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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: M Dogg™ on December 05, 2004, 08:57:39 PM
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The Charlotte Bobcats are in serious discussions with the Los Angeles Lakers about a trade that would send Lakers guard Kareem Rush to Charlotte for a future second-round pick, accoring to two league sources.
The talks have progressed to the point that Bobcats general manager Bernie Bickerstaff decided to waive guard Eddie House on Saturday to clear a roster space for Rush. House was the Bobcats' fifth leading scorer averaging 11.1 ppg.
Sources claim that Bickerstaff approached House on Saturday and told him that he believed the trade for Rush would happen Monday. According to sources, Bickerstaff believed that Rush would take most of House's playing time and wanted to give House the chance to earn playing time somewhere else.
House should have a number of options. The Nuggets, Heat, Celtics and Rockets are among the teams that have expressed interest in House.
Rush is averaging just 0.9 ppg this season. Last year he backed up Kobe Bryant, but he's been getting just 6 minutes this season.
Being traded to the Bobcats could be the best thing that happens to Rush. Expect Rush to quickly work his way into the starting lineup in Charlotte. The team has a hole at shooting guard that it has struggled to fill this season.
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Ouch. Id rather have Rush over the 2nd round pick..
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Screw Rush, Hes had plenty of time to prove himself and hes done nothing, send his ass off, I denounce him!
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fuck, this sucks. Rush plays well in clutch time, like last season's playoffs. He made some key 3's to help the lakers make it to the finals. If Rush leaves, we need a new playeer. I hope we get a really good point guard. Trade Atkins and the 2nd round pick for TJ Ford or somethin like that
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Screw Rush, Hes had plenty of time to prove himself and hes done nothing, send his ass off, I denounce him!
He's had time to prove himself and he has...It's just that he's playing behind Kobe, man, you gotta understand that...This guy has star potential, and he's proven it in the past...I think if Rudy plays Kobe and Rush together instead of only using Rush as a back-up for when Kobe's tired, Rush could be a key Laker player...I thought he would improve this year, more so than he did last year...I really like Rush, and I hope Lakers don't make that stupid ass trade, but if they do, Rush will finally have a chance to REALLY prove himself...Looks like Rudy isn't really pushing the players that have potential: Luke Walton, Kareem Rush, Slava Mevadenko; all getting less time and playing worse than last year...I just hope Rudy gets them more involved in the near future...PeACe
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this actually is whats best for kareem rush, and laker fans should be proud of him. kareem's case is similar to devean george's, you'd think he would evolve into a superstar because you're always seeing the potential, but as long as hes a laker, it will never happen due to the fact that we don't need them to be superstars.
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Screw Rush, Hes had plenty of time to prove himself and hes done nothing, send his ass off, I denounce him!
He's had time to prove himself and he has...It's just that he's playing behind Kobe, man, you gotta understand that...This guy has star potential, and he's proven it in the past...I think if Rudy plays Kobe and Rush together instead of only using Rush as a back-up for when Kobe's tired, Rush could be a key Laker player...I thought he would improve this year, more so than he did last year...I really like Rush, and I hope Lakers don't make that stupid ass trade, but if they do, Rush will finally have a chance to REALLY prove himself...Looks like Rudy isn't really pushing the players that have potential: Luke Walton, Kareem Rush, Slava Mevadenko; all getting less time and playing worse than last year...I just hope Rudy gets them more involved in the near future...PeACe
couldn't have put it better myself
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Ouch. Id rather have Rush over the 2nd round pick..
yeah me too..
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that's great, I hate it when young talents starve .. (Milicic)
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I agree with the fact that this is the best thing for Rush. Rush is a good player who is caught behind the best player today. Not much playing time will come from being behind Kobe. The thing is also, both Rush and Kobe are both pure shooting guards, so it's hard to play them elsewhere. Kobe could play point or smal forward so Rush can have some time, but why move Kobe out of position to play Rush. I like Rush, I think Rush will be a great player someday, maybe an all-star, and on the Bobcats, he has a chance to prove himself. Backing up Kobe is a job that will get you very little playing time since Kobe has been known to play 48 minute games. So I am happy for Rush, I hate to see him go, but like D.Fish, you gotta do what you gotta do, wither it's for money or the chance to prove yourself as one of the best, you have to take it.
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http://www.nba.com/bobcats/
consider it done.
time to get an orange jersey, nik.
