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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on February 10, 2005, 01:12:48 AM
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Ya'll know who I pick...I'm tryna' see what the board thinks...PeACe
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in terms of style, its not even a contest. kobe bryant by far (whether or not you actually think he is the best out of that group).
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yea u gots to go wit kobe he def. kind of reminds me of jordan
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kobe, but i think in 5 years, lebron will be beyond kobe, but kobe will also be an established mvp in the game, even tho he basically already is
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kobe.
lebron is more like magic.
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noone is near enough to be compared.. kobe skill-wise nearest but his personality is dogg shit, he will never be mvp.. - in 2-3 years lebron might be even better than jordan though.
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Kobe right now...but in a few years..its King James.
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noone is near enough to be compared.. kobe skill-wise nearest but his personality is dogg shit, he will never be mvp.. - in 2-3 years lebron might be even better than jordan though.
that would be interesting
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Kobe...
Got the game & Titles...
(Personality, we know none of them, so scratch that..ImO)
straight basketball skills, Bryant is right there with anybody.
I watched all the star's of the 80's early 90's....
Jordan being the...one
Just like Kobe is the...one, now.
King James is Wilkins... ;)
Hatesrats 2oo0V
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Lebron Is only 20, and he's waay better than kobe was @ 20, he's almost caught up to him, maybe in a year, he'll kill kobe, and People will forget about asking who the next jordan is and then people will be asking who the next Lebron is going to be
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Im going to say this right now. Nobody will ever be a michael jordan.
As of right now kobe comes the closest. In about 5 or so years lebron will surpass kobe, however he wont be a michael jordan
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^how do you know? i think that there will always be sum1 better eventually.
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my pick is ray allen...
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Kobe is the closest to Jordan, altho he will never be Michael....Sometimes i see it in D Wayde....
LeBron is in another categorie....He doesnt remind me of Jordan, but as something new....I think in 20 years they will compare people to LeBron......My opinion.
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Vince Carter, only Onyx Slams Harder 8)
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Vince has been tearng it up since he went to NJ.....Prolly the player of the month....
But hes still a BITCH :-*
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lebron's been out for what a year and a half now, and people are saying he's going to be better than jordan......pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease until he puts together 5 or 6 GREAT years i'll put him on the jordan meter, but as of right now Kobe is the closest we'll ever see to jordan. Lebron is good but i wouldn't be suprised if he peeks now and then levels like Carter and iverson
kobe though...
he's got the deadliest offensive defensive combination in the league, period. no other player in the league is on that level....kobe is quite simply the best player in the league like him or hate him.
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James
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Kobe no doubt. plus he has nba titles and is a clutch player like jordan
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in terms of style, its not even a contest. kobe bryant by far (whether or not you actually think he is the best out of that group).
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Will any of these players actually come close? Or will the "next Jordan" question be used for every half decent player? I the way which Jordan can turn a game late on and get the crowd pumped up i'd actually have to say T Mac.
will there ever be a personallity better than SHAQ?
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Jordan is the greatest player ever.
Nobody is even close to Jordan. Jordan is still underrated. Let me tell you why, NBA players are too pampered today, when Jordan came up, he had to spend three years in college, and had to fight for his respect in the NBA, those days are gone. Jordan is one of a kind, he is the greatest athlete ever in history.
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No way is he the greatest athlete of all time.
Zinedine Zidane is the Jordan of football, won it all at club and international level.
Carl Lewis
Baxter 1st man to rum a mile under a minute and that was awesome for the time.
Socretes a footballer still goin striong at 53 lol
Jordan was a great athlete but not the greatest ever
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Nobody, period!
But if it has to be from that list, Kobe is the closest. He hasnt proven the ability to actually be a great leader as jordan was. But, he does have 3 championship rings, which no one else on that list does. Face it tho, no one is the next Jordan. EVERY single person who gets compared to him...falls. Kobe's feelin it this year a bit, and until they bring in another superstar...is gonna struggle winning. I dont see him winning a championship again without another bonified superstar. It actually hurts some of these guys to compare them to Jordan. You dont realize just HOW big Jordan was to the game..till u compare other players to him. Once youre compared to MJ, you cant even have a bad month...let alone an under par year....or else the comparison will be over. He was one of the few players that manages to come into the league as a pure athlete...then work on his game in the pros, to become a very good shooter...then, as he got older and lost some of his atheltisism, turn into even more of a shooter, and just get smarter. He evolved his game probably better then any pro that any of us have seen.
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Kobe right now...but in a few years..its King James.
I agree. Lebron will surpass Kobe and become a much better player. If Lebron was light years behind Kobe, it would be hard to say, but he's already very close to being better.
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No way is he the greatest athlete of all time.
Zinedine Zidane is the Jordan of football, won it all at club and international level.
Carl Lewis
Baxter 1st man to rum a mile under a minute and that was awesome for the time.
Socretes a footballer still goin striong at 53 lol
Jordan was a great athlete but not the greatest ever
we are talkin about REAL sports! ;D
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Well if you ask me, the new Jordan 20 commercials made me see things in a diff perspective.
Yeah, we all say "Jordan is the greatest" and "Nobody will ever be greater" but people were definitely sayin that about other players before Jordan, and the lil dude on the commercial said somethin like "well just like there were those before you that they said would never be outdone, somebody is gonna be better than you, and that's gonna be me" and that's real...yeah Jordan is the best we've seen so far, but too many people are stuck on him and thinkin of it as if there will NEVER be another as great. I can't say it'll be Lebron or anybody who's even born yet, but I'm sure there will be a greater player. He will definitely be different, and people will knock them and say "he wasn't as great a shooter/leader/defensive player as Jordan" but he'll have other attributes that will make him better. So we'll see what happens.
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kobe is hands down more "like jordan".....lebron is more like a new kind of player and the type of player for the future but not better than kobe.....u cannot compare lebron to anyone that has won a championship because hes not clutch yet...he hasnt been tested...and u cant say a few years from now he will be better than kobe because we dont know how many championships he'll win we dont know if he has the heart or the work eithic...kobe is a better defensive player because he can lock u down...dont get me wrong lebron plays the passing lanes very good better than kobe actually but other than i dont know....kobe can take anyopne one on one and can finish better than lebron...so i think we should wait and see what lebron will do next but we cant speculate because u can see what happened to many players in the league like allen iverson....he has not won any championships!!! t mac being anopther htye all can score like lebron can j kidd can pass like lebron can but no championships
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oops sorry about all those misspelled words...lol. but id like to say this...that i think magic johnson was a better player than michael jordan...but jordan was the one that left the legacy but he was marketed more than magic was. jordan came at the time when there was a lot of exposure for the nba...when there was all kinds of commercials, all kinds of shoe deals so of course he was exposed more than the 80's players were. michael jordan is in the top 3 but magic has to be at the top. he came in his rookie year and took over the team even though the leading scorer in the history of the nba was on the team. he was a better passer than jordan and just as good a scored as jordan was. and was a great leader . thats just my opinion guys
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oops sorry about all those misspelled words...lol. but id like to say this...that i think magic johnson was a better player than michael jordan...but jordan was the one that left the legacy but he was marketed more than magic was. jordan came at the time when there was a lot of exposure for the nba...when there was all kinds of commercials, all kinds of shoe deals so of course he was exposed more than the 80's players were. michael jordan is in the top 3 but magic has to be at the top. he came in his rookie year and took over the team even though the leading scorer in the history of the nba was on the team. he was a better passer than jordan and just as good a scored as jordan was. and was a great leader . thats just my opinion guys
Magic was good, but no way was he better. A better passer, yes (he was a point guard). Just as good of a scorer, not even close. Defensively Jordan was better. As a leader, i think its a push. In the clutch, i dont think anyone in their right mind would go with anyone but Jordan to win a game for u. Im not even a huge Jordan fan, but he was as close to a perfect player as there's ever been.
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I'd have to say Kobe...
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Real Sports. lol. u call a real sport a game were they actually stop the game to go to commercials.
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Real Sports. lol. u call a real sport a game were they actually stop the game to go to commercials.
or maybe a game where 3 scores by both teams combined, is an offensive explosion? lol
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kobe is hands down more "like jordan".....lebron is more like a new kind of player and the type of player for the future but not better than kobe.....u cannot compare lebron to anyone that has won a championship because hes not clutch yet...he hasnt been tested...and u cant say a few years from now he will be better than kobe because we dont know how many championships he'll win we dont know if he has the heart or the work eithic...kobe is a better defensive player because he can lock u down...dont get me wrong lebron plays the passing lanes very good better than kobe actually but other than i dont know....kobe can take anyopne one on one and can finish better than lebron...so i think we should wait and see what lebron will do next but we cant speculate because u can see what happened to many players in the league like allen iverson....he has not won any championships!!! t mac being anopther htye all can score like lebron can j kidd can pass like lebron can but no championships
^^This dude knows what he's talking about...
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oops sorry about all those misspelled words...lol. but id like to say this...that i think magic johnson was a better player than michael jordan...but jordan was the one that left the legacy but he was marketed more than magic was. jordan came at the time when there was a lot of exposure for the nba...when there was all kinds of commercials, all kinds of shoe deals so of course he was exposed more than the 80's players were. michael jordan is in the top 3 but magic has to be at the top. he came in his rookie year and took over the team even though the leading scorer in the history of the nba was on the team. he was a better passer than jordan and just as good a scored as jordan was. and was a great leader . thats just my opinion guys
^^That's some interesting input...
