesnt vote, doesnt mean we dont have democracy.
2) Democracy doesnt work by "Popular Vote", our leaders are elected by the electoral college
Im not taking a side on if iraq should have a democracy or what not, but the fact remains setting up a stable government in their country is going to take years. There country still has to get through car bombs everday, before they can set up a government.
Wrong. Bush also lost the electoral vote. His whole presidency is a fraud. The election was fixed. This has been proven that votes were thrown out that would have made Gore the winner.
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the car bombs are party due to american occupation but also due to the american puppet goverment which the population has no faith in. the president worked with the cia, he also blew up a school bus full of children when saddam was still in power.
the thing with sadr he came to power by murdering the previous cleric so should be arrested but he has been offered into to the political fold but he knows giving up arms will lose his support so pretty irrelivant and is stuck in an movable position.
basically i see iraq as a big mess we can't leave now after we fucked everything up for them but also we can do to little help with them progress into an independent nation there is too much resentment of occupying forces and internal power stuggles. i think the UN needs to take a much more central role paid for by america but not influenced by america. once some kind of legitimate government can be installed iraq will become more stable it won't work the other way round.
The media has got you man. They got you good. That's what America wants everybody to think. The government wanted the uprising that's going on right now, so that it would be easy for America to justify it's occupation of Iraq. The government wanted and planned for there to be unrest in Iraq, so that they could fool people into thinking that they must stay there to provide so-called "stability". Meanwhile, the Bush family, Cheney family, and all their associates are making billions off Iraq's oil.
But really, there is no Sunni, Shiite issue. That's Western media playing that up. I went to a Muslim resteraunt yesterday, they had a satellite, and they were watching Arab news, and they were showing Sunni's, Shiite's, and all the Muslim religious leaders joining together for Friday prayer and demanding that the US end it's occupation.
The US has no business being there, and the US is not providing stability in Iraq, but rather they (America) are the root cause of the unrest in Iraq. If the US leaves, then Iraq can begin to gain control of their resources and achieve peace and prosperity.
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Wrong. Bush also lost the electoral vote. His whole presidency is a fraud. The election was fixed. This has been proven that votes were thrown out that would have made Gore the winner.
Where has it been proven that votes were thrown out?
Yeah..... us americans are very very brainwashed. I think your religion is brainwashing you.
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Ha ha, Infinite shut down Mauzip, on some Iverson cross over at the top of the key, broken ankles, Mauzip lyin in pain while Infinite 360ing that shit from the free throw line
In spite of all the shit yall condemn Infinite for, Infinite > 99% of this board
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the car bombs are party due to american occupation but also due to the american puppet goverment which the population has no faith in. the president worked with the cia, he also blew up a school bus full of children when saddam was still in power.
the thing with sadr he came to power by murdering the previous cleric so should be arrested but he has been offered into to the political fold but he knows giving up arms will lose his support so pretty irrelivant and is stuck in an movable position.
basically i see iraq as a big mess we can't leave now after we fucked everything up for them but also we can do to little help with them progress into an independent nation there is too much resentment of occupying forces and internal power stuggles. i think the UN needs to take a much more central role paid for by america but not influenced by america. once some kind of legitimate government can be installed iraq will become more stable it won't work the other way round.
The media has got you man. They got you good. That's what America wants everybody to think. The government wanted the uprising that's going on right now, so that it would be easy for America to justify it's occupation of Iraq. The government wanted and planned for there to be unrest in Iraq, so that they could fool people into thinking that they must stay there to provide so-called "stability". Meanwhile, the Bush family, Cheney family, and all their associates are making billions off Iraq's oil.
But really, there is no Sunni, Shiite issue. That's Western media playing that up. I went to a Muslim resteraunt yesterday, they had a satellite, and they were watching Arab news, and they were showing Sunni's, Shiite's, and all the Muslim religious leaders joining together for Friday prayer and demanding that the US end it's occupation.
The US has no business being there, and the US is not providing stability in Iraq, but rather they (America) are the root cause of the unrest in Iraq. If the US leaves, then Iraq can begin to gain control of their resources and achieve peace and prosperity.
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PLz Shut The Fuck Up
OK so bush does it for oil
where do those gay terrorist it for
Bush dont attack his own people for fun
U should mind ur own bussnis, just like wit those porn threads
PLZ GET REALAND SHUT THE FUCK UP FOR ONCE or BLOW URSELF UP
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DUDE
PLz Shut The Fuck Up
OK so bush does it for oil
where do those gay terrorist it for
Bush dont attack his own people for fun
U should mind ur own bussnis, just like wit those porn threads
PLZ GET REALAND SHUT THE FUCK UP FOR ONCE or BLOW URSELF UP
WHO'S ATTACKIN THEIR OWN PEOPLE FOR FUN? DO U HAVE ANY CLUE ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? TERRORISTS ATTACK AMERICA FOR OIL?? WOW......DO US ALL A FAVOR AND JUMP OFF A BRIDGE.