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Before Lakers traded Rush (it's official now), latimes.com was reporting about a trade involving D.George, traded for a draft pick or two. Lakers traded Rush instead of him. I'm happy about it, i prefeer George, no doubt. But still, it's a sad day for me.. I wish Rush all the best. Dunno what to add.
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That really sucks for the Lakers...Rush is one of those players that could have REALLY helped come playoff time...Lakers gave him up too easily...This was supposed to be Rush's breakthrough year with the Lakers, and now it looks as if his time will come in a different uniform...I seriously would rather have traded George over Rush...Lakers will regret this when Rush blows up...It looks like the Bobcat's general manager saw what I see in Rush, because he waived one of his top players (Eddie House) who was currently averaging more than Rush's season high (11.1 PPG)...Now the Lakers don't even have a back-up Shooting Guard...Today is a sad day in Laker history. :-\
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Yeah, it sucks....but Lakers just signed Tony Bobbit again....check out Lakers.com
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this actually is whats best for kareem rush, and laker fans should be proud of him. kareem's case is similar to devean george's, you'd think he would evolve into a superstar because you're always seeing the potential, but as long as hes a laker, it will never happen due to the fact that we don't need them to be superstars.
George and Rush are 2 different stories...George was given his chance last year when he started at Small Forward throughout most of the season...Fact is, George is nothing more than a decent role player...Lakers DID need him, because he was their only Small Forward, but he simply wasn't good enough to be considered a star...George will always remain an average player, unless he gets traded to a team like the Bulls (or some other whack team), where he would be able to establish himself as a star...Rush, on the other hand, is a Kobe type of player, and has so much star potential that teams are after him even when he's averaging less than a point a game...You guys will all see in the near future.
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Yeah, it sucks....but Lakers just signed Tony Bobbit again....check out Lakers.com
Good move if you ask me. He deserved a contract after a very good preseason.
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time to get an orange jersey, nik.
I won't sport a jersey if it's not the Lakers...Got the purple & yellow Kareem Rush jersey autographed hanging on my wall...I remain a fan of Kareem Rush's game, but I wont go as far as buying a jersey that doesn't represent my team.
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Yeah, it sucks....but Lakers just signed Tony Bobbit again....check out Lakers.com
Good move if you ask me. He deserved a contract after a very good preseason.
amen to that. and for the lakers current squad, bobbit would be a hell of a lot more useful
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this actually is whats best for kareem rush, and laker fans should be proud of him. kareem's case is similar to devean george's, you'd think he would evolve into a superstar because you're always seeing the potential, but as long as hes a laker, it will never happen due to the fact that we don't need them to be superstars.
George and Rush are 2 different stories...George was given his chance last year when he started at Small Forward throughout most of the season...Fact is, George is nothing more than a decent role player...Lakers DID need him, because he was their only Small Forward, but he simply wasn't good enough to be considered a star...George will always remain an average player, unless he gets traded to a team like the Bulls (or some other whack team), where he would be able to establish himself as a star...Rush, on the other hand, is a Kobe type of player, and has so much star potential that teams are after him even when he's averaging less than a point a game...You guys will all see in the near future.
but look at how george was doin when he started, he was averaging 10.5 points a game and 6 rebounds, very solid for a starter considering he had 4 all-stars on his team. but when rick fox started, george sank BADLY.
george did have a lot of potential, hes a athletic sean marion type player, but like i said for kareem rush (who i feel has even more potential than george), the lakers pretty much need NEITHER of the two as of now. so in the long run, i actually hope we end up tradin devean george this season as well
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Yeah, it sucks....but Lakers just signed Tony Bobbit again....check out Lakers.com
Good move if you ask me. He deserved a contract after a very good preseason.
amen to that. and for the lakers current squad, bobbit would be a hell of a lot more useful
Rudy T just loves Bobbit. I remember when it was a T.Brown vs T.Bobbit thang, for the last spot in the roster.
Rudy just didnt want to cut one of them.
And i remember Lakers talking about trading George for a round pick to sign both Bobbit AND Brown.
Now we've traded Rush, and we got George and Bobbit coming soon in the team.
It's a good move for me.
Bobbit is not as talented as Rush, but he's perfect for a Rudy T. team: good defence, great stamina, good shot, good leadership.
I like him, for real.
I've opened a topic about him this summer too, remember that?
I'm still sorry for Rush, but Bobbit is a good fix.
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this actually is whats best for kareem rush, and laker fans should be proud of him. kareem's case is similar to devean george's, you'd think he would evolve into a superstar because you're always seeing the potential, but as long as hes a laker, it will never happen due to the fact that we don't need them to be superstars.
