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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: R-Tistic on January 20, 2005, 08:52:22 PM
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Every since the Game came out, people mainly on this board have argued how there have been many better rappers than him who would blow up just as big if they had the chance to. Now we see that he actually is gonna be successful, due to various reasons, I want to ask y'all. Do you still think that anybody else from the west could have been THIS successful under the exact same circumstances and hype surrounding them that Game had aroudn him? I don't mean the shit about his gang affiliation or bein shot, but just as far as him part of the Iovine hype machine and havin the commercials, Dre production, TRL and Kimmel appearances and all that.
Personally, I think we all must admit that Game brought heat lyrically, and that he was not just an average rapper on dope ass beats. On the real, I don't think it is too many others that could have actually done as well on every single beat that he was on. Other than Crooked I, I don't think there are too many other west coasters that could rip every beat on there, because the production was very diverse. "Put you on the game" "Dreams" "Start from scratch" "Don't worry" "Church for thugs" shit I can go on and on about how different each beat was and how he still came correct on em. We can say that Dre is the reason he came like he did on these tracks, maybe because of him bein coached or whatever, but regardless, he killed em all. Aside from that, as much as I don't really like sayin it, all the negativity around him as far as street cred goes always sells. Even though there are the people in LA who swear he was this and that, and he was not from here and he got beat up there, overall, most people who don't know as much will see that he is real about his and that always sells.
So....how would you call it?
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The opening is here once again now that games release is a certified hit. It's just a matter if the west is gonna follow and step through that. But people here need to be open minded and realize that there doesnt need to be Zapp samples in the songs for it to be westcoast. i really dont care what an artist sounds like or what he rhymes over as long as he has that westcoast mentality and reps it to the fullest, similar to game.
Hip hop works on different levels with the artists, including the heavy hitters which game can become and we have to support that. no, he is not ras kass or crook. but you have to realize that even though those guys are undoubtedly legendary spitters to us, the artists dearest to us may not be the ones that come out the box and jumpstart this. no matter how it develops, as long as the artists in the forefront have that westcoast mentality and are somewhat legit with their background we have to support in hopes for a future where these not so known artists like crooked i and roscoe can come up and reach the main consumer.
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I think game is hella talented, the nigga got lyrics. But one thing that he was able to do, that I think allot of westcoast rappers would have struggled with was making that crossover to the eastcoast. Game was also good at curtailin his flow on some songs for radio hits or crossover hits. Crooked i is tight, but i think thats somethin he stuggles with at times. And for all that hatin that was goin against the west, i think game was the perfect person to break us back in, u know, give em some west lil by little, until we back on top. I dont think a nigga like C-BO or Jayo would be in the same position as game right now. But now, a nigga like c-bo, or sly, or crooked, or daz, or any westcoast nigga thats stuggled, will be able to make moves a lil easier now. Shit, now would be the time for a nigga like crooked to make some serious moves.
And watch out for quikster, i have a feelin, if he drop within a month or 2, he could do some damage. Im talkin some tonite damage. And in the worse case, if game dont make it easier for the westcoast, then we right were we been at, no harm no foul. But at least these mutfucka's was reminded about Compton, NWA, and just fuckin westcoast period. But it doest seem likely, seein that Billboard was next after Game, and that nigga was straight westcoast gangasta period, east coast nothin.
IE
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Every since the Game came out, people mainly on this board have argued how there have been many better rappers than him who would blow up just as big if they had the chance to. Now we see that he actually is gonna be successful, due to various reasons, I want to ask y'all. Do you still think that anybody else from the west could have been THIS successful under the exact same circumstances and hype surrounding them that Game had aroudn him? I don't mean the shit about his gang affiliation or bein shot, but just as far as him part of the Iovine hype machine and havin the commercials, Dre production, TRL and Kimmel appearances and all that.
