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Title: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: biggboyy2004 on January 25, 2005, 09:45:36 AM
How many MCs have dropped 2-4 classics in a career??

AMW= Classic
Death Certificate= Classic x 2
Predator= Close to classic
WSC Bow Down= Classic

Who could argue this???
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: mauzip on January 25, 2005, 09:47:02 AM
LL Cool J
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: Bomb-A® on January 25, 2005, 09:47:46 AM
coz he's still alive



peace
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: Noname on January 25, 2005, 10:08:51 AM
hes not THE best, but hes definetly ONE of the best
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: Minkaveli on January 25, 2005, 10:24:12 AM
I could name a shitload better in no order:

1. 2 Pac
2. Jay-Z
3. Nas
4. Biggie
5.  LL
6. Common (who served Ice Cube, remember)
7. Mos Def
8. Talib Kweli
9. Slick Rick
10. Method Man
11. Snoop Dogg
12. Jadakiss
13.  Redman
14.  Guru

many more....
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: Woodrow on January 25, 2005, 10:30:42 AM
I could name a shitload better in no order:

1. 2 Pac
2. Jay-Z
3. Nas
4. Biggie
5.  LL
6. Common (who served Ice Cube, remember)
7. Mos Def
8. Talib Kweli
9. Slick Rick
10. Method Man
11. Snoop Dogg
12. Jadakiss
13.  Redman
14.  Guru

many more....

I disaggree...
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: Machiavelli on January 25, 2005, 10:37:42 AM
Biggie is not better then Cube. Hes overated.

Death Certificte and Bow Down are classics....

To me Ice Cube is the smartest westcoast rapper and in my top 10.
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: Bomb-A® on January 25, 2005, 10:41:03 AM
Biggie is not better then Cube. Hes overated.

biggie is not better but he is not overrated either.....i always feel that tupac as good as he was...is overrated



peace
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: UKnowWhatItIs: welcome to my traps....game over on January 25, 2005, 10:43:08 AM
I could name a shitload better in no order:

1. 2 Pac
2. Jay-Z
3. Nas
4. Biggie
5.  LL
6. Common (who served Ice Cube, remember)
7. Mos Def
8. Talib Kweli
9. Slick Rick
10. Method Man
11. Snoop Dogg
12. Jadakiss
13.  Redman
14.  Guru

many more....
Mos Def has only 1 classic album
Talib Kweli doesnt have a classic album
Method Man has only got 1 solo classic album
Snoop Dogg just like the others,he's only got 1 classic album
Jadakiss is a great mc,he has shitty production tho
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: Juronimo on January 25, 2005, 11:12:01 AM
I could name a shitload better in no order:

1. 2 Pac
I agree but he's better only by a hair.

2. Jay-Z
Not even close

3. Nas
He's close, he can definitely make a good argument for him but he doesn't hit as hard

4. Biggie
He was good but Cube was on a higher level subject-wise

5.  LL
Fell off 12 years ago

6. Common (who served Ice Cube, remember)
I like Common but he's not there

7. Mos Def
Not in the same stratosphere

8. Talib Kweli
Not in the same solar system

9. Slick Rick
Nope

10. Method Man
Are you serious?

11. Snoop Dogg
Give me a break...

12. Jadakiss
Hahahahahahahaha now I know you're joking

13.  Redman
I like Redman but he's not cube

14.  Guru
Come on now...

many more....

2pac is goat, Ice Cube is goat runner up
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: Danté Williams on January 25, 2005, 11:18:04 AM
Cube is dope, not the best, but hella dope.


And Biggie, in my eyes, is the most overrated rapper ever.
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: biggboyy2004 on January 25, 2005, 11:20:10 AM
I could name a shitload better in no order:

1. 2 Pac
I agree but he's better only by a hair.

2. Jay-Z
Not even close

3. Nas
He's close, he can definitely make a good argument for him but he doesn't hit as hard

4. Biggie
He was good but Cube was on a higher level subject-wise

5.  LL
Fell off 12 years ago

6. Common (who served Ice Cube, remember)
I like Common but he's not there

7. Mos Def
Not in the same stratosphere

8. Talib Kweli
Not in the same solar system

9. Slick Rick
Nope

10. Method Man
Are you serious?

11. Snoop Dogg
Give me a break...

12. Jadakiss
Hahahahahahahaha now I know you're joking

13.  Redman
I like Redman but he's not cube

14.  Guru
Come on now...

many more....

