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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: pappy on September 29, 2004, 11:47:46 PM
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NEW YORK -- Separating Kobe Bryant and Shaquille O'Neal on different teams on different coasts has done nothing to lessen the animosity between the one-time Los Angeles Lakers teammates. If anything, the feud is escalating.
On Wednesday, O'Neal dismissed as "ridiculous" Bryant's allegations that O'Neal had paid up to $1 million in hush money to various women and then took his own shot by saying, "I'm not the one buying love."
O'Neal made the remark to ESPN's Stephen A. Smith after the Los Angeles Times quoted a police report as saying Bryant told detectives in Eagle, Colo., "he should have done what Shaq does ... that Shaq would pay his women not to say anything" and already had paid up to $1 million "for situations like this."
The comment was written down by Det. Doug Winters but not recorded on tape.
"He stated he, Bryant, treats a woman with respect, therefore they shouldn't say anything," Winters wrote.
O'Neal's agent, Perry Rogers, told the paper on Tuesday that the allegation, which was fought successfully to have inadmissible at trial, was untrue and "undeserving of a response."
"This whole situation is ridiculous," O'Neal told ESPN. "I never hang out with Kobe, I never hung around him. In the seven or eight years we were together, we were never together. So how this guy can think he knows anything about me or my business is funny. And one last thing -- I'm not the one buying love. He's the one buying love."
Bryant's statement came near the end of a lengthy interrogation about a hotel employee's complaint that Bryant had raped her.
The incident report, a portion of which was reviewed by the Los Angeles Times, is part of the sealed file in the criminal case that was brought against Bryant last year and dropped earlier this month. A Colorado judge Wednesday cleared the way for the release of those sealed documents.
The Times said it was unclear precisely what Bryant meant by his remarks.
Prosecutors dropped the felony sexual assault charge against Bryant earlier this month at the accuser's request, but the woman has filed a federal civil suit against him in Denver, seeking unspecified damages for pain and suffering since the case began.
O'Neal was informed of Bryant's allegation last September, and the relationship between the two was cool throughout the 2003-04 season. O'Neal was subsequently traded to the Miami Heat.
There have been no published reports of O'Neal ever being accused of any sex crimes. He was charged with misdemeanor battery in Orange County, Fla., in 1998 after a 23-year-old Walt Disney World employee claimed he grabbed her neck, but the case was dismissed in 2000.
It is unclear precisely what Bryant meant by the remarks attributed to him. There have been no published reports of O'Neal ever being accused of any sex crime.
thats a straight up bitch move no 2 ways around it. an kobe an people around kobe wonder why he isnt embraced in the streets like some other b-ballers. And NIK this isnt meant to be a diss so dont take it that way, but do you still consider shaq an kobe brothers?
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Well we dont know shit, so we cant really judge.
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is that a vid of shaq crossin kobe over.. lol... damn
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kobe is the man
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Well we dont know shit, so we cant really judge.
what do you mean, he's snitching.
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kobe is a fool...did u see the transcripts from the police interview? shit was funny... 8)
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Well we dont know shit, so we cant really judge.
well we kno kobe is a bitch now... oh wait i knew that when chris childs punked him lolol.
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Man the problem is that me being a lawyer, i see things totally different. For you, when someone talks to the Police, he's snitching. For me, when someone talks with the Police, he's a good citizen. But that's not the point, i understand the "street" mentality, i deal with it everyday. Let's talk about Kobe. Well, i have to quote Shaq's agent on this: "It wasn't difficult to figure out that in this situation Kobe was a desperate man in a desperate situation and made desperate statements". That says everything, imo. Then if you are taking Shaq's side, or if you dont like Kobe at all, you can turn it to a diss, saying Kobe's a bitch. If you neutral, you just dont give a fuck about personal things (by the way he made those comments when he wasnt talking to Police no more, and we dont even know what he meant with it, like the article said). If you are taking Kobe's side, you can have 300 reasons to diss Shaq back. I aint taking sides. At the end of the day there have been no published reports of O'Neal ever being accused of any sex crime, so all this thing is just gossip. Kobe made mistakes. This is probably one of them.
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Man the problem is that me being a lawyer, i see things totally different. For you, when someone talks to the Police, he's snitching. For me, when someone talks with the Police, he's a good citizen. But that's not the point, i understand the "street" mentality, i deal with it everyday. Let's talk about Kobe. Well, i have to quote Shaq's agent on this: "It wasn't difficult to figure out that in this situation Kobe was a desperate man in a desperate situation and made desperate statements". That says everything, imo. Then if you are taking Shaq's side, or if you dont like Kobe at all, you can turn it to a diss, saying Kobe's a bitch. If you neutral, you just dont give a fuck about personal things (by the way he made those comments when he wasnt talking to Police no more, and we dont even know what he meant with it, like the article said). If you are taking Kobe's side, you can have 300 reasons to diss Shaq back. I aint taking sides. At the end of the day there have been no published reports of O'Neal ever being accused of any sex crime, so all this thing is just gossip. Kobe made mistakes. This is probably one of them.
this has nothing to do with be a good citizen. This is bringin another man into a fucked up situation you caused for yourself trying to save you ass. Thats not being a good citizen, thats not trying lock up your neighborhood drug dealer or local crime boss. THATS BEING A BITCH by tryin to save your image while tarnishing another mans image. How is what kobe said being a good citizen. It wont put shaq away for committing a crime. thats being a bitch tryin to make another man look bad.