George and Rush are 2 different stories...George was given his chance last year when he started at Small Forward throughout most of the season...Fact is, George is nothing more than a decent role player...Lakers DID need him, because he was their only Small Forward, but he simply wasn't good enough to be considered a star...George will always remain an average player, unless he gets traded to a team like the Bulls (or some other whack team), where he would be able to establish himself as a star...Rush, on the other hand, is a Kobe type of player, and has so much star potential that teams are after him even when he's averaging less than a point a game...You guys will all see in the near future.
but look at how george was doin when he started, he was averaging 10.5 points a game and 6 rebounds, very solid for a starter considering he had 4 all-stars on his team. but when rick fox started, george sank BADLY.
george did have a lot of potential, hes a athletic sean marion type player, but like i said for kareem rush (who i feel has even more potential than george), the lakers pretty much need NEITHER of the two as of now. so in the long run, i actually hope we end up tradin devean george this season as well
I agree. George for a good PG looks reasonable to me.
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this actually is whats best for kareem rush, and laker fans should be proud of him. kareem's case is similar to devean george's, you'd think he would evolve into a superstar because you're always seeing the potential, but as long as hes a laker, it will never happen due to the fact that we don't need them to be superstars.
George and Rush are 2 different stories...George was given his chance last year when he started at Small Forward throughout most of the season...Fact is, George is nothing more than a decent role player...Lakers DID need him, because he was their only Small Forward, but he simply wasn't good enough to be considered a star...George will always remain an average player, unless he gets traded to a team like the Bulls (or some other whack team), where he would be able to establish himself as a star...Rush, on the other hand, is a Kobe type of player, and has so much star potential that teams are after him even when he's averaging less than a point a game...You guys will all see in the near future.
but look at how george was doin when he started, he was averaging 10.5 points a game and 6 rebounds, very solid for a starter considering he had 4 all-stars on his team. but when rick fox started, george sank BADLY.
george did have a lot of potential, hes a athletic sean marion type player, but like i said for kareem rush (who i feel has even more potential than george), the lakers pretty much need NEITHER of the two as of now. so in the long run, i actually hope we end up tradin devean george this season as well
George was never consistent...One night he'd have 15 points and 7 rebounds and the next night he'd have 2 points and 1 rebound...He was falling off way before Rick Fox's return last season...He simply doesn't have star potential...I'm sure the Lakers could get a good trade going, something like Devean George & Chucky Atkins for Marko Jaric...It doesn't really matter, I'm just kinda' disappointed with todays trade...
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More proof that the Lakers are stupid- Tonight Kareem Rush had 14 points on 6 of 14 shooting, 5 rebounds, 2 steals, 1 block, 1 assist, and only 1 turnover in 27 minutes of playing... :-\
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More proof that the Lakers are stupid- Tonight Kareem Rush had 14 points on 6 of 14 shooting, 5 rebounds, 2 steals, 1 block, 1 assist, and only 1 turnover in 27 minutes of playing... :-\
Man we should wait to understand how good/bad was this move. One game doesnt change the things. If Rush was still a Lakers his stats were DNP (coach's decision), so..
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More proof that the Lakers are stupid- Tonight Kareem Rush had 14 points on 6 of 14 shooting, 5 rebounds, 2 steals, 1 block, 1 assist, and only 1 turnover in 27 minutes of playing... :-\
Man we should wait to understand how good/bad was this move. One game doesnt change the things. If Rush was still a Lakers his stats were DNP (coach's decision), so..
Shut up, I already know Kareem Rush is an excellent player...That's just more proof for you fuckers who ain't knowin'...His first game with the team and he's already putting up star-like numbers...Anyone in their right mind will tell you this was a dumbass trade... ::)
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Dumbass trade? Man it's obvious Rudy T prefeers Bobbit to Rush. So how can you call it a dumbass trade? It's what the coach wants.
If you dont like it, then it's YOUR opinion. I still prefeer Rudy T's one tho'. No disrespect.
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Too bad Tony Bobbit is a nobody and Kareem Rush has been highly recruited since High School...Plus, he continues putting up star like numbers; 15 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals, and 1 block in 27 minutes this Friday against Phoenix...You're the kind of person that won't see how dumb this trade is until Kareem Rush is actually regarded as a star... ::)
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His 3rd game in and he's already proving consistency...
13 points on 5-10 shooting, 1-3 3-point field goals, 2-3 free throws, and 3 rebounds in 26 minutes...