2pac is goat, Ice Cube is goat runner up


Realest sh!t you ever wrote!!!
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: Thirteen on January 25, 2005, 11:24:32 AM
I could name a shitload better in no order:

1. 2 Pac
I agree but he's better only by a hair.

2. Jay-Z
Not even close

3. Nas
He's close, he can definitely make a good argument for him but he doesn't hit as hard

4. Biggie
He was good but Cube was on a higher level subject-wise

5.  LL
Fell off 12 years ago

6. Common (who served Ice Cube, remember)
I like Common but he's not there

7. Mos Def
Not in the same stratosphere

8. Talib Kweli
Not in the same solar system

9. Slick Rick
Nope

10. Method Man
Are you serious?

11. Snoop Dogg
Give me a break...

12. Jadakiss
Hahahahahahahaha now I know you're joking

13.  Redman
I like Redman but he's not cube

14.  Guru
Come on now...

many more....

2pac is goat, Ice Cube is goat runner up

lol

Cube was my favorite until i came across DJ Quik
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: Machiavelli on January 25, 2005, 11:31:59 AM
lol damn...my top 3 westcoast artists are

1. Dj Quik
2. 2pac
3. Ice Cube
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: Sikotic™ on January 25, 2005, 11:35:34 AM
I could name a shitload better in no order:

1. 2 Pac
2. Jay-Z
3. Nas
4. Biggie
5.  LL
6. Common (who served Ice Cube, remember)
7. Mos Def
8. Talib Kweli
9. Slick Rick
10. Method Man
11. Snoop Dogg
12. Jadakiss
13.  Redman
14.  Guru

many more....

A lot of those cats can't even be compared with Cube because their styles differ so much. Cube has been in the rap game longer than some of them too. The guys definitely one of the hottest comin from the left coast.

He's like Pac, he has so much emotion and energy in his shit. When he says somethin, you know he means it, that's what I like about Cube.

Definitely in my top 5.
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: BacktoWacko on January 25, 2005, 12:11:23 PM
lol damn...my top 3 westcoast artists are

1. Dj Quik
2. 2pac
3. Ice Cube

lol you joking or what??? dj quick and you dare put him above 2pac... is dj quick that good??? maybe I might give him a check...  but hey every1 got his own opinion... lol although I think ur opinion suxors... no offense
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: M Dogg™ on January 25, 2005, 12:21:12 PM
I even put my top 15 of all time IMO on one CD, going from 15, Big Pun, to number 1, 2Pac. I got Ice Cube at number 5.

top 5:

1. 2Pac - the GOAT. The only reason his overrated is because his not God... lol. Other than that, most hip-hop fans, especially those out here in Cali, will tell you his the GOAT. Flow, emotions, content, lyrics, the total package. Plus his 3 classics don't hurt at all.

2. Rakim - I mean, comeon, how is he not mentioned.  Rakim is the most lyrical rapper by far. The only one that comes close is...

3. Nas - After his comeback and putting out 4 straight solid albums, and putting his overall classic total to 2, Nasty Nas is top 3 no question.

4. Biggie - OK, come on, his only 2 CDs he put out when he was alive were 4.5 or 5, whatever you want to argue. The fact that he never had a chance to fall off, all we can say is that well he was here, he was the best of his time in the city of New York.

5. Ice Cube - 2 classic CDs, co-founder of the gangsta rap movement created by N.W.A., and rolled with the Lynch Mob and Westside Connection. The Don Mega could not be fucked with in terms of being seen as one of the greatest. Fell off after Lythal Injection, but kept his shit to a level that still sells.

the rest

6. Scarface
7. Big Daddy Kane
8. KRS-One
9. Snoop Dogg
10. Jay-Z
11. LL Cool J
12. Eminem
13. Method Man
14. Lauryn Hill
15. Big Pun
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: Minkaveli on January 25, 2005, 12:28:37 PM
lyrically...Cube raps about the same old shit.  So does LL but still...the other Emcee's talk about other subjects.  If you think Ice Cube is better than Nas you are full of shit.  Nas would kill Ice Cube in a battle.  Common killed Ice Cube in a battle.  Common>Ice Cube. Nas>Ice Cube for sure.
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: Thirteen on January 25, 2005, 12:41:25 PM
lol damn...my top 3 westcoast artists are