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And NIK this isnt meant to be a diss so dont take it that way, but do you still consider shaq an kobe brothers?
No...More like a divorced couple...LOL.
Anyways, I don't see how that's a bitch move? Shaq dissed him first on wax, and Kobe dissed him back...I'm sure it got to Shaq, and that was most likely the intent...Shaq was always the bitter one when Kobe started taking up all the spotlight in LA...Shaq was angry with the whole Laker organization when Kobe was rightfully being paid more attention...Demanding a trade from a team that gave you so much is much more of a bitch move than what Kobe said to detectives...PeACe
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That was a bitch move.
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this is kinda off topic but i saw kobe here in LA last night, i was driving and i was at a red light here at pico and westwood and i saw him, and i went to go park my car and run after him but he dissapeared
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this is kinda off topic but i saw kobe here in LA last night, i was driving and i was at a red light here at pico and westwood and i saw him, and i went to go park my car and run after him but he dissapeared
LOL@Your all excited to see stars here in LA...Ain't like Tahoe, is it?
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Man the problem is that me being a lawyer, i see things totally different. For you, when someone talks to the Police, he's snitching. For me, when someone talks with the Police, he's a good citizen. But that's not the point, i understand the "street" mentality, i deal with it everyday. Let's talk about Kobe. Well, i have to quote Shaq's agent on this: "It wasn't difficult to figure out that in this situation Kobe was a desperate man in a desperate situation and made desperate statements". That says everything, imo. Then if you are taking Shaq's side, or if you dont like Kobe at all, you can turn it to a diss, saying Kobe's a bitch. If you neutral, you just dont give a fuck about personal things (by the way he made those comments when he wasnt talking to Police no more, and we dont even know what he meant with it, like the article said). If you are taking Kobe's side, you can have 300 reasons to diss Shaq back. I aint taking sides. At the end of the day there have been no published reports of O'Neal ever being accused of any sex crime, so all this thing is just gossip. Kobe made mistakes. This is probably one of them.
this has nothing to do with be a good citizen. This is bringin another man into a fucked up situation you caused for yourself trying to save you ass. Thats not being a good citizen, thats not trying lock up your neighborhood drug dealer or local crime boss. THATS BEING A BITCH by tryin to save your image while tarnishing another mans image. How is what kobe said being a good citizen. It wont put shaq away for committing a crime. thats being a bitch tryin to make another man look bad.
Man, i was talking in general, not in particular. In general, i dont like the "he snitched" thing at all. It's like that: when you say something, if you dont have proofs to prove it, yes, you are a bitch, or a lier. When i said "we dont know shit", i meant we dont know 1) What Kobe meant (like the article said), 2) If Shaq really did it. Kobe didnt say this shit under interrogation, but AFTER. He didnt say this shit to blame Shaq (there's no file opens against Shaq), and he didnt want Police to investigate on Shaq. It's a single statament done after a terrible (for him) 2 hours interrogation, with a stressed man, in a desperate situation. He lied too, in that interrogation, cause he was under pressure and with no lawyers, and guess what? Everybody does (but when the papers said it related to a famous man, it looks like he's the only one who does it: where's the news?). I dont judge a man because of those situations (i've seen tons of men in that situation). At the end of the day he's the innocent guy, and the lady is the real bitch who lied. This thing is a thing revealed by a police officer who remembered it but didnt tape it, who doesnt remember what Kobe meant and who is totally unnecessary to reveal, cause it's a personal thing and not a police-thing. Yes, Kobe has done a lot of mistakes. And is not a perfect guy (but nobody is). And yes, with that statement, even if it was a joke (cause it was, and he wasnt under interrogation), he tried to ruin Shaq's image. Very wrong move. But he didnt snitch, and to snitch is not a bad thing at all (if it's for a good purpose). That's it. Bitch move, i accept it. But said after a 2 hours investigations when he was blamed for something he didnt do.
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i still like kobe, and i love shaq. it's no suprise that kobe said shit about shaq they don't like each other plain and simple, two different people. Kobe may have an ass hole personality but he's still arguably the best basketball player in the world right now.
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do we trust those colorado fucks??? how come they recorded everything but this "snitching" part?? just sometihng to think about....never recorded it but the detective wrote it down on a paper..lol...right.........
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I never hang out with Kobe, I never hung around him. In the seven or eight years we were together, we were never together.
WTF. Any1 know why they never liked eachother? Thas a shame man, imagine the team if they were truely a team. As for the petty statements, thas juss low.
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do we trust those colorado fucks??? how come they recorded everything but this "snitching" part?? just sometihng to think about....never recorded it but the detective wrote it down on a paper..lol...right.........
The only reason i can find is that Kobe
1) Didnt say it seriously
2) Didnt say it
3) Say it as a joke and when the Police asked him to confirm it, he said: "Hey, i dont know Shaq, i was bullshiting"
Cause that thing was SO important to not open a lawsuit against Shaq. And since they didnt, choose 1 answer from the list.
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What Kobe said, there are many women that have the same story. Hell, like 4 months ago, they had women around here in the I.E. call in and all of them had the exact same Shaq story, with Shaq giving cars, money, all kinds of things to these women.