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Too bad Tony Bobbit is a nobody and Kareem Rush has been highly recruited since High School...Plus, he continues putting up star like numbers; 15 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals, and 1 block in 27 minutes this Friday against Phoenix...You're the kind of person that won't see how dumb this trade is until Kareem Rush is actually regarded as a star... ::)
No no, i loved Rush too. But i'm confident in Rudy T. I mean he didnt think Rush was necessary for the team, so Lakers basically cutted him. And Rudy T has coached/seen Bobbit for 14 games this preseason, and he loved him. For sure Rush has more talent, but Bobbit is a good bench player (was a bench player in Uni too, 6th man of the year in his Conference), a better role player. I dont know, i'm positive. I want to judge it in the next year, when Lakers will have Bobbit + 2 rookies instead of Rush.
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Too bad Tony Bobbit is a nobody and Kareem Rush has been highly recruited since High School...Plus, he continues putting up star like numbers; 15 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals, and 1 block in 27 minutes this Friday against Phoenix...You're the kind of person that won't see how dumb this trade is until Kareem Rush is actually regarded as a star... ::)
No no, i loved Rush too. But i'm confident in Rudy T. I mean he didnt think Rush was necessary for the team, so Lakers basically cutted him. And Rudy T has coached/seen Bobbit for 14 games this preseason, and he loved him. For sure Rush has more talent, but Bobbit is a good bench player (was a bench player in Uni too, 6th man of the year in his Conference), a better role player. I dont know, i'm positive. I want to judge it in the next year, when Lakers will have Bobbit + 2 rookies instead of Rush.
They don't get all them rookies next year.. they just get the regular picks nba teams get, the bobcats picks will take a while.. Im not sure about the first, but the 2nd is in 2008 or something if I recall right..
To me it looks like Lakers are giving good players for more decent players.. like trading quality for quantity..
Shaq --> Odom, Grant, Butler, Pick
Payton --> Mihm, Atkins, Jumaine
Rush --> 2 2nd round picks
Not sure if this is a good strategy.. I mean only 5 players can play at a time, huh?
What's next? Trading Kobe Bryant for the entire Atlanta Hawks Roster?
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They don't get all them rookies next year.. they just get the regular picks nba teams get, the bobcats picks will take a while.. Im not sure about the first, but the 2nd is in 2008 or something if I recall right..
To me it looks like Lakers are giving good players for more decent players.. like trading quality for quantity..
Shaq --> Odom, Grant, Butler, Pick
Payton --> Mihm, Atkins, Jumaine
Rush --> 2 2nd round picks
Not sure if this is a good strategy.. I mean only 5 players can play at a time, huh?
What's next? Trading Kobe Bryant for the entire Atlanta Hawks Roster?
Man i personally i think you are disrespecting Lakers trades too much.
Shaq? He wanted a contract extension. If Lakers signed him, bye bye salary cap for the next 5 years, and probably bye bye Kobe. So imo they did the right thing, and i'm very happy they did it. Odom and Butler are two good players (with small contracts), and Grant has a huge contract about to expire. Perfect for us, perfect to be under the cap in 2007. On a side note, Lakers record without Shaq is 12-8 (0.600) in the WC, Miami's record with Shaq is 15-7 in the East Coast (0.682)..... and Shaq is making the worst numbers of his career (lowest in points since he joined the NBA, maximum in TO since his rookie year, lowest steals since he joined the NBA, lowest in assist since 1998, lowest in rebounds since 1998, lowest in FT% since he joined the NBA, lowest minutes played per game since he joined the NBA, etc..).
Payton? C'mon, the same guy who was benched by Phil Jackson in all the 4th quarters last year? We received Atkins (not a great PG, but a good backup PG, imo, who's scoring just 1 point per game less than Payton..), Jumaine Jones (who's playing great basketball and just made 22 points in a quarter -7/8 from 3pts- yesterday night), and Mihm (25 points last night, very good season for him till now). Plus a pick.
They are two great trades for us, imo.
About Rush, like i said, we can say everything we want, but the only fact not arguable is that Rudy T didnt like this guy and that he liked Bobbit more than him. So..............
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On a long term basis the first 2 trades are good trades. Still, the scheme is: Quality for Quantity, which can still be good.
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Well.. nobody offered Duncan of Kidd of Shaq and Payton.. Once you decide to trade them players, you gotta accept the best deal possible. And Lakers did it, imo. Yeah, quality for quantity. But considering Lakers are building a new team from zero, i can accept it for now.
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good for Rush 8)