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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: pappy on November 21, 2004, 02:28:17 PM
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The man was simply defending himself after being assaulted by a fan. Why shouldnt he defend himself.. b/c he makes more money than us. In the heat of the moment how are you supposed to know what your getting hit with. Especially when its a full of beer. Thats bull shit. But than again i understand where you are all coming from, 90% of the dubcc is white, an 90% of white people are complete pussies and dont know the first thing about defending yourself. You dont understand the first thing about watching your friends back in a situation like that. So hes the bad guy for defending himself b/c he makes more money than us. Fuck that, hes a man first tho, and has to defend himself, but with you all being white, most of you dont know the first thing about defending yourself or your friends.
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it's about the reputation of the NBA for the most part.. the NBA wants to be considered as some spectacular, yet serious league.
the last thing the NBA wants is to be considered as a playground for immature apes who are about to snap every minute and attack fans by using sidekicks.
as for civil right related issues.. "retaliation" won't really help you in court, in fact, it will only make matters worse for you. he didnt defend himself, he retaliated. that's a big difference.
I for my part would never behave like Young Buck or Ron Artest, I am white. And if Ron and Buck would have behaved a little whiter (just to dumb down to your posting-style) they wouldnt be in jail soon/suspended & fined.
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Thats one way to look at it.
The other side of it is:
These fans pay to come and see these players play week in week out. Sure 1 in ever 100 of them are probably asshole and would do anything to get a reaction out of a player, but in NO circumstances what so ever should a PROFESSIONAL player retaliate. I know if somebody threw beer at me I'd be pissed but I certainly wouldn't go loosing my head and go and try to find the fan who did it...he was just stupid thats all really. He lost his head.
It aint even about being black or what, your just being stupid there. It could of easily of been a white player attacking a black fan, lets not even get started on the whole race shit because it has nothing to do with this argument. The fact is, instead of the dude just walking away and letting the security guards find the man and eject him from the arena he went after him like a mad man and started a riot. He basically didn't want it with the other player on the other team so when 'weaker' fan did something to him, he decided he would release his anger on him instead.
Hes a professional player, and obviously an idiot.
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LMAO...Yea, Ron Artest is a genius...That was very professional of him. I can't wait to hear his rap CD, it's probably gunna be a profound, mind blowing album...Not only that, but he also got the right fan; a little white kid with glasses who looked no older than 14. ::)
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no wonder every other race looks at white like where pussies... b/c we are. So your telling me you would let some1 even throw beer in your face an wouldnt defend yourself. he didnt go after big ben b/c ron has a rep for being a bad boy, he tried staying out of trouble. But one man can only take so much. He had a fan attack him. And if you call him a pussy for not going after big ben, what about the fan that was on the court. He was shorter than ron, but he was built like a brick shit house. if ron was a pussy why would he attack him. And it is a race thing, b/c most people that are against ron actions from what i have seen are well to do white people from the suburbs that dont know the first thing about defending themselves.
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The man was simply defending himself after being assaulted by a fan.
lmao, he wasnt assaulted, there was no threat on his well being at all. he got hit with a fucking plastic cup.
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The man was simply defending himself after being assaulted by a fan.
lmao, he wasnt assaulted, there was no threat on his well being at all. he got hit with a fucking plastic cup.
Exactly. He should of laughed, and thought about his 50,000$ a game he gets or whatever. Its not like he had been socked in the face or anything, a cup of fucking beer hit him. No biggie.
Has anybody got the video to the scrap that happened on court????
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lol Tom. He didn't even get the right guy. The dude in the hat and wallace shirt next to the dude was the one that threw the cup. If Ron were the bad ass you are making him out to be, he would have stepped to Wallace, who wronged him much more in my opinion, than a cup of ice. I understand human emotion, and I can't say that I would not have confronted the fan.. but I sure as fuck would at least make sure I had the right guy. Ron fucked up. He's unstable. He ruined the Pacers best chance ever at a title, and Reggies last season. Fuck Ron.
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also take what i say with a grain of salt b/c im not going to lie to you, im really not all there in the head.
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no wonder every other race looks at white like where pussies... b/c we are. So your telling me you would let some1 even throw beer in your face an wouldnt defend yourself. he didnt go after big ben b/c ron has a rep for being a bad boy, he tried staying out of trouble. But one man can only take so much. He had a fan attack him. And if you call him a pussy for not going after big ben, what about the fan that was on the court. He was shorter than ron, but he was built like a brick shit house. if ron was a pussy why would he attack him. And it is a race thing, b/c most people that are against ron actions from what i have seen are well to do white people from the suburbs that dont know the first thing about defending themselves.
you have to draw a line between "the Streets" and a fucking NBA-Game.
it's a difference if some asshole in real life throws a cup of beer at you (in a club or somewhere..) or if some fan throws it at you during a fucking NBA-Game when you're supposed to be on court playing basketball
btw Fans do stupid shit. Maybe it's no common thing in the NBA, but in european soccer matches fans throw stupid shit on court all the fucking time lol. Ask Seer, he knows what English Hooligans are all about :D
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do we live in england? thats why if you were to make gorilla noises in america youd get the shit beat out of you by a man that doesnt take shit like that..
