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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite on November 28, 2004, 10:37:22 PM
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There are the obvious example's like Limp Bizkit and Kid Rock, who have had to turn to African American culture to remain relevant and sell records. Alot of people don't realize that groups like the Chemical Brothers also stole their sounds from hip-hop. If you don't believe me, listen to Dre's beat he made back in the early 90's for the DOC's "Portrait of a Masterpiece". The influence is obvious.
By the way, I'm not saying white artists don't have a liscence to make music, or that they can't be great at it. Eminem was one of the last great hip-hop artists before the fall of hip-hop at the turn of the millenium. But we must not forget that when Rolling Stones does their top 100 songs of the Century list, they are showing prejudice to their race by selecting white Rock artists, and a few token R@B artists who are soft enough for them to swallow. Still, this prejudice is understandable, because America is predominantly a white country. Still, this prejudice must be pointed out.
By the way, the banjo (which lead to the giutar) was one of many instruments imported from Africa during the course of slavery. White American artists wouldn't be who they are if it hadn't of been for slavery in America.
Class is dismissed.
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Rolling Stones does their top 100 songs of the Century list, they are showing prejudice to their race by selecting white Rock artists
So Rolling Stone Magazine is a white guy?
Infinite- If hip hop is dead, why are you posting on a hip hop forum? Face it. You're a moron.
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There are the obvious example's like Limp Bizkit and Kid Rock, who have had to turn to African American culture to remain relevant and sell records. Alot of people don't realize that groups like the Chemical Brothers also stole their sounds from hip-hop. If you don't believe me, listen to Dre's beat he made back in the early 90's for the DOC's "Portrait of a Masterpiece". The influence is obvious.
By the way, I'm not saying white artists don't have a liscence to make music, or that they can't be great at it. Eminem was one of the last great hip-hop artists before the fall of hip-hop at the turn of the millenium. But we must not forget that when Rolling Stones does their top 100 songs of the Century list, they are showing prejudice to their race by selecting white Rock artists, and a few token R@B artists who are soft enough for them to swallow. Still, this prejudice is understandable, because America is predominantly a white country. Still, this prejudice must be pointed out.
By the way, the banjo (which lead to the giutar) was one of many instruments imported from Africa during the course of slavery. White American artists wouldn't be who they are if it hadn't of been for slavery in America.
Class is dismissed.
Have u heard of sampling ???Thats nothing new in music & hip hop is one of the genres of music which wouldnt be shit without it.Or maybe ure trying to say that only black people can sample music from other black artists???I didnt know music was a seperate "white & black" thing.& what is this quote suppeose to mean???
By the way, I'm not saying white artists don't have a liscence to make music, or that they can't be great at it.
What an ignorant post,I mean u just cant get anymore ignorant.Where did u even get that kind of idea in your head???I know ure not saying we are not allowed to make music,but where the hell did u even get an idea to even say sth like that???I can be just as ignorant as u & say sth like this "By the way, I'm not saying black artists don't have a liscence to make music, or that they can't be great at it".& when u all get so emotional about "us" doing hip hop music or whatever,remember that black people do the same things as we do & thats not only in the world of music.
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Just here to talk hip-hop. I don't care about discussing your personal lives, nor do I care about discussing my own. My personal life is elsewhere, I am here on this forum to discuss hip-hop. No beef. Just nostalgic about my own past, that's all this is.
Masta T, I'm sure you were planning on saying something real deep, but you failed to find the words in your vocabulary to properly convey the message, so really, I have no idea what your counter argument was. You can try again, maybe I just need further explanation. I wouldn't know where to start if I was to reply to you.
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There are the obvious example's like Limp Bizkit and Kid Rock, who have had to turn to African American culture to remain relevant and sell records. Alot of people don't realize that groups like the Chemical Brothers also stole their sounds from hip-hop. If you don't believe me, listen to Dre's beat he made back in the early 90's for the DOC's "Portrait of a Masterpiece". The influence is obvious.
