West Coast Connection Forum
Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: ZILLA THA GOODFELLA on December 10, 2004, 10:28:43 AM
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is it because we juss have way more cutthroat muthafucaz out here or what? that's all I can think of....we juss so different and take shit so seriously....over time, I've learned how to chill more and stay laid back about situations and different issues, but it seems the people that I grew up with are juss gettin more ruthless about shit and losing all kinds of hope....so it's like society is juss gettin worse and worse.... in that bowling for columbine dvd, it was showin how every country in Europe etc has like 100/200/300 murders by a gun per year etc, then when it came to U.S.A it was like 12,000 or some shit, it was incredible. And U can't blame it on guns, I bet U we have em available to us juss as much as they do. This shit came to my mind cuzz 1 of my boys is real fucked up rite now over his best friend gettin killed tha other day, I kno how it feels, my best friend at 14 died also, but thing is this year San Francisco is suppose 2 be hitting murder records with like over 80 gang-related murder rate so far. shed some light on it........
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Handgun murders (1992) (22)
Handgun 1992 Handgun Murder
Country Murders Population Rate (per 100,000)
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United States 13,429 254,521,000 5.28
Switzerland 97 6,828,023 1.42
Canada 128 27,351,509 0.47
Sweden 36 8,602,157 0.42
Australia 13 17,576,354 0.07
United Kingdom 33 57,797,514 0.06
Japan 60 124,460,481 0.05
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Yeah, I think you're right about people just taking things too seriously. I mean, Canadians and Americans are pretty similar but we're very laid back up here in comparison, and you can see that with gun related murders.
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it also has to do with the fact that we have very strict gun laws and i would not say they are as easily avaliable here as they are in america where u can buy them in walmart, americans have a thing a about guns and thats gonna be a way to release your anger in a moment of fury if you had stricter laws less people would have guns thus gun crime will go down, if your police can't control the underground thats another matter.
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i honestly cant explain the reason why america has such a high murder rate.
What do you blame it on? The way the kids are being raised?
Thats the only thing i can think of.
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the reason really is that we dont have people walking around with guns.. they're illegal apart from for hunting.
IF SO MANY PEOPLE DONT HAVE ACCESS TO GUNS THEY CANT KILL PEOPLE WITH THEM.
I bet U we have em available to us juss as much as they do.
SORRY ROD>>> TOTALLY TOTALLY WRONGG!! AMERICA IS THE GUN CAPITAL OF THE WORLD!
if i wanted a gun right now this second.. even with 1000s of pounds on me i have **no idea** where to get one... you cant just walk in somewhere and buy one!
no one over here is allowed to own a handgun, or keep shotguns in their home unless they have a licence for sporting use, and u cant buy one without a licence.
of course criminals are getting guns.. but its much harder.
so the only commonly available ones are 12 bores and rifles from hunting and fishing places.
i've never seen a real handgun.. i've used a high powered rifle and shotgun only because my boss lives in the country and we shot at targets and clay pigeons on his old estate land.
pretty simple really... people dont have guns. death by guns goes down.
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its how trauma once said, America is the best at everything, good and bad things.
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there are more of ya'll.. so its bound to be that way :D
but still... i feel my point about accessibility to guns is very important.
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It's true... if I wanted a gun, I could just go to this guy I know, pay him like $50-60 and I would have a gun.
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I think its more of a cultural problem than a problem of gun control. The U.S. has a significant gap between rich and poor, and we are a rather stratified society.
I blame a lot of the problem on racism. Actual its more a result of our racist past than our racist present. Gangs are a product of segregation. You take away someone's ability to achieve, and they find other forms of accomplishment. Tupac actually talked a lot about this in his rhymes.
People join gangs because they are looking for some form of regcognition.
Also while we are the wealthiest society, we are not the happiest society, and I would assume there is a relationship between violence and Gross National Happiness. But in this case, I'm really just giving a personal opinion. I'm not extremely knowledgeable on this subject.
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O, if you'll check the graph provided, you'll see you're wrong about the handgun laws. I blame the problems on the parents who've raised, or not raised these people to be like this.
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i took a deviant behavior class and we studied homicide rates for about 2-3 weeks. my professor has worked for the cia and the state police and is currently on the parole board around here.
the murder rate is a mixture of lots of different things... society, immigration, law....
here's some of my notes.
