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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Trauma-san on October 17, 2004, 02:09:00 PM
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Alright, first off, Benzino's an asshole, so don't think I'm jumping on his jock since he's sticking up for Michael.
What you got to remember about all of this is, Eminem is being a prick about this whole situation. How? Lemme explain.
Weird Al does parodies of famous songs, right? We all know who Weird Al is. Weird Al has a position, since he's a nice guy, where he asks everybody that he parodies if it's o.k. with them to do it. Weird Al asked Eminem! If he could do a video parodying Eminem, and Eminem said "No". Flat out No. Wouldn't take what he gives out. Eminem has helped make a huge career on making fun of famous people, but yet wouldn't let Weird Al make fun of him. Strike One against Slim Shady.
Remember a couple years ago when Eminem was fighting with Moby? @ the MTV awards, Triumph the Comic Insult Dog had the balls to go up to Eminem after talking to Moby, and Eminem about beat up the fucking PUPPET. A PUPPET. He's a Bitch. He can't take anybody spoofing his ass, and then he cries like a baby in all of his videos about how misunderstood he is blah blah blah.
Now, take Michael on the other hand. Weird Al asked Michael in the 80's, when Weird Al was a NOBODY, if he could make fun of Michael in a video for "Beat It" called "Eat It"... where he dressed up like a fat ass, and danced around grabbing his crotch and making fun of all of Michael's shit like the glove and everything. Michael loved it, said he could do it, and Weird Al got RICH off of it. Later, Weird Al spoofed "Bad" with "Fat", asked Michael if he could do it, Michael said yes, it's great, and Weird Al made another few million dollars.
A couple years back, that kid band made a remake of "Smooth Criminal" with monkeys in the videos, a guy jumping around doing the moonwalk and grabbing his crotch with a glove, all kinds of shit, and they asked Michael's permission before they did even that! And he said yeah, it was great, he loved it, go ahead with his blessing.
Michael doesn't have any problem with people making fun of him. Making fun of MOLESTING CHILDREN, .... ISN'T funny. How hard is that to see?
So I don't blame him for wanting the video pulled, it's slanderous. If I say "Overseer's a funny motherfucker", that's one thing. If I go around and say "Overseer likes to have little boys over at his house, and he fondles their penis"....... that's not really that funny. How anybody doesn't see the difference is beyond me.
On top of all of this, Michael never said he would sue Eminem. Geraldo Rivera said Michael is powerful enough to sue... Michael called into Steve Harvey's Radio show in L.A., and said a lot of nice things about Eminem, actually. He's said for years he was a fan of Eminem, and Eminem has made fun of Michael before, but don't you think it's a little over the line to make fun of someone molesting children? That shit ain't funny.
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I would like to thank you, Steve, Radio One, the African-American community, my fans from around the world, and some of the members of the media, for the support that you have given to me. I would also like to thank Mr. Robert Johnson, Chairman and Founder of BET for pulling the Eminem video from BET’s airplay. I appreciate very much the love and support that you all have shown me.
“I am very angry at Eminem’s depiction of me in his video. I feel that it is outrageous and disrespectful. It is one thing to spoof, but it is another to be demeaning and insensitive.
“I’ve admired Eminem as a artist, and was shocked by this. The video was inappropriate and disrespectful to me, my children, my family, and the community at large. It is my hope that the other networks will take BET’s lead and pull it.”
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Oh, BTW, Michael talks Live to Geraldo Rivera tonight @ 10!
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So I don't blame him for wanting the video pulled, it's slanderous. If I say "Overseer's a funny motherfucker", that's one thing. If I go around and say "Overseer likes to have little boys over at his house, and he fondles their penis"....... that's not really that funny. How anybody doesn't see the difference is beyond me.
that comparison is not bad actually cuz i guarantee you'd be taken off dubcc lol. i see ur point, personally i just don't care enough...the mj shit in the video is pretty damn lame anyways, whatever ur views on it might be
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Things I could say that would be fucked up, but not FUCKED up.
Overseer's a fat ass.
Overseer's an asshole.
Overseer has a funny ass voice
Overseer's the ugliest motherfucker walking the face of the earth
Overseer can't get laid
Overseer has an I.Q. of about 10
Overseer is poor like Kenny
Now, there's a difference between that and
Overseer likes to stick his dick in small children.
I don't see why people don't see the difference in this.
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hm you got to take into account that Eminem hasnt "said" that MJ is sticking his dick into little children.. all the video "said" was that MJ likes little children around him.. which is true, MJ admitted that he likes to sleep with children in his bed, the video didnt show anyone fucking a kid or anything like that, all that was shown were happy kids, jumping on a bed happily. And not kids being molested or tortured.
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I see what you're saying Trauma, it makes sense. But so does the argument from the other side. I don't really give a fuck either way, I don't know Em or MJ.
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I agree with Trauma 100% here, Eminem is a dickwad and always has been anyways.
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Bullshit about the 'just jumping comment'. Listen to the lyrics, it's obviously written about Michael molesting Children. It's disgusting.
Question: Would it be funny if Eminem made fun of Jeffrey Dahmer fucking men he picked up off the street and then murdering them?
Even if Michael's guilty, this isn't funny. Yall are some sick motherfuckers.
Also, Eminem's a PUSSY because he won't let anyone parody him, but yet stands behind that 'it's just a parody' shield whenever he wants to make some money. Fuck Eminem, he's a bitch, and I'd tell him that to his face, what's he gonna do, pistol whip me?
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get a sense of humor. em is laughing at all you idiots who are firing up the controversey so he can make more record sales and millions of dollars. And my views on jacko still remain the same, hes a freak show. And that eminem song is a fuckin joke. its pathetic. but he made it for this exact response and hes getting what he wants and that makes me laugh at all the mj fanatics that cant take a joke and take life way to fuckin seriouslly.
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get a sense of humor. em is laughing at all you idiots who are firing up the controversey so he can make more record sales and millions of dollars.
Yup.
Eminem is browsing Dubcc, Allhiphop and Sohh right now, laughing his ass off reading every thread with his name..
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Eminem's always been a dick. I'm not now nor will I ever stand up for his human integrity. The problem I have is that Mike is just as big a dick as Em is. The difference is with Em we know it. He may complain and bitch a lot, but he never gives off the impression that he is in any way some sort of saint, and when he gets mad at people for tearing him down he basically admits it's because he doesn't like it, and he has the power to stop it. Michael on the other hand wants people to think he is the second coming of Christ, or at least it seems that way, and when he complained about getting made fun of he made it seem like Eminem was hurting society with the way he tore down MJ. Like this was above and beyond the basic cruelty that Eminem normally spits out. Where was Mike when Em said "I'm hitting the trees harder than Sonny Bono, oh no!" on his first album? I'd like to think that that's a little more disrespectful to the friends and family of Sunny Bono than Eminem making note that MJ sleeps with children in his bed. Like I said in another thread, if Mike just came out and said ;"I find it offensive that Eminem made disrespectful implications towards me, and I am going to use my power to put an end to this video", I wouldn't have said shit. Instead, he tries to make it seem like Eminem is doing something worse than he normally does. Since just about every comedian's stand up routine and every sketch comedy TV show has made far more direct jokes about MJ's fascination with children, I really don't find it shocking to see Eminem do it.
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Things I could say that would be fucked up, but not FUCKED up.
Overseer's a fat ass.
Overseer's an asshole.
Overseer has a funny ass voice
Overseer's the ugliest motherfucker walking the face of the earth
Overseer can't get laid
Overseer has an I.Q. of about 10
Overseer is poor like Kenny
Now, there's a difference between that and
Overseer likes to stick his dick in small children.
I don't see why people don't see the difference in this.
Agrees with all the above ;D lol
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i dont recall eminem saying "mj likes to stick his dick in little children". Your just making the situation worse then it actually is. If you dont like the track dont listen to it, which im sure the majority of us dont listen to it.
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Eminem's a PUSSY because he won't let anyone parody him, but yet stands behind that 'it's just a parody' shield whenever he wants to make some money.
i thought Weird Al DID parody "Without Me" and Em was cool with that...just didnt let him do a video for it. Trying to shield his image i guess
Obviously MJ's gonna hate it, Obviously Em is just tryin to stir up controversy for record sales.....he's probably being pushed by his lable to do it too. Its crude humor, but why would it offend you if it has nothing to do with you? The only people who should care are MJ, Peewee Herman etc, and their families.
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get a sense of humor.
I have a sense of humour, and it doesn't entertain making fun of fucking children. I draw the line wayyyy before I get to that point.
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i dont recall eminem saying "mj likes to stick his dick in little children". Your just making the situation worse then it actually is. If you dont like the track dont listen to it, which im sure the majority of us dont listen to it.
He has kids jumping around on a bed with Michael, and then says shit all through the song about boys shaking their ass, and child molestation, etc. etc. are you fucking stupid? THIS is what passes for hip hop. THIS is why the world considers your favorite music THE FUCKING JOKE it is! There's your sense of humour.
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THIS is why the world considers your favorite music THE FUCKING JOKE it is!
The whole world considers it a joke?? hahahahaha, thats funny. Not everyone thinks like you. You get a diss for that.
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i dont recall eminem saying "mj likes to stick his dick in little children". Your just making the situation worse then it actually is. If you dont like the track dont listen to it, which im sure the majority of us dont listen to it.
He has kids jumping around on a bed with Michael, and then says shit all through the song about boys shaking their ass, and child molestation, etc. etc. are you fucking stupid? THIS is what passes for hip hop. THIS is why the world considers your favorite music THE FUCKING JOKE it is! There's your sense of humour.
and i still dont recall em saying "mj likes to stick his dick in little children". Go watch your gay porn and jack off to "beat it" fuckin idiot.
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It amazes me to some extent, that even after dropping his worst single by far in his career, the whole fuckin world still talks about Eminem. Granted, not because of the musical elements of said single, but still.
Personally, I don't see what exactly is Michael so mad about. Like it was said, the video didn't show him doing anything bad to anybody. In the lyrics, there ARE those few lines "guess who's back with a brand new rap... ...I done touched on everything but little boys". But then there's the "that's not a stab at Michael, that's just a metaphor, I'm just psycho". Right after that. Now, I know the two don't just cancel each other out, but I think it's clear Em never intended to harm MJ with this.
But after it's all said and done, I really couldn't care less. It's all just fuel to keep the Slim Shady fire burning. I just want the album and hope "Just Lose It" is the only wack poppy cut on there.
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Alright, first off, Benzino's an asshole, so don't think I'm jumping on his jock since he's sticking up for Michael.
What you got to remember about all of this is, Eminem is being a prick about this whole situation. How? Lemme explain.
Weird Al does parodies of famous songs, right? We all know who Weird Al is. Weird Al has a position, since he's a nice guy, where he asks everybody that he parodies if it's o.k. with them to do it. Weird Al asked Eminem! If he could do a video parodying Eminem, and Eminem said "No". Flat out No. Wouldn't take what he gives out. Eminem has helped make a huge career on making fun of famous people, but yet wouldn't let Weird Al make fun of him. Strike One against Slim Shady.
Remember a couple years ago when Eminem was fighting with Moby? @ the MTV awards, Triumph the Comic Insult Dog had the balls to go up to Eminem after talking to Moby, and Eminem about beat up the fucking PUPPET. A PUPPET. He's a Bitch. He can't take anybody spoofing his ass, and then he cries like a baby in all of his videos about how misunderstood he is blah blah blah.
Now, take Michael on the other hand. Weird Al asked Michael in the 80's, when Weird Al was a NOBODY, if he could make fun of Michael in a video for "Beat It" called "Eat It"... where he dressed up like a fat ass, and danced around grabbing his crotch and making fun of all of Michael's shit like the glove and everything. Michael loved it, said he could do it, and Weird Al got RICH off of it. Later, Weird Al spoofed "Bad" with "Fat", asked Michael if he could do it, Michael said yes, it's great, and Weird Al made another few million dollars.
A couple years back, that kid band made a remake of "Smooth Criminal" with monkeys in the videos, a guy jumping around doing the moonwalk and grabbing his crotch with a glove, all kinds of shit, and they asked Michael's permission before they did even that! And he said yeah, it was great, he loved it, go ahead with his blessing.
Michael doesn't have any problem with people making fun of him. Making fun of MOLESTING CHILDREN, .... ISN'T funny. How hard is that to see?
So I don't blame him for wanting the video pulled, it's slanderous. If I say "Overseer's a funny motherfucker", that's one thing. If I go around and say "Overseer likes to have little boys over at his house, and he fondles their penis"....... that's not really that funny. How anybody doesn't see the difference is beyond me.
On top of all of this, Michael never said he would sue Eminem. Geraldo Rivera said Michael is powerful enough to sue... Michael called into Steve Harvey's Radio show in L.A., and said a lot of nice things about Eminem, actually. He's said for years he was a fan of Eminem, and Eminem has made fun of Michael before, but don't you think it's a little over the line to make fun of someone molesting children? That shit ain't funny.
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I would like to thank you, Steve, Radio One, the African-American community, my fans from around the world, and some of the members of the media, for the support that you have given to me. I would also like to thank Mr. Robert Johnson, Chairman and Founder of BET for pulling the Eminem video from BET’s airplay. I appreciate very much the love and support that you all have shown me.
“I am very angry at Eminem’s depiction of me in his video. I feel that it is outrageous and disrespectful. It is one thing to spoof, but it is another to be demeaning and insensitive.
“I’ve admired Eminem as a artist, and was shocked by this. The video was inappropriate and disrespectful to me, my children, my family, and the community at large. It is my hope that the other networks will take BET’s lead and pull it.”
couldn't have said it any better.. props
as for the lyrics not clearly refering to molestation, please.. "I done touched on everything but little boys" what else is that supposed to mean
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^FOLLOWED BY, THATS NOT A STAB AT MICHAEL THATS JUST A METAPHOR IM JUS PSYCHO
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"fuck blacks who turn white, wear make up and have nose surgery.. that's not a stab at michael" doesn't sound like a mj diss does it ? ::)
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IF it turns out MJ is guilty....he should be dissed an made fun of to the most possible extreme. Em is jus jumpin to the front of the line, its usually guilty before proven innocent for superstars in the media. Fuck child molesters..
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THIS is why the world considers your favorite music THE FUCKING JOKE it is! There's your sense of humour.
Isnt Dubcc a mostly hiphop/rap board? why would you post on here if you dont like it? and Em doesnt speak for the whole community. Thats like all of rock being judged by what Axl Rose does
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im sure mj aint just annoyed at the child molestation suggestions in the video but also of other things.
Eg michaels hair gettin caught on fire, that could killed mj and also the jokes about mj nose falling off. Im sure he dont appreciate that!
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I have a new stalker, with quotes from me in his sig. How... urgh... psychotic.
Lets all make a video, making fun of Jon Benet Ramsey getting murdered and fucked by someone. That would be HILARIOUS! Some sicko must have done that, lets make a music video making fun of it.
Hey, I got another one! They say when Scott Peterson's wife Laci was found, half of her arms and her head were missing because the body had deteriorated so rapidly in the water. Also, her unborn child had been ejected from her body as they both decayed. That SOUNDS HILARIOUS!!! Lets make a song and parody it in a video.
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i agree with trauma. Fuck eminem, he blows anyways, why not visit my sound click page and get some real rap.
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you forgot OJ and his wife.
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Damn it, do you have to make it that obvious ? How am I supposed to react, I couldn't possibly deny what you called me on cause that would only make me look even more pathetic.. now I have to make some random comment to overact it.. bastard !
sorry but don't forget, it was still you who said it, it's your own fault that you're in that situation now
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I totally agree with Trauma... I've been talking to some mates on this case (yeah, Eminem does once again succeed in getting the attention he wants) and it seemed like they didn't think it was somehow overly insulting towards Michael. Come on, it might not be all literally, but the whole entire song is intended to be one big respectless MJ diss. It would be great if some real musicians started dissing Eminem in some way, but then again, they're all way too grown up and wise to act that foolish. Eminem's an annoying kid, wonder what he'll do next. All I know is that he won't make another dollar on me.
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Another thing I don't like about it is, Michael's an easy target. Making fun of Michael Jackson is like making fun of a turd. I'm not saying Michael is a turd, I'm just saying they're both easy jokes.
Look. A Turd. Ha. Ha. Ha.
It's not intelligent, it's crass cheap lowest-common denominator humour. At least THINK of something funny, not the easiest shit possible.
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not intelligent, when you make as much money as him then you have room to talk.
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This is no different then Jada saying "Why did Bush knock down the towers?" Its no different than Ice T making cop killa. BET was looking for an excuse to ban eminem, and they finally found it. Why is Michael Jackson the sacred cow that can't be talked about. What about Dave Chappelle doing a parody of ignition "a little poo poo a little pee pee". They don't ban dave chappelle. I say we get rid of free speech all together!!!
Sorry Trauma, I think you're wrong on this one.
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This is no different then Jada saying "Why did Bush knock down the towers?" Its no different than Ice T making cop killa. BET was looking for an excuse to ban eminem, and they finally found it. Why is Michael Jackson the sacred cow that can't be talked about. What about Dave Chappelle doing a parody of ignition "a little poo poo a little pee pee". They don't ban dave chappelle. I say we get rid of free speech all together!!!
Sorry Trauma, I think you're wrong on this one.
So to you, Michael Jackson molesting children is funny? I think you're wrong on this one. It's not something that should be mocked or ridiculed, it's fucking sick. If it didn't happen, and he's innocent, it's even worse. Yall are fucked in the head, and it's a sad world when stuff like this passes for humour.
Would Redd Foxx ever ridicule someone for being a pedophile? What is funny in that? Bob Hope? Bill Cosby? Jackie Gleason? Sammy Davis Jr.? Jack Benny? Johnny Carson?
Eminem thinks he's a comedian.
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This is no different then Jada saying "Why did Bush knock down the towers?" Its no different than Ice T making cop killa. BET was looking for an excuse to ban eminem, and they finally found it. Why is Michael Jackson the sacred cow that can't be talked about. What about Dave Chappelle doing a parody of ignition "a little poo poo a little pee pee". They don't ban dave chappelle. I say we get rid of free speech all together!!!
Sorry Trauma, I think you're wrong on this one.
So to you, Michael Jackson molesting children is funny? I think you're wrong on this one. It's not something that should be mocked or ridiculed, it's fucking sick. If it didn't happen, and he's innocent, it's even worse. Yall are fucked in the head, and it's a sad world when stuff like this passes for humour.
Would Redd Foxx ever ridicule someone for being a pedophile? What is funny in that? Bob Hope? Bill Cosby? Jackie Gleason? Sammy Davis Jr.? Jack Benny? Johnny Carson?
Eminem thinks he's a comedian.
Uh, i never said it was funny. And i think 5 of those comedians you named are dead, so no, they are never going to ridicule someone for being a pedophile. However, i bet if Richard Prior were around he would, i bet chris rock would, i bet eddie murphy would - if it was anybody OTHER than MJ (seeing as there buddies) Why do you get all bent out of shape - admit it, its just because its MJ. You don't seem to give a fuck about what Chappelle did to R. Kelly. Where exactly do you draw the line?
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This is no different then Jada saying "Why did Bush knock down the towers?" Its no different than Ice T making cop killa. BET was looking for an excuse to ban eminem, and they finally found it. Why is Michael Jackson the sacred cow that can't be talked about. What about Dave Chappelle doing a parody of ignition "a little poo poo a little pee pee". They don't ban dave chappelle. I say we get rid of free speech all together!!!
Sorry Trauma, I think you're wrong on this one.
So to you, Michael Jackson molesting children is funny? I think you're wrong on this one. It's not something that should be mocked or ridiculed, it's fucking sick. If it didn't happen, and he's innocent, it's even worse. Yall are fucked in the head, and it's a sad world when stuff like this passes for humour.
Would Redd Foxx ever ridicule someone for being a pedophile? What is funny in that? Bob Hope? Bill Cosby? Jackie Gleason? Sammy Davis Jr.? Jack Benny? Johnny Carson?
Eminem thinks he's a comedian.
You know what, Fuck You! Where the fuck where you when Em was bashing just about everyone else, some just as worse than this. It's worse if he's innocent? No fucking chance. The only sympathy I have for anyone is IF there were children who were molested and they have to relive just a little more than usual. How many comedians have been mocking Jackson about this type of shit since '94? You act like Em is the first one. Remember In Living Color's Home Alone 3 skit? What do you think that was about? Leno, Letterman, Robin Williams, every fucking sketch comedy, and that's just to name a few. I bet Johnny would have done it too if he was still on the Tonight Show when it happened the first time. And I know he would have done it after that whole Neverland ranch documentary. Jackson is a clown. He does stupid things to get attention, and he gets it. Just because it isn't the attention he wants, he gets mad. If I were innocent and an idiot like Eminem were making jokes about disgusting things that I never did, then I wouldn't care. I also wouldn't pay off a kid I never touched, just so I could stay out of court. If I did touch the kid then I'd have a lot more to worry about than trials and sick jokes. I'd be worrying about the good lord, and his plans for me.
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I disagree with you then, we'll leave it at that. I don't want to get into the "fuck you, no, fuck YOU" game again.
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I disagree with you then, we'll leave it at that. I don't want to get into the "fuck you, no, fuck YOU" game again.
I don't think we've ever gone that route before.
In any event, I was more trying to strengthen the paragraph (profanity helps), rather than express anger, (I'm no Hemmingway, but that is evident). It was more than a tirade though. You could explain to me why you didn't publicly bash Em for his tasteless Sonny Bono remarks, or show me that you did indeed do so, Or you could just say you like Mike more than Em and that's why you picked MJ's side. If Em dissed Bruce and Bruce publicly complained, I'd probably be on Springsteen's side. Of course Em would never dis the Boss, lol, and Bruce probably wouldn't care. But who knows?