With all that said, straight up, Kobe is a SNITCH!!!! I don't give a fuck, Kobe is a snitch. But when I was at college, the kids there were like, I don't give a fuck, when I'm confronted with the cops I am talking. Straight up, because they don't live by street rules. Kobe grew up in Italy, his went to a great priviate school in Philly, his not from no streets, so I can forgive him. His being a product of his environment. Now, if Kobe decided that his going to be a thug, and try to sell to the innercity, then I'd have a problem, because his fake if that's the case. But I've always seen Kobe on TV with kids for McDonald's, talking about high tek basketballs, playing pick up games speaking Italian, so I don't expect Kobe to be streets. Shaq, his more streets, he understands it, he knows the code, that's why I love Shaq. Before I fully came to grips with the Lakers needing to get rid of Shaq, I thought the best thing for us to do was keep Shaq, and sign and trade Kobe to Orlando for Tracy McGrady, and have McGrady and Shaq as our one, two, and keep Gray and Karl one more year. I understand now why we did what we ended up doing, and that's fine. Kobe is part of the Hollywood image of the Lakers, not the street side of LA that seemed to enbrace Shaq more. I can't hate Kobe, the Lakers are now a Hollywood running team, which is good, I like the running, Kobe is more enjoyable to watch, Shaq gets boring with his same turn and dunk thing, but damnit, I loved Shaq, I still got his jersey, and I still wear it. But I can't hold Kobe up to the same standards of those that are streets. Now if Kobe tried to become AI, then we will have a huge problem. Rule number one of the streets, no snitching.
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What Kobe said, there are many women that have the same story. Hell, like 4 months ago, they had women around here in the I.E. call in and all of them had the exact same Shaq story, with Shaq giving cars, money, all kinds of things to these women.
Kobe grew up in Italy, his went to a great priviate school in Philly, his not from no streets, so I can forgive him. His being a product of his environment. Now, if Kobe decided that his going to be a thug, and try to sell to the innercity, then I'd have a problem
remember the song by kobe bryant, thug poet. He tried to be street an it didnt work.
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What Kobe said, there are many women that have the same story. Hell, like 4 months ago, they had women around here in the I.E. call in and all of them had the exact same Shaq story, with Shaq giving cars, money, all kinds of things to these women.
Kobe grew up in Italy, his went to a great priviate school in Philly, his not from no streets, so I can forgive him. His being a product of his environment. Now, if Kobe decided that his going to be a thug, and try to sell to the innercity, then I'd have a problem
remember the song by kobe bryant, thug poet. He tried to be street an it didnt work.
Kobe isn't streets, and the streets know that. At least he isn't trying hard to be streets. He wanted to have a rap album, but wisely, the lable never put it out. Then Kobe has given up on on trying to be streets. What's funny, on 100.3 The Beat in L.A., they had Steve Harvey just clowning on Kobe, and people calling in, calling him a snitch, and how Shaq is gonna beat his ass on Christmas. At the end of the day, yeah, we Laker fans and we want the Lakers to win, but if Shaq beats Kobe's ass, then I'm gonna laugh my ass off. People do life because they wouldn't snitch, and Kobe is out there singing like a bird about something that has nothing to do with him. That's a bitch on the streets. But Kobe ain't streets, thank God. His part of the Lakers that are Hollywood. I'll be honest, I might have turn Clippers fan had Shaq gone to the Clippers, especially after this... lol. OK, I ain't that extreme. But Kobe, man, he can't be fucking up no more, I've been a Laker fan since Magic Johnson was winning titles with Kareem, I can't possibly imagion changing teams. But I can't see myself rooting for a snitch. (Watch, come opening game, Kobe scores 40 points, LA wins, and all is not just forgiven, but forgotten.) ;D
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well if true, shaq did snitch on himself a couple of years ago on the radio claiming he slept with cindy crawford and one of the williams sisters ;D..i guess kobe thought shaq was a playa and he wouldnt mind. jordan had to pay hush money to some hoe he had an affair with back in the 90's..he actually took her to court for trying to black mail him into paying her 4 million more than they agreed upon at the time..she counter sued saying jordan promised her 5 million and the rest is history..anyways shaq has 3-4 baby mamas..spreading his seeds so this is nothing new..SHAQ likes DRAMA so he's gonna go on with this kobe bashing for ratings etc... 8)
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sixers goin all the way this year :D
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What a bitch move. Hope Shaq learned from his mistake with Brad Miller and actually connects when he goes at Kobe this Christmas.
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Man the problem is that me being a lawyer, i see things totally different. For you, when someone talks to the Police, he's snitching. For me, when someone talks with the Police, he's a good citizen. But that's not the point, i understand the "street" mentality, i deal with it everyday. Let's talk about Kobe. Well, i have to quote Shaq's agent on this: "It wasn't difficult to figure out that in this situation Kobe was a desperate man in a desperate situation and made desperate statements". That says everything, imo. Then if you are taking Shaq's side, or if you dont like Kobe at all, you can turn it to a diss, saying Kobe's a bitch. If you neutral, you just dont give a fuck about personal things (by the way he made those comments when he wasnt talking to Police no more, and we dont even know what he meant with it, like the article said). If you are taking Kobe's side, you can have 300 reasons to diss Shaq back. I aint taking sides. At the end of the day there have been no published reports of O'Neal ever being accused of any sex crime, so all this thing is just gossip. Kobe made mistakes. This is probably one of them.
this has nothing to do with be a good citizen. This is bringin another man into a fucked up situation you caused for yourself trying to save you ass. Thats not being a good citizen, thats not trying lock up your neighborhood drug dealer or local crime boss. THATS BEING A BITCH by tryin to save your image while tarnishing another mans image. How is what kobe said being a good citizen. It wont put shaq away for committing a crime. thats being a bitch tryin to make another man look bad.