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this here proves jorden was the greatest:
# Five-time NBA Most Valuable Player (1987-88, 1990-91, 1991-92, 1995-96, 1997-98)
# Ten-time All-NBA First Team selection (1986-87 to 1992-93, 1995-96 to 1997-98)
# Selected in 1996 as one of the "50 Greatest Players in NBA History"
# A member of six Chicago Bulls NBA championship teams (1990-91, 1991-92, 1992-93, 1995-96, 1996-97 and 1997-98)
# Six-time NBA Finals Most Valuable Player
# The 1987-88 NBA Defensive Player of the Year and record nine-time NBA All-Defensive First Team selection (1987-88 to 1992-93, 1995-96 to 1997-98)
# Entering 2002-03, ranked first in NBA history in scoring average (31.0 ppg), second in steals (2,391), fourth in points (30,652) and in field-goals made (11,513), fifth in free-throws made (7,061), sixth in field-goals attempted (23,010) and eighth in free-throws attempted (8,448)
# Closed the 1997-98 season as the Bulls' all-time franchise leader in points, rebounds (5,836), assists (5,012), steals, games (930), field-goals made and attempted and free-throws made and attempted (8,115) Holds the NBA record for most seasons leading the league in scoring (10)
# Shares the NBA record with Wilt Chamberlain for most consecutive seasons leading the league in scoring (seven, 1986-87 to 1992-93)
# Holds the NBA record for most consecutive games scoring in double-digits (842)
# Holds the NBA record for most seasons leading the league in field-goals made (10) and attempted (10)
# Led the NBA in steals in 1987-88 (3.16 spg), 1989-90 (2.77 spg) and 1992-93 (2.83 spg)
# Holds the NBA single-game records for most free-throws made in one half (20 against the Miami Heat on 12/30/92) and most most free-throws attempted in one half (23 in the same game)
# Shares the NBA single-game records for most free-throws made in one quarter (14 against the Utah Jazz on 11/15/89 and against the Miami Heat on 12/30/92) and most free-throws attempted in one quarter (23 against the Miami Heat on 12/30/92)
# Holds the NBA Finals record for highest single-series scoring average (41.0 ppg in 1993)
# Entering the 2002-03 season, ranks as the all-time NBA Finals leader in three-pointers made (42), second in three-point attempts (114), third in points (1,176), fourth in steals (62), fifth in field-goals made (438), sixth in assists (209) and free-throws made (258), seventh in field-goals attempted (911) and eighth in free-throws attempted (320)
# Holds the NBA Playoffs record for highest career scoring average (33.4 ppg)
# Established an NBA Playoffs record with 63 points against the Boston Celtics on 5/20/86
# Entering the 2002-03 season ranks as the all-time NBA Playoffs leader in field-goals attempted (4,497), free-throws made (1,463) and attempted (1,766), second in steals (376) and field-goals made (2,188), fifth in assists (1,022), seventh in three-point attempts (446) and ninth in three-pointers made (148)
# Recorded two playoff career triple-doubles, both against the New York Knicks (5/9/89 and 6/2/93)
# Participated in 13 NBA All-Star Games (1985, 1987-1993, 1996-98, 2002-03), starting 13 times, and missed another due to injury
# Named the MVP of the 1988, 1996 and 1998 NBA All-Star Games
# All-time NBA All-Star Game leader in steals (35) and ranks second in field-goal attempts (206), third in points (242), fourth in scoring average (20.2 ppg), and eighth in assists (52)
# Notched the first triple-double in All-Star Game history, with 14 points, 11 rebounds and 11 assists, in the 1997 NBA All-Star Game in Cleveland
# Won the Slam Dunk Contest in 1987 and 1988, also participating in 1985
# Notched his 28th career triple-double, with 30 points, 11 rebounds and 10 assists, against the Toronto Raptors on 4/14/97
# Returned from retirement against the Indiana Pacers on 3/19/95 and posted 19 points, six rebounds, six assists and three steals in 43 minutes
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kobe is hands down more "like jordan".....lebron is more like a new kind of player and the type of player for the future but not better than kobe.....u cannot compare lebron to anyone that has won a championship because hes not clutch yet...he hasnt been tested...and u cant say a few years from now he will be better than kobe because we dont know how many championships he'll win we dont know if he has the heart or the work eithic...kobe is a better defensive player because he can lock u down...dont get me wrong lebron plays the passing lanes very good better than kobe actually but other than i dont know....kobe can take anyopne one on one and can finish better than lebron...so i think we should wait and see what lebron will do next but we cant speculate because u can see what happened to many players in the league like allen iverson....he has not won any championships!!! t mac being anopther htye all can score like lebron can j kidd can pass like lebron can but no championships
^^This dude knows what he's talking about...
yeah, but now that Shaq is gone...Kobe wont be winning any championships either. Who has Lebron, Iverson, Tmac....any of those guys had? No one. Im not sayin any of them are like Jordan, but neither is Kobe. His game resembles Jordans the most. But thats only in form. Kendell Gill's game was paterned after Jordan more then anyone, he even said that he tried to copy Jordan....that doesnt make him MJ. Kobe is good, but like ive said a million times....as a leader, he's shit. He might get better at it, who knows. But as of now, he's not one. One thing in his defense, he hasnt really HAD to be a leader yet in his career with Shaq being there n all. So we'll see if he can manage to gain that aspect of the game. His attitude might hold him back tho.
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You must be trippin man...Kobe is a great leader, if you ever watch Laker games you can see him mentoring players during timeouts and helping out the younger guys...He's like an assistant to Hamblem...It's ridiculous to say Kobe isn't a leader when all the players who came from different teams to play with Kobe are playing better this season...Chris Mihm, Chucky Atkins, Caron Butler, Tierre Brown, and a steadily improving Lamar Odom are all playing some of their best basketball with Kobe as the team leader...Remember, Cleveland has two All-Stars, so that means LeBron has another impact player on his side, while Kobe only has a potential impact player in Lamar Odom...Jordan had an All-Star in Pippen, T-Mac has an All-Star in Yao, while Kobe, though sorrounded by talent, remains the only All-Star on the Lakers...So keep that in mind, and when Lamar improves to full potential, you'll realize how dumb you sounded when you claimed Kobe wasn't a leader...And I'm faded as fuck...PeACe
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You must be trippin man...Kobe is a great leader, if you ever watch Laker games you can see him mentoring players during timeouts and helping out the younger guys...He's like an assistant to Hamblem...It's ridiculous to say Kobe isn't a leader when all the players who came from different teams to play with Kobe are playing better this season...Chris Mihm, Chucky Atkins, Caron Butler, Tierre Brown, and a steadily improving Lamar Odom are all playing some of their best basketball with Kobe as the team leader...Remember, Cleveland has two All-Stars, so that means LeBron has another impact player on his side, while Kobe only has a potential impact player in Lamar Odom...Jordan had an All-Star in Pippen, T-Mac has an All-Star in Yao, while Kobe, though sorrounded by talent, remains the only All-Star on the Lakers...So keep that in mind, and when Lamar improves to full potential, you'll realize how dumb you sounded when you claimed Kobe wasn't a leader...And I'm faded as fuck...PeACe
Kobe is a leader when the camera's are on. In the lockerroom, on planes, during pre-game, or anywhere that doesn't include reporters and cameras, Kobe is a bitch. Players have always said that he keeps to himself, does his own thing, doesn't include anybody, how is that a leader? Yeah, when you see a game on TV, of course he's going to give the whole "I'm a leader, I care for this team, this is my team" deal because everybody can watch him. Kobe is a somewhat intelligent individual. He watches SportsCenter, he reads newspapers, he hears what people think about him...IMO, it's all an act.
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You must be trippin man...Kobe is a great leader, if you ever watch Laker games you can see him mentoring players during timeouts and helping out the younger guys...He's like an assistant to Hamblem...It's ridiculous to say Kobe isn't a leader when all the players who came from different teams to play with Kobe are playing better this season...Chris Mihm, Chucky Atkins, Caron Butler, Tierre Brown, and a steadily improving Lamar Odom are all playing some of their best basketball with Kobe as the team leader...Remember, Cleveland has two All-Stars, so that means LeBron has another impact player on his side, while Kobe only has a potential impact player in Lamar Odom...Jordan had an All-Star in Pippen, T-Mac has an All-Star in Yao, while Kobe, though sorrounded by talent, remains the only All-Star on the Lakers...So keep that in mind, and when Lamar improves to full potential, you'll realize how dumb you sounded when you claimed Kobe wasn't a leader...And I'm faded as fuck...PeACe
Kobe is a leader when the camera's are on. In the lockerroom, on planes, during pre-game, or anywhere that doesn't include reporters and cameras, Kobe is a bitch. Players have always said that he keeps to himself, does his own thing, doesn't include anybody, how is that a leader? Yeah, when you see a game on TV, of course he's going to give the whole "I'm a leader, I care for this team, this is my team" deal because everybody can watch him. Kobe is a somewhat intelligent individual. He watches SportsCenter, he reads newspapers, he hears what people think about him...IMO, it's all an act.
thank you.
As for Jordan having Pippen, Pippens game was elevated because of Jordan. His game developed while playing with Jordan. Once Jordan left, Pippen wasnt shit. U can argue that Kobe doesnt have anyone with him right now, which is kinda true. Which is also why i said he wont be winning any championships unless he gets another superstar. He's selfish, face it. Anyone who pays attention can see it. Im not knocking his game, he is good. But his attitude will keep him from being anything more then he is now. And he will NEVER reach Jordans level. You saw how Jordan was able to evolve his game through the loss of some of his athletisism. You have to humble yourself in order to do that. Understand that you arent what you once were, and change. You think Kobe will humble himself when he loses his athletisism? LOL yeah right, he'll just complain and make excuses about why he's not doing well. He's a spoiled little rich kid baby, that cries when he doesnt get his way. Period.
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You must be trippin man...Kobe is a great leader, if you ever watch Laker games you can see him mentoring players during timeouts and helping out the younger guys...He's like an assistant to Hamblem...It's ridiculous to say Kobe isn't a leader when all the players who came from different teams to play with Kobe are playing better this season...Chris Mihm, Chucky Atkins, Caron Butler, Tierre Brown, and a steadily improving Lamar Odom are all playing some of their best basketball with Kobe as the team leader...Remember, Cleveland has two All-Stars, so that means LeBron has another impact player on his side, while Kobe only has a potential impact player in Lamar Odom...Jordan had an All-Star in Pippen, T-Mac has an All-Star in Yao, while Kobe, though sorrounded by talent, remains the only All-Star on the Lakers...So keep that in mind, and when Lamar improves to full potential, you'll realize how dumb you sounded when you claimed Kobe wasn't a leader...And I'm faded as fuck...PeACe
Kobe is a leader when the camera's are on. In the lockerroom, on planes, during pre-game, or anywhere that doesn't include reporters and cameras, Kobe is a bitch. Players have always said that he keeps to himself, does his own thing, doesn't include anybody, how is that a leader? Yeah, when you see a game on TV, of course he's going to give the whole "I'm a leader, I care for this team, this is my team" deal because everybody can watch him. Kobe is a somewhat intelligent individual. He watches SportsCenter, he reads newspapers, he hears what people think about him...IMO, it's all an act.
thank you.
As for Jordan having Pippen, Pippens game was elevated because of Jordan. His game developed while playing with Jordan. Once Jordan left, Pippen wasnt shit. U can argue that Kobe doesnt have anyone with him right now, which is kinda true. Which is also why i said he wont be winning any championships unless he gets another superstar. He's selfish, face it. Anyone who pays attention can see it. Im not knocking his game, he is good. But his attitude will keep him from being anything more then he is now. And he will NEVER reach Jordans level. You saw how Jordan was able to evolve his game through the loss of some of his athletisism. You have to humble yourself in order to do that. Understand that you arent what you once were, and change. You think Kobe will humble himself when he loses his athletisism? LOL yeah right, he'll just complain and make excuses about why he's not doing well. He's a spoiled little rich kid baby, that cries when he doesnt get his way. Period.
