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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: infinite59 on August 25, 2004, 06:40:01 PM
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1. NOSTALGIA! America is a nostolgic country. American's love anything that reminds them of their past, when life was simpler, and everything made sense. Men in this country will be 40 years old still going to a bar with old buddies from highschool and reminiscing about the day their football team won in the last seconds, and how they are still in love with their highschool sweet heart. That's America. These probably has something to do with American's being uncertain about their future, or an unwillingness to mature past adolescence, but I don't have time to get into that right now. Anyway, Mase reminds people of the "good old days" when they were in highschool or whatever, so it's going to sell.
2. It actually sounds good. Even that hater from rapreviews had to admit that the album's production had him bobbing his head.
3. The whole Christian, pop music thing is really popular right now. Gospel artists are growing in popularity every year, and hip-hop gospel has also been getting more publicity. This probably has something to do with Christianity deviating so much from it's origional form (Jesus was just a man, a prophet, who prayed, worshipped and submitted to One God)... Christianity has deviated so much from it's origional form, and comprimised itself so much, that all the eccentric's and non-stop partying of American culture is now unmistakeably mixed with Christianity. Infact there was a news special on the local news here, talking about how Christian groups were going out to Hooters resteraunt and getting waitresses involved in spreading the word about God to their customers.
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These probably has something to do with American's being uncertain about their future, or an unwillingness to mature past adolescence.
(http://www.aardvarkcymru.co.uk/pics/trust8.jpg)
This is what I feel like everytime I click on one of your posts.
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STFU u fucking hater ur just mad cuzz hes Christan bitch but if he was Muslim u would be all up on his nuts
*realizes he just stuck up for ma$e*
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ignore infinite he's nuts
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i love the infinite englewood beef
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These probably has something to do with American's being uncertain about their future, or an unwillingness to mature past adolescence.
(http://www.aardvarkcymru.co.uk/pics/trust8.jpg)
This is what I feel like everytime I click on one of your posts.
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These probably has something to do with American's being uncertain about their future, or an unwillingness to mature past adolescence.
(http://www.aardvarkcymru.co.uk/pics/trust8.jpg)
This is what I feel like everytime I click on one of your posts.
lmao
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Remember, Infinite's hero is fuckin' CAT STEVENS. LOL Think about that for a minute. CAT FUCKING STEVENS. The Hypocricy in his threads is at an unbelievable level. He goes around worshipping Tupac Shakur, saying he was a prophet and he was going to make a religion? Or something revolving around him, and now he has the balls to talk shit about Mase being a Christian. Brian, I feel sorry for your wife. She's stuck with your ass.
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Remember, Infinite's hero is fuckin' CAT STEVENS. LOL Think about that for a minute. CAT FUCKING STEVENS. The Hypocricy in his threads is at an unbelievable level. He goes around worshipping Tupac Shakur, saying he was a prophet and he was going to make a religion? Or something revolving around him, and now he has the balls to talk shit about Mase being a Christian. Brian, I feel sorry for your wife. She's stuck with your ass.
Whats wrong with Cat Stevens? The pre Yusef Islam stage was fucking GREAT.
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Remember, Infinite's hero is fuckin' CAT STEVENS. LOL Think about that for a minute. CAT FUCKING STEVENS. The Hypocricy in his threads is at an unbelievable level. He goes around worshipping Tupac Shakur, saying he was a prophet and he was going to make a religion? Or something revolving around him, and now he has the balls to talk shit about Mase being a Christian. Brian, I feel sorry for your wife. She's stuck with your ass.
What's wrong with Cat Stevens?
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What's so bad about reminiscing?...Isn't that what taking pictures and making home videos is about as well? Is taking pictures evil?
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i still dont get the hype surrounding the Mase album... 8) :-\
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Remember, Infinite's hero is fuckin' CAT STEVENS. LOL Think about that for a minute. CAT FUCKING STEVENS. The Hypocricy in his threads is at an unbelievable level. He goes around worshipping Tupac Shakur, saying he was a prophet and he was going to make a religion? Or something revolving around him, and now he has the balls to talk shit about Mase being a Christian. Brian, I feel sorry for your wife. She's stuck with your ass.
What's wrong with Cat Stevens?
nothing.. but infniite wouldnt give 2 shits about him if he weren't a muslim.