Your right when you say that "White Music" has taken and used elements of the black culture ("Black Music"). However you fail to mention that you can aso say that "BlackMusic" has taken from "White Music". Does Rap (Dre,Quik,Timbaland just to name a few) owe middle eastern culture a debt for all the sampling they did when that was hot?. I have no doubt that you could sit here all day if you wanted and compare what culture influenced what others cultures music. ITs music...an artform. As hard as people try to pigeonhole or label the styles or cultures or whatnot there will never be a purely white,black,asian,hispanic or whatever type of music.Its people like you that cant just enjoy the music without trying to put a label on it and keepin old stereotypes alive.
But we must not forget that when Rolling Stones does their top 100 songs of the Century list, they are showing prejudice to their race by selecting white Rock artists, and a few token R@B artists who are soft enough for them to swallow. Still, this prejudice is understandable, because America is predominantly a white country. Still, this prejudice must be pointed out.
Rolling Stone is biased without question. however if The Source or Vibe magazine did a poll on any subject are you gonna tell me that it wouldnt be biaased? Rolling Stone was not created with hip-hop in mind just as The Source wasnt created with country music in mind. You see at what im gettin at here?
So basically instead of pointing fingers at whos responsible for what and helping keep racial a nd musical stereotypes in place, why dont you just enjoy music for what it is? Hip-Hop or anyother music for that matte can only die if you let it...so ask yourself are you keepin it alive or helping to kill it.
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This is ridiculous. Music is a consistently evolving art form, and can't be confined to specific groups or stereotypes -- everybody borrows from everyone else.
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There are the obvious example's like Limp Bizkit and Kid Rock, who have had to turn to African American culture to remain relevant and sell records. Alot of people don't realize that groups like the Chemical Brothers also stole their sounds from hip-hop. If you don't believe me, listen to Dre's beat he made back in the early 90's for the DOC's "Portrait of a Masterpiece". The influence is obvious.
Your right when you say that "White Music" has taken and used elements of the black culture ("Black Music"). However you fail to mention that you can aso say that "BlackMusic" has taken from "White Music". Does Rap (Dre,Quik,Timbaland just to name a few) owe middle eastern culture a debt for all the sampling they did when that was hot?. I have no doubt that you could sit here all day if you wanted and compare what culture influenced what others cultures music. ITs music...an artform. As hard as people try to pigeonhole or label the styles or cultures or whatnot there will never be a purely white,black,asian,hispanic or whatever type of music.Its people like you that cant just enjoy the music without trying to put a label on it and keepin old stereotypes alive.
But we must not forget that when Rolling Stones does their top 100 songs of the Century list, they are showing prejudice to their race by selecting white Rock artists, and a few token R@B artists who are soft enough for them to swallow. Still, this prejudice is understandable, because America is predominantly a white country. Still, this prejudice must be pointed out.
Rolling Stone is biased without question. however if The Source or Vibe magazine did a poll on any subject are you gonna tell me that it wouldnt be biaased? Rolling Stone was not created with hip-hop in mind just as The Source wasnt created with country music in mind. You see at what im gettin at here?
So basically instead of pointing fingers at whos responsible for what and helping keep racial a nd musical stereotypes in place, why dont you just enjoy music for what it is? Hip-Hop or anyother music for that matte can only die if you let it...so ask yourself are you keepin it alive or helping to kill it.
anyways, this guy is on point. don't bitch that a non-hip hop based magazine isn't including much hip hop; and we won't bitch that a 'hip hop' magazine isn't choosing rock songs.
and you're gonna bring in limp bizkit and kid rock? as if they're these great bands that anyone even gives a shit about? wow. limp bizkit and kid rock 'stole' black culture. and they're just so 'relevant' in white culture that it's something to get your panties in a bunch about.
infinite, you're a bum. get it through your thick skull that it's music. nothing more, nothing less. if you used your arguing abilities to do something productive, you might actually get somewhere. instead, you're sitting here constantly defending yourself against a group of guys that never understands what the fuck you're talking about. do something productive. stop being angry at pointless things and do something in your own life. i don't know if i've ever seen someone actually agree with any of your points.
the world is bigger than hip hop. open your eyes.