Good point.
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You must be trippin man...Kobe is a great leader, if you ever watch Laker games you can see him mentoring players during timeouts and helping out the younger guys...He's like an assistant to Hamblem...It's ridiculous to say Kobe isn't a leader when all the players who came from different teams to play with Kobe are playing better this season...Chris Mihm, Chucky Atkins, Caron Butler, Tierre Brown, and a steadily improving Lamar Odom are all playing some of their best basketball with Kobe as the team leader...Remember, Cleveland has two All-Stars, so that means LeBron has another impact player on his side, while Kobe only has a potential impact player in Lamar Odom...Jordan had an All-Star in Pippen, T-Mac has an All-Star in Yao, while Kobe, though sorrounded by talent, remains the only All-Star on the Lakers...So keep that in mind, and when Lamar improves to full potential, you'll realize how dumb you sounded when you claimed Kobe wasn't a leader...And I'm faded as fuck...PeACe
Kobe is a leader when the camera's are on. In the lockerroom, on planes, during pre-game, or anywhere that doesn't include reporters and cameras, Kobe is a bitch. Players have always said that he keeps to himself, does his own thing, doesn't include anybody, how is that a leader? Yeah, when you see a game on TV, of course he's going to give the whole "I'm a leader, I care for this team, this is my team" deal because everybody can watch him. Kobe is a somewhat intelligent individual. He watches SportsCenter, he reads newspapers, he hears what people think about him...IMO, it's all an act.
thank you.
As for Jordan having Pippen, Pippens game was elevated because of Jordan. His game developed while playing with Jordan. Once Jordan left, Pippen wasnt shit. U can argue that Kobe doesnt have anyone with him right now, which is kinda true. Which is also why i said he wont be winning any championships unless he gets another superstar. He's selfish, face it. Anyone who pays attention can see it. Im not knocking his game, he is good. But his attitude will keep him from being anything more then he is now. And he will NEVER reach Jordans level. You saw how Jordan was able to evolve his game through the loss of some of his athletisism. You have to humble yourself in order to do that. Understand that you arent what you once were, and change. You think Kobe will humble himself when he loses his athletisism? LOL yeah right, he'll just complain and make excuses about why he's not doing well. He's a spoiled little rich kid baby, that cries when he doesnt get his way. Period.
You guys are made haters...Ask Lamar Odom, Rudy T, Frank Hamblen, Chris Mihm, Caron Butler, Luke Walton, etc...They all praise Kobe for his help and mentoring...I don't understand how you guys can judge this guy so fucking hard when you don't even know him...You guys are the ones who watch too much SportsCenter...PeACe
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You must be trippin man...Kobe is a great leader, if you ever watch Laker games you can see him mentoring players during timeouts and helping out the younger guys...He's like an assistant to Hamblem...It's ridiculous to say Kobe isn't a leader when all the players who came from different teams to play with Kobe are playing better this season...Chris Mihm, Chucky Atkins, Caron Butler, Tierre Brown, and a steadily improving Lamar Odom are all playing some of their best basketball with Kobe as the team leader...Remember, Cleveland has two All-Stars, so that means LeBron has another impact player on his side, while Kobe only has a potential impact player in Lamar Odom...Jordan had an All-Star in Pippen, T-Mac has an All-Star in Yao, while Kobe, though sorrounded by talent, remains the only All-Star on the Lakers...So keep that in mind, and when Lamar improves to full potential, you'll realize how dumb you sounded when you claimed Kobe wasn't a leader...And I'm faded as fuck...PeACe
Kobe is a leader when the camera's are on. In the lockerroom, on planes, during pre-game, or anywhere that doesn't include reporters and cameras, Kobe is a bitch. Players have always said that he keeps to himself, does his own thing, doesn't include anybody, how is that a leader? Yeah, when you see a game on TV, of course he's going to give the whole "I'm a leader, I care for this team, this is my team" deal because everybody can watch him. Kobe is a somewhat intelligent individual. He watches SportsCenter, he reads newspapers, he hears what people think about him...IMO, it's all an act.
thank you.
As for Jordan having Pippen, Pippens game was elevated because of Jordan. His game developed while playing with Jordan. Once Jordan left, Pippen wasnt shit. U can argue that Kobe doesnt have anyone with him right now, which is kinda true. Which is also why i said he wont be winning any championships unless he gets another superstar. He's selfish, face it. Anyone who pays attention can see it. Im not knocking his game, he is good. But his attitude will keep him from being anything more then he is now. And he will NEVER reach Jordans level. You saw how Jordan was able to evolve his game through the loss of some of his athletisism. You have to humble yourself in order to do that. Understand that you arent what you once were, and change. You think Kobe will humble himself when he loses his athletisism? LOL yeah right, he'll just complain and make excuses about why he's not doing well. He's a spoiled little rich kid baby, that cries when he doesnt get his way. Period.
You guys are made haters...Ask Lamar Odom, Rudy T, Frank Hamblen, Chris Mihm, Caron Butler, Luke Walton, etc...They all praise Kobe for his help and mentoring...I don't understand how you guys can judge this guy so fucking hard when you don't even know him...You guys are the ones who watch too much SportsCenter...PeACe
whats funny, is when the media is talking good about Kobe....you try to use them as your backbone for your argument. When he falls off in the media, and they question him....u say "you guys watch too much sportscenter" lol. Its all about opening your eyes and not being sucha "fan" that you cant see the truth. U named a buncha Lakers and Lakers front office people as ones who think Koba is sucha great help lol. As if any of them are gonna dog him out to the media! Ha....how stupid would that make their front office look.
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one more thing, like i said....i dont question his ability, its his attitude. He's got skills, but his attitude sucks and everyone knows that. If he got his attitude together he could maybe be the best player in the game, but right now i wouldnt even put him in the top 3 or 4.
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The only reason Lamar Odom praises Kobe is so that he can get the ball on occassion. He knows that if he bad mouths Kobe that he will go from shooting 7 times a game to 2.
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You must be trippin man...Kobe is a great leader, if you ever watch Laker games you can see him mentoring players during timeouts and helping out the younger guys...He's like an assistant to Hamblem...It's ridiculous to say Kobe isn't a leader when all the players who came from different teams to play with Kobe are playing better this season...Chris Mihm, Chucky Atkins, Caron Butler, Tierre Brown, and a steadily improving Lamar Odom are all playing some of their best basketball with Kobe as the team leader...Remember, Cleveland has two All-Stars, so that means LeBron has another impact player on his side, while Kobe only has a potential impact player in Lamar Odom...Jordan had an All-Star in Pippen, T-Mac has an All-Star in Yao, while Kobe, though sorrounded by talent, remains the only All-Star on the Lakers...So keep that in mind, and when Lamar improves to full potential, you'll realize how dumb you sounded when you claimed Kobe wasn't a leader...And I'm faded as fuck...PeACe
Kobe is a leader when the camera's are on. In the lockerroom, on planes, during pre-game, or anywhere that doesn't include reporters and cameras, Kobe is a bitch. Players have always said that he keeps to himself, does his own thing, doesn't include anybody, how is that a leader? Yeah, when you see a game on TV, of course he's going to give the whole "I'm a leader, I care for this team, this is my team" deal because everybody can watch him. Kobe is a somewhat intelligent individual. He watches SportsCenter, he reads newspapers, he hears what people think about him...IMO, it's all an act.
thank you.
As for Jordan having Pippen, Pippens game was elevated because of Jordan. His game developed while playing with Jordan. Once Jordan left, Pippen wasnt shit. U can argue that Kobe doesnt have anyone with him right now, which is kinda true. Which is also why i said he wont be winning any championships unless he gets another superstar. He's selfish, face it. Anyone who pays attention can see it. Im not knocking his game, he is good. But his attitude will keep him from being anything more then he is now. And he will NEVER reach Jordans level. You saw how Jordan was able to evolve his game through the loss of some of his athletisism. You have to humble yourself in order to do that. Understand that you arent what you once were, and change. You think Kobe will humble himself when he loses his athletisism? LOL yeah right, he'll just complain and make excuses about why he's not doing well. He's a spoiled little rich kid baby, that cries when he doesnt get his way. Period.
You guys are made haters...Ask Lamar Odom, Rudy T, Frank Hamblen, Chris Mihm, Caron Butler, Luke Walton, etc...They all praise Kobe for his help and mentoring...I don't understand how you guys can judge this guy so fucking hard when you don't even know him...You guys are the ones who watch too much SportsCenter...PeACe
whats funny, is when the media is talking good about Kobe....you try to use them as your backbone for your argument. When he falls off in the media, and they question him....u say "you guys watch too much sportscenter" lol. Its all about opening your eyes and not being sucha "fan" that you cant see the truth. U named a buncha Lakers and Lakers front office people as ones who think Koba is sucha great help lol. As if any of them are gonna dog him out to the media! Ha....how stupid would that make their front office look.
Front Office? I named a bunch of players and 2 coaches....Players criticize teammates all the time, but Kobe's teammates seem to do nothing but praise him...Hell, how often do you hear a coach call out a player through the media?...Rudy-T's done it, shit, so has Frank Hamblen...But they've done nothing but praise Kobe all season long...I think he's doing a great job carrying this team, being the only leader...Shit, they're still in the playoffs...Compare that to Tracy McGrady's solo attempt with the Magic last year...PeACe
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The only reason Lamar Odom praises Kobe is so that he can get the ball on occassion. He knows that if he bad mouths Kobe that he will go from shooting 7 times a game to 2.
Lamar Odom averages about 15 field goals a game...Kobe Bryant is only 12th in the league in field goals attempted per game...Kobe Bryant averages 7 assists a game...If you're going with the old "Kobe is a ballhog" haterism, try something new, cuz there's proof against that one...PeACe
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The only reason Lamar Odom praises Kobe is so that he can get the ball on occassion. He knows that if he bad mouths Kobe that he will go from shooting 7 times a game to 2.
Lamar Odom averages about 15 field goals a game...Kobe Bryant is only 12th in the league in field goals attempted per game...Kobe Bryant averages 7 assists a game...If you're going with the old "Kobe is a ballhog" haterism, try something new, cuz there's proof against that one...PeACe
The numbers in my post are called sarcasm. And, if you want to get technical, Kobe's only average 6.7 apg.
Seriously now...
As myself and many other people have stated, Kobe knows that the media is on him, he's not stupid, he's going to make himself look like a team player now because all the heat is on him. Even though, and everybody knows this, he's never been a team player.
The fact is, Kobe is and will always be remembered as being a selfish player that broke up a great team because of me, myself, and I.