Yes, exactly. He didn't even need to bring Shaq up. That'd be like me getting arrested, and start bitching about Tom this, Tom that. What the fuck has that got to do with anything? On TOP of that, his comments about Shaq by all accounts are probably made up bullshit, so it's doubly fucked up that not only did he bring Shaq's name up, but he was basically lying about it trying to get the big man in trouble.
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even if the shaq shit is true, Kobe is still a snitch. and i bet, shaq isn't the only one in the NBA/Sports in general who does that ;) (thas if he does)
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Damn. Clearly you guys have never seen a man under interrogation in your life, risking a lifetime sentence for something he didnt do. It's SCARING. Shit just check Resurrection, there's a clip of Pac under interrogation, and he's trying to act cool with the Police, trying to act intelligent, to say intelligent things, to prove he didnt do "gangsta" rap, but just "rap". When you are under pressure, you make mistakes. Kobe lied too, in that interrogation. Like everybody involved in them situations, cause i repeat they are scaring. Shit, a 2 hours interrogation, with the cops who wanna send you to jail. He did it. And, at the end of the interrogation, 99.9% out the room where they interrogated him (cause the shit wasnt taped), after Kobe was destroyed as a man, he probably said those things, 99.9% as a joke (cause Police didnt investigate on Shaq and didnt take the shit seriously, but as a joke). Now, months and months later, a "police officer" revealed this shit, but he didnt say why Kobe said it, or when, or how, and he cant explain what Kobe meant. And obviously he didnt tape it. 99.9% he wasnt even the guy who interrogated Kobe. Now, after all this joke, you are taking 2 mins of your life to diss a destroyed man calling him "a snitch"? Man, please! Since Shaq got traded, Shaq is on the papers like everyday, talking shit about Kobe, dissing him, making tracks to diss him, blaming him for the bad relationship, blaming him for the defeat with Detroit, basically saying Kobe told Buss to trade Shaq (which aint true), etc.. And i'm hearing nothing from Kobe, who's just trying to forget the worse period of his life. And now, months later, this police officer wanna brings some drama again? Shit, let the man be in peace.. for real! A bitch blamed him for a rape case! He risked a lifetime sentence. Whatever he did, he did for a mistake (included those Shaq-declarations, if they are real). But it's time to let the man live. For real. P.S. That gif of Shaq dunking on Kobe is just great.
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and i bet, shaq isn't the only one in the NBA/Sports in general who does that ;) (thas if he does)
Probably they dont "rape" girls, but for sure a lot of them "buy love", quoting Shaq. Cause with all their money and moving from East to West Coast like ever week, they cant have stable relationships with real girlfriends till they quit playing basketball. Or if they do, they see their girlfriends just once a month, sometimes. Shaq himself once had a lawsuit against him for this shit. But hey, Kobe said it exacly like i'm saying it right now. Bullshiting. Chilling. Not really blaming some1, but talking shit. In fact they didnt interrogate Shaq about it.
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As I said, on the radio around here, girls where calling in, saying how Shaq would buy them cars, or whatever after he slept with them. He was very much into at least buying sex.
Now for reals, Kobe had no business saying shit about Shaq to the police. True or not, that's not his business to say. It's not the same as 2Pac, because with 2Pac, he was being questioned on his music, that they were trying to put a murder case on him. How, 2Pac was right, he never sang gangsta rap. MC Eiht is gangsta rap, Snoop Dogg is gangsta rap, DJ Quik, Eazy E, all of them, they claim gangs in their songs, that's gangsta rap. 2Pac, he rapped about political and social problems. If gangs in his neighborhood was a problem, he'd rap about it, if his in the mood to party, he'd rap about it, that's not gangsta rap. His shit was completely different. Joking or not, you don't tell no ones business to anyone else. It's not Kobe's business to say shit, and if Shaq whoops his ass, I ain't mad, I'm laughing. Now, if the Lakers win,then I'm happier.
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Damn. Clearly you guys have never seen a man under interrogation in your life, risking a lifetime sentence for something he didnt do. It's SCARING.
Come on man. You STILL don't SNITCH! ANYBODY knows this. It's called loyalty, betrayal, being two faced, blah blah blah, people have come up with thousands of words over thousands of years to refer to the lowlifes that SNITCH.
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Man, i'm not saying he did a "good" thing, dont get me wrong. I'm saying it's the situation who forced him to make mistakes. You all are blaming him like if he was sitted on the sofŕ, drinking hennessy, watching a DVD and talking shit about the guy (Shaq) just cause he's jealous about his ego. C'mon! We're talking about a totally different situation here. It's a desperate man, who's under pressure, with a bitch blaming him for a rape case, with his life with his wife half-destroyed, embarassed, frustrated, and with all those little stories (read Lost Angel's post) about Shaq "buying love". While Kobe obviously didnt (buy it). And he MAYBE said that comment NOT under interrogation and WITHOUT making the Police investigate on Shaq. It was something like "God Damn! Shit! I had to buy love like Shaq....". Cause he was seeing himself in jail. Other than that, we are making too much noise about something which aint confirmed yet, aint taped, aint explained. What about Shaq bitching about Kobe like everyday on the news? He's in the "sofŕ with hennessy and DVD" situation, and he's acting like a fool. Imo. Well, both.
