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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Drudge on November 23, 2004, 10:45:47 AM
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To some extent Tupac was overrated. However, he was still a good lyricist. and before we all start stone throwing at the guy, remember it top 5 overrated rappers not that they couldn't rap.
In my opinion even though I love snoop dog and its hard to imagine hiphop without him, as a lyricist he's declined. Having money doesn't make you hungry anymore. Certainly I remember people wanting to almost spit in my face when I tried to tell them Ras Kass, Chino XL, and even early Eminem was better than most of Tupacs lyrics. I disagree about Jay z even though he's commercial he's still got some smooth lyrics.
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both are indeed overrated
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Both are very overrated, Pac moreso though IMO.
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I could never say Pac was overrated. He was the best all round package in the history of rap music. His lyrics were more poetic than most and just as good as any of the other best rappers. His delivery was so versatile. He knew what type of emotion the song required, and he knew how to display that emotion better than anybody. He could do angry, sad, excited, cocky, and serious. Kind of like Elvis in that regard, if he were to touch a song everybody else better leave it alone. I think of Nas's "Dance" from God's Son, and can only imagine how much better it would have sounded if Pac recorded it. His flow was musical and fluid all the time. He may have been hypocritical or acted stupid sometimes but that shouldn't affect his merit as an artist. We aren't judging Tupac the human being, we are judging Tupac the artist. I'll never understand what people mean when they say he wasn't good lyrically. I'd compare some of his best work to early Springsteen lyrics, well above 90% of hip hop 90% of the time, and never below it.
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2Pac deserves to be at number 1 in the list...
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2pac aint over-rated, all you gotta do is listne to Strictly 4 my niggaz, and you see he was fo real.
Jay-z on the othe rhand, i don't see what's so special about the dude, he has some tight songs. one album i can actually listen to over and over agian (the black album), and thats it.
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i would'nt put snoop or jay-z to top5.. i dont know but i have this feeling that nas has been loosing his touch after stillmatic, dunno then. pac probably is top5, doesn't mean he can't rap... 50cent pretty much yeah.. i can't think any other atm.. but not snoop or jay.
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Overrated rappers are usually the ones who are done, but they still keep going and people buy their albums
thinking they will make a comeback.
Eminem? ???
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i would'nt put snoop or jay-z to top5.. i dont know but i have this feeling that nas has been loosing his touch after stillmatic, dunno then. pac probably is top5, doesn't mean he can't rap... 50cent pretty much yeah.. i can't think any other atm.. but not snoop or jay.
Did you just say you put 50 Cent in the top 5?
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In one word : Yeas
Why : Becouse they dont sound good enough to be the best ever in my ears
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fuck i gotta reply one more time after reading that whole thing, man that guy has issues, he is the worst nas dickrider, no bad word about him, like he has no bad albums, guy is thinkin that he is god's son ::) plus then that writer said canibus is best battle rapper? :'( makes me so sad...and that takeover was flop :'(
fuck that whole review,imo.
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i would'nt put snoop or jay-z to top5.. i dont know but i have this feeling that nas has been loosing his touch after stillmatic, dunno then. pac probably is top5, doesn't mean he can't rap... 50cent pretty much yeah.. i can't think any other atm.. but not snoop or jay.
Did you just say you put 50 Cent in the top 5?
yeah, altho i like his music, grodt was great album, i dont deny he isnt anywhere near nas,jay,em etc. if ur comment was sarcasm, that pretty much answered, right? if it wasnt, then yeah i did, :P
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jay-z isnt overrated at all.
lyricist? great
wordplay? one of the best to ever do it. name me one song where jay doesnt have at least 2 or 3 hot lines
flow? one of the best ever. only people who come to mind above him are treach and biggie, possibly percee p and masta ace. he innovated with the black album. plenty of people trying to use his flows...lil wayne being the most obvious
mic presence? good
delivery? good
discography? very good, and consistent. reasonable doubt? one of the most lyrical albums ever. everytime you listen to that album you can find find a new double/triple meaning in it. the multis on that album were crazy. blueprint is a classic. every other one of his albums is a 3.5 or above, except vol 2, which was trash.
storytelling? good
he can appeal to the underground, while selling tons of records
he can freestyle out the ass
whether people want to admit it or not, jay>big
2pac is overrated in the sense that people think he is god. alot of people think he is goat, i say maybe top 20.
lyricist? average.
flow? it was ok. he rarely ever switched it up, and when he did, it wasnt good.
wordplay? never really used it. when he did? average.
mic presence? one of the best ever. hes up there with cube and krs. when he got on the mic, you knew exactly who it was. people say cube sounded angry? 2pac sounded like he was about to shoot shit up in the studio
delivery? above average.
discography? this is where 2pac shined. one undeniable classic, me against the world, 2 so called classics in makaveli and all eyez on me. has one dope group album with thuglife. strictly 4 my niggaz was a 3.5-4 mic album. 2pacalypse now wasnt that good of a debut, but certainly not the worst. i think hes the only rapper where every album he released, it got better. i believe this category is why some people consider him goat.
ok freestyler, nothing to brag about
storytelling? only actual storytelling track i remember he ever doing was tear drops and closed caskets. cant really rate off one song
hes the most improved lyrical rapper from the begining of his career to the end. nursery rhymes to very good in makaveli.