Personally, I think we all must admit that Game brought heat lyrically, and that he was not just an average rapper on dope ass beats. On the real, I don't think it is too many others that could have actually done as well on every single beat that he was on. Other than Crooked I, I don't think there are too many other west coasters that could rip every beat on there, because the production was very diverse. "Put you on the game" "Dreams" "Start from scratch" "Don't worry" "Church for thugs" shit I can go on and on about how different each beat was and how he still came correct on em. We can say that Dre is the reason he came like he did on these tracks, maybe because of him bein coached or whatever, but regardless, he killed em all. Aside from that, as much as I don't really like sayin it, all the negativity around him as far as street cred goes always sells. Even though there are the people in LA who swear he was this and that, and he was not from here and he got beat up there, overall, most people who don't know as much will see that he is real about his and that always sells.
So....how would you call it?
On point. Game is real dope and served those beats on "The Documentary". Geat debut album and its great to see the westcoast in the spotlight regardless of whos doing it.
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I think game is hella talented, the nigga got lyrics. But one thing that he was able to do, that I think allot of westcoast rappers would have struggled with was making that crossover to the eastcoast. Game was also good at curtailin his flow on some songs for radio hits or crossover hits. Crooked i is tight, but i think thats somethin he stuggles with at times. And for all that hatin that was goin against the west, i think game was the perfect person to break us back in, u know, give em some west lil by little, until we back on top. I dont think a nigga like C-BO or Jayo would be in the same position as game right now. But now, a nigga like c-bo, or sly, or crooked, or daz, or any westcoast nigga thats stuggled, will be able to make moves a lil easier now. Shit, now would be the time for a nigga like crooked to make some serious moves.
And watch out for quikster, i have a feelin, if he drop within a month or 2, he could do some damage. Im talkin some tonite damage. And in the worse case, if game dont make it easier for the westcoast, then we right were we been at, no harm no foul. But at least these mutfucka's was reminded about Compton, NWA, and just fuckin westcoast period. But it doest seem likely, seein that Billboard was next after Game, and that nigga was straight westcoast gangasta period, east coast nothin.
IE
damn real talk.
yea, that crossover ability is vital. game is getting mega support in the tri-state area because of his ability to appeal to them as well as the westcoast
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I think game is hella talented, the nigga got lyrics. But one thing that he was able to do, that I think allot of westcoast rappers would have struggled with was making that crossover to the eastcoast. Game was also good at curtailin his flow on some songs for radio hits or crossover hits. Crooked i is tight, but i think thats somethin he stuggles with at times. And for all that hatin that was goin against the west, i think game was the perfect person to break us back in, u know, give em some west lil by little, until we back on top. I dont think a nigga like C-BO or Jayo would be in the same position as game right now. But now, a nigga like c-bo, or sly, or crooked, or daz, or any westcoast nigga thats stuggled, will be able to make moves a lil easier now. Shit, now would be the time for a nigga like crooked to make some serious moves.
And watch out for quikster, i have a feelin, if he drop within a month or 2, he could do some damage. Im talkin some tonite damage. And in the worse case, if game dont make it easier for the westcoast, then we right were we been at, no harm no foul. But at least these mutfucka's was reminded about Compton, NWA, and just fuckin westcoast period. But it doest seem likely, seein that Billboard was next after Game, and that nigga was straight westcoast gangasta period, east coast nothin.
IE
i agree, at least someone's in tha spotlight for tha west right now...it's what we need right now in order to get tha attention back
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Real talk. The point is that the West is being repped and that's always good. Listen to any track on The Documentary... there's no way you can listen to one of those tracks and still ask "Where's this fool from?" Every track is solid! I just finished watching 106 & Park and he had people from Brooklyn wearing black T's with "Compton" across the chest! He's on stage with 50 and he's holding his own... and then you look at who's commanding the beat and it's none other than the legendary DJ Quik. West up people!
Game just dropped a classic Westcoast album. The beats are all over the place and he comes correct on all of them. What matters is that the West is in the spotlight... PERIOD.