1. Dj Quik
2. 2pac
3. Ice Cube

lol you joking or what??? dj quick and you dare put him above 2pac... is dj quick that good??? maybe I might give him a check...  but hey every1 got his own opinion... lol although I think ur opinion suxors... no offense

my top 3 rappers are;

DJ Quik
Ice Cube
Scarface

i'd rate Quik higher than Pac too. i can just relate more to Quik's music than to Tupac's...i also have much more respect for Quik as a musician first and foremost, he's a brilliant musician that just happens to rap... if you personally like 2pac more, it doesn't bother me any, you're entitled to your own opinion
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: Danté Williams on January 25, 2005, 12:57:17 PM
lol damn...my top 3 westcoast artists are

1. Dj Quik
2. 2pac
3. Ice Cube

lol you joking or what??? dj quick and you dare put him above 2pac... is dj quick that good??? maybe I might give him a check...  but hey every1 got his own opinion... lol although I think ur opinion suxors... no offense

U ain't checked Quik yet? Boy, you're missing one of tha best from tha west!

Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: white Boy on January 25, 2005, 01:10:43 PM
damn.. i need to give cube another listen..
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: BacktoWacko on January 25, 2005, 01:14:57 PM
lol damn...my top 3 westcoast artists are

1. Dj Quik
2. 2pac
3. Ice Cube

lol you joking or what??? dj quick and you dare put him above 2pac... is dj quick that good??? maybe I might give him a check...  but hey every1 got his own opinion... lol although I think ur opinion suxors... no offense


U ain't checked Quik yet? Boy, you're missing one of tha best from tha west!



nope sorry for that give me sum of his best songs... that arent old.. old ones are cool to.... but i prefer new ones...
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: GangstaBoogy on January 25, 2005, 01:42:37 PM
2pac is nowhere near better than Ice Cube. and LL Cool J's albums SUCK

coz he's still alive

true
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: BacktoWacko on January 25, 2005, 01:54:09 PM
2pac is nowhere near better than Ice Cube. and LL Cool J's albums SUCK

coz he's still alive

true

lol 2pac is alive??     2pac is hella better then ice cube and you calling it not near ice cube lol...   ll cool js rhymes are good but the last album had too many club shit

modify:  any1 gone give me dj quick songs or what???
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: Twentytwofifty on January 25, 2005, 01:57:45 PM
1. Rakim
2. KRS-One
3. Nas
4. Big Daddy Kane
5. The Notorious B.I.G.
6. Kool G Rap
7. Slick Rick
8. 2Pac
9. Scarface
10. Ice Cube

Ice Cube can't get passed Scarface because Scarface is still going very strong and Ice Cube is making wack movies.
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: GangstaBoogy on January 25, 2005, 02:02:51 PM
2pac is nowhere near better than Ice Cube. and LL Cool J's albums SUCK

coz he's still alive

true

lol 2pac is alive??     2pac is hella better then ice cube and you calling it not near ice cube lol...   ll cool js rhymes are good but the last album had too many club shit

modify:  any1 gone give me dj quick songs or what???

did i say pac was alive?
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: Florez on January 25, 2005, 02:05:25 PM
Ice cube is definetely one the most lyrical rapper comin out of the west period.
Ice cube got that charisma that only pac and him posses.
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: BacktoWacko on January 25, 2005, 02:10:33 PM
2pac is nowhere near better than Ice Cube. and LL Cool J's albums SUCK

coz he's still alive

true

lol 2pac is alive??     2pac is hella better then ice cube and you calling it not near ice cube lol...   ll cool js rhymes are good but the last album had too many club shit

modify:  any1 gone give me dj quick songs or what???

did i say pac was alive?
was a joke.. but OK misunderstood..
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: Twentytwofifty on January 25, 2005, 02:11:42 PM
Ice cube got that charisma that only pac and him posses.

That's wrong, for example, Slick Rick has more charisma than Ice Cube.
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: Juronimo on January 25, 2005, 03:05:54 PM
lyrically...Cube raps about the same old shit.  So does LL but still...the other Emcee's talk about other subjects.  If you think Ice Cube is better than Nas you are full of shit.  Nas would kill Ice Cube in a battle.  Common killed Ice Cube in a battle.  Common>Ice Cube. Nas>Ice Cube for sure.