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First of all, if you read my posts, I haven't said anything bad about Mase. All that I have said is that the lifestyle of most Christians is no different than the lifestyle and attitudes of non-believers. That Christianity has been comprimised and dilluted in this country. His video to me still looked like it was celebrating materialism (cars, clothes) and sex (beautiful women dancing and singing, half dressed).
Secondly, I know Cat Stevens (Yusuf Islam) personally. He was in my city about a year ago for an Islamic Society of North America confrence. He's not my favorite musical artist or anything, but because I respect him so much, and because he is my brother in faith, I like listening to his music sometimes.
I don't know what this has to do with Mase, because since becoming a Muslim, Yusuf Islam has stopped making secular music, and the only music he makes is praising Allah and teaching about the prophets, he doesn't even use wind or string instruments in his song since there is a reported Hadith where the Prophet spoke about his dislike for music that complements our base desires. You should see a picture of him now, and read about his life and travels since becoming a Muslim.
Last of all, I don't have any beef with Englewood or anybody on this forum. I would rather we all understood and enjoyed eachother.
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i still dont get the hype surrounding the Mase album... 8) :-\
Then you probably didn't listen to him back in 97, or you were already in your 20s by that time
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not a diss dog, we just heard the frontin, do harlem a favor, get a church or somethin. a rec center in the winter where the youth could play, they dont even shoot the j, sell drugs, shoot, and spray.8)
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Last of all, I don't have any beef with Englewood or anybody on this forum. I would rather we all understood and enjoyed eachother.
I understand you perfectly. I think you are blind to reason, facts, and common sense.
No beef? Remember sending this private message to me?
And if you want to talk about being brainwashed.... The American government has done it's job with you. They've trained you well. You'll believe anything. Simple-minded, brief, narrow, ignorant ass muthafucka!!!!!
Keep lying to yourself.
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First of all, if you read my posts, I haven't said anything bad about Mase. All that I have said is that the lifestyle of most Christians is no different than the lifestyle and attitudes of non-believers. That Christianity has been comprimised and dilluted in this country. His video to me still looked like it was celebrating materialism (cars, clothes) and sex (beautiful women dancing and singing, half dressed).
Secondly, I know Cat Stevens (Yusuf Islam) personally. He was in my city about a year ago for an Islamic Society of North America confrence. He's not my favorite musical artist or anything, but because I respect him so much, and because he is my brother in faith, I like listening to his music sometimes.
I don't know what this has to do with Mase, because since becoming a Muslim, Yusuf Islam has stopped making secular music, and the only music he makes is praising Allah and teaching about the prophets, he doesn't even use wind or string instruments in his song since there is a reported Hadith where the Prophet spoke about his dislike for music that complements our base desires. You should see a picture of him now, and read about his life and travels since becoming a Muslim.
Last of all, I don't have any beef with Englewood or anybody on this forum. I would rather we all understood and enjoyed eachother.
Your so annoying. Have you had one post that didnt have anything to do with Islam ? and how is Mase promoting materialism and sex? beautfil women dancing and singing? so thats evil i guess to you..and ok he has good car and clothes he doesnt brag about it and stuff
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These probably has something to do with American's being uncertain about their future, or an unwillingness to mature past adolescence.
(http://www.aardvarkcymru.co.uk/pics/trust8.jpg)
This is what I feel like everytime I click on one of your posts.
good one, you beat me to it 8)
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Im not gonna say anything because i hate mase.
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and ok he has good car and clothes he doesnt brag about it and stuff
he does, thats what pisses me off, he could have came back, and rapped, and actually said something meaningfull, but hes still rapping about all his money, cars, etc...
example
Some days I make thousands
Some days I make millions
Spend my day chillin
Coupe's with suede ceilings
Everybody out there wanna know what Mase got
Way hot gray drop Maybach gray yacht
yea hes really preaching... ::)
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Remember, Infinite's hero is fuckin' CAT STEVENS. LOL Think about that for a minute. CAT FUCKING STEVENS. The Hypocricy in his threads is at an unbelievable level. He goes around worshipping Tupac Shakur, saying he was a prophet and he was going to make a religion? Or something revolving around him, and now he has the balls to talk shit about Mase being a Christian. Brian, I feel sorry for your wife. She's stuck with your ass.