- homicide is rare
- less than 1% of violent crimes are homicide
- 2003 16,503 homicides in the US
- 1 every 31 minutes
- 6 per 100,000 a year
other crimes per 100,000 people
theft 7200
accidental/natural death 1100
robbery 600
rape 200
suicide 12
homicide 6
fire 3
- you're twice likely to kill yourself, than die by homicide
other country's rate per 100,000
us 9
ca 2
eng 2
swi 2
fra 3
ger 1
lifetime victimization rates
1 out of 133 people will die by homicide
based on race and gender
white male 1/131
white female 1/369
black female 1/104
black male 1/21
risk factors in new york city
w. male 1/65
b male 1/20
black males have a better chance living through the iraqi war than living in new york city
world trends:
- less economically developed areas = higher rate
- more masculinized beliefs = higher rates
homicide by gender
offenders 91% male 9% female
victims 77% male 23% female
88% of males offenders murder males
90% of female offenders murder males
homicide by race
offenders 51% black 46% white 3% other
victims 49% black 49% white 2% other
90% of murders are INTRAracial
92% of black offenders murder blacks
84% of white offenders murder whites
age and social class
offenders 57% < 25years old
victims 50% 20-34 year old range
90% of all murders occur in the lower class range
geography
south 44%
west 22%
midwest 21%
northeast 13%
most homicides occur in either large metro or rural areas
personal history
violent pasts
-64% of offenders have prior arrest records
- 66% have prior aggravated assualt charges
victim/offender relationship
48% related/acquainted
39% unknown
14% stranger to stranger
time
Summer
December
Weekends
Saturday nights
weaponry
70% firearms
13% knives, cutting instrument
9% blunt objects, poison, explosives
5% personal weapons (hands/feet)
Locations
males murder indoor or out door
indoors it's usually the bedroom
females murder mostly indoors and mostly in the kitchen
Motive
32% start off as arguements
19% during other felonies
1% romantic triangles
- majority of homicides involve alcohol
-25% of homicides, the victim has precipitated the homicide
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you can put a graph on the internet which is 12 years out of date i may add before even tighter rules came into play but it doesn't nessarily mean you get the whole picture of from that graph. those were bad years near the end lots of people lost loads of money in the value of their home in many cases they ended up owing more than they were worth, there was recession and there was the poll tax which caused roits.
by the way overseer the current laws are if you own shot guns n shit you have to keep them at a club or hidden away in a cage which the police come and inspect before you can get the liscense to hold it on your property.
but thats not to say we don't have a gun problem as there are obviously people who gets guns illegally, but most ordinary people have a very hard time getting hold of one its not like they are on display in shops.
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Thanks for those stats Dangerfield... some interesting shit.
When it comes to healthcare, it is widely known that our country takes a interventionist approach, rather than a preventative one.... and in my opinion, it is doing the same with guns. If our government really wanted to, it could keep guns/drugs out of the "ghettos".
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Crime/Murder in U.S. discussed without anybody getting over-defensive :o :o :o
Thanks for those stats Dangerfield... some interesting shit.
Yeah.
That graph Engel posted is kinda funny though..
There's more and more violent crime in U.K., but less people own guns now.........
It would be interesting to see the people killed/hurt statistics compared to those graphs, I guess less guns would mean less deadly violent crime..
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I don't think the accessablility has a whole lot to do with it, but I'm sure it does affect it someway. People are gonna get around it. I mean do you seriously think there are people out there who think "well I want to kill this person, but I don't have access to a gun....hmmm....I guess this person can live." I doubt it.
I don't know what it is. I think it is a whole blend of problems in general. access to guns, the way people are raised, the environment you grow up in, your social skills, your monetary problems, emotions, fits of rage, and more. I think they all add up to it.
I really don't know anything about any other country, but I would maybe say that a lot of american's really don't have many values and morals these days.
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i disagree.. accessibility is a huge part..
look at what i said above, and what jamal said.. he said he can get a gun quick if he wanted one.. whereas i said i cant even get one no matter how much money i have.
i dont understand why you americans dont get it... we dont have guns.. our police dont carry guns.. they dont need to!
we have armed units for each area as gun crime is so uncommon!
the way criminals used to get shotguns/rifiles is by stealing them from someones home.. this is why the locked cabinet/gun club rule ka rule mentioned has been introduced. handguns have -never- been legal here.
i hear that the way handguns are getting onto the streets now is either by smuggling, or by people buying disabled guns from abroad and getting them reenabled (adding a new firing pin..)
like i said.. i doubt i have ever seen a real live handgun in my life.. well not inside this country anyways.
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Well... what leads someone to kill another human being?
- The way they were raised? (possibly)
- The availabilty of weapons? (possibly)
- The amount of Television they watch? (possibly)
- The music they listen too? (possibly)
- What happened to them as children? (possibly)
- The amount of violence they were exposed to? (possibly)
Why does america have the highest murder rate? There are so many possiblities... It doesnt really matter... What do the people of America plan to do about it?
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whats are the gun laws like down under etiquette?
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Our laws severely restrict the private possesion of firearms in Australia, All gun club members must be registered, and all self-loading centre rifles and shot guns are banned. Licensing is a prerequisite to firearm possession and must meet storage standards....
Bleh... Not like many of us have/use guns, extremely rare...... I haven't even seen one before
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so not much different than it is in england then. :)
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Ignorance is the reason why because folks feel that the only way to solve shit is by murder, what ever happened to talking shit out and not wasting a clip?
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Gun Ownership is not the problem...I can tell you that rite now because in Brazil we have one of the highest murder rates(over 45,000p year) and guns are illegal and if you get caught with one your gunna get at least 4-6 years in jail
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Guns could be a big part of the problem but its the mentality of the person thats fucked. WHY do we have so many violent minded people is the question. If someone wants to kill, they will kill with or without a gun. FIX THE MENTALITY
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1 out of 133 people will die by homicide
thats kinda scarry