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there are different kinds of snitches.
like there are different kinds of murderers. soldiers are murderers. cops are murderers. serial killers are murderers. you see the difference.
same with snitches. there definitely are different kinds of snitches.
still.
a snitch is a snitch and a bitch is a bitch. and Kobe is a snitch.
a snitch. Kobe.
period.
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tonio.. forget you're a lakers fan for a second eh? ...
kobe is a snitch..... even if its not true and he was dry snitching.. he's still a snitch...
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What I don't get is how you guys don't expect shit like this? They're in a fucking beef right now, BIG FUCKING DEAL...It's not like he snitched his best friend out to get himself off...I don't agree, but I don't think he's a bitch for that...I just don't see it as a big deal, they're both part of this childish feud...PeACe
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Homie i dont speak english so well to fully express my argumentations, sorry about that. But let me try to be clear and cristalline enought: Kobe did a big mistake! He didnt have rights to disrespect Shaq (cause to name him is a disrespect, no matter what), and he didnt have rights to speak about something he cant prove, or at least is not related to his own situation. He did it in the wrong place, in the wrong moment and with the wrong person. This is a fact. Now we can talk about the other aspects, and the fact i'm a Lakers fan doesnt matter (it's more the fact that i'm a lawyer). Step 2 of the conversation is: why he did it? Cause he was jealous of Shaq's ego? Cause he's a "bitch"? Cause we was under pressure in the interrogation and he "snitched"? Probably. I wasnt there, so i dont know. And he didnt say this shit in a official taped interrogation anyway. The only 100% sure reason is that, IF this shit is real, Kobe said it when he was a destroyed man in a terrible situation, and not in a "Prince Of Bel-Air" situation. That's the only 100% sure thing. That's what i'm saying. This has nothing to do with the Kobe and Shaq relationship. This is something 100% Kobe related. He did a mistake. The reason is not Shaq, or something related to Shaq, but it's Kobe, and Kobe's situation who forced him to make this mistake. So i blame Kobe for that. But it has nothing to do with Shaq, and Shaq has nothing to do with this situation. It's a 25 years old "mistake". Like the "other" big one (the fact he fucked that bitch while he was married). But let's not forget Kobe is a VICTIM first. Everybody has destroyed him lately. But at least one person, that bitch, didnt have rights to do it.
Man, i'm not saying he did a "good" thing, dont get me wrong. I'm saying it's the situation who forced him to make mistakes.
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Yep Kobe's a bitch. I really do hope the lakers fall on their fuckin face this year. Kobe got shaq traded, and Phil fired. And I know that Phil was at the end of his contract, and people will be like "he wasn't fired, his contract was up". Well believe that if Kobe wanted the lakers to re-sign phil, they would have by any means necessary. I think Kobe's the sole reason why Phil wasn't contracted again. What other reason is there? The man won 3 championships in 5 years!!! 9 overall? And i'm really looking forward to when the lakers and miami play in december. I hope shaq fucks him up.
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Yep Kobe's a bitch. I really do hope the lakers fall on their fuckin face this year. Kobe got shaq traded, and Phil fired. And I know that Phil was at the end of his contract, and people will be like "he wasn't fired, his contract was up". Well believe that if Kobe wanted the lakers to re-sign phil, they would have by any means necessary. I think Kobe's the sole reason why Phil wasn't contracted again. What other reason is there? The man won 3 championships in 5 years!!! 9 overall? And i'm really looking forward to when the lakers and miami play in december. I hope shaq fucks him up.
Shaq left because he wanted more money+attention, and Phil left because he knew Shaq wouldn't return...Don't spread rumors.
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Man, i'm not saying he did a "good" thing, dont get me wrong. I'm saying it's the situation who forced him to make mistakes. You all are blaming him like if he was sitted on the sofŕ, drinking hennessy, watching a DVD and talking shit about the guy (Shaq) just cause he's jealous about his ego.
Well, the problem is... he does THAT, too. Look @ all the interviews he's given talking shit and things, when there's no pressure on. Plain and simple: Kobe's a bitch.
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Man, i'm not saying he did a "good" thing, dont get me wrong. I'm saying it's the situation who forced him to make mistakes. You all are blaming him like if he was sitted on the sofŕ, drinking hennessy, watching a DVD and talking shit about the guy (Shaq) just cause he's jealous about his ego.
Well, the problem is... he does THAT, too. Look @ all the interviews he's given talking shit and things, when there's no pressure on. Plain and simple: Kobe's a bitch.
Kobe has mostly praised Shaq in interviews...I don't even think you've seen him speak, so you're just speaking out your ass... ::)
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"This is an excerpt from Phil Jackson's book "Mindgames" by Roland Lazenby published in 2001.
Still, Jackson's initial disappointment over not getting Pippen led him to forecast a 5-5 start for his team in November. And that came before an October 13 injury forced Bryant to miss the first 15 games on the schedule. Yet even a setback such as Bryant's broken wrist proved to be a blessing. It allowed the coaches to mold the team indentity, then to add Bryant's frenetic energy to the equation in December, like some sort of super-octane fuel.
It would also allow time for the rift between Bryant and O'Neal to begin healing. On that issue, Jackson wasted little time. "I'm going to stop some of the gossiping, stop some of the rumormongering among the personnel here," he promised that first day.