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my mommy used to always say only people with small minds need to use big words all the time......
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lol..
god this guy is such a 'tard
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Hey Infinite- The harp predates the Banjo. It dates back as far as 15,000 BC in France. Oh but I guess they stole it from blacks too. Let me ask you something; did white people create anything, or was it all stolen? Oh wait I know, white people created slavery, right?
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Hey Infinite- The harp predates the Banjo. It dates back as far as 15,000 BC in France. Oh but I guess they stole it from blacks too. Let me ask you something; did white people create anything, or was it all stolen? Oh wait I know, white people created slavery, right?
Now hes gonna say "Egyptians had slaves, so yes whitey stole the idea of slavery"
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first every topic is related to hardcore islamic views, now we get this bullshit. Make up another PG alias so you get banned again
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Hey Infinite- The harp predates the Banjo. It dates back as far as 15,000 BC in France. Oh but I guess they stole it from blacks too. Let me ask you something; did white people create anything, or was it all stolen? Oh wait I know, white people created slavery, right?
Now hes gonna say "Egyptians had slaves, so yes whitey stole the idea of slavery"
No he will never admit that blacks had slaves, so he'll say that blacks offered their bodies to labour out of good will. Of course the head Egyptians were never proven to be black, but doesn't want to admit that.
Infinite needs a little bit of Jesus in his life.
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Just here to talk hip-hop. I don't care about discussing your personal lives, nor do I care about discussing my own. My personal life is elsewhere, I am here on this forum to discuss hip-hop. No beef. Just nostalgic about my own past, that's all this is.
Masta T, I'm sure you were planning on saying something real deep, but you failed to find the words in your vocabulary to properly convey the message, so really, I have no idea what your counter argument was. You can try again, maybe I just need further explanation. I wouldn't know where to start if I was to reply to you.
Firstly,dont tell me what I was or wasnt supposed to say.Secondly,if u dont understand simple & basic english,go back to school kid.& if u really didnt understand what I said,then in other words I simply said that u are ignorant.Simple enough???
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dont forget you guys.. this guy is white too..
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dont forget you guys.. this guy is white too..
He probably figured a few years ago that he had ancestors that were slave masters and felt guilty, so he joined Islam because for some reason it makes him feel less like of a culprit, and he gives 1000x more credit to black people then even the most afro centric nut cases in the world.
Infinite- It's not your fault. Get over it. Blacks used to enslve people too. It has nothing to do with skin color. Rich people like to stay rich, and to stay rich they have to keep the poor down.
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Face it. You're a moron.
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I don't even know why I looked in this thread. Why argue with this clown?
I guess while I'm here I'll call for a...
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I'm not here to polotic with you all. There are far better avenues available for enlightened discussions on social issues. I am only here because this forum still represents the illest hip-hop discussion forum on the net. If you have anything personal you need to discuss with me, you can contact me through a Personal Message. Otherwise, I am here strictly to speak on hip-hop, the music I once loved before it's untimely death at the turn of the millenium.
As for my thoughts on hip-hop music. If you disagree, try to be more patient in your responses and less aggressive, this will pave the way for a more balanced discussion. If you do not wish to do so, then so be it, it's still the best rap discussion forum on the net, even if I didn't post here, I would still have to visit to read up on all the past and present hip-hop news.
I won't reply to any of the comments on this thread because they all strayed too far away from the subject of hip-hop. And all these false accusations about me blaming everything on the white man and saying that African's invented everything are too far out of reach for me to even reply.
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read your first post again.. look at the condescending attitude.. "class dismissed".. what the hell is that?
do you see other people with that kind of attitude here?
look back.. people were tripping on your posts **before** they knew it was "that crazy dude infinite"...
check yourself!