What's wrong with Cat Stevens?
nothing.. but infniite wouldnt give 2 shits about him if he weren't a muslim.
Exactly. Exactly the point. It'd be like us going around acting like the greatest rapper of all time was E-White, because he became some big christian... so all of a sudden, I move him up to the top of my list and go around posting pictures of him and talking about how great he was, like I've been a fan forever and he's so much more talented than everyone else, when in reality, he only released a few songs, and his impact and status was minimal.
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i went to the store today and saw SHITLOADS of MASE'S album NOT SOLD. there were 2 cds gone and at least 30 still sittin there gathering dust. no one bought his DOUBLE UP album, so why should everyone buy WELCOME BACK? your 3 reasons didn't even amount to 3 albums being sold in best buy on 23rd street in NYC.
infinite, we just can't stand you. nobody comes on forums to be preached to, unless they're in a relgious forum. if you're so fuckin enlightened and high and mighty, what the hell are you doing around us? oh yeah - you're supposed to spread the word, right? fuck that shit. no one listens and no one gives a fuck about it. let people make their own decisions and stop pushin stupid shit down peoples throats.
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Hajj, go join a fucking muslim board or go door to door or some shit, you are now becoming a fucking asshole, and its really sad. Religion can be a great benefit to peoples lives, but some people are just too fucking weak and lost and let it control their whole lives. I swear to god (or allah!) that i feel sorry for you, but you are a fucking joke and a disgrace and this is just ridiculous. Since every post you make has to do with religion, keep it out of the music forums. And i am NOT trying to be disrespectful as i fully respect peoples right to worship and religion they want to, whether it be christianity or jehovas witness or islam or whatever..........what i hate are assholes who feel their view and religion is the RIGHT religion, and try to push it on others. FUCK OFF !
p.s.- I like that Cat Stevens song Wild World, my dad always played it when i was younger. Dope ass song.
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^^Damn dudes, he's just speaking his mind.
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^^Damn dudes, he's just speaking his mind.
And we're just speaking ours.
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First of all, if you read my posts, I haven't said anything bad about Mase. All that I have said is that the lifestyle of most Christians is no different than the lifestyle and attitudes of non-believers. That Christianity has been comprimised and dilluted in this country. His video to me still looked like it was celebrating materialism (cars, clothes) and sex (beautiful women dancing and singing, half dressed).
You cant really argue with that.
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First of all, if you read my posts, I haven't said anything bad about Mase. All that I have said is that the lifestyle of most Christians is no different than the lifestyle and attitudes of non-believers. That Christianity has been comprimised and dilluted in this country. His video to me still looked like it was celebrating materialism (cars, clothes) and sex (beautiful women dancing and singing, half dressed).
You cant really argue with that.
you can easily argue with it by referencing the muslim culture and how the main culprits of terrorism in western culture are muslim.
i think the thing that makes people want to argue with this guy Hajj is that his posts rarely have anything to do with music. he uses music as his stepping stone to talk about what he really wants to talk about and that's his fucking religion. and that pisses us off b/c we don't want to hear it. we come in to bullshit about music and he always, (not sometime -, but ALWAYS) has to come in preaching about his 'faith.'
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First of all, if you read my posts, I haven't said anything bad about Mase. All that I have said is that the lifestyle of most Christians is no different than the lifestyle and attitudes of non-believers. That Christianity has been comprimised and dilluted in this country. His video to me still looked like it was celebrating materialism (cars, clothes) and sex (beautiful women dancing and singing, half dressed).
You cant really argue with that.
you can easily argue with it by referencing the muslim culture and how the main culprits of terrorism in western culture are muslim.
i think the thing that makes people want to argue with this guy Hajj is that his posts rarely have anything to do with music. he uses music as his stepping stone to talk about what he really wants to talk about and that's his fucking religion. and that pisses us off b/c we don't want to hear it. we come in to bullshit about music and he always, (not sometime -, but ALWAYS) has to come in preaching about his 'faith.'
No, you can;t argue with that because what he said about a vast majority of Christianity in America is true. Hypocritical because the same thing happens in Islam, yes, but a false statement, no.