At the time, Jackson and his coaches didn't realize just how deep a divide they faced. After the season, Winter would confide that he was shocked by the level of hatred O'Neal expressed for Bryant when the coaches first arrived on the scene. "There was alot of hatred in his heart," Winter said, adding that O'Neal didn't hesitate to vent his feelings in team meetings. "He was saying really hateful things," Winter explained. "Kobe just took it and kept going."
O'Neal's main message to anyone who would listen, including management, was that the team could not win a championship with Bryant. West had been strong in pushing aside O'Neal's desire to remove Bryant from the team, but there were signs that management had heard the message so often that they, too, entertained doubts. During the offseason, former O'Neal teammate Penny Hardaway had contacted O'Neal about joining the Lakers. The center jumped at the opportunity and phoned management. The implied message was that Bryant should be traded, but management declined that move.
During the season, as the coaches worked to heal the rift between the players, Winter explained that it had been clear that if the coaches' efforts didn't work that "a move would have to be made if they can't play together." The team wasn't about to trade the massive O'Neal, which meant that Bryant would have to go. Like West, though, the coaching staff saw Bryant as a Jordan-like player. His hands were smaller than Jordan's, but the athletic ability, the intelligence, the desire, were prodigious. What wasn't clear was whether Bryant would grow to possess the alpha male nature that made Jordan so dominant in his late twenties. Bryant was still so young, it was hard to evaluate him for that. He certainly possessed the work ethic and drive.
But Jackson put off the temptation to form a close relationship with Bryant. The coach correctly read that O'Neal's nature craved such a relationship, and Jackson turned just about all of his undivided attention to his relationship with O'Neal. The coach would later explain that the center did not have the same inquisitiveness as Jordan, and the conversations he had with O'Neal were not as expansive. Still, they spent much time talking. Early in the season, Bryant would point out that he had yet to sit down for an in-depth conversation with Jackson. Bryant kept expecting that conversation to occur. But it never would. Jackson kept his time for O'Neal. Some of the coaching staff pointed out that Bryant could have approached the coach about such a talk, but the young guard had such a strong sense of team issues that he seemed happy to let Jackson focus his efforts on soothing the center's harsh feelings.
For much of the healing between the center and the guard, Jackson and Winter relied on their triangle. The main idea was that because the offense was so structured, it would make the relationship between O'Neal and Bryant smoother on the court. Still, the coaches found there was so much residual anger on the part of O'Neal and other veterans against Bryant that Jackson had to spend months counseling O'Neal on how to get over it. The danger, said Winter, was that O'Neal seemed to influence the entire team against Bryant. So he and Jackson worked regularly on changing that attitude. "The coaches voiced to us that they weren't seeing the same things we were seeing when they watched film and when they watched what was going on," Derek Fisher explained. "They didn't see the same selfishness or one-on-one play that we saw. What I tried to tell some of the other guys is that this is our fourth year now- me, Shaq, Robert, Rick, Travis- so we still had issues that we had dealt with before this year."
And those issues were still cooking on the team agenda, Fisher said. "It was kind of similar to a relationship between a man and a woman where you get upset with all of these things from the past that come up. That's really where alot of this stuff stemmed from. The coaches saw that alot of this stuff would come in due time. But we were so impatient because we felt we had dealt with it before." For a time, it seemed that no matter what Bryant did, O'Neal and other teammates wanted to find fault with it. Winter revealed that he finally put together a videotape to prove to O'Neal that Bryant was doing just what he was supposed to do. "I think Kobe is bending over backwards to get the ball in to Shaq," Winter would confide as the season progressed. "If there's a problem there- and I think we'll work it out- it's that I don't think Shaq appreciates what Kobe is trying to do to help his game."
And so it became easy for the coaches to take Bryant's early injury as a blessing. The guard's absence allowed the team's entire focus to fall upon O'Neal, which worked nicely into Jackson's plans. He had named O'Neal capatain and spent considerable time talking through a new approach to the game. Jackson wanted more leadership, conditioning, and defense out of O'Neal. As Winter explained, Jackson knew that O'Neal was motivated by scoring points, so he gave the ceneter more scoring opportunities as long as he fulfilled the rest of his obligations. Jackson also regularly called O'Neal's hand if hew failed to do the right thing."
- After reading this article, i could see why kobe said that about shaq. shaq is a bitch.
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Man, i'm not saying he did a "good" thing, dont get me wrong. I'm saying it's the situation who forced him to make mistakes. You all are blaming him like if he was sitted on the sofŕ, drinking hennessy, watching a DVD and talking shit about the guy (Shaq) just cause he's jealous about his ego.
Well, the problem is... he does THAT, too. Look @ all the interviews he's given talking shit and things, when there's no pressure on. Plain and simple: Kobe's a bitch.
Wrong. Let me quote an article from today's Los Angeles Times:
"Kobe Bryant, speaking publicly for the first time since felony sexual assault charges against him were dropped last month, would not talk about criminal or civil proceedings. Bryant also passed up a chance to engage in a cross-country battle of words with Shaquille O'Neal, ignoring his former teammate's escalating criticism of him by saying, "We had great times, we had some not-so-great times…. I sincerely just wish him the best."
http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-lakers5oct05,1,7518604.story?coll=la-headlines-sports-nba-lakers
Dont let me quote the over 300 interviews Shaq has done in the last 2 weeks dissing Kobe and blaming him for everything. Please. There's another one just released today, where he disses his ex-teammates and obviously Kobe..