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ban him seer :monkey_piss:
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Infinite you're a hypocrit. It's midnight here, so i won't get into it deeply, but to say it in the most basic way possible, you provoke ("class dismissed"...cocky muhfucka) and state your personal views in the most apodictic way possible. Assuming that this won't result in hate and reactions of equally aggressive contrariness would be quite stupid of you, so for you to come up with those seemingly calm replies to it trying to tame everybody and at the same time telling them how you won't even argue on that level is really quite fucking hypocritical...so, bottom line, unless you get rid of your fundamentalism, cockiness and narrow-mindedness, stop posting. From all I can tell you won't get rid of your fundamentalism, cockiness and narrow-mindedness ever. So stop posting
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I won't reply to any of the comments on this thread because they all strayed too far away from the subject of hip-hop. And all these false accusations about me blaming everything on the white man and saying that African's invented everything are too far out of reach for me to even reply.
A) In your first post you point out that white arists such as Limp Bizkit and Kid Rock (where are they now?) stole elements of "African American Culture meaning Hip-Hop. There is absolute no argument from me or if im not mistaken from anyone in this thread. My argument is that no matter what culture you are from you can make claims that your culture has influenced another. Did Anthrax all of a sudden start makin claims to the world that Public Enemy owes them a debt of gratitude for being on the same track with them (Bring The Noise) or vice versa? I could go on and on how rock has been introduced into hip-hop aswell as the other way around. That point is irrelavent.
B) The biased nature of Rolling Stone...Again, yes it is biased but my point should be clear to you..Rolling STone was created for people who wanted to read about all things rock...just as you say you come here to catch up on hip-hop news. You dont turn on Country Music Television expecting to learn about the next Gangstarr album do you? Thiat argument too is irrelavent.
c) You claim that the bajo was imported here during slavery. You know what? You might be right I have no clue. But may i ask what that has to do with hip-hop?. You then claim that white music would not have been the same without it. thas where the condescending attitude OverSeer mentioned comes into play. Baseless accusations such as these is what i think got you "aggresive responses" to this thread. Irrelavent and pointless.
So refuse to respond to mine or others posts if you want but if anyone has strayed from the realm of talking about hip-hop read your first post again and than tell me who strayed.
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i stopped reading this post when dude said "limp bizkit and kid rock have had RESORT BACK to doing hip hop in order to stay relavent"
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i'm sorry buddy but kid rock has progessively become more and MORE and MOOOOOOORE country and southern rock with each album he has put out
Fred Durst has said on Ultimateguitar.com that he is through with rapping and limp bizkit's last two hits have been attempts to be The Who with their cover of behind blue eyes
wtf
i hate it when people say "white people try to be black " or "black people are superior musicians" the fact of the matter is white people are just as skilled as blacks when it comes to music
fucking take rock and roll
the og of that genre is chuck berry .....great guitarist , then along comes all these copy cats like clapton, townsend, page, and iommi who can blast that fool out of the water
then comes hendrix ....revolutionized the guitar and smoked every one........oh but wait then along came Eddie Van Halen who re-revolutionized the guitar and opened the flood gates for people like Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, kirk hammett, George Lynch , and many other guitar virtuosos who could kick hendrix's ass ......
i'm not taking away from any black artist but it pisses me of when people say one race is superior in music......it's just ridiculous how ignorant people are to music. go to itally and there are string players who are just the SHIT, go to spain and they're so awesome with brass and strings, go to south america and they're fucking genious with wood winds, go to fucking anywhere in the world and you got kick ass musicians . take a trip to Nashville some day and then come back and tell me if white people suck at music...
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Fuck Whitey!!!!
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Fuck Whitey!!!!
agreed
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I only have one thing to say in this topic: It's just music, enjoy it.
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(http://www.staticfiends.com/alicia_keys/alicia_keys17.jpg)
Damn, Alicia keyes is starting to Whore it up a little bit, heh?
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(http://www.staticfiends.com/alicia_keys/alicia_keys17.jpg)
Damn, Alicia keyes is starting to Whore it up a little bit, heh?
that's an older picture. When she first came out, they were trying to figure out her image. Now I think they are just settled on her being a classy singer. I of course love Alicia anyway she is. And she's half white... so hopefully on day I'll really get to fuck whitey... at least half a whitey... lol :D
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Urh... no. no, you won't.