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You must be trippin man...Kobe is a great leader, if you ever watch Laker games you can see him mentoring players during timeouts and helping out the younger guys...He's like an assistant to Hamblem...It's ridiculous to say Kobe isn't a leader when all the players who came from different teams to play with Kobe are playing better this season...Chris Mihm, Chucky Atkins, Caron Butler, Tierre Brown, and a steadily improving Lamar Odom are all playing some of their best basketball with Kobe as the team leader...Remember, Cleveland has two All-Stars, so that means LeBron has another impact player on his side, while Kobe only has a potential impact player in Lamar Odom...Jordan had an All-Star in Pippen, T-Mac has an All-Star in Yao, while Kobe, though sorrounded by talent, remains the only All-Star on the Lakers...So keep that in mind, and when Lamar improves to full potential, you'll realize how dumb you sounded when you claimed Kobe wasn't a leader...And I'm faded as fuck...PeACe
Kobe is a leader when the camera's are on. In the lockerroom, on planes, during pre-game, or anywhere that doesn't include reporters and cameras, Kobe is a bitch. Players have always said that he keeps to himself, does his own thing, doesn't include anybody, how is that a leader? Yeah, when you see a game on TV, of course he's going to give the whole "I'm a leader, I care for this team, this is my team" deal because everybody can watch him. Kobe is a somewhat intelligent individual. He watches SportsCenter, he reads newspapers, he hears what people think about him...IMO, it's all an act.
thank you.
As for Jordan having Pippen, Pippens game was elevated because of Jordan. His game developed while playing with Jordan. Once Jordan left, Pippen wasnt shit. U can argue that Kobe doesnt have anyone with him right now, which is kinda true. Which is also why i said he wont be winning any championships unless he gets another superstar. He's selfish, face it. Anyone who pays attention can see it. Im not knocking his game, he is good. But his attitude will keep him from being anything more then he is now. And he will NEVER reach Jordans level. You saw how Jordan was able to evolve his game through the loss of some of his athletisism. You have to humble yourself in order to do that. Understand that you arent what you once were, and change. You think Kobe will humble himself when he loses his athletisism? LOL yeah right, he'll just complain and make excuses about why he's not doing well. He's a spoiled little rich kid baby, that cries when he doesnt get his way. Period.
You guys are made haters...Ask Lamar Odom, Rudy T, Frank Hamblen, Chris Mihm, Caron Butler, Luke Walton, etc...They all praise Kobe for his help and mentoring...I don't understand how you guys can judge this guy so fucking hard when you don't even know him...You guys are the ones who watch too much SportsCenter...PeACe
whats funny, is when the media is talking good about Kobe....you try to use them as your backbone for your argument. When he falls off in the media, and they question him....u say "you guys watch too much sportscenter" lol. Its all about opening your eyes and not being sucha "fan" that you cant see the truth. U named a buncha Lakers and Lakers front office people as ones who think Koba is sucha great help lol. As if any of them are gonna dog him out to the media! Ha....how stupid would that make their front office look.
Front Office? I named a bunch of players and 2 coaches....Players criticize teammates all the time, but Kobe's teammates seem to do nothing but praise him...Hell, how often do you hear a coach call out a player through the media?...Rudy-T's done it, shit, so has Frank Hamblen...But they've done nothing but praise Kobe all season long...I think he's doing a great job carrying this team, being the only leader...Shit, they're still in the playoffs...Compare that to Tracy McGrady's solo attempt with the Magic last year...PeACe
more then likely they wont be in the playoffs this year. if you played for an organization that let Shaq go in order to keep Kobe, you wouldnt criticize him either...no matter how much of an ass he is. I do like the fact that the Heat are doing good this year and the Lakers suck lol
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hey but maybe if u guys didnt pay so much attention to sportcenter u would realize that shaq asked to be traded because phil jackson was fire, so what if he was fired that doesnt mean that they cant win. if u ask me shaq is the one with the attitude problem because hes the one throwin shots at kobe. kobe has taken the higher road. shaq is still talkin to this very day whichi i think is very immature. and i dont believe that crap where he said that he didnt know phil got fired. he realized that his time had passed and the team was going to be given to kobe bryant and shaq was going to be the second option and thats why he asked for the trade. and for the guys that said kobe wont win more championshiops regardless of what u say he won three which is more than half the league will ever win in their careers. u guys forget that he only 26 years old.
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hey but maybe if u guys didnt pay so much attention to sportcenter u would realize that shaq asked to be traded because phil jackson was fire, so what if he was fired that doesnt mean that they cant win. if u ask me shaq is the one with the attitude problem because hes the one throwin shots at kobe. kobe has taken the higher road. shaq is still talkin to this very day whichi i think is very immature. and i dont believe that crap where he said that he didnt know phil got fired. he realized that his time had passed and the team was going to be given to kobe bryant and shaq was going to be the second option and thats why he asked for the trade. and for the guys that said kobe wont win more championshiops regardless of what u say he won three which is more than half the league will ever win in their careers. u guys forget that he only 26 years old.
Wow, I like that. Especially those little comments that I put in bold. What I don't understand is that Shaq (who, as you claim,time has passed) went to another team and they are in first place...the team that Shaq left is going to struggle to make the playoffs and, even if they do, get bounced by the Spurs in the first round round. While, simultaneously, in the East, Shaq's new team is probably going to make a run at the Eastern Conference Championship and a trip to the Finals. Hmmm...maybe you should quit going to koobeistehawesemoestbasketabllpalayerinthewrlod.com and open your eyes.
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You must be trippin man...Kobe is a great leader, if you ever watch Laker games you can see him mentoring players during timeouts and helping out the younger guys...He's like an assistant to Hamblem...It's ridiculous to say Kobe isn't a leader when all the players who came from different teams to play with Kobe are playing better this season...Chris Mihm, Chucky Atkins, Caron Butler, Tierre Brown, and a steadily improving Lamar Odom are all playing some of their best basketball with Kobe as the team leader...Remember, Cleveland has two All-Stars, so that means LeBron has another impact player on his side, while Kobe only has a potential impact player in Lamar Odom...Jordan had an All-Star in Pippen, T-Mac has an All-Star in Yao, while Kobe, though sorrounded by talent, remains the only All-Star on the Lakers...So keep that in mind, and when Lamar improves to full potential, you'll realize how dumb you sounded when you claimed Kobe wasn't a leader...And I'm faded as fuck...PeACe
Kobe is a leader when the camera's are on. In the lockerroom, on planes, during pre-game, or anywhere that doesn't include reporters and cameras, Kobe is a bitch. Players have always said that he keeps to himself, does his own thing, doesn't include anybody, how is that a leader? Yeah, when you see a game on TV, of course he's going to give the whole "I'm a leader, I care for this team, this is my team" deal because everybody can watch him. Kobe is a somewhat intelligent individual. He watches SportsCenter, he reads newspapers, he hears what people think about him...IMO, it's all an act.
thank you.
As for Jordan having Pippen, Pippens game was elevated because of Jordan. His game developed while playing with Jordan. Once Jordan left, Pippen wasnt shit. U can argue that Kobe doesnt have anyone with him right now, which is kinda true. Which is also why i said he wont be winning any championships unless he gets another superstar. He's selfish, face it. Anyone who pays attention can see it. Im not knocking his game, he is good. But his attitude will keep him from being anything more then he is now. And he will NEVER reach Jordans level. You saw how Jordan was able to evolve his game through the loss of some of his athletisism. You have to humble yourself in order to do that. Understand that you arent what you once were, and change. You think Kobe will humble himself when he loses his athletisism? LOL yeah right, he'll just complain and make excuses about why he's not doing well. He's a spoiled little rich kid baby, that cries when he doesnt get his way. Period.
You guys are made haters...Ask Lamar Odom, Rudy T, Frank Hamblen, Chris Mihm, Caron Butler, Luke Walton, etc...They all praise Kobe for his help and mentoring...I don't understand how you guys can judge this guy so fucking hard when you don't even know him...You guys are the ones who watch too much SportsCenter...PeACe
whats funny, is when the media is talking good about Kobe....you try to use them as your backbone for your argument. When he falls off in the media, and they question him....u say "you guys watch too much sportscenter" lol. Its all about opening your eyes and not being sucha "fan" that you cant see the truth. U named a buncha Lakers and Lakers front office people as ones who think Koba is sucha great help lol. As if any of them are gonna dog him out to the media! Ha....how stupid would that make their front office look.
Front Office? I named a bunch of players and 2 coaches....Players criticize teammates all the time, but Kobe's teammates seem to do nothing but praise him...Hell, how often do you hear a coach call out a player through the media?...Rudy-T's done it, shit, so has Frank Hamblen...But they've done nothing but praise Kobe all season long...I think he's doing a great job carrying this team, being the only leader...Shit, they're still in the playoffs...Compare that to Tracy McGrady's solo attempt with the Magic last year...PeACe
more then likely they wont be in the playoffs this year. if you played for an organization that let Shaq go in order to keep Kobe, you wouldnt criticize him either...no matter how much of an ass he is. I do like the fact that the Heat are doing good this year and the Lakers suck lol
It's not THAT funny when Shaq isn't even the best player on the Heat... 8)
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hey but maybe if u guys didnt pay so much attention to sportcenter u would realize that shaq asked to be traded because phil jackson was fire, so what if he was fired that doesnt mean that they cant win. if u ask me shaq is the one with the attitude problem because hes the one throwin shots at kobe. kobe has taken the higher road. shaq is still talkin to this very day whichi i think is very immature. and i dont believe that crap where he said that he didnt know phil got fired. he realized that his time had passed and the team was going to be given to kobe bryant and shaq was going to be the second option and thats why he asked for the trade. and for the guys that said kobe wont win more championshiops regardless of what u say he won three which is more than half the league will ever win in their careers. u guys forget that he only 26 years old.
Wow, I like that. Especially those little comments that I put in bold. What I don't understand is that Shaq (who, as you claim,time has passed) went to another team and they are in first place...the team that Shaq left is going to struggle to make the playoffs and, even if they do, get bounced by the Spurs in the first round round. While, simultaneously, in the East, Shaq's new team is probably going to make a run at the Eastern Conference Championship and a trip to the Finals. Hmmm...maybe you should quit going to koobeistehawesemoestbasketabllpalayerinthewrlod.com and open your eyes.
You're a retard...The difference between the Lakers and the Heat is Dwayne Wade...Kobe doesn't have a franchise player like Wade on his side, you moron.