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now that Game has done it, other people need to step on up to the plate and keep the west in the spotlight
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now that Game has done it, other people need to step on up to the plate and keep the west in the spotlight
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Oh come on, Game didn't blow up because of no westcoast shit. He's having success because he sounds east, regardless of what he reps (in case he repped west, cause it's been proved he hollas more east than west in his cd) and mainly cause until track #6 I thought I was listening to a 50 cent record.
Forget about Dre, Game wouldn't be shit without 50.
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Well, to take Crooked I for instance...if he was down with Iovine & had as much promotion as Game had, I'm sure the same thing would've happened to Crook.
Most of these G-Unit fans don't really care about who the artist is...they just see that this or that rapper is signed to G-Unit/Aftermath, and they find him tight from the jump.
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Exactly what my friend Crafty said.
Crooked has so much respect within the industry, Russel Simmons said he was one of his favorite MC's. Given the push of INTERSCOPE / AFTERMATH, Crooked I would gain a whole new audience and get Main stream success. Because Death Row don't get radio play anymore, thats why Crooked I had no chance over there.
Crooked I has alot of love online, but offline only in the US. Its like here in England, those people who dont use the NET still dont know who The Game is.
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Only reading half of the origional post & the last crooked I ones, i gotta say 'prety much anyone with a little talent would have blowen up as Game did' if they had dre and a machine behind them.
MC's like Crooked I, Phil The Agony, Sly Boogie, most of them underground cats could do the same if dre & camp was producing & promoting them. Especially if they signed with fiddy cent maan - that must have been pure publicity stunt. all them eastcoast hip-pop listeners all love game now right?
Anyone with the right promotion can & will blow up. where do u think all these talentless pop princesses keep comin from. (not all of them are talentless, but there are the shiit singing pop artists & they were just in the right place at the right time).
-pz
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Exactly what my friend Crafty said.
Crooked has so much respect within the industry, Russel Simmons said he was one of his favorite MC's. Given the push of INTERSCOPE / AFTERMATH, Crooked I would gain a whole new audience and get Main stream success. Because Death Row don't get radio play anymore, thats why Crooked I had no chance over there.
Crooked I has alot of love online, but offline only in the US. Its like here in England, those people who dont use the NET still dont know who The Game is.
that is exactly right. The Game is talented he has done a classic IN MY OPINION. evry1 is entitled to an opinion, but jus like Que said at the moment no one know who the game is his video is only startin to get played on The Box (british shit pop station) but with the right promotion anyone can achieve anythin jus stick an unknown rapper with dre or eminem and he is a platinum rapper over here! thats why i predict sat qou wil be huge over here as well
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Danny, glad we agree :)
He dropped a Classic album, but I dont think GAME will reach 50 Cent / Eminem / Dre status, because his album doesnt have a stand out single.
Another thing I feel, in todays Rap Business, you need a HIT "Single", and one that will STICK in your mind. Just as Eminem did with "My Name Is", 50 Cent "In Da Club", Petey Pablo "Freak A Leak"...... all over MTV, 24 hours per day..... The Game's album lacks that song. I think.
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Most people on this board who don't like The Game do it for the following reasons:
-They like other rappers from the West more. However, those rappers don't have any success and noone opens threads about them cause noone gives a fuck. They think that's unfair.
-They knew of Game before Dre signed him. They think dudes need a license to like Game, so they don't want noone to like Game since he's on the biggest Label ever in Rap.
-They have underground syndrom and don't like rappers who are liked by most rap-fans just for the hell of it.
Now, since his Album is undeniably good, they just don't listen to the Album - because listening to it and saying it sucks would make them look like complete morons.
I hope Game sells as much as possible, with people in the West bumping his shit like there's no tomorrow - just to piss them haters off.
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-They have underground syndrom and don't like rappers who are liked by most rap-fans just for the hell of it.