Q: Do you regret it didn't work out with you and Kobe?
A: No. Not at all.
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"This is an excerpt from Phil Jackson's book "Mindgames" by Roland Lazenby published in 2001.
Still, Jackson's initial disappointment over not getting Pippen led him to forecast a 5-5 start for his team in November. And that came before an October 13 injury forced Bryant to miss the first 15 games on the schedule. Yet even a setback such as Bryant's broken wrist proved to be a blessing. It allowed the coaches to mold the team indentity, then to add Bryant's frenetic energy to the equation in December, like some sort of super-octane fuel.
It would also allow time for the rift between Bryant and O'Neal to begin healing. On that issue, Jackson wasted little time. "I'm going to stop some of the gossiping, stop some of the rumormongering among the personnel here," he promised that first day.
At the time, Jackson and his coaches didn't realize just how deep a divide they faced. After the season, Winter would confide that he was shocked by the level of hatred O'Neal expressed for Bryant when the coaches first arrived on the scene. "There was alot of hatred in his heart," Winter said, adding that O'Neal didn't hesitate to vent his feelings in team meetings. "He was saying really hateful things," Winter explained. "Kobe just took it and kept going."
O'Neal's main message to anyone who would listen, including management, was that the team could not win a championship with Bryant. West had been strong in pushing aside O'Neal's desire to remove Bryant from the team, but there were signs that management had heard the message so often that they, too, entertained doubts. During the offseason, former O'Neal teammate Penny Hardaway had contacted O'Neal about joining the Lakers. The center jumped at the opportunity and phoned management. The implied message was that Bryant should be traded, but management declined that move.
During the season, as the coaches worked to heal the rift between the players, Winter explained that it had been clear that if the coaches' efforts didn't work that "a move would have to be made if they can't play together." The team wasn't about to trade the massive O'Neal, which meant that Bryant would have to go. Like West, though, the coaching staff saw Bryant as a Jordan-like player. His hands were smaller than Jordan's, but the athletic ability, the intelligence, the desire, were prodigious. What wasn't clear was whether Bryant would grow to possess the alpha male nature that made Jordan so dominant in his late twenties. Bryant was still so young, it was hard to evaluate him for that. He certainly possessed the work ethic and drive.
But Jackson put off the temptation to form a close relationship with Bryant. The coach correctly read that O'Neal's nature craved such a relationship, and Jackson turned just about all of his undivided attention to his relationship with O'Neal. The coach would later explain that the center did not have the same inquisitiveness as Jordan, and the conversations he had with O'Neal were not as expansive. Still, they spent much time talking. Early in the season, Bryant would point out that he had yet to sit down for an in-depth conversation with Jackson. Bryant kept expecting that conversation to occur. But it never would. Jackson kept his time for O'Neal. Some of the coaching staff pointed out that Bryant could have approached the coach about such a talk, but the young guard had such a strong sense of team issues that he seemed happy to let Jackson focus his efforts on soothing the center's harsh feelings.
For much of the healing between the center and the guard, Jackson and Winter relied on their triangle. The main idea was that because the offense was so structured, it would make the relationship between O'Neal and Bryant smoother on the court. Still, the coaches found there was so much residual anger on the part of O'Neal and other veterans against Bryant that Jackson had to spend months counseling O'Neal on how to get over it. The danger, said Winter, was that O'Neal seemed to influence the entire team against Bryant. So he and Jackson worked regularly on changing that attitude. "The coaches voiced to us that they weren't seeing the same things we were seeing when they watched film and when they watched what was going on," Derek Fisher explained. "They didn't see the same selfishness or one-on-one play that we saw. What I tried to tell some of the other guys is that this is our fourth year now- me, Shaq, Robert, Rick, Travis- so we still had issues that we had dealt with before this year."
And those issues were still cooking on the team agenda, Fisher said. "It was kind of similar to a relationship between a man and a woman where you get upset with all of these things from the past that come up. That's really where alot of this stuff stemmed from. The coaches saw that alot of this stuff would come in due time. But we were so impatient because we felt we had dealt with it before." For a time, it seemed that no matter what Bryant did, O'Neal and other teammates wanted to find fault with it. Winter revealed that he finally put together a videotape to prove to O'Neal that Bryant was doing just what he was supposed to do. "I think Kobe is bending over backwards to get the ball in to Shaq," Winter would confide as the season progressed. "If there's a problem there- and I think we'll work it out- it's that I don't think Shaq appreciates what Kobe is trying to do to help his game."
And so it became easy for the coaches to take Bryant's early injury as a blessing. The guard's absence allowed the team's entire focus to fall upon O'Neal, which worked nicely into Jackson's plans. He had named O'Neal capatain and spent considerable time talking through a new approach to the game. Jackson wanted more leadership, conditioning, and defense out of O'Neal. As Winter explained, Jackson knew that O'Neal was motivated by scoring points, so he gave the ceneter more scoring opportunities as long as he fulfilled the rest of his obligations. Jackson also regularly called O'Neal's hand if hew failed to do the right thing."
- After reading this article, i could see why kobe said that about shaq. shaq is a bitch.
Now comment on that... ;D
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"This is an excerpt from Phil Jackson's book "Mindgames" by Roland Lazenby published in 2001.