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hey but maybe if u guys didnt pay so much attention to sportcenter u would realize that shaq asked to be traded because phil jackson was fire, so what if he was fired that doesnt mean that they cant win. if u ask me shaq is the one with the attitude problem because hes the one throwin shots at kobe. kobe has taken the higher road. shaq is still talkin to this very day whichi i think is very immature. and i dont believe that crap where he said that he didnt know phil got fired. he realized that his time had passed and the team was going to be given to kobe bryant and shaq was going to be the second option and thats why he asked for the trade. and for the guys that said kobe wont win more championshiops regardless of what u say he won three which is more than half the league will ever win in their careers. u guys forget that he only 26 years old.
Wow, I like that. Especially those little comments that I put in bold. What I don't understand is that Shaq (who, as you claim,time has passed) went to another team and they are in first place...the team that Shaq left is going to struggle to make the playoffs and, even if they do, get bounced by the Spurs in the first round round. While, simultaneously, in the East, Shaq's new team is probably going to make a run at the Eastern Conference Championship and a trip to the Finals. Hmmm...maybe you should quit going to koobeistehawesemoestbasketabllpalayerinthewrlod.com and open your eyes.
You're a retard...The difference between the Lakers and the Heat is Dwayne Wade...Kobe doesn't have a franchise player like Wade on his side, you moron.
how come when someone criticizes the Lakers "supporting cast", oir when you wanna make the Lakers look better then they are....u say how great Odom is, and Butler, and every other mediocre player on the team is. But when some criticizes Kobe...u say that he's doing it all alone without any other good players lol. Duncan didnt have any other superstar last year. They didnt struggle to make the playoffs. Guess there goes that whole "kobe is a better leader then Duncan" argument lol
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hey but maybe if u guys didnt pay so much attention to sportcenter u would realize that shaq asked to be traded because phil jackson was fire, so what if he was fired that doesnt mean that they cant win. if u ask me shaq is the one with the attitude problem because hes the one throwin shots at kobe. kobe has taken the higher road. shaq is still talkin to this very day whichi i think is very immature. and i dont believe that crap where he said that he didnt know phil got fired. he realized that his time had passed and the team was going to be given to kobe bryant and shaq was going to be the second option and thats why he asked for the trade. and for the guys that said kobe wont win more championshiops regardless of what u say he won three which is more than half the league will ever win in their careers. u guys forget that he only 26 years old.
Wow, I like that. Especially those little comments that I put in bold. What I don't understand is that Shaq (who, as you claim,time has passed) went to another team and they are in first place...the team that Shaq left is going to struggle to make the playoffs and, even if they do, get bounced by the Spurs in the first round round. While, simultaneously, in the East, Shaq's new team is probably going to make a run at the Eastern Conference Championship and a trip to the Finals. Hmmm...maybe you should quit going to koobeistehawesemoestbasketabllpalayerinthewrlod.com and open your eyes.
You're a retard...The difference between the Lakers and the Heat is Dwayne Wade...Kobe doesn't have a franchise player like Wade on his side, you moron.
how come when someone criticizes the Lakers "supporting cast", oir when you wanna make the Lakers look better then they are....u say how great Odom is, and Butler, and every other mediocre player on the team is. But when some criticizes Kobe...u say that he's doing it all alone without any other good players lol. Duncan didnt have any other superstar last year. They didnt struggle to make the playoffs. Guess there goes that whole "kobe is a better leader then Duncan" argument lol
LMAO...I never claimed Lamar Odom and Caron Butler were franchise players...Lamar has the potential to be, but he's no where near a franchise player right now...But yes, he does have a lot of talent and potential...Now you're saying Duncan didn't have anyone? Duncan has two stars in Tony Parker and Manu Ginobli, and every player on San Antonio is practically a defensive specialist...LMAO, compare the Lakers without Kobe to the Spurs without Duncan...Stop proving your idiocy.
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thanks blowed....as for the other guy.... lets say u were an nba owner and u have an aging center....a good center but on the decline....and he was askin u for 30 million dollars a year for 7 years...and u cant sign any other players because hes taking up all the money...would u do it? how r u going to win? u cant sign any players. plus he comes into the season overweight because he knows hes being paid 30 a year regardless......or do u want a player who will be gettin 15 mil a year and young with the chance to sign anyother players....and not to mention his work ethic... that u cant deny. everyone in the league knows he plays through pain and shaq? a little calf injury missiing 15 games per year? saying that he should get surgery on company time and not on his time? sure shaqs teams is in first place in the EASTERN conference. i never said that the lakers didnt need shaq's presence. of course they do! anyone would, but his attitude and his work ethic had to go and he didnt want to fix it. the only reason hes in shape right now is because helllooooo this is contract year!! he wants his contract hes not even the best player on his team but he doesnt want to say anything.... why you guys?????
CAUSE ITS CONTRACT YEAR. HE WANTS HIS CONTRACT EXTENDED. THAT IS WHY0
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everybody says kobe...but he had a monster to help him win those 3 titles....no one is close to jordan
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hey but maybe if u guys didnt pay so much attention to sportcenter u would realize that shaq asked to be traded because phil jackson was fire, so what if he was fired that doesnt mean that they cant win. if u ask me shaq is the one with the attitude problem because hes the one throwin shots at kobe. kobe has taken the higher road. shaq is still talkin to this very day whichi i think is very immature. and i dont believe that crap where he said that he didnt know phil got fired. he realized that his time had passed and the team was going to be given to kobe bryant and shaq was going to be the second option and thats why he asked for the trade. and for the guys that said kobe wont win more championshiops regardless of what u say he won three which is more than half the league will ever win in their careers. u guys forget that he only 26 years old.
Wow, I like that. Especially those little comments that I put in bold. What I don't understand is that Shaq (who, as you claim,time has passed) went to another team and they are in first place...the team that Shaq left is going to struggle to make the playoffs and, even if they do, get bounced by the Spurs in the first round round. While, simultaneously, in the East, Shaq's new team is probably going to make a run at the Eastern Conference Championship and a trip to the Finals. Hmmm...maybe you should quit going to koobeistehawesemoestbasketabllpalayerinthewrlod.com and open your eyes.
You're a retard...The difference between the Lakers and the Heat is Dwayne Wade...Kobe doesn't have a franchise player like Wade on his side, you moron.
Kobe is the Franchise player lol
anywayz. People are saying James is somewhere between a Jordan and Magic. He might end up with 25, 7, and 7 (points, assists and rebounds)...Jordan only did that once! Not bad for a second year player.
I also think my wolves wont make the playoffs (jesus christ GARNETT! do somthin!)..lakers will make the playoffs
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hey but maybe if u guys didnt pay so much attention to sportcenter u would realize that shaq asked to be traded because phil jackson was fire, so what if he was fired that doesnt mean that they cant win. if u ask me shaq is the one with the attitude problem because hes the one throwin shots at kobe. kobe has taken the higher road. shaq is still talkin to this very day whichi i think is very immature. and i dont believe that crap where he said that he didnt know phil got fired. he realized that his time had passed and the team was going to be given to kobe bryant and shaq was going to be the second option and thats why he asked for the trade. and for the guys that said kobe wont win more championshiops regardless of what u say he won three which is more than half the league will ever win in their careers. u guys forget that he only 26 years old.
Wow, I like that. Especially those little comments that I put in bold. What I don't understand is that Shaq (who, as you claim,time has passed) went to another team and they are in first place...the team that Shaq left is going to struggle to make the playoffs and, even if they do, get bounced by the Spurs in the first round round. While, simultaneously, in the East, Shaq's new team is probably going to make a run at the Eastern Conference Championship and a trip to the Finals. Hmmm...maybe you should quit going to koobeistehawesemoestbasketabllpalayerinthewrlod.com and open your eyes.
You're a retard...The difference between the Lakers and the Heat is Dwayne Wade...Kobe doesn't have a franchise player like Wade on his side, you moron.
how come when someone criticizes the Lakers "supporting cast", oir when you wanna make the Lakers look better then they are....u say how great Odom is, and Butler, and every other mediocre player on the team is. But when some criticizes Kobe...u say that he's doing it all alone without any other good players lol. Duncan didnt have any other superstar last year. They didnt struggle to make the playoffs. Guess there goes that whole "kobe is a better leader then Duncan" argument lol
LMAO...I never claimed Lamar Odom and Caron Butler were franchise players...Lamar has the potential to be, but he's no where near a franchise player right now...But yes, he does have a lot of talent and potential...Now you're saying Duncan didn't have anyone? Duncan has two stars in Tony Parker and Manu Ginobli, and every player on San Antonio is practically a defensive specialist...LMAO, compare the Lakers without Kobe to the Spurs without Duncan...Stop proving your idiocy.
LOL! Dummy. Nobody said you claimed Odom a franchise player. But u consistently build him up like he's great in order to make your team seem good. Then turn around and say Kobe has nobody in order to make HIM look good lol. Face it, like i said before....Kobe cant win SHIT without Shaq. And he wont win SHIT until another superstar is there to carry his ass. He's that little retarded kid that always want to play when your tryna have a game. Everytime they get the ball they just throw it at the rim, even if theyre at half court. Somebody else needs to be there to keep this retard under control, and lead the team lol
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thanks blowed....as for the other guy.... lets say u were an nba owner and u have an aging center....a good center but on the decline....and he was askin u for 30 million dollars a year for 7 years...and u cant sign any other players because hes taking up all the money...would u do it? how r u going to win? u cant sign any players. plus he comes into the season overweight because he knows hes being paid 30 a year regardless......or do u want a player who will be gettin 15 mil a year and young with the chance to sign anyother players....and not to mention his work ethic... that u cant deny. everyone in the league knows he plays through pain and shaq? a little calf injury missiing 15 games per year? saying that he should get surgery on company time and not on his time? sure shaqs teams is in first place in the EASTERN conference. i never said that the lakers didnt need shaq's presence. of course they do! anyone would, but his attitude and his work ethic had to go and he didnt want to fix it. the only reason hes in shape right now is because helllooooo this is contract year!! he wants his contract hes not even the best player on his team but he doesnt want to say anything.... why you guys?????
