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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on November 21, 2004, 11:21:16 AM
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Vince going all to Blazers?
By BILL HARRIS, TORONTO SUN
ALL IT took was a four-game losing streak by the Raptors and some awkward play from Vince Carter to get the rumour mill running loudly again. Carter, who demanded a trade before the season began, yesterday was at the heart of a serious multi-player rumour involving the Raptors and the Portland Trail Blazers.
According to sources, the two teams have discussed several possible combinations for a blockbuster swap that would see Carter head west, possibly with Jalen Rose and maybe even a couple of other players.
Coming back would be Shareef Abdur-Rahim, along with a couple of teammates that might include Nick Van Exel, Derek Anderson and Vladimir Stepania.
The most talked-about versions of the deal were Carter and Rose for Abdur-Rahim and either Van Exel or Anderson; and Carter, Rose and possibly another player for Abdur-Rahim, Anderson and Vladimir Stepania. Depending upon the ballast, a variety of similar scenarios could be made to fall within the salary-matching guidelines that are crucial to any NBA transaction.
INTO THE NIGHT
However, if things bog down, the most simple deal to make would be Carter for Abdur-Rahim.
According to sources, the machinations were continuing late last night, with the Blazers essentially waiting for the Raptors to decide if they want to proceed.
Meanwhile, the Blazers obviously quietly were looking for some sort of assurance from Carter that he won't balk at the deal, since his representatives indicated in the past that he is not keen on a move to the Western Conference.
However, there's a good chance Carter will be willing to go west this time, if it comes down to it.
New Raptors coach Sam Mitchell has not been shy about benching Carter at crucial junctures. The team isn't running many plays for him and he largely has been ineffective at the defensive end.
"I don't make comments on trade talks," said Raptors general manager Rob Babcock, adopting the same mantra as his predecessor, Glen Grunwald. "You'll have to figure this one out for yourself."
That certainly falls far short of confirmation, but Babcock also did nothing to throw cold water on the rumour, which first was reported by a Portland radio station. Blazers GM John Nash also declined to comment on specifics.
As word of the rumour spread around the league, there also were rumblings that some other teams might be interested in at least talking to the Raptors about Carter before Toronto decides to ship him elsewhere.
Looking at the potential swap simply as a talent-for-talent endeavour, it might appear the Raptors would be coming out on the short end. However, the advantage of acquiring Abdur-Rahim and Anderson would be that both players are in the final years of their contracts, which would aid the Raptors' salary-cap situation next summer.
Keep in mind, however, the Raptors currently are well over the cap, and there aren't scheduled to be many marquee free agents in 2005.
If the Raptors made the deal, they would have to sell it to their fans that they're going to rebuild around Chris Bosh, who many believe is a franchise player-in-waiting.
From the Blazers' perspective, they don't want to keep Abdur-Rahim beyond this season, but they don't necessarily want to lose him for nothing, either. What's more, the Blazers have been struggling a little at the gate, and Carter might provide a bump in that regard, at least in the short term.
Damn...I honestly think that would be a good trade for both teams...Carter isn't doing shit in Toronto and Portland wants more time for Darius Miles at the 3 spot...Hope it goes down.
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theres already a thread on it
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Damn...I barely have time to post here anymore, so I don't see most of the shit ...Someone delete this.
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Am I the only one who thinks Shareef isnt shit compared to Vince?
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Am I the only one who thinks Shareef isnt shit compared to Vince?
Yes.
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Am I the only one who thinks Shareef isnt shit compared to Vince?
vince has been horrible so far this year......
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Am I the only one who thinks Shareef isnt shit compared to Vince?
vince has been horrible so far this year......
well he's been injured + frustrated, what do you expect.. back in the day when he was fit he was a fucking Icon.. and what the FUCK did shareef ever achieve in his fucking career? was he in the playoffs, like once? lol..
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Am I the only one who thinks Shareef isnt shit compared to Vince?
vince has been horrible so far this year......
well he's been injured + frustrated, what do you expect.. back in the day when he was fit he was a fucking Icon.. and what the FUCK did shareef ever achieve in his fucking career? was he in the playoffs, like once? lol..
SHareef was drafted by the Vancouver grizzlies...so fuck you! >:(
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Am I the only one who thinks Shareef isnt shit compared to Vince?
vince has been horrible so far this year......
well he's been injured + frustrated, what do you expect.. back in the day when he was fit he was a fucking Icon.. and what the FUCK did shareef ever achieve in his fucking career? was he in the playoffs, like once? lol..
You are right, Shareef is a born loser, he has the higest losing % in NBA history, plus he always disapears in the 4th quarters... BUT it's a good trade for the raps due to salary reasons. Also the raptors need to trade Vince NOW, his stock has fallen SO much id hate to see where it's at in a few more games, raptors came back from a 19 point 4th quarter deficet to beat San Antonio today, and Vince didn't play a second of that quarter(he had 4 points all game on like 2-9 shooting), lol I think they proved they don't need WINCE Carter anymore, TRADE HIM!, but not for reef, try to get one of these other possible deals involving Baron Davis or Eddie Jones...