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^^^ well it depends on how you look at it. if you ask a christian, he's going to say that it's not true at all. and if you ask a non-christian, he'll tell you it's true. opinions are subjective to who you are and what you believe. so what he said about christianity has a lot to do with his 'faith' in islam. if you asked mase or creflo dollar or billy grahm, i bet they'd say the exact opposite as what hajj said.
and, being an ex-christian, i can tell you that a big part of christian culture is about being a part of the world, but not fully. christianity is trying to reach the masses by preaching and being a part of american and 'non-believer' culture. look at POD. these guys go against what everything in fundamentalist christianity says. but they're christians and probably reach more people than, say, dc talk ever did.
my point being, christianity in this country is ABOUT fitting in to the 'non-believer' culture, as they see it reaches 'non-christians' and christians alike. christianity is a faith that must be shown to the world and the only way they see it will be shown is if they do it in a 'non-christian' way so that 'non-christians' will pay attention to it. the strategy of christianity is to reach the common man and the way to reach the common man is to do it in a common way. and that's in a 'non-believers' world.
so yeah, essentially, what hajj said about the "lifestyle" of christians being no different than the lifestyle of non-believers is true - if you look at it on a surface point of view; my point is, when you look a little deeper than the surface, and see how these christians live and what they do behind closed doors is their own hidden agenda and their own strategy of reaching 'non-believers.' and they're different people at home and in groups (i know because i was a christian).
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Agreed. It is all about how you look at it.
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i still dont get the hype surrounding the Mase album... 8) :-\
Then you probably didn't listen to him back in 97, or you were already in your 20s by that time
im 20 years old, and own plenty of cd's with mase on them, Life After Death and Its Dark And Hell Is Hot (probably my fav mase verse) for example...
and i respect the fact he went off to do the church thing, but everyone hailing his return as something great is amusing to me, when he was being dissed left right and center the first time around...
to each his own, but there are many artists i would rather listen to... 8)
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^^^ well it depends on how you look at it. if you ask a christian, he's going to say that it's not true at all. and if you ask a non-christian, he'll tell you it's true. opinions are subjective to who you are and what you believe. so what he said about christianity has a lot to do with his 'faith' in islam. if you asked mase or creflo dollar or billy grahm, i bet they'd say the exact opposite as what hajj said.
and, being an ex-christian, i can tell you that a big part of christian culture is about being a part of the world, but not fully. christianity is trying to reach the masses by preaching and being a part of american and 'non-believer' culture. look at POD. these guys go against what everything in fundamentalist christianity says. but they're christians and probably reach more people than, say, dc talk ever did.
my point being, christianity in this country is ABOUT fitting in to the 'non-believer' culture, as they see it reaches 'non-christians' and christians alike. christianity is a faith that must be shown to the world and the only way they see it will be shown is if they do it in a 'non-christian' way so that 'non-christians' will pay attention to it. the strategy of christianity is to reach the common man and the way to reach the common man is to do it in a common way. and that's in a 'non-believers' world.
so yeah, essentially, what hajj said about the "lifestyle" of christians being no different than the lifestyle of non-believers is true - if you look at it on a surface point of view; my point is, when you look a little deeper than the surface, and see how these christians live and what they do behind closed doors is their own hidden agenda and their own strategy of reaching 'non-believers.' and they're different people at home and in groups (i know because i was a christian).
The problem with that is, your neglecting the fact that there is a book, the book is called THE BIBLE. This is the Holy Book of the Christians. So why don't we go into that book and look for a more exact definition on how a Christian is taught to live his life. And the teaching you will find in the Bible, is that a Christian should neglect the vain activities of this worldly life (money, women, cars, riches) for the life of the hereafter.
So therefore, I am not writing about Christianity from the perspective of my "faith in Islam", I was raised Christian, and I had all these thoughts which in part lead me to be an atheist (then a few years later I found Islam).
I am writing about modern Christianity using the Bible as my criteria and standard for Christians. I would also prefer that when the issue concerns a Muslim, that the criteria of the Noble Qu'ran would be used.
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yeah the album is pretty good...
last night at vma's when diddy and mase were on the stage mase kept shoutin "welcome back" all the fuckin time, it sounded über gay if u ask me. diddy said like "vote or die blaa blaa" and mase shouted "welcome baaaaaaaack" omfg, we get it, and this happened like 5 times ::) yeah i bet every1 now knows ur 1st singles name ???