CAUSE ITS CONTRACT YEAR. HE WANTS HIS CONTRACT EXTENDED. THAT IS WHY0
i didnt say that the Lakers should have kept Shaq instead of Kobe anyways, ONLY based on his age and how many years he might have left. Of course Shaq was the more valuable player during their little title runs. But it is obvious that Kobe cant win when he's the only star. He cant handle it. And what are u talkin about playing through pain? lol When has Kobe had real pain? He turns little injuries into big fuckin deals. Limpin around the court to draw attention to himself. Then the next shot walking with no limp at all, as if he forgot that the camera was on him lol. He's the biggest fake in the league...maybe ever. Shaq at least doesnt draw attention to his OWN injuries, the media talks about it more then he does. Bottom line, kobe's the leader now. And wow....the Lakers are really tearing it up lol. They remind me of the Bulls when Jordan retired and Pippen was the lone star. The Bulls made the playoffs. The Lakers MIGHT, MIGHT not. Remember that old thread comparing Kobe to Jordan? lol Maybe Kobe to Pippen....if they make the playoffs that is ;D
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hey but maybe if u guys didnt pay so much attention to sportcenter u would realize that shaq asked to be traded because phil jackson was fire, so what if he was fired that doesnt mean that they cant win. if u ask me shaq is the one with the attitude problem because hes the one throwin shots at kobe. kobe has taken the higher road. shaq is still talkin to this very day whichi i think is very immature. and i dont believe that crap where he said that he didnt know phil got fired. he realized that his time had passed and the team was going to be given to kobe bryant and shaq was going to be the second option and thats why he asked for the trade. and for the guys that said kobe wont win more championshiops regardless of what u say he won three which is more than half the league will ever win in their careers. u guys forget that he only 26 years old.
Wow, I like that. Especially those little comments that I put in bold. What I don't understand is that Shaq (who, as you claim,time has passed) went to another team and they are in first place...the team that Shaq left is going to struggle to make the playoffs and, even if they do, get bounced by the Spurs in the first round round. While, simultaneously, in the East, Shaq's new team is probably going to make a run at the Eastern Conference Championship and a trip to the Finals. Hmmm...maybe you should quit going to koobeistehawesemoestbasketabllpalayerinthewrlod.com and open your eyes.
You're a retard...The difference between the Lakers and the Heat is Dwayne Wade...Kobe doesn't have a franchise player like Wade on his side, you moron.
Kobe is the Franchise player lol
Kobe is a franchise player, but Dwayne Wade and Shaq are BOTH franchise players, which could explain Miami's succes and LA's decline...PeACe
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hey but maybe if u guys didnt pay so much attention to sportcenter u would realize that shaq asked to be traded because phil jackson was fire, so what if he was fired that doesnt mean that they cant win. if u ask me shaq is the one with the attitude problem because hes the one throwin shots at kobe. kobe has taken the higher road. shaq is still talkin to this very day whichi i think is very immature. and i dont believe that crap where he said that he didnt know phil got fired. he realized that his time had passed and the team was going to be given to kobe bryant and shaq was going to be the second option and thats why he asked for the trade. and for the guys that said kobe wont win more championshiops regardless of what u say he won three which is more than half the league will ever win in their careers. u guys forget that he only 26 years old.
Wow, I like that. Especially those little comments that I put in bold. What I don't understand is that Shaq (who, as you claim,time has passed) went to another team and they are in first place...the team that Shaq left is going to struggle to make the playoffs and, even if they do, get bounced by the Spurs in the first round round. While, simultaneously, in the East, Shaq's new team is probably going to make a run at the Eastern Conference Championship and a trip to the Finals. Hmmm...maybe you should quit going to koobeistehawesemoestbasketabllpalayerinthewrlod.com and open your eyes.
You're a retard...The difference between the Lakers and the Heat is Dwayne Wade...Kobe doesn't have a franchise player like Wade on his side, you moron.
how come when someone criticizes the Lakers "supporting cast", oir when you wanna make the Lakers look better then they are....u say how great Odom is, and Butler, and every other mediocre player on the team is. But when some criticizes Kobe...u say that he's doing it all alone without any other good players lol. Duncan didnt have any other superstar last year. They didnt struggle to make the playoffs. Guess there goes that whole "kobe is a better leader then Duncan" argument lol
LMAO...I never claimed Lamar Odom and Caron Butler were franchise players...Lamar has the potential to be, but he's no where near a franchise player right now...But yes, he does have a lot of talent and potential...Now you're saying Duncan didn't have anyone? Duncan has two stars in Tony Parker and Manu Ginobli, and every player on San Antonio is practically a defensive specialist...LMAO, compare the Lakers without Kobe to the Spurs without Duncan...Stop proving your idiocy.
LOL! Dummy. Nobody said you claimed Odom a franchise player. But u consistently build him up like he's great in order to make your team seem good. Then turn around and say Kobe has nobody in order to make HIM look good lol. Face it, like i said before....Kobe cant win SHIT without Shaq. And he wont win SHIT until another superstar is there to carry his ass. He's that little retarded kid that always want to play when your tryna have a game. Everytime they get the ball they just throw it at the rim, even if theyre at half court. Somebody else needs to be there to keep this retard under control, and lead the team lol
^^Anyone who knows anything about basketball would take a big fat shit on this whole paragraph...You fucking moron, I never said Lamar Odom is great, I said he has potential to be great...Kobe can win without Shaq, he just needs players who know what theyre doing and have experience on his side, not players who rely on him 100%, like the rest of the Lakers do now...Lakers need a good coach to put them in place...Hopefully Phil returns...PeACe
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hey but maybe if u guys didnt pay so much attention to sportcenter u would realize that shaq asked to be traded because phil jackson was fire, so what if he was fired that doesnt mean that they cant win. if u ask me shaq is the one with the attitude problem because hes the one throwin shots at kobe. kobe has taken the higher road. shaq is still talkin to this very day whichi i think is very immature. and i dont believe that crap where he said that he didnt know phil got fired. he realized that his time had passed and the team was going to be given to kobe bryant and shaq was going to be the second option and thats why he asked for the trade. and for the guys that said kobe wont win more championshiops regardless of what u say he won three which is more than half the league will ever win in their careers. u guys forget that he only 26 years old.
Wow, I like that. Especially those little comments that I put in bold. What I don't understand is that Shaq (who, as you claim,time has passed) went to another team and they are in first place...the team that Shaq left is going to struggle to make the playoffs and, even if they do, get bounced by the Spurs in the first round round. While, simultaneously, in the East, Shaq's new team is probably going to make a run at the Eastern Conference Championship and a trip to the Finals. Hmmm...maybe you should quit going to koobeistehawesemoestbasketabllpalayerinthewrlod.com and open your eyes.
You're a retard...The difference between the Lakers and the Heat is Dwayne Wade...Kobe doesn't have a franchise player like Wade on his side, you moron.
how come when someone criticizes the Lakers "supporting cast", oir when you wanna make the Lakers look better then they are....u say how great Odom is, and Butler, and every other mediocre player on the team is. But when some criticizes Kobe...u say that he's doing it all alone without any other good players lol. Duncan didnt have any other superstar last year. They didnt struggle to make the playoffs. Guess there goes that whole "kobe is a better leader then Duncan" argument lol
LMAO...I never claimed Lamar Odom and Caron Butler were franchise players...Lamar has the potential to be, but he's no where near a franchise player right now...But yes, he does have a lot of talent and potential...Now you're saying Duncan didn't have anyone? Duncan has two stars in Tony Parker and Manu Ginobli, and every player on San Antonio is practically a defensive specialist...LMAO, compare the Lakers without Kobe to the Spurs without Duncan...Stop proving your idiocy.
LOL! Dummy. Nobody said you claimed Odom a franchise player. But u consistently build him up like he's great in order to make your team seem good. Then turn around and say Kobe has nobody in order to make HIM look good lol. Face it, like i said before....Kobe cant win SHIT without Shaq. And he wont win SHIT until another superstar is there to carry his ass. He's that little retarded kid that always want to play when your tryna have a game. Everytime they get the ball they just throw it at the rim, even if theyre at half court. Somebody else needs to be there to keep this retard under control, and lead the team lol
^^Anyone who knows anything about basketball would take a big fat shit on this whole paragraph...You fucking moron, I never said Lamar Odom is great, I said he has potential to be great...Kobe can win without Shaq, he just needs players who know what theyre doing and have experience on his side, not players who rely on him 100%, like the rest of the Lakers do now...Lakers need a good coach to put them in place...Hopefully Phil returns...PeACe
Like i said, theres your difference. Pippen had the "potential to be great", and under Jordan he became that. Odom, according to YOU has the "potential to be great", with Kobe as a teammate....and he wont be. Keep on leading Kobe! Your team sucks, your little hero isnt as good as u thought,face it NIK...its over unless the Lakers go buy themselves another superstar to be the go to guy. Or unless somebody smacks the shit outta Kobe with the maturity stick.
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NO ONE outside of LA or some 12 year old kobe fans think he is even close to MJ or better the Lebron now....he cant even cary his team to the 8th seed....lebron makes players around him better which is why he is better now....ask any NBA analyst
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NO ONE outside of LA or some 12 year old kobe fans think he is even close to MJ or better the Lebron now....he cant even cary his team to the 8th seed....lebron makes players around him better which is why he is better now....ask any NBA analyst
or about 5 other players in the league right now...
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lebron. no more kobe excuses. ;D
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I chose LeBron James for two reason..............he's my favorite player right now and bcoz he ain't a rat like Kobe. i once talked about Kobe on my block alot but when he said that Shaq had something witt a chic in 2002 and paid her 2 keep it under wraps i lost respect for him. he's tha 50 Cent of tha NBA.
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NO ONE outside of LA or some 12 year old kobe fans think he is even close to MJ or better the Lebron now....he cant even cary his team to the 8th seed....lebron makes players around him better which is why he is better now....ask any NBA analyst
Just because every player on the Lakers other than Kobe can't stay consistant, doesn't make Kobe any less of a player...You need to check your shit...You think Miami would be doing as well without Dwayne Wayde? NOBODY can win a championship by themselves...At least Jordan had a great coach and teamwork to work with...Lakers are in the rebuilding stages. I mean, shit, cut them some slack...They don't even have a real coach yet and they're still well up in the playoff race...I bet if you put Kobe in place of LeBron on Cleveland's current team, they'd easily be one of the top seeds in the East...Half you people base your opinions on highlights. I doubt any of you have watched more than 3 Laker games this season...
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NO ONE outside of LA or some 12 year old kobe fans think he is even close to MJ or better the Lebron now....he cant even cary his team to the 8th seed....lebron makes players around him better which is why he is better now....ask any NBA analyst
Just because every player on the Lakers other than Kobe can't stay consistant, doesn't make Kobe any less of a player...You need to check your shit...You think Miami would be doing as well without Dwayne Wayde? NOBODY can win a championship by themselves...At least Jordan had a great coach and teamwork to work with...Lakers are in the rebuilding stages. I mean, shit, cut them some slack...They don't even have a real coach yet and they're still well up in the playoff race...I bet if you put Kobe in place of LeBron on Cleveland's current team, they'd easily be one of the top seeds in the East...Half you people base your opinions on highlights. I doubt any of you have watched more than 3 Laker games this season...
lol and you base your opinions on the words of Laker players and Laker analysts. Get your OWN opinion, dont just keep repeating others.
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lol and you base your opinions on the words of Laker players and Laker analysts. Get your OWN opinion, dont just keep repeating others.