^thats me ;D
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-They have underground syndrom and don't like rappers who are liked by most rap-fans just for the hell of it.
^thats me ;D
At least youre not in denial like 90% of those people ;) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/Themes/dubcc/images/post/thumbup.gif)
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In some ways, I believe that hype promotion and marketing can guarantee success, in the way that somebody mentioned the talentless pop princesses, and even the Timberlake esque type of artists. But at the same time, especially in rap, it takes more to appeal to EVERYBODY because there are many people who don't just buy the shit because it's "hot" but because it is good music. That's why I don't think you could just stick anybody into Game's spot and say they'd do as good as he did. Dre picked him for a reason to be the one to "ressurect" the west, whether it's because of his street cred and that he's from Compton, or because of the fact he soudns east coast. Compton alone makes him sell a lot more, because Compton and South Central DEFINITELY the two most influential locations in the LA area and basically on the whole west coast that people will link to west coast rap. Do you think Sly coulda been this big reppin IE? And I hope nobody from the Bay comes with that "that is stupid because the roughest places in California are in the bay" type shit, because regardless of what cities really have the most crime or drug activity, Compton and South Central are the ones that everybody in the world knows, period. You can also argue Long Beach in there because of Snoop. Sayin that, I don't think there are too many rappers who are actually from Cpt or South Central who could become this successful at this point in time.
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Nice thread. I love analyzing hip-hop so let me add my two cents...
1- Yeah, people can't keep hating saying that the Game is a success just cause of his associations with Aftermath/G-Unit. It's more than that. Because if it were that easy than Hitman, Rakim, and all those other Aftermath artists would have blown up... but Dre dropped them from the label.
2- But we know Game isn't the best, for one obvious reason, and that is, he lacks origionality. Eazy E was an origional, DOC was an origional, Snoop was an origional, Eminem was an origional... but unfortunately, the Game is just a cross between Loydd Banks, 50 Cent, and any prototype West Coast gangsta rapper. He just followed the same formula that's been done 100 times before.
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this is the most positive thread ive read in a wrong time....i just wanna get my word in before some fool spoils it all
i dont really like game's style but it does have a mainstream appeal...and this is a good album....and it deserves to sell well.....cant wait for quik to drop next
peace
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What about G Black hes from the CPT
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It's time for all these other westcoast artists to step up and make some moves... but i think more importantly, if Dre and Game are truly about resurrecting the West, then they need to be open to collabos. Now that Game has the buzz and known to be from the West, he needs to start dropping songs with Crooked I, Guerilla Black, Sly Boogy, etc.
I also think that a lot of people are not seeing how Snoop's recent success with "Drop It Like It's Hot" has really helped The Game. When people see/hear Snoop they think Westcoast rap superstar that was discovered by Dr. Dre (I'm not talking about the hip-hop heads out there... I'm talking about average rap/pop consumers). The Game was promoted as Dr. Dre's newest protege from Compton. So in some way, I think that seeing Snoop still doing it big, they are giving The Game a shot. What do you think?
I hope "Where I'm From" becomes one of the singles. Can you imagine a video with shots of sunny So. Cal, lolos, BBQ's at the park, palm trees, with cameos of all the westcoast vets (Warren, Nate, Cube, Snoop, Dre, Quik, etc.)? That would be straight heat!
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What about G Black hes from the CPT
LOL...he moved there a year or two ago. We can argue about how many west coast rappers moved to LA and didn't grow up there, but with G Black, it is a lot different. For one, it's COMPTON, and Compton people have a different sort of pride from anybody else in LA or in the west. To claim Compton and really get away with it, you not only have to grow up there or go to high school there, but you have to have some street cred there, and people HAVE to know who you are way before you blow up. You wouldn't believe how many haters Game has in Compton, even though most people know the facts. G Black moved to Compton sometime around 2003 and that's just somethin you can't do and get away with claimin Cpt. I don't know too many people personally in Cpt who actually like him and that Cpt song, especially since he's an imitation Biggie.