snoop dogg is the most overrated rapper of all time imo
kurupt killed him every time he got on the mic(much like he did 2pac 2 or 3 times)
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I could never say Pac was overrated. He was the best all round package in the history of rap music. His lyrics were more poetic than most and just as good as any of the other best rappers. His delivery was so versatile. He knew what type of emotion the song required, and he knew how to display that emotion better than anybody. He could do angry, sad, excited, cocky, and serious. Kind of like Elvis in that regard, if he were to touch a song everybody else better leave it alone. I think of Nas's "Dance" from God's Son, and can only imagine how much better it would have sounded if Pac recorded it. His flow was musical and fluid all the time. He may have been hypocritical or acted stupid sometimes but that shouldn't affect his merit as an artist. We aren't judging Tupac the human being, we are judging Tupac the artist. I'll never understand what people mean when they say he wasn't good lyrically. I'd compare some of his best work to early Springsteen lyrics, well above 90% of hip hop 90% of the time, and never below it.
I agree. 2pac = rap Bob Marley, the rap Marvin Gaye.
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Forget about Pac and BIG being overrated, that goes to Snoop, dude has fell off lyrically.
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i would'nt put snoop or jay-z to top5.. i dont know but i have this feeling that nas has been loosing his touch after stillmatic, dunno then. pac probably is top5, doesn't mean he can't rap... 50cent pretty much yeah.. i can't think any other atm.. but not snoop or jay.
Did you just say you put 50 Cent in the top 5?
yeah, altho i like his music, grodt was great album, i dont deny he isnt anywhere near nas,jay,em etc. if ur comment was sarcasm, that pretty much answered, right? if it wasnt, then yeah i did, :P
I wasn't being sarcastic, I just couldn't believe that someone thinks their are only 4 rappers better than 50.
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Pac is the best rapper because hes real. He probably wasnt the best lyricst but was the best "Rap Artist" as a whole.
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storytelling? only actual storytelling track i remember he ever doing was tear drops and closed caskets. cant really rate off one song
hes the most improved lyrical rapper from the begining of his career to the end. nursery rhymes to very good in makaveli.
"Brenda's Got A Baby" was a story. One of the best one's I heard in rap.
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storytelling? only actual storytelling track i remember he ever doing was tear drops and closed caskets. cant really rate off one song
hes the most improved lyrical rapper from the begining of his career to the end. nursery rhymes to very good in makaveli.
"Brenda's Got A Baby" was a story. One of the best one's I heard in rap.
good point. i forgot about alot of them, like trapped(should this even be counted, since he didnt write it?), shorty wanna be a thug, wonda why they call you bitch, open fire, etc
i havent listened to a 2pac album in years.
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I can name a shitload of mc`s with better flow , lyrics , use of voice than 2pac .. But 2pac was a attention drawer , and had charisma , that I`ll give him . But greatest of all time ? Please ...
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storytelling? only actual storytelling track i remember he ever doing was tear drops and closed caskets. cant really rate off one song
hes the most improved lyrical rapper from the begining of his career to the end. nursery rhymes to very good in makaveli.
"Brenda's Got A Baby" was a story. One of the best one's I heard in rap.
good point. i forgot about alot of them, like trapped(should this even be counted, since he didnt write it?), shorty wanna be a thug, wonda why they call you bitch, open fire, etc
i havent listened to a 2pac album in years.
who wrote Trapped?
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who wrote Trapped?
Shock G?
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shock g said that ray luv wrote trapped, and 2pac recorded it because he was in jail.
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jay-z isnt overrated at all.
lyricist? great
wordplay? one of the best to ever do it. name me one song where jay doesnt have at least 2 or 3 hot lines
flow? one of the best ever. only people who come to mind above him are treach and biggie, possibly percee p and masta ace. he innovated with the black album. plenty of people trying to use his flows...lil wayne being the most obvious
mic presence? good
delivery? good
discography? very good, and consistent. reasonable doubt? one of the most lyrical albums ever. everytime you listen to that album you can find find a new double/triple meaning in it. the multis on that album were crazy. blueprint is a classic. every other one of his albums is a 3.5 or above, except vol 2, which was trash.
storytelling? good
he can appeal to the underground, while selling tons of records
he can freestyle out the ass
whether people want to admit it or not, jay>big
2pac is overrated in the sense that people think he is god. alot of people think he is goat, i say maybe top 20.
lyricist? average.
flow? it was ok. he rarely ever switched it up, and when he did, it wasnt good.
wordplay? never really used it. when he did? average.
mic presence? one of the best ever. hes up there with cube and krs. when he got on the mic, you knew exactly who it was. people say cube sounded angry? 2pac sounded like he was about to shoot shit up in the studio
delivery? above average.
discography? this is where 2pac shined. one undeniable classic, me against the world, 2 so called classics in makaveli and all eyez on me. has one dope group album with thuglife. strictly 4 my niggaz was a 3.5-4 mic album. 2pacalypse now wasnt that good of a debut, but certainly not the worst. i think hes the only rapper where every album he released, it got better. i believe this category is why some people consider him goat.
ok freestyler, nothing to brag about
storytelling? only actual storytelling track i remember he ever doing was tear drops and closed caskets. cant really rate off one song
hes the most improved lyrical rapper from the begining of his career to the end. nursery rhymes to very good in makaveli.
snoop dogg is the most overrated rapper of all time imo
kurupt killed him every time he got on the mic(much like he did 2pac 2 or 3 times)
i pretty much agree with everything u said...
Jay-Z>BIG>2Pac imo...