I disagree. Who cares about a battle? Look at these battle rappers who can't put out albums, i e Supernatural. Besides, No Vaseline is the best diss track ever made I could give two shits if Common wrote a better diss track or would beat him in a freestyle batte, I'm talking about who's the better artist. If you're going to talk about subject matter, Ice Cube has that on lock. Ice Cube has rapped about everything under the sun including gangsta shit, party tracks, race relations, political stuff, he's tackled the subject of religion in his songs, education, story telling, the east coast west coast beef, diss tracks, drug dealing from a story telling and critical standpoint, the LA Riots, Korean Storeowners, sellout rappers, Uncle Toms, brothas at concerts not acting right, the perils of gangbanging, need I continue?

I'm not taking away from artists like Nas or Common, they're great artists, but neither of them have had the impact on the game or have taken the risks that Ice Cube has taken from a lyrical standpoint. Neither has taken the heat that Ice Cube has, or has tackled controversial subject matter with the same ferocity that Ice Cube did in his prime. I do give Nas props for stepping up and taking on some controversial subject matters recently (i e My Country, Coon Picnic) and we need more of that in hip hop.

Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: Controver$y King on January 25, 2005, 03:21:08 PM
^Realest shit I've read in this topic
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: West Coast Veteran on January 25, 2005, 03:47:47 PM
lyrically...Cube raps about the same old shit.  So does LL but still...the other Emcee's talk about other subjects.  If you think Ice Cube is better than Nas you are full of shit.  Nas would kill Ice Cube in a battle.  Common killed Ice Cube in a battle.  Common>Ice Cube. Nas>Ice Cube for sure.

I disagree. Who cares about a battle? Look at these battle rappers who can't put out albums, i e Supernatural. Besides, No Vaseline is the best diss track ever made I could give two shits if Common wrote a better diss track or would beat him in a freestyle batte, I'm talking about who's the better artist. If you're going to talk about subject matter, Ice Cube has that on lock. Ice Cube has rapped about everything under the sun including gangsta shit, party tracks, race relations, political stuff, he's tackled the subject of religion in his songs, education, story telling, the east coast west coast beef, diss tracks, drug dealing from a story telling and critical standpoint, the LA Riots, Korean Storeowners, sellout rappers, Uncle Toms, brothas at concerts not acting right, the perils of gangbanging, need I continue?

I'm not taking away from artists like Nas or Common, they're great artists, but neither of them have had the impact on the game or have taken the risks that Ice Cube has taken from a lyrical standpoint. Neither has taken the heat that Ice Cube has, or has tackled controversial subject matter with the same ferocity that Ice Cube did in his prime. I do give Nas props for stepping up and taking on some controversial subject matters recently (i e My Country, Coon Picnic) and we need more of that in hip hop.

^^^ That is the reason why I put Cube at the top of my list with Pac. Great post.
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: Citizen-Y on January 25, 2005, 05:18:16 PM
How the hell isn't the War disc not a classic?  That shit was tough from first to the last track.
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: M Dogg™ on January 25, 2005, 06:40:05 PM
Shit I didn't even place Common on my list, because everyone on my list of top 15 have had major impact on the game. Common brings skillz, but his impact is not much. Cube's impact is huge, his changed the business, and lyrics and everything about hip-hop. Cube fucked up the game.

I stand by Nas and Biggie, I look at Biggie's death, and how his beef with 2Pac, his lyrical ability and his charm helped him conquer New York and run the city like no one else, and Nas, well I think resently Nas has done enough to put himself next to Rakim and over Biggie. Nas started off great, and is ending great. Out of his 8 albums, only 1 was garbage, which is a great stat.

Common, Talib, Mos Def, I love them all, but honestly, their impact is small. Unless Kanye West focuses on making them mainstream like Dr. Dre did rappers like Xzibit 50 Cent and Eminem, they wouldn't be mentioned on any list.
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: Twentytwofifty on January 25, 2005, 07:39:16 PM
How the hell isn't the War disc not a classic? 

Because if you go low enough to call that a classic then the word loses all meaning.  Rakim would have 5, EPMD would have 5, Nas would have 6, Gang Starr would have 4, etc.
It might be a good album but sure as hell ain't a classic.
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: Citizen-Y on January 25, 2005, 08:33:00 PM
How the hell isn't the War disc not a classic? 

Because if you go low enough to call that a classic then the word loses all meaning.  Rakim would have 5, EPMD would have 5, Nas would have 6, Gang Starr would have 4, etc.
It might be a good album but sure as hell ain't a classic.

To me it's a classic.  I like it way more than Amerikka's Most and I bump it more than I ever did with the Predator.