^^^^^Co-Sign
i guess that's how they go around doin' things they say what other people are sayin' to get some love but in reality they are just being cunts
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NO ONE outside of LA or some 12 year old kobe fans think he is even close to MJ or better the Lebron now....he cant even cary his team to the 8th seed....lebron makes players around him better which is why he is better now....ask any NBA analyst
Just because every player on the Lakers other than Kobe can't stay consistant, doesn't make Kobe any less of a player...You need to check your shit...You think Miami would be doing as well without Dwayne Wayde? NOBODY can win a championship by themselves...At least Jordan had a great coach and teamwork to work with...Lakers are in the rebuilding stages. I mean, shit, cut them some slack...They don't even have a real coach yet and they're still well up in the playoff race...I bet if you put Kobe in place of LeBron on Cleveland's current team, they'd easily be one of the top seeds in the East...Half you people base your opinions on highlights. I doubt any of you have watched more than 3 Laker games this season...
lol and you base your opinions on the words of Laker players and Laker analysts. Get your OWN opinion, dont just keep repeating others.
I'm basing my opinion on what I see...Kobe is playing excellent, it's everyone around him who just watches...The whole team depends on Kobe...I wish more people knew their shit.
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I'm basing my opinion on what I see...Kobe is playing excellent, it's everyone around him who just watches...The whole team depends on Kobe...I wish more people knew their shit.
tha same thing can be said about LeBron James.............. :)
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I'm basing my opinion on what I see...Kobe is playing excellent, it's everyone around him who just watches...The whole team depends on Kobe...I wish more people knew their shit.
tha same thing can be said about LeBron James.............. :)
No it can't...LeBron has a proven all-star center in Ilgauskas and a bunch of other players playing to their full potential, like McInnis and Gooden...Kobe is working with much less at the moment...PeACe
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No it can't...LeBron has a proven all-star center in Ilgauskas and a bunch of other players playing to their full potential, like McInnis and Gooden...Kobe is working with much less at the moment...PeACe
Kobe has Lamar Odom who proven to be real good stop complaining this is what he wanted don't forget that, when he had Shaq, Fisher, Fox & Karl Malone whoc did LeBron have ?
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No it can't...LeBron has a proven all-star center in Ilgauskas and a bunch of other players playing to their full potential, like McInnis and Gooden...Kobe is working with much less at the moment...PeACe
Kobe has Lamar Odom who proven to be real good stop complaining this is what he wanted don't forget that, when he had Shaq, Fisher, Fox & Karl Malone whoc did LeBron have ?
Kobe is a way better player than LeBron, end of story... 8)
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Kobe Bryant = Basketball version of 50 Cent, Sammy "The Bull" Gravano..........a big fucking rat End Of Story............. 8)
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Kobe Bryant = Basketball version of 50 Cent, Sammy "The Bull" Gravano..........a big fucking rat End Of Story............. 8)
lol.... :-\
Sorry dude
Guess u didn't watch Kobe (3-12-05) last night vs. Bobcats.
if that ain't Jordan esqe, what is, actually it's Kobe-esqe ;)
Hatesrats 2oo0V
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lol.... :-\
Sorry dude
Guess u didn't watch Kobe (3-12-05) last night vs. Bobcats.
if that ain't Jordan esqe, what is, actually it's Kobe-esqe ;)
Hatesrats 2oo0V
when i saw i got an e-mail from this topic i didn't want to come an check it out coz i saw his performance lastnite and i was thinking i was about for a verbal whipping from Now_Im_Blowed lmao......... :D
that was very Jordan esqe lastnite by Kobe but he's still a rat ;D
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Kobe Bryant = Basketball version of 50 Cent, Sammy "The Bull" Gravano..........a big fucking rat End Of Story............. 8)
lol.... :-\
Sorry dude
Guess u didn't watch Kobe (3-12-05) last night vs. Bobcats.
if that ain't Jordan esqe, what is, actually it's Kobe-esqe ;)
Hatesrats 2oo0V
a ton of players have had "Jordan esqe" moments. But NONE of them have come close to being "Jordan esqe" for a substantial period of time. And Kobe definetely isnt close. Way too up and down. He's in the prime of his career, and he still needs another superstar to help him. Not "Jordan esqe".
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Kobe Bryant = Basketball version of 50 Cent, Sammy "The Bull" Gravano..........a big fucking rat End Of Story............. 8)
lol.... :-\
Sorry dude
Guess u didn't watch Kobe (3-12-05) last night vs. Bobcats.
if that ain't Jordan esqe, what is, actually it's Kobe-esqe ;)
Hatesrats 2oo0V
a ton of players have had "Jordan esqe" moments. But NONE of them have come close to being "Jordan esqe" for a substantial period of time. And Kobe definetely isnt close. Way too up and down. He's in the prime of his career, and he still needs another superstar to help him. Not "Jordan esqe".
Agreed. Lots of players have Jordan esqe moments...but the next night they are way below average. Lookat what Donyell Marshall (Toronto Raptors) did last night...he tied an NBA record for 12 three pointers in a game. He's not even an all-star but that could be considered a Jordan esqe (MJ vs. Portland) moment.
No current players are like Mike because they are too up and down all the time. SOmebody will eventually come along and do the same things, or even better things, than Mike did, but who knows when that will be.
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Ups and downs? Kobe has stayed pretty consistant throughout the years...Once again, you morons prove your lack of knowledge.
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W/E Mr. Intelligent............. ::)
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Ups and downs? Kobe has stayed pretty consistant throughout the years...Once again, you morons prove your lack of knowledge.
Points
1999 - Avg. 22 a game
2000 - Avg. 28 a game
2001 - Avg. 25 a game
2002 - Avg. 30 a game
2003 - Avg. 24 a game
2004 - Avg. 28 a game
Hmm...Looks pretty up a down to me.
Take a span of 88-89 through 92-93 for Jordan and his point average a game is 32.5, 33.6, 31.5, 30.1, 32.6. Not too much variation in those numbers.
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Ups and downs? Kobe has stayed pretty consistant throughout the years...Once again, you morons prove your lack of knowledge.
Points
1999 - Avg. 22 a game
2000 - Avg. 28 a game
2001 - Avg. 25 a game
2002 - Avg. 30 a game
2003 - Avg. 24 a game
2004 - Avg. 28 a game
Hmm...Looks pretty up a down to me.
Take a span of 88-89 through 92-93 for Jordan and his point average a game is 32.5, 33.6, 31.5, 30.1, 32.6. Not too much variation in those numbers.
Everything looks consistant besides the 2003 season, which is the exception, because it was a team that contained four Hall of Famers...Again, you show WCC how dumb a moron can be.
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vince is the most spectacular baller ever
he just can't win a game
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vince is the most spectacular baller ever
he just can't win a game
Defense is part of being spectacular...Vince is a spectacular dunker, nothing more.
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Ups and downs? Kobe has stayed pretty consistant throughout the years...Once again, you morons prove your lack of knowledge.
Points
1999 - Avg. 22 a game
2000 - Avg. 28 a game
2001 - Avg. 25 a game
2002 - Avg. 30 a game
2003 - Avg. 24 a game
2004 - Avg. 28 a game
Hmm...Looks pretty up a down to me.
Take a span of 88-89 through 92-93 for Jordan and his point average a game is 32.5, 33.6, 31.5, 30.1, 32.6. Not too much variation in those numbers.
Everything looks consistant besides the 2003 season, which is the exception, because it was a team that contained four Hall of Famers...Again, you show WCC how dumb a moron can be.
Do you have no math skills? Jordan's points per game didn't vary more than 2.1 points between any year. Kobe goes up six, down three, up five, down six, up four. How can you say that those numbers are consistent? I swear, some people just don't know when to shut the hell up and accept the facts.
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Ups and downs? Kobe has stayed pretty consistant throughout the years...Once again, you morons prove your lack of knowledge.
Points
1999 - Avg. 22 a game
2000 - Avg. 28 a game
2001 - Avg. 25 a game
2002 - Avg. 30 a game
2003 - Avg. 24 a game
2004 - Avg. 28 a game
Hmm...Looks pretty up a down to me.
Take a span of 88-89 through 92-93 for Jordan and his point average a game is 32.5, 33.6, 31.5, 30.1, 32.6. Not too much variation in those numbers.
Everything looks consistant besides the 2003 season, which is the exception, because it was a team that contained four Hall of Famers...Again, you show WCC how dumb a moron can be.
Do you have no math skills? Jordan's points per game didn't vary more than 2.1 points between any year. Kobe goes up six, down three, up five, down six, up four. How can you say that those numbers are consistent? I swear, some people just don't know when to shut the hell up and accept the facts.
you obviously dont know NIK lol. He doesnt let little things like facts, or common sense influence his arguments. This is exactly what makes Laker fans look like retards. If i was a laker fan (a REAL one), i would HATE people like NIK arguing for my team, cus others look at him and assume thats how dumb all laker fans are. lol. I know we got some REAL laker fans on here. And they are the ones that are able to admit when theyre team is sucking, or when they do something stupid. A real fan will criticize their team when they do wrong, and hope that they do better. Not just pretend that their team is perfect when theyre not, and suck Kobe's dick no matter how obvious his faults are.
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Ups and downs? Kobe has stayed pretty consistant throughout the years...Once again, you morons prove your lack of knowledge.
Points
1999 - Avg. 22 a game
2000 - Avg. 28 a game
2001 - Avg. 25 a game
2002 - Avg. 30 a game
2003 - Avg. 24 a game
2004 - Avg. 28 a game
Hmm...Looks pretty up a down to me.
Take a span of 88-89 through 92-93 for Jordan and his point average a game is 32.5, 33.6, 31.5, 30.1, 32.6. Not too much variation in those numbers.
Everything looks consistant besides the 2003 season, which is the exception, because it was a team that contained four Hall of Famers...Again, you show WCC how dumb a moron can be.
Do you have no math skills? Jordan's points per game didn't vary more than 2.1 points between any year. Kobe goes up six, down three, up five, down six, up four. How can you say that those numbers are consistent? I swear, some people just don't know when to shut the hell up and accept the facts.
you obviously dont know NIK lol. He doesnt let little things like facts, or common sense influence his arguments. This is exactly what makes Laker fans look like retards. If i was a laker fan (a REAL one), i would HATE people like NIK arguing for my team, cus others look at him and assume thats how dumb all laker fans are. lol. I know we got some REAL laker fans on here. And they are the ones that are able to admit when theyre team is sucking, or when they do something stupid. A real fan will criticize their team when they do wrong, and hope that they do better. Not just pretend that their team is perfect when theyre not, and suck Kobe's dick no matter how obvious his faults are.