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I don't consider 'Pac overrated. The thing with 'Pac was that not one thing ever stood out with him, but his message. But in ever catagory, his top 5 in each.
Flow/Delivery - Snoop, Biggie, they may have had a better flow, but 'Pac's flow was more strong, he spit his heart in each word he said. I can't think of a song 'Pac did that I didn't think, man 'Pac ripped that shit. His whole Makaveli CD might have been his best flow, but Strickly For My N.I.G.G.A.Z. had his flow on point as well.
Storytelling - Brenda's Gotta Baby, Part Time Mutha, Wonder Why They Call You Bitch, Me and My Girlfriend, the man was one of the best storytellers ever. Slick Rick and Ice Cube maybe better, but 'Pac could tell a story with the best of them.
Message - Ok, his message was the deepest of any rapper, no arguments there.
Word Play - Listen to Bomb First (My Second Reply), in fact, half of Makaveli, and half of All Eyez On Me. His Death Row stuff was full of great word play. He released his best word play alive, so now we are in his unrelease music, it's not as good as the stuff he made to be put out. Will never be mistaken for Rakim, or Nas, but he can hold his own.
Discography - IMO, the best ever. Me Against the World is classic, so is Makaveli. All Eyez On Me is considered a classic by most, Stricky For My N.I.G.G.A.Z. is a very good album, 2Pacolypes is very nice, Thug Life, all of his CDs well he was alive are great, and R U Still Down and 2Pac + The Outlawz were both great CDs that had very little remixing.
Everything put together is a nice package. I think his the best that ever did it, because he wasn't weak in any one area, even though he was not the best. Like in football, just because you have Mike Vick, don't not mean you'll win the Super Bowl, the whole team has to be good. The greatest rapper of all time, hands down. Others come close, but his discography, his message, and his storytelling pull him above everyone else.
Jay-Z, Nas is the best rapper alive, not Jay-Z, do he overrates himself. I don't think his in the top 5 overrated though, because he an be argued best rapper alive.
top 5 overrated to me.
5. LL Cool J, great career, but is not the GOAT. Sorry.
4. Snoop Dogg - listen to Doggystlye, listen to the lyrics, they are not as good as people think. Yes Snoop is the king of the west, but he ain't dropped a classic verse since Chronic. Influnce, yes, real skills, no.
3. Eminem - I hate to say it, but his old shit was raw, but ever since the Sim Shady EP, his used gimmicks, not his skill to attract attention. And he has skill for days, but rearly allows it to show.
2. Slug - OK, I know heads love this man, but I can't stand him or Atmosphere. They rap about nothing, and their skills are wasted on so very strange rap.
1. Canibus - can't drop an album to match his never meet potential
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jay-z is the most overrated rapper alive. hes decent and thats it.
lyricist? Decent
wordplay? one of the best to ever do it? lol not even close
flow? one of the best ever. only people who come to mind above him are treach and biggie...HAHA not even one of the best ever, his flow is what makes him average and a lot of times below. all his old albums are boring with the exceptiopn or RD n BP, and his flow is boring. he sounds the same EVERY song, he cant flow fast, slow, he barely changes it up. and his flow on a lot of songs cant even ride the beat right. 2pac biggie and treach masta ace all ride the beat better than him and have voices and flow i can tolerate.
mic presence? lil above average, went to the Hard knock life tour or whatever couple years back w/ dmx. not bad
delivery? HORRIBLE, voice is the same every song, as i said above, u ppl think hes a god when he isnt anything. cant even ride beats..
discography? consistant i agree, reasonable doubt, blue print are his only two above average albums. black album is wayyy overrated. why uthink u can put his vocals over beatles beat like the grey album did? because he doesnt speed up, slow it up, or change the delivery at all. just stays the same boring flow.
storytelling? average
im an underground head with alot of backpackers as well, all of us agree he has got to be the most overrated.
he can freestyle lil above average, i rather listen to that shit than a lot of his songs.
whether people want to admit it or not, pac>big>em>nas>SLUG>fuckin tons of others>jayz & snoop.... both OVERRATED, enuff said
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2pac, snoop dogg, and 50 cent are the most overrated rappers....
2pac because people worship him like he is some sort of a god....he was good but he wasnt the goat
snoop because....well he's wack
and 50 cent because....well he's wack (though i do like his music....lyrically he is nothing special)
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I don't consider 'Pac overrated. The thing with 'Pac was that not one thing ever stood out with him, but his message. But in ever catagory, his top 5 in each.
Flow/Delivery - Snoop, Biggie, they may have had a better flow, but 'Pac's flow was more strong, he spit his heart in each word he said. I can't think of a song 'Pac did that I didn't think, man 'Pac ripped that shit. His whole Makaveli CD might have been his best flow, but Strickly For My N.I.G.G.A.Z. had his flow on point as well.
Storytelling - Brenda's Gotta Baby, Part Time Mutha, Wonder Why They Call You Bitch, Me and My Girlfriend, the man was one of the best storytellers ever. Slick Rick and Ice Cube maybe better, but 'Pac could tell a story with the best of them.
Message - Ok, his message was the deepest of any rapper, no arguments there.
Word Play - Listen to Bomb First (My Second Reply), in fact, half of Makaveli, and half of All Eyez On Me. His Death Row stuff was full of great word play. He released his best word play alive, so now we are in his unrelease music, it's not as good as the stuff he made to be put out. Will never be mistaken for Rakim, or Nas, but he can hold his own.