Still, Jackson's initial disappointment over not getting Pippen led him to forecast a 5-5 start for his team in November. And that came before an October 13 injury forced Bryant to miss the first 15 games on the schedule. Yet even a setback such as Bryant's broken wrist proved to be a blessing. It allowed the coaches to mold the team indentity, then to add Bryant's frenetic energy to the equation in December, like some sort of super-octane fuel.
It would also allow time for the rift between Bryant and O'Neal to begin healing. On that issue, Jackson wasted little time. "I'm going to stop some of the gossiping, stop some of the rumormongering among the personnel here," he promised that first day.
At the time, Jackson and his coaches didn't realize just how deep a divide they faced. After the season, Winter would confide that he was shocked by the level of hatred O'Neal expressed for Bryant when the coaches first arrived on the scene. "There was alot of hatred in his heart," Winter said, adding that O'Neal didn't hesitate to vent his feelings in team meetings. "He was saying really hateful things," Winter explained. "Kobe just took it and kept going."
O'Neal's main message to anyone who would listen, including management, was that the team could not win a championship with Bryant. West had been strong in pushing aside O'Neal's desire to remove Bryant from the team, but there were signs that management had heard the message so often that they, too, entertained doubts. During the offseason, former O'Neal teammate Penny Hardaway had contacted O'Neal about joining the Lakers. The center jumped at the opportunity and phoned management. The implied message was that Bryant should be traded, but management declined that move.
During the season, as the coaches worked to heal the rift between the players, Winter explained that it had been clear that if the coaches' efforts didn't work that "a move would have to be made if they can't play together." The team wasn't about to trade the massive O'Neal, which meant that Bryant would have to go. Like West, though, the coaching staff saw Bryant as a Jordan-like player. His hands were smaller than Jordan's, but the athletic ability, the intelligence, the desire, were prodigious. What wasn't clear was whether Bryant would grow to possess the alpha male nature that made Jordan so dominant in his late twenties. Bryant was still so young, it was hard to evaluate him for that. He certainly possessed the work ethic and drive.
But Jackson put off the temptation to form a close relationship with Bryant. The coach correctly read that O'Neal's nature craved such a relationship, and Jackson turned just about all of his undivided attention to his relationship with O'Neal. The coach would later explain that the center did not have the same inquisitiveness as Jordan, and the conversations he had with O'Neal were not as expansive. Still, they spent much time talking. Early in the season, Bryant would point out that he had yet to sit down for an in-depth conversation with Jackson. Bryant kept expecting that conversation to occur. But it never would. Jackson kept his time for O'Neal. Some of the coaching staff pointed out that Bryant could have approached the coach about such a talk, but the young guard had such a strong sense of team issues that he seemed happy to let Jackson focus his efforts on soothing the center's harsh feelings.
For much of the healing between the center and the guard, Jackson and Winter relied on their triangle. The main idea was that because the offense was so structured, it would make the relationship between O'Neal and Bryant smoother on the court. Still, the coaches found there was so much residual anger on the part of O'Neal and other veterans against Bryant that Jackson had to spend months counseling O'Neal on how to get over it. The danger, said Winter, was that O'Neal seemed to influence the entire team against Bryant. So he and Jackson worked regularly on changing that attitude. "The coaches voiced to us that they weren't seeing the same things we were seeing when they watched film and when they watched what was going on," Derek Fisher explained. "They didn't see the same selfishness or one-on-one play that we saw. What I tried to tell some of the other guys is that this is our fourth year now- me, Shaq, Robert, Rick, Travis- so we still had issues that we had dealt with before this year."
And those issues were still cooking on the team agenda, Fisher said. "It was kind of similar to a relationship between a man and a woman where you get upset with all of these things from the past that come up. That's really where alot of this stuff stemmed from. The coaches saw that alot of this stuff would come in due time. But we were so impatient because we felt we had dealt with it before." For a time, it seemed that no matter what Bryant did, O'Neal and other teammates wanted to find fault with it. Winter revealed that he finally put together a videotape to prove to O'Neal that Bryant was doing just what he was supposed to do. "I think Kobe is bending over backwards to get the ball in to Shaq," Winter would confide as the season progressed. "If there's a problem there- and I think we'll work it out- it's that I don't think Shaq appreciates what Kobe is trying to do to help his game."
And so it became easy for the coaches to take Bryant's early injury as a blessing. The guard's absence allowed the team's entire focus to fall upon O'Neal, which worked nicely into Jackson's plans. He had named O'Neal capatain and spent considerable time talking through a new approach to the game. Jackson wanted more leadership, conditioning, and defense out of O'Neal. As Winter explained, Jackson knew that O'Neal was motivated by scoring points, so he gave the ceneter more scoring opportunities as long as he fulfilled the rest of his obligations. Jackson also regularly called O'Neal's hand if hew failed to do the right thing."
- After reading this article, i could see why kobe said that about shaq. shaq is a bitch.
See...How can people read that shit and still blame Kobe?...I've read that book, and I read the LA Times every morning...I know the stories, the rumors, the interviews...I've been saying this ALL along; Shaq is a selfish, greedy, hateful mutherfucker...You people are blinded by the fuckin' media, the way they've been tryna' turn Kobe into the bad guy...Shaq demanded the trade, Shaq can eat the dick...PeACe
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Oh, and Shaq is the one sitted on the sofŕ, drinking hennessy, watching the DVD and LYING LIKE A BITCH!
P.S. When he was a Laker, Shaq said the same exact things against Eddie Jones. Now he's a teammate again. Good luck EJ.
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kobe's still a bitch. :nahnah: