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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: *Jamal* on November 12, 2004, 04:30:06 AM
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NEW YORK (Reuters) - Picking the greatest ever hip-hop album is a tall order and Entertainment Weekly admits its list marking 25 years since the birth of mainstream rap is subjective, with Eric B & Rakim at No. 1.
"Eric B. & Rakim's 'Paid in Full' made hip-hop a true art form, doing for rap what Bob Dylan (news) did for rock in the mid-'60s," the magazine said of the 1987 album which it praised for its technical intricacy and poetic metaphors.
Some of today's big names such as Outkast and Jay-Z may be disappointed not to make it into the top 10, although the former makes it to 11 with "Aquemini" and Jay-Z's "The Blueprint" is listed at 15. Eminem (news - web sites) is at 17 for "The Marshall Mathers LP."
"It's not a record sales list," said Neil Drumming, one of the writers at Entertainment Weekly who picked the top 25.
"Most of the people you find on the list or not on the list, rappers in general, are going to reference Eric B. & Rakim as a seminal rap group," he said.
In second place the magazine picked the 1989 album "3 Feet High and Rising" by De La Soul, followed by "Ready to Die" by Notorious B.I.G. from 1994. Public Enemy and Run-D.M.C. make up the rest of the top five.
"It's an endless source of debate even after it's published," Drumming said.
The publication of the list on Friday marks the 25th anniversary of hip-hop as a mainstream phenomenon, which the magazine dates from 1979 when the Sugarhill Gang's "Rapper's Delight" landed on the R&B charts, making it hip-hop's first hit single.
"A lot of people didn't believe it would last, what people are acknowledging now is that it's not a fad," Drumming said.
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i"ll take 7 Mc's put them in a line
and take 7 more brothers that think they can rhyme
well it'll take 7 more before i go for mine
now that 21 mc's ate up at the same time.
Wasn't NOBODY spittin like that before Rakim. He transcended the game.
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2nd greatest in my opinion. Absolutely incredible album.
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2nd greatest in my opinion. Absolutely incredible album.
What's 1st?
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2nd greatest in my opinion. Absolutely incredible album.
What's 1st?
It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back by Public Enemy.
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Paid In Full is one of the most fundamental bricks of modern Rap...I think his choice is understandable.
p.s as for Arafat's pic in your sig(as disturbing as it is), When Arafat does "V" it don't mean "peace" it means "Victory"
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Paid In Full is one of the most fundamental bricks of modern Rap...I think his choice is understandable.
p.s as for Arafat's pic in your sig(as disturbing as it is), When Arafat does "V" it don't mean "peace" it means "Victory"
Thanks, I'll change it.
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p.s as for Arafat's pic in your sig(as disturbing as it is), When Arafat does "V" it don't mean "peace" it means "Victory"
Thanks, I'll change it.
LOL.. I thought you were going to change the pic, but instead you just changed the word under it...
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lol @ mmlp and blueprint
fuck outta here
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lol @ mmlp and blueprint
fuck outta here
blueprint................o....kay...........................MMLP NEVER
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If Ready to Die is in the top 3 then MMLP should be in the top 25. Impact means as much as quality.
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^ what about all the cds that paved the way for eminem... its not even considered a classic.. its not flawless.. its a good cd thats it
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Paid In Full is a great choice. (It's my #1)
I'm surpised De La and Biggie made it over Nas and Dre.
Top Five:
Paid In Full
Illmatic
The Chronic
Enter The Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)
The Low End Theory
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^ what about all the cds that paved the way for eminem... its not even considered a classic.. its not flawless.. its a good cd thats it
em was on some "big daddy kane shit" Quote from Yellow Brick Road
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If Ready to Die is in the top 3 then MMLP should be in the top 25. Impact means as much as quality.
impact = sales ??
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If Ready to Die is in the top 3 then MMLP should be in the top 25. Impact means as much as quality.
impact = sales ??
And sales mean something, you think MJ's Thriller would make any lists if it only went 3 platinum? Also, the MMLP created a lot of contraversy and brought a lot of good attention to Rap. Well, better attention than MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice brought to it. MMLP was an MC at his finest, he played around with a lot of flows, and created a spectacilar peice of conceptual poetry with Stan. I don't know what makes anything by Biggie better than this. I've said it before, and I'll say it again; Chris Wallace was the most overrated MC in rap. He was good, even great, but he's way over praised. He very rarely expiremented, his flow and rhymes overshdowed his lyrical content. The guy basically retold gangster movies on wax. Where was the originality. I'm not saying Em is number one, or even close, but just because of Stan I place him above Biggie as far as being an artist goes.
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Paid in Full for greatest album is cool with me anyday
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I can see Paid In Full on top of any list. Arguing the greatest rap album of all time is a very hard thing to do, but Paid In Full is top 5 in any list. So being rank number one is no surprise.
De La Soul and Ready to Die, top three though... hum? I'd put Illmatic up there, along with Makaveli, The Diary and The Chronic. Too many great albums to choice from, including Criminal Minded and Low End Theory. Lets not forget AmeriKKKa'z Most Wanted, the only westcoast album to get a 5 mic review. It's a hard list to complete for sure.
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Hieroglyphics - 3rd Eye Vision, well.. thats my favourite haha.