Discography - IMO, the best ever. Me Against the World is classic, so is Makaveli. All Eyez On Me is considered a classic by most, Stricky For My N.I.G.G.A.Z. is a very good album, 2Pacolypes is very nice, Thug Life, all of his CDs well he was alive are great, and R U Still Down and 2Pac + The Outlawz were both great CDs that had very little remixing.
Everything put together is a nice package. I think his the best that ever did it, because he wasn't weak in any one area, even though he was not the best. Like in football, just because you have Mike Vick, don't not mean you'll win the Super Bowl, the whole team has to be good. The greatest rapper of all time, hands down. Others come close, but his discography, his message, and his storytelling pull him above everyone else.
Jay-Z, Nas is the best rapper alive, not Jay-Z, do he overrates himself. I don't think his in the top 5 overrated though, because he an be argued best rapper alive.
top 5 overrated to me.
5. LL Cool J, great career, but is not the GOAT. Sorry.
4. Snoop Dogg - listen to Doggystlye, listen to the lyrics, they are not as good as people think. Yes Snoop is the king of the west, but he ain't dropped a classic verse since Chronic. Influnce, yes, real skills, no.
3. Eminem - I hate to say it, but his old shit was raw, but ever since the Sim Shady EP, his used gimmicks, not his skill to attract attention. And he has skill for days, but rearly allows it to show.
2. Slug - OK, I know heads love this man, but I can't stand him or Atmosphere. They rap about nothing, and their skills are wasted on so very strange rap.
1. Canibus - can't drop an album to match his never meet potential
Jay-Z, Nas is the best rapper alive, not Jay-Z, do he overrates himself. I don't think his in the top 5 overrated though, because he an be argued best rapper alive.
Nas maybe one of the best Mc's but BIG L and Chino XL are better.
Big L raps
Yo, I'm straight loco, to hell with you and your broke hoe
You ain't a big dog, you more like Toto, you got no dough
I smoke 'dro mixed with cocoa, strong as bolo
I pack a fo'-fo', platinum ro-ro
Anti-homo, that's a no-no so @#%$ po'-po'
I push the seven-fo'-oh and not the Volvo
C-Town push the six-oh-oh, I'm with a bitch on dolo
Chips from here to Acapulco
- Big L "Platinum Plus"
Battles I lose none I make crews run
I get fools done, got ten fingers but only use one
My run is like Machine Gun Kelly, with a black skully
Put one in your belly, leave you smelly, then take your Pelle Pelle
I'm the neighborhood lampor, punani vamper, mess around you'll find
My silkboxers in your mommy's hamper
And nowadays girls want you for your money
I'm like Hev, I got nothing but love for you honey
And yes I'm living slick and my pockets are thick
I need surgery to get chicks removed from my (chill)
I'm coming straight out the N.Y.C., raps my J.O.B., and I'm M.V.P.
Big L - "MVP"
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jay-z is the most overrated rapper alive. hes decent and thats it.
lyricist? Decent
wordplay? one of the best to ever do it? lol not even close
flow? one of the best ever. only people who come to mind above him are treach and biggie...HAHA not even one of the best ever, his flow is what makes him average and a lot of times below. all his old albums are boring with the exceptiopn or RD n BP, and his flow is boring. he sounds the same EVERY song, he cant flow fast, slow, he barely changes it up. and his flow on a lot of songs cant even ride the beat right. 2pac biggie and treach masta ace all ride the beat better than him and have voices and flow i can tolerate.
mic presence? lil above average, went to the Hard knock life tour or whatever couple years back w/ dmx. not bad
delivery? HORRIBLE, voice is the same every song, as i said above, u ppl think hes a god when he isnt anything. cant even ride beats..
discography? consistant i agree, reasonable doubt, blue print are his only two above average albums. black album is wayyy overrated. why uthink u can put his vocals over beatles beat like the grey album did? because he doesnt speed up, slow it up, or change the delivery at all. just stays the same boring flow.
storytelling? average
im an underground head with alot of backpackers as well, all of us agree he has got to be the most overrated.
he can freestyle lil above average, i rather listen to that shit than a lot of his songs.
whether people want to admit it or not, pac>big>em>nas>SLUG>fuckin tons of others>jayz & snoop.... both OVERRATED, enuff said
" my mind is infested, with sick thoughts that circle like a Lexus, if driven wrong it's sure to hurt you Dual level like duplexes, in unity, my crew and me commit atrocities like we got immunity You guessed it, manifest it in tangible goods Platinum Rolexed it, we don't lease we buy the whole car, as you should My confederation, dead a nation, EXPLODE on detonation, overload the mind of a said patient When it balls to steam, it comes to it we all fiends gotta do it, even righteous minds go through this True this, history school us to spend our money foolish Bond with jewellers and, watch for intruders I stepped it up another level, meditated like a buddhist Recruited lieutenants with ludicrous, dreams of gettin cream let's do this, against T-D-S So I keep one eye open like, C-B-S, ya see me stressed right? Can I live?" thats hardly just "decent", and he has plenty of verses superior to that.