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DUDE
PLz Shut The Fuck Up
OK so bush does it for oil
where do those gay terrorist it for
Bush dont attack his own people for fun
U should mind ur own bussnis, just like wit those porn threads
PLZ GET REALAND SHUT THE FUCK UP FOR ONCE or BLOW URSELF UP
WHO'S ATTACKIN THEIR OWN PEOPLE FOR FUN? DO U HAVE ANY CLUE ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? TERRORISTS ATTACK AMERICA FOR OIL?? WOW......DO US ALL A FAVOR AND JUMP OFF A BRIDGE.
haha
I was talkin bout saddam attackin his own people
Terrorist attack america becuz from the day they were born they being told americans are bad and u need to kill them
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Ha ha, Infinite shut down Mauzip, on some Iverson cross over at the top of the key, broken ankles, Mauzip lyin in pain while Infinite 360ing that shit from the free throw line
In spite of all the shit yall condemn Infinite for, Infinite > 99% of this board
yes. he really showed his intelligence in that sudan thread.
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Ha ha, Infinite shut down Mauzip, on some Iverson cross over at the top of the key, broken ankles, Mauzip lyin in pain while Infinite 360ing that shit from the free throw line
In spite of all the shit yall condemn Infinite for, Infinite > 99% of this board
::)
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Ha ha, Infinite shut down Mauzip, on some Iverson cross over at the top of the key, broken ankles, Mauzip lyin in pain while Infinite 360ing that shit from the free throw line
In spite of all the shit yall condemn Infinite for, Infinite > 99% of this board
yes. he really showed his intelligence in that sudan thread.
Yeah but u know what, in the Sudan case, there is what the mainstream media is reporting and that may not necessairly be true. Theres always 2 sides to something no?
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Im tired of people saying all this war shit is for the oil and shit.
Even if this war on terriosm was for oil(which its not) who gives a fuck. We need it so i really dont give a fuck if we do take the oil, no1s gunna stop us!
More oil for us = lowers gas prices, energy prices, and better enconmy which = more money for us!
And i dont know about you but i like haveing more cash in the bank.
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The USA talk about spreadig Democraty,but in the USA still we aint see no black or brown Politican who could be voted for president,I say when you gozt demcraty in the USA then come to Iraq and afghanistan!
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Im tired of people saying all this war shit is for the oil and shit.
Even if this war on terriosm was for oil(which its not) who gives a fuck. We need it so i really dont give a fuck if we do take the oil, no1s gunna stop us!
More oil for us = lowers gas prices, energy prices, and better enconmy which = more money for us!
And i dont know about you but i like haveing more cash in the bank.
If you were on the other end of the war you wouldnt be so happy.
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If you were on the other end of the war you wouldnt be so happy.
Ya i probably wouldnt! But thing is im not, so i dont give a fuck :)
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I dont know about you sickos but if Bush would offer me 50 bucks for my approval that he may kill a bunch of Arabs and if I dont take the money he would let em get back to their families, I wont take the money. I see this as natural as it can get, but sometimes I think most people dont. This is such a moment right now.
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Hey Hajj Ibrahim Islam, the world is fucked up, it's always been fucked up and it always will be fucked. No matter what we do or say, nothing is going to change that. No matter who is in power there is always going to be a large group of oppressed people. You think if the Muslims took over the world that it would be in a better position than it is now? Because if you do you are mistaken. The people at the top keep the people at the botom down, otherwise they won't be able to stay on top. That is how it's always been in any major civilization, and I think it's going to stay that way forever. Complaing is useless.
This is one of the main reasons I have faith in the Lord and believe in a paradise after we die here. Sure I've had a pretty decent life, but what about all those people that are born with nothing and die with less? It wouldn't be fair for them. So that is why I believe they go to a better place when they die. I just can't believe anything else.
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If you were on the other end of the war you wouldnt be so happy.
Ya i probably wouldnt! But thing is im not, so i dont give a fuck :)
What is this guy doing on the board? He brings absolutely nothing to the board and gets absolutely destroyed all the time. Plus now he is laughing at 10,000 plus deaths.
Fucking loser.
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What is this guy doing on the board? He brings absolutely nothing to the board and gets absolutely destroyed all the time. Plus now he is laughing at 10,000 plus deaths.
Fucking loser.
No I'm not laughing at 10,000 people. I think its horrible that they died. But war is war and Innocent people are going to die unfortunately, but thats the way it is.
Look at it this way, if Iraq or any other country was in our position, do you think they would give a shit if 10,000 Americans were dying?
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I dont know about you sickos but if Bush would offer me 50 bucks for my approval that he may kill a bunch of Arabs and if I dont take the money he would let em get back to their families, I wont take the money. I see this as natural as it can get, but sometimes I think most people dont. This is such a moment right now.
wtf is 50 bucks... gimi a thoasand and i will... just like Machaiveli said, u think they care about me, fuck no...
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Royce - T.o.d.a.y.
If I had to drop outta the limelight for a while
Would you still mind me? Hell naw!
You would not give a fuck about me
If I worked a regular job, I don't even gotta ask y'all
And Royce is right, I'd still not want to kill him if he quits rapping..