PUSHIN RHYMES LIKE WEIGHT. 
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: westkoastanostra on January 25, 2005, 09:11:58 PM
i think cube is one of the best rappers ever....he had 2 classic solo albums ....he had 2 classic group albums like bow down and sttraight outta compton...he's a legend in my mind.......he's a big part of hip-hop/gangsta rap....  and ppl still be bumpin his old school classic trax like "it was a good day" "check ya self(remix)" "bow down"  "u know how we do it" etc.
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: Spicemuthafuc*in1 on January 25, 2005, 10:28:25 PM
1.2pac
2.kurupt
3.spice1
4.celly cel
5.yukmouth
6.daz
7.c-bo
8.crooked i
9.roscoe
10.dj quik
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: You Ain't Shit on January 25, 2005, 11:08:22 PM
How many MCs have dropped 2-4 classics in a career??

AMW= Classic
Death Certificate= Classic x 2
Predator= Close to classic
WSC Bow Down= Classic

Who could argue this???

u right homie, ice cube has to be tha greatest of all time
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: Darksider on January 26, 2005, 01:37:10 AM
ice cube is definetly one the best
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: Bomb-A® on January 26, 2005, 03:56:42 AM
2pac is nowhere near better than Ice Cube. and LL Cool J's albums SUCK

coz he's still alive

true

lol 2pac is alive??     2pac is hella better then ice cube and you calling it not near ice cube lol...   ll cool js rhymes are good but the last album had too many club shit

modify:  any1 gone give me dj quick songs or what???

did i say pac was alive?
was a joke.. but OK misunderstood..

dont u love it when people make mistakes and later pretend they were joking??? i know i do ::)



peace
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: Don Seer on January 26, 2005, 04:02:44 AM


cube isnt that 'active' thats why he's forgotten..
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: BacktoWacko on January 26, 2005, 05:38:50 AM
2pac is nowhere near better than Ice Cube. and LL Cool J's albums SUCK

coz he's still alive

true

lol 2pac is alive??     2pac is hella better then ice cube and you calling it not near ice cube lol...   ll cool js rhymes are good but the last album had too many club shit

modify:  any1 gone give me dj quick songs or what???

did i say pac was alive?
was a joke.. but OK misunderstood..

dont u love it when people make mistakes and later pretend they were joking??? i know i do ::)



peace

mm I said "lol (laugh outloud orwhateva) 2pac is alive??" but yeah I misunderstood when he said "cuz he's stilll alive"   I thought he meant pac...
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: dexter on January 26, 2005, 06:22:13 AM
Commons a punk
Dudes in Chicago know hes a Fruit. Real talk
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: Lil Jay on January 26, 2005, 07:01:33 AM
lyrically...Cube raps about the same old shit.  So does LL but still...the other Emcee's talk about other subjects.  If you think Ice Cube is better than Nas you are full of shit.  Nas would kill Ice Cube in a battle.  Common killed Ice Cube in a battle.  Common>Ice Cube. Nas>Ice Cube for sure.

I disagree. Who cares about a battle? Look at these battle rappers who can't put out albums, i e Supernatural. Besides, No Vaseline is the best diss track ever made I could give two shits if Common wrote a better diss track or would beat him in a freestyle batte, I'm talking about who's the better artist. If you're going to talk about subject matter, Ice Cube has that on lock. Ice Cube has rapped about everything under the sun including gangsta shit, party tracks, race relations, political stuff, he's tackled the subject of religion in his songs, education, story telling, the east coast west coast beef, diss tracks, drug dealing from a story telling and critical standpoint, the LA Riots, Korean Storeowners, sellout rappers, Uncle Toms, brothas at concerts not acting right, the perils of gangbanging, need I continue?

I'm not taking away from artists like Nas or Common, they're great artists, but neither of them have had the impact on the game or have taken the risks that Ice Cube has taken from a lyrical standpoint. Neither has taken the heat that Ice Cube has, or has tackled controversial subject matter with the same ferocity that Ice Cube did in his prime. I do give Nas props for stepping up and taking on some controversial subject matters recently (i e My Country, Coon Picnic) and we need more of that in hip hop.




real talk. sums it up right there


i'd rate Quik higher than Pac too. i can just relate more to Quik's music than to Tupac's...i also have much more respect for Quik as a musician first and foremost, he's a brilliant musician that just happens to rap... if you personally like 2pac more, it doesn't bother me any, you're entitled to your own opinion


real talk

Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: Hatesrats™ on January 26, 2005, 07:31:47 AM
In the end it's all a matter of opinion...

but if you were not around to see the Cube day's (in his prime) 1988-1995
it's hard to argue that his style did not birth more than 1/2 of your current favorites
Bottom line is Cube, has already trancended hip-hop and has become a Superstar.