wordplay? niggas dont get the picture till the weapons is drawn. my shit is butter, for the bread they wanna toast me. you draw, better be picasso, you know the best
cause if this is not so, ah, god bless. At your wake as I peak in, look in your casket
feelin sarcastic, "Look at him, still sleepin". Nine to five is how to survive, I ain't trying to survive I'm trying to live it to the limit and love it a lot. We used to fight for building blocks Now we fight for blocks with buildings that make a killing . And even if Jehovah witness, bet he'll never testify. My hand around her collar, feeding her cheese She said the taste of dollars was shitty so I fed her fifties About his whereabouts I wasn't convinced So I kept feeding her money 'til her shit started to make sense. My pops knew exactly what he did when he made me Tried to get a nut and he got a nut and what. For nine six, the only MC with a flu Yeah I rhyme sick, I be what you're tryin to do. Transactions illegitimate cause life is still a bitch And then you die but for now life close your eyes and feel this dick. those are just some, and thats only from one album. jay mastered every form of it. not even close? yeah, sure. i dont even have to mention the crazy punches, that hes got for days...
flow? you say he never switched it up? well, thats a lie, cause when he first came out, before he even put out his first album, he used to flow like the fu-shickens. on that fast, toungue twisting tip. you must've never heard can i git open, in my lifetime original, cant get wit that, or da graveyard? then once he hit reasonable doubt he slowed his flow down and he sped it up on certain tracks like coming of age. on volume 2 he speeds his flow up on nigga what, nigga who, and its like that, and slows it down on hard knock life, just to name a few. when he was makin up new flows on the black album, he said ... "There's never been a nigga this good for this long
This hood
Or this pop, this hot
Or this strong
With so many different flows
This ones for this song
The next one I'll switch up
This one will get bit up
These fucks
To lazy to make up shit
They crazy
They don't...paint pictures
They just trace me"
and its true. jay is an innavator in the flow department on the black album, much like ace was on sittin on chrome.
mic presence? considering jay has great breath control, and he rocked the stage at summer jam, and the madison square video i saw, im not buying your story.
you cant even tell the difference between flow and delivery. in the delivery category you said "he cant even ride a beat", wtf? thats flow. 2pac with a better flow than jay? thats just stupid. jay's mentor(kane), had the best delivery ever, and it rubbed off on jay a little. how the fuck is he gonna change up his voice? i could see if he made a concept/storytelling track where he took the characters position, but he always narrarated it. you are reachin, for real.
lol @ slug being better than jay...this aint ughh son, fuck outta here with that nerd rap bullshit
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Eminem, Slug and Canibus are all better than Jay
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Neither of them are overrated. 2pac is by far the greatest rapper of all time Jay-Z is top 10 IMO.
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LOL... I said Nas is the best rapper alive. Big L has sadly passed. I remembering hearing my homeboy "freestyle" saying a bunch of unheard Big L lines at the time. I was like, damn, he could get a contract. A year later they dropped the Big L CD, and I heard word or word the same lines... lol. But I would never underrate Big L, one of the best that ever did it.
Eminem, Slug and Canibus are all better than Jay
Why do I say they are overrated, 'cause heads rate them so high and they waste their talents. Jay-Z IMO is talented, but he puts all his talent in his work. Slug and Canibus don't use all there talent, or they'd be platnum rappers. Slug is on some weird shit, I heard so much of him, it gets me mad to know he should be bigger, especially 'cause his white, and is not fucking up the game. You can say, he loved his music, but his talent is not being used either. Canibus is a wasted of lyrical genious. His a battle rapper that lost two major battles already and burried his own career. If his a battle rapper, shouldn't he have beaten an older, not as great LL Cool J. Eminem I understand. As for Em himself, listen to every album since Slim Shady LP. He does not consident with his music. One song is a classic, and one song is garbage. if he would actually put his all in his music, he'd be top 5 of all time.
Jay-Z, say what you will, but he can put his all into an album. You know every song his thinking hot single, or an additional track to a great CD. He works hard, and you can tell it in his music. He is not the best rapper alive like him and his fans say, so he is overrated, but not everyone overrates him. Everyone over rates Slug, Canibus, but most every head will tell you Jay-Z is wack, which is far from the truth. His haters even out the Jay-Z dickriders. Canibus and Slug have no haters, so they are rated higher than they should. Eminem, he has so many fans, that his haters are almost a non factor.
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nerd rap bullshit? ya okay your the one writing paragraphs and seems obsessed with the guy. feeling you have to defend jay with your life and posting his lyrics from only a couple songs. big deal, his delivery and voice are horrible and if u knew anything you would know he struggles with riding beats. he was tryin to find his identity back then and now finally found copin kanes style works for him. dude is overrated because of people like u who think so highly of him, quite sad. "Eminem, Slug and Canibus are all better than Jay" is true...im not gonna find any lyrics like u bcuz i personally dont care that much about the guy, hes overrated. only ppl who do that is "nerd rap bullshit" type cats like your self
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This is a funny thread.
Slug and Canibus better than Jay?
Chino XL better than Nas?
That's comedy.
Jay-Z and 2Pac are overrated. Probably not the most overrated but overrated nevertheless.
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nerd rap bullshit? ya okay your the one writing paragraphs and seems obsessed with the guy. feeling you have to defend jay with your life and posting his lyrics from only a couple songs. big deal, his delivery and voice are horrible and if u knew anything you would know he struggles with riding beats. he was tryin to find his identity back then and now finally found copin kanes style works for him. dude is overrated because of people like u who think so highly of him, quite sad. "Eminem, Slug and Canibus are all better than Jay" is true...im not gonna find any lyrics like u bcuz i personally dont care that much about the guy, hes overrated. only ppl who do that is "nerd rap bullshit" type cats like your self
lol @ jay "copying" kane when he was mentored by him and jaz-o. i guess big l copied lord finesse too, huh? the thing i really find funny is how you talk about jay "not being able to ride a beat" aka flow, and then you got ras kass in your sig. irony at its finest. when him, slug, or canibus can put out an album universally accepted as a good album, come holla at me. cause jay already has 2.
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nerd rap bullshit? ya okay your the one writing paragraphs and seems obsessed with the guy. feeling you have to defend jay with your life and posting his lyrics from only a couple songs. big deal, his delivery and voice are horrible and if u knew anything you would know he struggles with riding beats. he was tryin to find his identity back then and now finally found copin kanes style works for him. dude is overrated because of people like u who think so highly of him, quite sad. "Eminem, Slug and Canibus are all better than Jay" is true...im not gonna find any lyrics like u bcuz i personally dont care that much about the guy, hes overrated. only ppl who do that is "nerd rap bullshit" type cats like your self
lol @ jay "copying" kane when he was mentored by him and jaz-o. i guess big l copied lord finesse too, huh? the thing i really find funny is how you talk about jay "not being able to ride a beat" aka flow, and then you got ras kass in your sig. irony at its finest. when him, slug, or canibus can put out an album universally accepted as a good album, come holla at me. cause jay already has 2.
What do you mean by universally accepted? I'll give you Canibus, I haven't heard enough Slug, but Eminem Show, MMLP, and SSLP are pretty accepted. They all got rather good reviews from every type of review I've read. I'm not saying you're wrong but can you show that any of Em's first 3 albums were not accepted?
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nerd rap bullshit? ya okay your the one writing paragraphs and seems obsessed with the guy. feeling you have to defend jay with your life and posting his lyrics from only a couple songs. big deal, his delivery and voice are horrible and if u knew anything you would know he struggles with riding beats. he was tryin to find his identity back then and now finally found copin kanes style works for him. dude is overrated because of people like u who think so highly of him, quite sad. "Eminem, Slug and Canibus are all better than Jay" is true...im not gonna find any lyrics like u bcuz i personally dont care that much about the guy, hes overrated. only ppl who do that is "nerd rap bullshit" type cats like your self
lol @ jay "copying" kane when he was mentored by him and jaz-o. i guess big l copied lord finesse too, huh? the thing i really find funny is how you talk about jay "not being able to ride a beat" aka flow, and then you got ras kass in your sig. irony at its finest. when him, slug, or canibus can put out an album universally accepted as a good album, come holla at me. cause jay already has 2.
What do you mean by universally accepted? I'll give you Canibus, I haven't heard enough Slug, but Eminem Show, MMLP, and SSLP are pretty accepted. They all got rather good reviews from every type of review I've read. I'm not saying you're wrong but can you show that any of Em's first 3 albums were not accepted?
by universally accepted i mean the mainstream, underground, and critic reviews. eminem has good albums, thats why i didnt mention him. i said him(ras kass), slug and canibus.
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Jay Z: yes
Pac: no
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when him, slug, or canibus can put out an album universally accepted as a good album, come holla at me. cause jay already has 2.
they probably could if they were signed to a major, had promotion like jay through mags, tv, interviews, clothing lines, etc...their independant and the world isnt ready for them. they prefer weak shit like chingy, nelly, j-kwon, and jayz. em can even fit in with them at times, nas stays real. make any of those 3 a hot beat like the ones jay gets and see how they ride it with a lot more meaning full and lyrical content compared to your beloved jay. slug did good on Modern Mans Hustle which i thought sounded a lil commercial. but unfortuanly he cant get beats like that all the time or have the equipemtn/producers who can. until then, they wont put an album universally accepted bcuz of all that and i can deal with it. being accepted by 12 yr olds and sales obviously matter to u, good for u. to me, jay is like the dumb commercial version of immortal technique, both cant ride beats. list as many songs as u want, call me when he can do it through a whole album.
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when I say Slug and Canibus are better than Jay, Im not talking about Albums.
comparing them by Albums is, frankly said, misunderstanding
Jay-Z obviously has better studios, better production, better beats, better guest appearances, more budget, and what not.
No shit his albums have a better sound universally speaking.
technically though, bis and slug are better rappers. I'd also put Poet Laureate II over any Jay-Z song and Godlovesugly over any Jay-Z Album, but that's probably just my personal preferation.
by the underground, however, Ras Kass is severly overrated btw.
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nerd rap bullshit? ya okay your the one writing paragraphs and seems obsessed with the guy. feeling you have to defend jay with your life and posting his lyrics from only a couple songs. big deal, his delivery and voice are horrible and if u knew anything you would know he struggles with riding beats. he was tryin to find his identity back then and now finally found copin kanes style works for him. dude is overrated because of people like u who think so highly of him, quite sad. "Eminem, Slug and Canibus are all better than Jay" is true...im not gonna find any lyrics like u bcuz i personally dont care that much about the guy, hes overrated. only ppl who do that is "nerd rap bullshit" type cats like your self
lol @ jay "copying" kane when he was mentored by him and jaz-o. i guess big l copied lord finesse too, huh? the thing i really find funny is how you talk about jay "not being able to ride a beat" aka flow, and then you got ras kass in your sig. irony at its finest. when him, slug, or canibus can put out an album universally accepted as a good album, come holla at me. cause jay already has 2.