So basically...that's just part of the reason he would not be as successful as Game, even though he's from Compton.
Now back on topic....
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Crooked I, Sly Boogy, Ras Kass, Scipio, Trensetta, Planet Asia, Balance, Locksmith, Sick Jacken, Casual, Xzibit, Tash, Defari and plenty more are MUCH better lyrically than Game.
Bottom line, when Game was with Get Low, NOBODY, I'm sure including yourself, gave one fuck about him. The moment he got the Interscope machine behind him, a 50 Cent hook (which is damn near like a Nate Dogg hook nowadays) and a Dre beat, people hopped on the bandwagon. ANYONE in Game's posistion would've blown up, period.
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http://comptongame.com/
^ Am I the only one that didn't know of this site? :grumpy:
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Well, he sold more than Joe Buddens did in one week ;D
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Crooked I, Sly Boogy, Ras Kass, Scipio, Trensetta, Planet Asia, Balance, Locksmith, Sick Jacken, Casual, Xzibit, Tash, Defari and plenty more are MUCH better lyrically than Game.
Bottom line, when Game was with Get Low, NOBODY, I'm sure including yourself, gave one fuck about him. The moment he got the Interscope machine behind him, a 50 Cent hook (which is damn near like a Nate Dogg hook nowadays) and a Dre beat, people hopped on the bandwagon. ANYONE in Game's posistion would've blown up, period.
Nobody gave a fuck about Game when he was with Get Low because nobody knew who he was. How can u care about someone who u don't even know about? I didn't hear Game until R Tistic posted up all of his songs over a year ago............And not ANYONE would have blown up in Games position. I don't care how ill of a lyricist u are, u gotta have some cross over appeal.
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^^Interscope made him a somebody. He'd still a nobody to all of you, even if he made songs like How We Do or Higher, if he wasn't with Interscope.
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Obie Trice had the machine, the video with Eminem and the Nate Dogg hook/Dre beat but still didnt blow up that much... Truth Hurt had a big single and never sold that much either
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someone brought up a good point with Hittman
he was from CA and he was signed with Dre. how come Dre didn't follow through and make him a superstar? it takes more than just association. and Dre needs the right type of artist to mold into a superstar, so he saw the potential in game and ran through with it.
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someone brought up a good point with Hittman
he was from CA and he was signed with Dre. how come Dre didn't follow through and make him a superstar? it takes more than just association. and Dre needs the right type of artist to mold into a superstar, so he saw the potential in game and ran through with it.
yup pretty much how i feel
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I don't think "any" artist could do the same as him, but many westcoast artists have more skill than game, but like I've said a million times before, its not about skill, its about appeal. I think Roscoe is a perfect example of a rapper that would be in the same position as Game, if he had the right backing. Philiphornia shoulda blown up huge, it had it all. Maybe a lil too laid back for the mainstream, but still I think he coulda gone platinum if that record was promoted right.
I just don't think rappers like crooked I or sly boogy have the appeal to really blow up. Sure real rap heads have mad respect for both these artists, but lets face it, what percentage of music buyers are real rap heads? 10%, 15% at the most.
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Crooked I, Sly Boogy, Ras Kass, Scipio, Trensetta, Planet Asia, Balance, Locksmith, Sick Jacken, Casual, Xzibit, Tash, Defari and plenty more are MUCH better lyrically than Game.
Bottom line, when Game was with Get Low, NOBODY, I'm sure including yourself, gave one fuck about him. The moment he got the Interscope machine behind him, a 50 Cent hook (which is damn near like a Nate Dogg hook nowadays) and a Dre beat, people hopped on the bandwagon. ANYONE in Game's posistion would've blown up, period.
You are very interesting. First up, as I said, we all know that there are better LYRICISTS, but does that mean they woulda automatically blown up because of that?