Check his discography...
I'd compare his first solo albums with any rapper'shit
"AmeriKKKas most wanted" Classic
"Kill at will (ep)" Classic
"Death Certificate" Classic
"The Predator" Classic
"Lethal injection" Classic
"Bootlegs & B-sides" Classic

of course rapper's or people in general become unfocused in their craft
when their life changes, because different situations open up, new chalenges & doors.
but at any moment please belive Cube can still blaze the mic...
I dare anybody to listen to those albums I posted above and check Cubes flow's..
each one of those lp's has a different feel to em'
you can actually hear his progression as a bonified star.

in my eyes Cube is on a different level than most mentioned.
I know Cube still has another classic in him....

check out the music scene today.... :P
we need Cube right about now.

make that Hollywood chedder Cube...
Hatesrats 2oo0V (Bitch killa)

IMO





Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: King Tech Quadafi on January 26, 2005, 11:18:26 AM
Pac is my favourite rapper ever, but Ice Cube is the GOAT
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: The Big Bad Ass on January 26, 2005, 11:59:22 AM
Said it before, and I'll say it again, Cube is the goat.
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: Florez on January 26, 2005, 01:07:25 PM
Ice cube got that charisma that only pac and him posses.

That's wrong, for example, Slick Rick has more charisma than Ice Cube.

Well that's my opinion, personally I don't think Slick Rick can't even touch Ice cube on charisma, I can't front on Slick Ricks storytelling skills, but Ice cube is not only telling a story he's shooting a picture right in front of you.
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: M Dogg™ on January 26, 2005, 04:20:48 PM
I don't know if I'd call everything Cube did pre-1994 classic.

Straight Outta Compton - classic
AmeriKKKas Most Wanted - classic
Kill At Will (EP) - near classic
Death Certificate - near classic
The Predator - great
Lethal Injection - solid
Bootlegs & B-sides - great


now post 1994, nothing classic, though Westside Connection - Bow Down is near classic. Cube is still one of the greatest of all times, and I got pissed as hell when people don't even put him on the top 10. For reals, he was the first man to rule both coast, have the mainstream world in a choke hold and he even destroyed the World's Most Dangerous Group in one song, after he helped make that group what it was. You are talking about a man that had America by the balls, Ice Cube was the man. Fuck those that disagree with that. Top 5 of all time, no questions should be asked.
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: BigBDrugStores on January 26, 2005, 04:32:59 PM
you know its funny, eminem used to be in peoples top 5 or atleast top 10, but then he released encore
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: Juronimo on January 26, 2005, 04:43:53 PM
/\/\ No doubt, Cube was literally running rap music in the early 90's. He was huge, you had to have been there. I was in high school when Amerikkka's Most, Death Certificate and Predator dropped and he was absolutely huge back then, he was like a superhero or something. I'm not exaggerating.

juronimo's Ice Cube album ratings

Straight Outta Compton 5/5
Amerikkka's Most Wanted 5/5
Kill At Will 4/5
Death Certificate 5/5
Guerillas In The Midst 4/5
Predator 4.5/5
Lethal Injection 4.5/5
Bootlegs and B-Sides 4/5
Bow Down 4.5/5
The War Disk 3.5/5
The Peace Disk 2/5
Terrorist Threats 2/5

Aside from those last 2 albums, that's a pretty good track record if you ask me.
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: C-clamp on January 26, 2005, 05:23:27 PM
Ice Cube is definately top 2, the only one who can take his spot is pac, and even that's debateable
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: D1G1T4L on January 26, 2005, 06:52:43 PM
lol cant believe people never heard of dj quik
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: Machiavelli on January 27, 2005, 09:38:40 AM
lol cant believe people never heard of dj quik

yeah its pretty say...Hes the most underated artist in rap peiord.


I rate Quik better then pac because quik was a better artist overall. He is a talented musican/producer that has good rapping skills. 

Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: OpTiCaL on January 28, 2005, 12:48:12 AM
IMO alot of opinion is BS cos its based on what people hear  today....