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I can see Paid In Full on top of any list. Arguing the greatest rap album of all time is a very hard thing to do, but Paid In Full is top 5 in any list. So being rank number one is no surprise.
De La Soul and Ready to Die, top three though... hum? I'd put Illmatic up there, along with Makaveli, The Diary and The Chronic. Too many great albums to choice from, including Criminal Minded and Low End Theory. Lets not forget AmeriKKKa'z Most Wanted, the only westcoast album to get a 5 mic review. It's a hard list to complete for sure.
Wha???????
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^^^ The only westcoast album that received a 5 mic review in The Source.
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didnt 2001 get a 5 mic review...ok, so that wasnt the original review but they gave it an honourary 5 mics in one of their special issues...
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I'n not gonna complain with this choice, it would definitely be up there in any competition for the best hiphop album ever. I was expecting them to put some Eminem shit at number 1 or something, so the top five was a pleasant suprise for me.
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If Ready to Die is in the top 3 then MMLP should be in the top 25. Impact means as much as quality.
impact = sales ??
And sales mean something, you think MJ's Thriller would make any lists if it only went 3 platinum? Also, the MMLP created a lot of contraversy and brought a lot of good attention to Rap. Well, better attention than MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice brought to it. MMLP was an MC at his finest, he played around with a lot of flows, and created a spectacilar peice of conceptual poetry with Stan. I don't know what makes anything by Biggie better than this. I've said it before, and I'll say it again; Chris Wallace was the most overrated MC in rap. He was good, even great, but he's way over praised. He very rarely expiremented, his flow and rhymes overshdowed his lyrical content. The guy basically retold gangster movies on wax. Where was the originality. I'm not saying Em is number one, or even close, but just because of Stan I place him above Biggie as far as being an artist goes.
yeah, Biggkie is overrated. Yeah, Eminem is a better MC than he was. And MMLP was a good album (his best IMO), but it was nothing classic or flawless, production was good, rapping was entertaining, but 17th best hiphop album ever? Hell naw...as good as Ready To Die? Neither
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
If Ready to Die is in the top 3 then MMLP should be in the top 25. Impact means as much as quality.
impact = sales ??
And sales mean something, you think MJ's Thriller would make any lists if it only went 3 platinum? Also, the MMLP created a lot of contraversy and brought a lot of good attention to Rap. Well, better attention than MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice brought to it. MMLP was an MC at his finest, he played around with a lot of flows, and created a spectacilar peice of conceptual poetry with Stan. I don't know what makes anything by Biggie better than this. I've said it before, and I'll say it again; Chris Wallace was the most overrated MC in rap. He was good, even great, but he's way over praised. He very rarely expiremented, his flow and rhymes overshdowed his lyrical content. The guy basically retold gangster movies on wax. Where was the originality. I'm not saying Em is number one, or even close, but just because of Stan I place him above Biggie as far as being an artist goes.
yeah, Biggkie is overrated. Yeah, Eminem is a better MC than he was. And MMLP was a good album (his best IMO), but it was nothing classic or flawless, production was good, rapping was entertaining, but 17th best hiphop album ever? Hell naw...as good as Ready To Die? Neither
Greatest and best aren't always the same thing. Thriller would make my top 20 Greatest Albums, but certainly not best. The MMLP single handedly created a new mega star in music. He was a hip hop artist and that album put him over the top. That is why I think it is on there. Personally I think just about every hip hop album sucks as far as albums go. For me to make a top 20 would be very difficult because I wouldn't know where to start.
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#25. Aceyalone - A Book of Human Language (1998)
#24. Dr. Octagon - Dr. Octagonecologyst (1996)
#23. Missy Elliot - Miss E ... So Addictive (2001)
#22. Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five - The Message (1982)
#21. Boogie Down Productions - By All Means Necessary (1988)
#20. Mos Def - Black on Both Sides (1999)
#19. The Pharcyde - Bizarre Ride II the Pharcyde (1992)
#18. Lauryn Hill - The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill (1998)
#17. Eminem - The Marshall Mathers LP (2000)
#16. LL Cool J - Mama Said Knock You Out (1990)
#15. Jay-Z - The Blueprint (2001)
#14. Ice Cube - Death Certificate (1991)
#13. Gang Starr - Daily Operation (1992)
#12. Cypress Hill - Cypress Hill (1991)
#11. OutKast - Aquemini (1998)
#10. Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique (1989)
#9. A Tribe Called Quest - The Low End Theory (1991)
#8. Nas - Illmatic (1994)
#7. Wu-Tang Clan - Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) (1993)
#6. Dr. Dre - The Chronic (1992)
#5. Run-DMC - Raising Hell (1986)
#4. Public Enemy - Fear of a Black Planet (1990)
#3. The Notorious B.I.G. - Ready to Die (1994)
#2. De La Soul - 3 Feet High and Rising (1988)
#1. Eric B. & Rakim - Paid in Full (1987)
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The top ten was respectable but the whole list sucks.
I assume that Public Enemy meant It Takes A Nation... not Fear Of A Black Planet. How could you leave that off?
Slick Rick? N.W.A?...those are top ten for sure.
This list just gets stupid at the end.
I guess I shouldn't expect much from Entertainment Weekly.
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no doggystyle? no 2pac albums? what a fucekn garbage list.