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^^^ well it depends on how you look at it. if you ask a christian, he's going to say that it's not true at all. and if you ask a non-christian, he'll tell you it's true. opinions are subjective to who you are and what you believe. so what he said about christianity has a lot to do with his 'faith' in islam. if you asked mase or creflo dollar or billy grahm, i bet they'd say the exact opposite as what hajj said.
and, being an ex-christian, i can tell you that a big part of christian culture is about being a part of the world, but not fully. christianity is trying to reach the masses by preaching and being a part of american and 'non-believer' culture. look at POD. these guys go against what everything in fundamentalist christianity says. but they're christians and probably reach more people than, say, dc talk ever did.
my point being, christianity in this country is ABOUT fitting in to the 'non-believer' culture, as they see it reaches 'non-christians' and christians alike. christianity is a faith that must be shown to the world and the only way they see it will be shown is if they do it in a 'non-christian' way so that 'non-christians' will pay attention to it. the strategy of christianity is to reach the common man and the way to reach the common man is to do it in a common way. and that's in a 'non-believers' world.
so yeah, essentially, what hajj said about the "lifestyle" of christians being no different than the lifestyle of non-believers is true - if you look at it on a surface point of view; my point is, when you look a little deeper than the surface, and see how these christians live and what they do behind closed doors is their own hidden agenda and their own strategy of reaching 'non-believers.' and they're different people at home and in groups (i know because i was a christian).
The problem with that is, your neglecting the fact that there is a book, the book is called THE BIBLE. This is the Holy Book of the Christians. So why don't we go into that book and look for a more exact definition on how a Christian is taught to live his life. And the teaching you will find in the Bible, is that a Christian should neglect the vain activities of this worldly life (money, women, cars, riches) for the life of the hereafter.
So therefore, I am not writing about Christianity from the perspective of my "faith in Islam", I was raised Christian, and I had all these thoughts which in part lead me to be an atheist (then a few years later I found Islam).
I am writing about modern Christianity using the Bible as my criteria and standard for Christians. I would also prefer that when the issue concerns a Muslim, that the criteria of the Noble Qu'ran would be used.
OK buddy, now we're about to get into it:
you and i both know that things can be taken out of context to make any religious book say whatever the hell you want it to say. for example, you can say that the bible says to kill fags (deut.) or you can say that the bible says to love them (math. mark. luke. john). you can make the bible say that you don't believe in god if you shave your fucking sideburns.
from your perspective, it sounds like you're talking about orthodox christianity. from my perspective, i'd say that he's nowhere near orthodox christianity. i'd say he's taking more of a fundamentalist/evangelist stance to christianity. he's spreading the word the way he apparently believes it should go; which, coincidentally, falls directly in line with fundamentalism....
and, you and i both know, that jesus was down in the trenches with the sinners. he was partying with the lowest of the low (remember the book of john and how jesus turned water to wine for a bunch of drunks?). he told of how those in the church had the wrong attitude and most of the people that jesus condemned were in the church.
that's what i would say mase is doing, chillin with the sinners. chillin with the people that he perceives as needing god most. which, i think christians believe, is what jesus would be doing if he were here today. and regardless if there's a few titties here and there, he's reaching the audience he is targeting. it's his strategy. it's the strategy of christianity.
if mase were to, say, act holier than thou, and have a video where he's sitting in church all day, you think it would reach the masses? hell no, it'd drop of the charts before it even got there.
and how can you say that you know how mase is living? you have no fucking idea what he does behind closed doors. i have no fucking idea. NOBODY BUT HIMSELF AND GOD KNOW HOW HE LIVES HIS LIFE. so how can we say? i am merely pointing out that his video of 'money clothes and hoes' is his way of reaching to the masses and showing him that he's still a human that deals with worldly things. he's giving the 'non-believers' something to look towards to let them know that not everyone that is a christian needs to sit in church and pray all day.
i think our main issue here is that you're saying there is only one type of christianity, and i'm saying that there's many. you're saying that mase isn't acting very orthodox, and i'm agreeing. you're saying that it's a bad thing, i'm saying it's a good thing. you're saying he's not a good christian, i'm saying he's a damn good christian because he's got a strategy. i think he knows a bit more about what he's doing than we do though.....