...nothing


why get dissed cos he's gone in another direction...hes following another passion and ive no doubt he will come bacc strong


cube was one of the OG's pioneered what we listen to today so how can he be wack...
...how many of u kids / adults grew up listening to cube when that shit was underground...when it really meant something...when he was saying exactly what he and the peeple of that time felt....rodney king, la riots, racism,struggle, oppression / freedom of expression...

...it was all different back then


ice cube is and always will be in my top list because of what he has done, what he achieved for other artists and the industry...and how he did it


yeah im disappointed a lil cos he does more movies than music...but how can u fall off when u aint even competing ?
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: Hatesrats™ on January 28, 2005, 07:36:13 AM
Was waiting on you for this thread... ;)
was like where's optical to put these foo's in their place...lol

good points as usual
Hatesrats 2oo0V

2 of a feather I'm telling you....
check out my comment's I had made.
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: Larrabee on January 28, 2005, 11:53:16 AM
Cube's a legend, period. Just that lately he's been more concerned with movies. On 106 & Park a few days ago, he talked about recording his new album once the new movie comes out.
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: OpTiCaL on January 28, 2005, 12:13:50 PM
Was waiting on you for this thread... ;)
was like where's optical to put these foo's in their place...lol

good points as usual
Hatesrats 2oo0V

2 of a feather I'm telling you....
check out my comment's I had made.

 :-*

 Thats flattering bro...youve got respect cos u always speak with knowlede and thought...
The first post i happened to cast my eye over had me typing before i had read all posts...my feelin had me typing with less eloquence and more emotion lol

ya got juice bro    8)
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: soopa-man on January 28, 2005, 12:42:50 PM
I Argue This Topic Everyday On My College Campus During Break...Not That Exaggerated But U Know....Alot Of People Really Just Only Listen To Pac, Thats It People Do Not Listen To Music Before They Talk Shyt, This Guy Told Me That None Of Ice Cube's Could Fuck With Pac's! Then Said He Feels Lil' Flip Because He Spits Gangsta Shyt Sometimes...I Dont Hate On Choice Of Music I Dont Care Music Is Music If Its Dope Its Dope...But Cube Really Was The Man...His First The 4 Albums Along With "kill At Will" I Bump Every Week! Still 1990-94 in My House All THe Time!
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: Trauma-san on January 29, 2005, 09:41:42 AM
Anybody who was around in the early 90's knows Ice Cube is one of the most consistant of all time.  He basically was the reason gangsta rap contiuned past NWA, without Ice Cube's solid albums after leaving the group, the whole genre might have not even lasted long enough for Dr. Dre to perfect it on "The Chronic" and "Doggystyle".  He was one of the first rappers to actually have a *GOOD* part in a movie, and won widespread critical acclaim for "Boyz In the Hood".  He's made 500 million dollars in the box office with the movies he's starred in, far more than any other rapper.  He's changed his style over the years, but still shows (like when N.W.A. 'reunited') that he can still do things the old way, he just for whatever reason chooses not to.  He was the one at the centerpoint of all of the 'cracker' rap about how he wanted to kill the man, and how white women had flat asses, but yet stands today with the love of at least young white America, despite that.  Instead of turning into an old outdated rapper who's not cool anymore, a casualty of time... he's turned into one of the most successful actors in Hollywood.  I can't fault him for that. 

Got to be one of the greatest.  I'd probably put him @ #2.  I love Biggie, but Biggie unfortunately wasn't around long enough to get much accomplished.  Ignoring Pac's incredibly prolific output and not considering him #1 would be ignorant, so you can't say that (even though I'm not much of a fan of Pac, I understand his 'greatness')... but Ice Cube I think has arrived at the #2 spot, only behind Pac.  Pac is dead, so one day Cube may be the only one around still building legacies. 
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: Mac 10 † on February 01, 2005, 08:12:19 AM
Answer to your question -> Because he isn't.  ;D
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: Thuglife on February 01, 2005, 11:38:18 PM
ahhhahahahahahah thats ja rule
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: Mac 10 † on February 02, 2005, 06:03:20 AM
Wow, you can see things... *applause*   guessing your a fan of Ja Rule #2   a.k.a. 50 cent ??
Title: Re: Why isn't Ice cube considered maybe the best rapper ever???
Post by: Florez on February 02, 2005, 12:07:03 PM
Wow somebody makes a comment on your picture of Ja rule, and you change you picture!
And since everybody loves Pac.....
People opinions really influence you a lot don't they?