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Am I the only one who thinks Shareef isnt shit compared to Vince?
vince has been horrible so far this year......
well he's been injured + frustrated, what do you expect.. back in the day when he was fit he was a fucking Icon.. and what the FUCK did shareef ever achieve in his fucking career? was he in the playoffs, like once? lol..
and what did vince achieve during the career. 3 playoff appearances in 9 seasons an never making it past the 2nd round. Quite possibly the most overatted players in NBA history. He is a product of Nike. He looked like jordan an could dunk the ball. A average defender that career average for points per game is 23-24 points. I would hardly call that a icon.
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9 seasons? vince hasn't been around that long
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9 seasons? vince hasn't been around that long
my mistake, 7 season. Either way his track record isnt very impressive.
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Dudes I never claimed Vince is like Kobe or LeBron, but hey.. he definitely was a Icon, his awesome and unique dunking skills didnt hurt of course.
An Icon isnt made off pure skill. He entertained. People liked watching him. He always got most of the All-Star votes, probably most posters printed and what not.
I mean what has Jordan achieved before Bulls started to win 6 in a row? Ha? He had like 37 ppg, yet his team never won the title at first. However, he was already an Icon.
Plus no matter how bad Vince's achievements and stats might be, say all you want, they are still better than fucking Shareef's LOL... I mean.. PLEASE...
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^^Dude, you're fuckin' trippin'...The trade is pretty even and would be good for BOTH teams involved.
Vince Carter- Shareef Abdur-Rahim-
PPG: 15.4 PPG: 14.9
RPG: 4.0 RPG: 7.0
APG: 3.3 APG: 1.0
SPG: 1.33 SPG: 1.00
BPG: .83 BPG: .50
FG%: .396 FG%: .519
FT%: .634 FT%: .900
3P%: .297 3P%: .750
MPG: 30.9 MPG: 32.5
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^^Dude, you're fuckin' trippin'...The trade is pretty even and would be good for BOTH teams involved.
Vince Carter- Shareef Abdur-Rahim-
PPG: 15.4 PPG: 14.9
RPG: 4.0 RPG: 7.0
APG: 3.3 APG: 1.0
SPG: 1.33 SPG: 1.00
BPG: .83 BPG: .50
FG%: .396 FG%: .519
FT%: .634 FT%: .900
3P%: .297 3P%: .750
MPG: 30.9 MPG: 32.5
lol we both know carter is nothing compared to what he was before he was injured.. and I dont see why he wont reach that level again... maybe not exactly that level, but hey.
this season is a disgrace to his former career, yet shareef never was a top player.
the trade is clearly better for portland, cause miles can start now.
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Shareef was never a top player? Damn man, look at his career statistics...They're on the same level as Carter's...Shareef just never got the shine Carter had, because Carter was all fancy, and at one point, a high flying act...That doesn't make him a better player, and honestly, I would take Shareef over Carter any day...PeACe
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Shareef was never a top player? Damn man, look at his career statistics...They're on the same level as Carter's...Shareef just never got the shine Carter had, because Carter was all fancy, and at one point, a high flying act...That doesn't make him a better player, and honestly, I would take Shareef over Carter any day...PeACe
ok well opinions are just different, I personally hope this trade goes down, the blazers will have an interesting team with zach, darius and vince in the starting 5, that sounds competitive.
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Shareef was never a top player? Damn man, look at his career statistics...They're on the same level as Carter's...Shareef just never got the shine Carter had, because Carter was all fancy, and at one point, a high flying act...That doesn't make him a better player, and honestly, I would take Shareef over Carter any day...PeACe
LOL. dude, please don't compare these 2 it's not even much of a question, career wise Vince OWNES Shareef and not just numbers but the fact that Vince has won countless games with either a last shot or insipred late game play. as for Reef? lol biatch please, total loser who's hiding under the bench when the fourth quarter rolls around...
The only advangtage id give Reef is that he's got an NBA body, (while Carter's pretty much weak as fuck) and the obvious fact that he'll get you ALOT more boards compared to Vince, Besides that though, give me Vince anyday...
Peace..
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Shareef was never a top player? Damn man, look at his career statistics...They're on the same level as Carter's...Shareef just never got the shine Carter had, because Carter was all fancy, and at one point, a high flying act...That doesn't make him a better player, and honestly, I would take Shareef over Carter any day...PeACe
LOL. dude, please don't compare these 2 it's not even much of a question, career wise Vince OWNES Shareef and not just numbers but the fact that Vince has won countless games with either a last shot or insipred late game play. as for Reef? lol biatch please, total loser who's hiding under the bench when the fourth quarter rolls around...
The only advangtage id give Reef is that he's got an NBA body, (while Carter's pretty much weak as fuck) and the obvious fact that he'll get you ALOT more boards compared to Vince, Besides that though, give me Vince anyday...
Peace..
Why should I not compare these 2? Vince might have more talent and skill, but Shareef is a far smarter and stronger player...Like I said, I'd take Shareef over Vince any day...PeACe