Don't even say anything dumb like that about Game bein with Get Low...for one, I couldn't give a fuck about him, because I didn't know who he was!!! And bein very very honest, most of his older material wasn't anywhere near the level of his newer stuff. I bought "Untold story" and if he had rapped the same way on this album, I wouldn't even like him all that much because he just wasn't as good, period. I didn't really start feelin his shit in a real way til about a year and some ago. So just because he's with Interscope and all doesn't mean that EVERYBODY hopped on his bandwagon and liked him. Some people do that, but definitely not me.
And with everybody you mentioned, only a few of them really would blow up THIS big if they were in this position. Lookin at it as far as image, diversity and bein able to spit on different kinds of tracks, and just personality, most of them are nowhere close to Game. So let's remember that even if it shouldn't be about image and all, it definitely is. Lyrics definitely don't mean everything.
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there's a lot of rappers in the west i like a lot more than game and quite a few albums that where better(yukmouth's godzilla is waaaay better)...it goes to show you only Dre can resurrect the west
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someone brought up a good point with Hittman
he was from CA and he was signed with Dre. how come Dre didn't follow through and make him a superstar? it takes more than just association. and Dre needs the right type of artist to mold into a superstar, so he saw the potential in game and ran through with it.
Thats because they put Game in G-Unit. 50 promoted Game more than Dre did everyone started listening to him when he became a member of G-Unit not many people were listening to him back when he was just signed to Aftermath doing songs with Joey Beast
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well i dont think they coulda put anyone in G-unit
they needed/wanted a cali-gangbanger image to fit the niche, and it seems like game fit that the best
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I don't think "any" artist could do the same as him, but many westcoast artists have more skill than game, but like I've said a million times before, its not about skill, its about appeal. I think Roscoe is a perfect example of a rapper that would be in the same position as Game, if he had the right backing. Philiphornia shoulda blown up huge, it had it all. Maybe a lil too laid back for the mainstream, but still I think he coulda gone platinum if that record was promoted right.
I just don't think rappers like crooked I or sly boogy have the appeal to really blow up. Sure real rap heads have mad respect for both these artists, but lets face it, what percentage of music buyers are real rap heads? 10%, 15% at the most.
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Sayin that, I don't think there are too many rappers who are actually from Cpt or South Central who could become this successful at this point in time.
Well, a lot of you will probably disagree with me on this one (because IV Life still hasn't released an album), but I think that IV Life Records could be a major player in the Hip-Hop industry.
First of all, apparently these guys have a huge reputation in the streets (they started off with the Mafia IV Life Car Club in South Central). So they got the street-credibility thing definitely on lock...
Secondly, they got some big connections: they've made songs with Snoop, Ice Cube...they also have a good relationship with the radiostations in LA (I heard that The Beat promotes IV Life [especially Steve Harvey] and Power 106 too.
And thirdly, they're not just good at making good West Coast Hip-Hop, they've proven they're capable of making "chart-singles" with that commercial sound to it. Which is also important if you wanna blow up...
Well anyway...I said that just to prove that it is possible to blow up in the industry, but you can't do it yourself apparently. You always have to be connected to some major players in the game...
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Sayin that, I don't think there are too many rappers who are actually from Cpt or South Central who could become this successful at this point in time.
Well, a lot of you will probably disagree with me on this one (because IV Life still hasn't released an album), but I think that IV Life Records could be a major player in the Hip-Hop industry.
First of all, apparently these guys have a huge reputation in the streets (they started off with the Mafia IV Life Car Club in South Central). So they got the street-credibility thing definitely on lock...
Secondly, they got some big connections: they've made songs with Snoop, Ice Cube...they also have a good relationship with the radiostations in LA (I heard that The Beat promotes IV Life [especially Steve Harvey] and Power 106 too.
And thirdly, they're not just good at making good West Coast Hip-Hop, they've proven they're capable of making "chart-singles" with that commercial sound to it. Which is also important if you wanna blow up...