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If Artest would have walked away after being punched numerous time in the back of his head, then walk away after some fan goes up to you with his weak boxing stance...artest would be known through out the world as the biggest pussy of all time. And in those two situations he is in danger.
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do we live in england? thats why if you were to make gorilla noises in america youd get the shit beat out of you by a man that doesnt take shit like that..
Most likely NOT, because in Football the fans are 10-30.000 and the player is one. :D
Not to mention better security to avoid shit like that.
At least after this incident:
(http://www.uit.no/mancity/pictures/cantona2.jpg)
;D
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He wasnt really defending himself. Some fan threw something at him (a beer i think), and he ran up and clocked him.
Artest was 3 times his size(strength). He couldve handled it better, BUT
That was amazing, and i enjoyed watching it.
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He wasnt really defending himself. Some fan threw something at him (a beer i think), and he ran up and clocked him.
and didnt even clock the right one at that.
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He didnt hit that guy... he yelled 'WAS IT YOU? WAS IT YOU?' thats why you dont see him hit that guy, he was making sure it was the right guy...
once the fat kid walked on the court, he's not a fan, he becomes a threat. Imagine if he had a knife? Artest acted like a human.
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do we live in england? thats why if you were to make gorilla noises in america youd get the shit beat out of you by a man that doesnt take shit like that..
Most likely NOT, because in Football the fans are 10-30.000 and the player is one. :D
Not to mention better security to avoid shit like that.
At least after this incident:
(http://www.uit.no/mancity/pictures/cantona2.jpg)
;D
LOL! that guy getting jump kicked by cleats. thats gotta fuckin hurt.
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if i was Artest, i woulda done the same thing
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Shows how dumb some people are...You woulda' done the same thing? Look where it woulda' landed you...1 year suspension.
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taking it out of the NBA, would it be okay for him to retalliate if it was on the street, or in a cinema?
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taking it out of the NBA, would it be okay for him to retalliate if it was on the street, or in a cinema?
That's a total different story. if some random asshole throws a cup of beer at someone in the cinema intentionally for nothing at all, I wont give him a weird look when he slaps the dude.
You can't take a crowd of fans as "assholes" you ought to handle, cause they are fucking FANS. And Fans do stupid shit, I know what Im talking about.
The Goalkeeper of my football team, Oliver Kahn, for instance.. people always throw bananas at him. Still, no way he'd run up there all of a sudden and punch them dude, although he got some remarkable temper for a blond dude..
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i dont think being a fan is any excuse. the fans should still respect the players @ the end of the day, if they do shit to provoke them then they deserve to suffer the consequences. if that's the ass beating of a lifetime, so be it. if i threw shit @ a player, i wouldn't doubt that they'd give me a beating, which is why i dont do it
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i dont think being a fan is any excuse. the fans should still respect the players @ the end of the day, if they do shit to provoke them then they deserve to suffer the consequences. if that's the ass beating of a lifetime, so be it. if i threw shit @ a player, i wouldn't doubt that they'd give me a beating, which is why i dont do it
It's not about to argue whether the fan should be banned from the place or not, it's about that an NBA Player is NOT supposed to smack fans.
The suspensions are absolutely justified, the NBA isnt Ice-Hockey or American Football, it's about manners. That's why there are technical fouls and rules.
I agree being banned for over 70 games is some hardcore ban, 35 or so would've been enough, but maybe they also shorten the ban some time like somebody else mentioned.
And Ben shouldnt be banned for 10 games, he did some shit that just happens. Peeler did some harder shit towards Garnett by far, even without being fouled in advance. Was he banned for 10 games? So Wallace should be banned for 10 games, just because Artest totally snapped after it? That's not Wallace's business.
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Ron had the right to go after that fan but that fan should not have been acting like an asshole which got him what it got him: an ass-whooping
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FREE ARTEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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i like basketball and all but if you think about it it really is a pussy sport. I mean they call a foul for the pussiest shit i cant beleive it.
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id probably done the same if i was artest, FREE RON ARTEST, whole season is way too big penalty. :-\
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When you sign on to the NBA, you leave certain things at the door. I'll use an Analogy.
If you were say, one of those guards that stands in front of Buckingham palace; and someone walked up and started yelling at you, right in your face....... you might not do anything, because part of the job is that you are to stand at guard and silent. If you were in a restaurant, however, you'd probably beat the guy's ass.
So, in the NBA, while anywhere else, you might fight somebody for throwing a beer at you... in the NBA, you're not in control of the situation... you no longer have the power to protect yourself, in the first place, because you've got thousands of people mad at you right now. The only way this works is that we as intelligent human beings recognize that in this situation, you *CANNOT* fight these people when they piss you off. If it was 1 on 1 on a street, you could fight the guy. In a basketball arena, with paying fans, and coaches, and teams, and games at stake, fortunes at stake, t.v. cameras rolling, you simply cannot act the same way you would on the street.
Bottom Line: Artest was wrong.
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all i know is that if artest hit me and i wasn't the one who threw the cup, i'd sue the piss out of him. ;)