What do you mean by universally accepted? I'll give you Canibus, I haven't heard enough Slug, but Eminem Show, MMLP, and SSLP are pretty accepted. They all got rather good reviews from every type of review I've read. I'm not saying you're wrong but can you show that any of Em's first 3 albums were not accepted?
by universally accepted i mean the mainstream, underground, and critic reviews. eminem has good albums, thats why i didnt mention him. i said him(ras kass), slug and canibus.
Yeah, I can agree with that. Since the other guy mention Em, Canibus, and Slug in succession, I thought you meant Em when you said "him". My mistake.
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I could never say Pac was overrated. He was the best all round package in the history of rap music. His lyrics were more poetic than most and just as good as any of the other best rappers. His delivery was so versatile. He knew what type of emotion the song required, and he knew how to display that emotion better than anybody. He could do angry, sad, excited, cocky, and serious. Kind of like Elvis in that regard, if he were to touch a song everybody else better leave it alone. I think of Nas's "Dance" from God's Son, and can only imagine how much better it would have sounded if Pac recorded it. His flow was musical and fluid all the time. He may have been hypocritical or acted stupid sometimes but that shouldn't affect his merit as an artist. We aren't judging Tupac the human being, we are judging Tupac the artist. I'll never understand what people mean when they say he wasn't good lyrically. I'd compare some of his best work to early Springsteen lyrics, well above 90% of hip hop 90% of the time, and never below it.
I couldnt have said it better myself. Pac isnt overrated, he is just simply THAT good.....he was on a level that no other hip hop artist has or ever will reach. IMO, he is the only hip hop artist that is worthy of being called an icon. Whether you like his music or not is irrelevent. He is simply the embodiment of hip hop and the biggest and most influential figure to arise from it. By far the most charismatic, versatile, and complete MC ever. You can try and say he is overrated all you want, but fact of the matter is that he's the standard by which all MC's today are judged by, and the one every living MC wants to be. There's a reason he is quoted and sampled more than any other MC right now, because he was THAT good. Thing about Pac was, he was more than just a rapper: he was a poet, revoluationary, and to many, a prophet. At the very least, he is a legend and the voice for an entire generation. I dont care if im dickriding or not, im just telling it like it is. Dude was/is in a class of his own.
Jay Z, on the otherhand, is EXTREMELY overrated......as is Eminem. Neither of these cats are even worthy of shining Pac's boots.
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Well, well... I never really liked Jay-Z anyway so imo he's EXTREMELY overrated... And as for Pac - yeah he was skilled... Highly skilled. One of the best in the game, but nowadays people seem to act like he's God himself. He deserves respect, but stop riding his dick. I wonder if Pac would have fallen off before 2004 if he weren't dead already.
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I couldnt have said it better myself. Pac isnt overrated, he is just simply THAT good.....he was on a level that no other hip hop artist has or ever will reach. IMO, he is the only hip hop artist that is worthy of being called an icon. Whether you like his music or not is irrelevent. He is simply the embodiment of hip hop and the biggest and most influential figure to arise from it. By far the most charismatic, versatile, and complete MC ever. You can try and say he is overrated all you want, but fact of the matter is that he's the standard by which all MC's today are judged by, and the one every living MC wants to be. There's a reason he is quoted and sampled more than any other MC right now, because he was THAT good. Thing about Pac was, he was more than just a rapper: he was a poet, revoluationary, and to many, a prophet. At the very least, he is a legend and the voice for an entire generation. I dont care if im dickriding or not, im just telling it like it is. Dude was/is in a class of his own.
Jay Z, on the otherhand, is EXTREMELY overrated......as is Eminem. Neither of these cats are even worthy of shining Pac's boots.
I don't call too many people here dickriders but you are the perfect example.
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I couldnt have said it better myself. Pac isnt overrated, he is just simply THAT good.....he was on a level that no other hip hop artist has or ever will reach. IMO, he is the only hip hop artist that is worthy of being called an icon. Whether you like his music or not is irrelevent. He is simply the embodiment of hip hop and the biggest and most influential figure to arise from it. By far the most charismatic, versatile, and complete MC ever. You can try and say he is overrated all you want, but fact of the matter is that he's the standard by which all MC's today are judged by, and the one every living MC wants to be. There's a reason he is quoted and sampled more than any other MC right now, because he was THAT good. Thing about Pac was, he was more than just a rapper: he was a poet, revoluationary, and to many, a prophet. At the very least, he is a legend and the voice for an entire generation. I dont care if im dickriding or not, im just telling it like it is. Dude was/is in a class of his own.
Jay Z, on the otherhand, is EXTREMELY overrated......as is Eminem. Neither of these cats are even worthy of shining Pac's boots.
I don't call too many people here dickriders but you are the perfect example.
No, you are a far bigger dickrider than I am, since YOU cant get off MY dick....following me around threads and shit. Fuck up outta here kid.
And I could care less of what you think about me, insignifigant one. Acting like im gonna change my opinions or some shit just because you happen to not like them. As said in the other thread, go fuck yourself...after you kindly remove yourself from my nuts.
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No, you are a far bigger dickrider than I am, since YOU cant get off MY dick....following me around threads and shit. Fuck up outta here kid.
Responding to two of your posts hardly qualifies as "following you around".
And I could care less of what you think about me, insignifigant one. Acting like im gonna change my opinions or some shit just because you happen to not like them. As said in the other thread, go fuck yourself...after you kindly remove yourself from my nuts.
hahahahaha
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when him, slug, or canibus can put out an album universally accepted as a good album, come holla at me. cause jay already has 2.
they probably could if they were signed to a major, had promotion like jay through mags, tv, interviews, clothing lines, etc...their independant and the world isnt ready for them. they prefer weak shit like chingy, nelly, j-kwon, and jayz. em can even fit in with them at times, nas stays real. make any of those 3 a hot beat like the ones jay gets and see how they ride it with a lot more meaning full and lyrical content compared to your beloved jay. slug did good on Modern Mans Hustle which i thought sounded a lil commercial. but unfortuanly he cant get beats like that all the time or have the equipemtn/producers who can. until then, they wont put an album universally accepted bcuz of all that and i can deal with it. being accepted by 12 yr olds and sales obviously matter to u, good for u. to me, jay is like the dumb commercial version of immortal technique, both cant ride beats. list as many songs as u want, call me when he can do it through a whole album.
comparing nelly, j-kwon, and chingy, to jay? LOL. the only thing they have in common is that they are mainstream artists. nas best flows were on iww, and they still arent as good as jays best. substance doesnt mean shit when it comes to mcing. the perfect example is 92-96 redman. great lyricism, great albums. im sick of people on this board trying to use substance as a crutch. and when did i say sales mattered to me? stop putting words into my mouth. im not a fucking dickrider. if its not my money, i dont care how much they are selling. and he already did it through an entire album, it was called reasonable doubt. he hit the underground and mainstream with tracks for that album.
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when him, slug, or canibus can put out an album universally accepted as a good album, come holla at me. cause jay already has 2.
they probably could if they were signed to a major, had promotion like jay through mags, tv, interviews, clothing lines, etc...their independant and the world isnt ready for them. they prefer weak shit like chingy, nelly, j-kwon, and jayz. em can even fit in with them at times, nas stays real. make any of those 3 a hot beat like the ones jay gets and see how they ride it with a lot more meaning full and lyrical content compared to your beloved jay. slug did good on Modern Mans Hustle which i thought sounded a lil commercial. but unfortuanly he cant get beats like that all the time or have the equipemtn/producers who can. until then, they wont put an album universally accepted bcuz of all that and i can deal with it. being accepted by 12 yr olds and sales obviously matter to u, good for u. to me, jay is like the dumb commercial version of immortal technique, both cant ride beats. list as many songs as u want, call me when he can do it through a whole album.
comparing nelly, j-kwon, and chingy, to jay? LOL. the only thing they have in common is that they are mainstream artists. nas best flows were on iww, and they still arent as good as jays best. substance doesnt mean shit when it comes to mcing. the perfect example is 92-96 redman. great lyricism, great albums. im sick of people on this board trying to use substance as a crutch. and when did i say sales mattered to me? stop putting words into my mouth. im not a fucking dickrider. if its not my money, i dont care how much they are selling. and he already did it through an entire album, it was called reasonable doubt. he hit the underground and mainstream with tracks for that album.
comparing nelly, j-kwon, and chingy, to jay? LOL.
Exactly!!
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Jay Z >>> 2Pac
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Jay Z >>> 2Pac
Hahahaha, thats a joke.
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i really can't disagree with that ^^^^^....not that jay-z is better than 2pac lyrically or whatever but i'll say he's right there with him....i listen to a lot more jay than i do 2pac...i have a lot of albums by both but in the end i just feel jay-z has the all around package (when it comes down to the 2 of them....there are a few others i would say the same about)
however 7even.....i wouldnt call slug anywhere near 2pac....dont get me wrong i love slug...i have all the atmosphere albums, i the slug/murs album....seen him in concert.....great mc and i listen to atmosphere way more than 2pac....but the thing is that slug and 2pac are 2 entirely different styles of hip hop....jay-z/pac is a little easier to compare...i would say both had just as much talent....but honestly pac had the whole package compared to slug...there are a lot of atmosphere songs i dont like (and there are a lot of 2pac songs i dont like)....and as much as i love atmosphere....i cant bring myself to compare slug to 2pac....
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jay z is a great rapper, his flow is nice, and lyrics can be really sick at times, overated, yes, just because some say hes like in top 10, which he isnt, but , hes got some nice albums under his belt
and lol at slug > 2pac... but you could possibly argue jay z > 2pac.. but i disagree... and Nas > jay z
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I cant complete how this dude dissed the shit out of pac. I mean really pac has the best range. He is the only rapper that could mix so many moods in a album and make it all work. Usually when other rappers try this it doesnt work. Also I think cuz how raw he made it. Even a song like How Do You Want It he didnt have that typical lovie lovie bullshits lines. Shit he even threw in a political blows in that song. No other rapper does that. The guy that wrote that was just worried about lyricas I know pac had some more average lyricas but I think dumbfouned his lyricas so more peolpe can understand the message he is tryin to display. Most of the time the most lyricalist cant make hot ass albums cuz for some reason they just fail. If Lyricalist is all you have had to worry about than Ras Kass would of went platium a long time ago
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a agree
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2pac was, is, and always will be the best rapper EVER, lyrics, passion, spirituality, story tellin, truthfulness, knowledge, intelligence, flow, voice....
if anything tupac is underrated bein compared to biggie or any other rapper...
anyone that says eminem biggie or chino xl have better lyrics, dont listen to tupac.