Well anyway...I said that just to prove that it is possible to blow up in the industry, but you can't do it yourself apparently. You always have to be connected to some major players in the game...
I feel that artists like them definitely need somebody like Game to break through for the west, because they are the type of rappers that most heads who typically don't like west coast music aren't gonna like, because they sound "too" west coast. That's definitely not takin anything away from them, because many people, including me, love the west coast flow and delivery better than any other. But generally, most people other than us don't feel these kind of rappers if it's not somebody with a big name already.
Like most know, I am in school in Florida, so I have a great idea of what people in other regions think of us and all. I'll say that I am still in shock that damn near EVERYBODY on my campus of 13,500 90% black college students know about Game and most are feelin him. I was in shock when I saw it sold out in Best Buy. Why was I shocked? Yeah I know the Iovine hype machine was in place, but I have been here three years, and they might as well name me "Mr West Coast" because that's what most people around here see me as. I was always the one tellin em about the 100s of dope rappers the west has, and that the ONLY reason we weren't in the spotlight was that nobody would give us a chance to shine. Some people would feel Crooked I, Roscoe, Sly and a few others, but in general, they didn't like anything that sounded 100% west coast like Quik, Suga Free, etc. etc. But since Game, you have no idea how many of them are sayin "The west is back" and that they will actually give west coast rap a chance now. I just want to see if they are gonna hold on to their word.
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You are very interesting. First up, as I said, we all know that there are better LYRICISTS, but does that mean they woulda automatically blown up because of that?
Don't even say anything dumb like that about Game bein with Get Low...for one, I couldn't give a fuck about him, because I didn't know who he was!!! And bein very very honest, most of his older material wasn't anywhere near the level of his newer stuff. I bought "Untold story" and if he had rapped the same way on this album, I wouldn't even like him all that much because he just wasn't as good, period. I didn't really start feelin his shit in a real way til about a year and some ago. So just because he's with Interscope and all doesn't mean that EVERYBODY hopped on his bandwagon and liked him. Some people do that, but definitely not me.
And with everybody you mentioned, only a few of them really would blow up THIS big if they were in this position. Lookin at it as far as image, diversity and bein able to spit on different kinds of tracks, and just personality, most of them are nowhere close to Game. So let's remember that even if it shouldn't be about image and all, it definitely is. Lyrics definitely don't mean everything.
You said:
"Personally, I think we all must admit that Game brought heat lyrically, and that he was not just an average rapper on dope ass beats. On the real, I don't think it is too many others that could have actually done as well on every single beat that he was on. Other than Crooked I, I don't think there are too many other west coasters that could rip every beat on there, because the production was very diverse. "
All those emcees I listed could rip any beat Game busted on. I never said they could blow up like him, don't try to read between the lines when there's nothing there.
And, I love how all Game supporters dismiss his Get Low years. "I didn't know him, I didn't give a fuck about him!" That just proves Interscope made him. Game was spitting the same shit on Get Low, that he does now. Only thing different is production. But, as far as emceeing, Game is NO different. Which, to me, PROVES ya'll only care about him through his affiliation.
Let's remember, without Dre, you wouldn't care about Game. Without 50, you wouldn't care about Game. Without Interscope, you wouldn't care about Game. So to me, you're bandwagoner.
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^true. same can be said for all the g-unit roster tho
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Bottom line, when Game was with Get Low, NOBODY, I'm sure including yourself, gave one fuck about him. The moment he got the Interscope machine behind him, a 50 Cent hook (which is damn near like a Nate Dogg hook nowadays) and a Dre beat, people hopped on the bandwagon. ANYONE in Game's posistion would've blown up, period.
Agreed.
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well i dont think they coulda put anyone in G-unit
they needed/wanted a cali-gangbanger image to fit the niche, and it seems like game fit that the best
Not only that, he has the east coast flow so it was pretty much a no brainer type decision.
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And, I love how all Game supporters dismiss his Get Low years. "I didn't know him, I didn't give a fuck about him!" That just proves Interscope made him. Game was spitting the same shit on Get Low, that he does now. Only thing different is production. But, as far as emceeing, Game is NO different. Which, to me, PROVES ya'll only care about him through his affiliation.
Let's remember, without Dre, you wouldn't care about Game. Without 50, you wouldn't care about Game. Without Interscope, you wouldn't care about Game. So to me, you're bandwagoner.
Definitely NOT the case. For one, I work with BWS so that partially eliminates any chance of me being a bandwagoner. Second of all, I donno about your taste, but me and most people I know definitely agree and realize he was NOT as good of a rapper back then, regardless. Yes, he was talkin about some of the same things, but his punchlines weren't as clever, his flow wasn't nearly as good or versatile, and he just wasn't as good overall. I tell everybody, Game was just a decent rapper to me until last year when I started hearin him really SPIT on some mixtape tracks and remixes. When I posted his mixtape up in Summer 2003, I was like iite he's coo, nothin special at all but he's cool. Now, I see him as bein a real good rapper, even though he may have repetitive subject matter and techniques.
When did he EVER flow like he did on the "Drop it like its hot" beat, the New Edition remix to "Hot tonite", or "Higher" or even "Westside story" back durin Get Low? First of all, I didn't even know who he was back then, and I didn't even hear of him til early 2003 when I heard he signed with Dre, and that never makes me really anxious to hear somebody because that doesn't mean shit because he usually never releases artists from the west or anywhere. I heard some track online around that time, and I don't think I was feelin it. The very first time I heard him was when somebody from BWS personally gave somebody I was workin with a copy of his mixtape that nobody else had. I played it and that's when I was sayin he was just a decent rapper, but he's got a lot better since then.
So how can you say I'm a dickrider or bandwagoner when I didn't even know who he was back with Get Low? I didn't hear anything he did with them til I bought Untold story, and I wasn't feelin it much because he has changed his style and improved so much since then.
Overall...I can see why you may get mad or try to point out people who dickride whatever is hot, but you are pointin ya gun at the wrong direction. I'm R-Tistic homie, not one of the couple G-Unit Aftermath groupies that you may see about. If I was one, I would never be able to respond in depth to every single post you spit at me on topics like this.
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now that Game has done it, other people need to step on up to the plate and keep the west in the spotlight
That's the problem. Everybody takin shots at him, instead of following his example or getting him on guest spots.
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This album is NOWHERE near classic. Goddamn, people throw that word around like its nothing nowadays. Game's album isnt ANYWHERE near classic.
The word classic should only be used sparingly. When I think of "West Coast classics", albums like The Chronic, All Eyez On Me, Doggystyle, Straight Outta Compton, and Death Certificate come to mind.......do you honestly think Game's album is worthy of being mentioned alongside such titles?? I sure as hell dont.....
This guy is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay overhyped. The beats on the album are dope but his lyrics are straight up mediocre at best. Ill probably get flamed for this post, since this is a Game dick suck fest in here, but im just telling it like it is.
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^ You are absolutely rite about people calling this album a classic.
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"Memph Bleek Iz" is still Game's hardest track, to date. Lyrically and overall, IMO. Also, that track where he drops all the West Coast emcee's names is the most creative track he got. I personally dug QB 2 Compton a lot. My brother dug it and he hates anything remotely underground (yet, he doesn't like anything new Game has done.) A couple of my boys dug QB 2 Compton more than Documentary, also. Me and you have different tastes, that's the only explanation.
As far as Bandwagoning goes.
If you didn't like someone prior to their blowing up, that's fine. Maybe you never heard of them. But, you can't be their biggest fan if you dismiss their past. That's bandwagoning. The moment the person is doing good, they you are. Bandwagoning.
Thats for everyone. If the shoe fits...