Tom, I was hoping you got a life or at least killed yourself...I'm not even arguing for my team...I'm just simply stating my beliefs, just like every other person on here...Those beliefs are just that the Lakers have potential to be a very good team...I mean, they're playing like shit and they're still sitting in the playoffs...Timberwolves are basically the same team as last year and can't reach the playoffs...People hate to admit Kobe is a great player, I don't understand why...Most NBA analysts love Kobe, but many of you everyday basketball fans seem to have a certain hatred built within yourselves for Kobe...I can't believe people are going as far as calling Kobe inconsistant...His point per game isn't what makes him a great player, because regardless of what he averaged he remained a top scorer...Shaq was injured on and off during the years he was on the Lakers, and that can explain Kobe's average going up and down...There are so many other things I can say, but it's not even worth it, because you all know Kobe is a great player in reality...PeACe
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you can't compare anyone to jordan, the man is the GOAT hands down, not only did he change the game on the court but also off the court. who is gonna have a bigger impact in the game of basketball off/on the court????
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Ups and downs? Kobe has stayed pretty consistant throughout the years...Once again, you morons prove your lack of knowledge.
Points
1999 - Avg. 22 a game
2000 - Avg. 28 a game
2001 - Avg. 25 a game
2002 - Avg. 30 a game
2003 - Avg. 24 a game
2004 - Avg. 28 a game
Hmm...Looks pretty up a down to me.
Take a span of 88-89 through 92-93 for Jordan and his point average a game is 32.5, 33.6, 31.5, 30.1, 32.6. Not too much variation in those numbers.
Everything looks consistant besides the 2003 season, which is the exception, because it was a team that contained four Hall of Famers...Again, you show WCC how dumb a moron can be.
Do you have no math skills? Jordan's points per game didn't vary more than 2.1 points between any year. Kobe goes up six, down three, up five, down six, up four. How can you say that those numbers are consistent? I swear, some people just don't know when to shut the hell up and accept the facts.
you obviously dont know NIK lol. He doesnt let little things like facts, or common sense influence his arguments. This is exactly what makes Laker fans look like retards. If i was a laker fan (a REAL one), i would HATE people like NIK arguing for my team, cus others look at him and assume thats how dumb all laker fans are. lol. I know we got some REAL laker fans on here. And they are the ones that are able to admit when theyre team is sucking, or when they do something stupid. A real fan will criticize their team when they do wrong, and hope that they do better. Not just pretend that their team is perfect when theyre not, and suck Kobe's dick no matter how obvious his faults are.
Tom, I was hoping you got a life or at least killed yourself...I'm not even arguing for my team...I'm just simply stating my beliefs, just like every other person on here...Those beliefs are just that the Lakers have potential to be a very good team...I mean, they're playing like shit and they're still sitting in the playoffs...Timberwolves are basically the same team as last year and can't reach the playoffs...People hate to admit Kobe is a great player, I don't understand why...Most NBA analysts love Kobe, but many of you everyday basketball fans seem to have a certain hatred built within yourselves for Kobe...I can't believe people are going as far as calling Kobe inconsistant...His point per game isn't what makes him a great player, because regardless of what he averaged he remained a top scorer...Shaq was injured on and off during the years he was on the Lakers, and that can explain Kobe's average going up and down...There are so many other things I can say, but it's not even worth it, because you all know Kobe is a great player in reality...PeACe
Im not gonna lie, i cant stand Kobe really. But i didnt say he wasnt good. He actually is one of the best in the league. But i DO think a lotta Laker fans overrate him as far as this whole comparison to Jordan thing. Youve never seen me say he WASNT good. Obviously he is. But i dont think, in any way is he on Jordans level...no one is yet. I dont see anyone being there in a LONG time.
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why do you keep letting him call you tom? lol
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why do you keep letting him call you tom? lol
LOL@me being high as fuck and accusing the retard of being Tom...
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Jamal Crawford
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VC probably coulda gone down as the greatest ever if he had the same kinda work ethic of the Kobe/Jordan type.
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VC probably coulda gone down as the greatest ever if he had the same kinda work ethic of the Kobe/Jordan type.
I don't think so. He had the greatest hoops of all the players I saw, but he didn't had the basketball fundamentals Jordan and Bryant had. Plus he was nowhere near them as far as defense goes (specially MJ). Still, he was and is the greatest dunker of all-time. Hands down.
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exactly...vc didnt have the footwork, defense, and overall fundamentals. 1 hell of an athlete, tho.
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VC probably coulda gone down as the greatest ever if he had the same kinda work ethic of the Kobe/Jordan type.
I don't think so. He had the greatest hoops of all the players I saw, but he didn't had the basketball fundamentals Jordan and Bryant had. Plus he was nowhere near them as far as defense goes (specially MJ). Still, he was and is the greatest dunker of all-time. Hands down.
Yeah but I feel like a lot of that has to do with effort and studying the game as opposed to the god given talent he had.
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VC probably coulda gone down as the greatest ever if he had the same kinda work ethic of the Kobe/Jordan type.
I don't think so. He had the greatest hoops of all the players I saw, but he didn't had the basketball fundamentals Jordan and Bryant had. Plus he was nowhere near them as far as defense goes (specially MJ). Still, he was and is the greatest dunker of all-time. Hands down.
Yeah but I feel like a lot of that has to do with effort and studying the game as opposed to the god given talent he had.
u could say the same shit for james white, tho
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VC probably coulda gone down as the greatest ever if he had the same kinda work ethic of the Kobe/Jordan type.
I don't think so. He had the greatest hoops of all the players I saw, but he didn't had the basketball fundamentals Jordan and Bryant had. Plus he was nowhere near them as far as defense goes (specially MJ). Still, he was and is the greatest dunker of all-time. Hands down.
Yeah but I feel like a lot of that has to do with effort and studying the game as opposed to the god given talent he had.
Partly, yes. Actually, Vince had a better jumpshot coming to the NBA than Michael. But he made a basic mistake, most of today's athlete's are making - he didn't worked on his basketball skills enough. He just based on his athleticism, and was jumping over guys left and right. Jordan on the other hand was always trying to turn his weaknesses into strenghts and Kobe followed into his footsteps by doing the same and working hard.
When Vince's athleticism was gone, it showed his true colors of him being a good, solid player but no more a "great" one like before. Still, being the greatest dunker ever is a hell of achievement if you ask me. He didn't have the hang-time, the finess and the body control of a Jordan, but his hoops were insane and his dunks were just second to none. I still remember some of the jams from his rookie season - shit was off the hook 8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPDtLD1DgbA
Those dunks on Mutombo and Mullin are just ridiculous :o
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Carter had every single given tool to have been great, but he was not the most physically gifted basketball player I've ever seen. But Carter did have a better jump shot than Kobe or Michael coming into the league, and I think had he worked on his skill as a young player like he does now, he could have been a top 10 player all time. He was a most physically gifted athlete than Kobe or Michael, but he just didn't add the fundamentals until his skill level dropped. Young Vince Carter with old Vince Carter skill set could have been a great player.
I think at the end of the day, Kobe has won this argument of closest player to Jordan. Since the 60's, only 2 players have averaged 35ppg in a season, Kobe and Michael. I think Kobe's downfall is he didn't go to college, so his career stats are very inconsistent early in his career, and then later he had more mileage to his stats are not as good as Jordan at the same age. I think the coming out of high school experiment hurt some players more than others, and for Kobe he had a top 5 career but he could have been better had he went to college for 1-2 years. With that said, had he not came straight out of high school, then the Hornets wouldn't have given up his draft rights for Vlade Divac. So at the end of the day, it worked out for the Lakers.
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Carter had every single given tool to have been great, but he was not the most physically gifted basketball player I've ever seen. But Carter did have a better jump shot than Kobe or Michael coming into the league, and I think had he worked on his skill as a young player like he does now, he could have been a top 10 player all time. He was a most physically gifted athlete than Kobe or Michael, but he just didn't add the fundamentals until his skill level dropped. Young Vince Carter with old Vince Carter skill set could have been a great player.
I think at the end of the day, Kobe has won this argument of closest player to Jordan. Since the 60's, only 2 players have averaged 35ppg in a season, Kobe and Michael. I think Kobe's downfall is he didn't go to college, so his career stats are very inconsistent early in his career, and then later he had more mileage to his stats are not as good as Jordan at the same age. I think the coming out of high school experiment hurt some players more than others, and for Kobe he had a top 5 career but he could have been better had he went to college for 1-2 years. With that said, had he not came straight out of high school, then the Hornets wouldn't have given up his draft rights for Vlade Divac. So at the end of the day, it worked out for the Lakers.
better jump-shot than michael, yes, dunno about kobe, tho...dont forget, kobe had a refined jump-shot comin in, not like mike, who had to develop his. kobe shot 38% from three and 82% from the line in his rookie season..vince? just 28% and 76%... no offense, mdoggy, but sometimes i think u say shit just to say shit. it will help u a lot in life (not just dubcc) if u say shit from knowledge as opposed to just passing off randomized speculation as fact.....anyways, i truly believe kobe still has one more chapter left to be written. the way it unfolds will determine where he ranks on the all-time list....he's already a clear-cut first-tier player. but if everything goes as planned, he will add to his legacy, secure a couple more titles, break the all-time scoring record, and retire as GOAT 8)
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Carter had every single given tool to have been great, but he was not the most physically gifted basketball player I've ever seen. But Carter did have a better jump shot than Kobe or Michael coming into the league, and I think had he worked on his skill as a young player like he does now, he could have been a top 10 player all time. He was a most physically gifted athlete than Kobe or Michael, but he just didn't add the fundamentals until his skill level dropped. Young Vince Carter with old Vince Carter skill set could have been a great player.
I think at the end of the day, Kobe has won this argument of closest player to Jordan. Since the 60's, only 2 players have averaged 35ppg in a season, Kobe and Michael. I think Kobe's downfall is he didn't go to college, so his career stats are very inconsistent early in his career, and then later he had more mileage to his stats are not as good as Jordan at the same age. I think the coming out of high school experiment hurt some players more than others, and for Kobe he had a top 5 career but he could have been better had he went to college for 1-2 years. With that said, had he not came straight out of high school, then the Hornets wouldn't have given up his draft rights for Vlade Divac. So at the end of the day, it worked out for the Lakers.
better jump-shot than michael, yes, dunno about kobe, tho...dont forget, kobe had a refined jump-shot comin in, not like mike, who had to develop his. kobe shot 38% from three and 82% from the line in his rookie season..vince? just 28% and 76%... no offense, mdoggy, but sometimes i think u say shit just to say shit. it will help u a lot in life (not just dubcc) if u say shit from knowledge as opposed to just passing off randomized speculation as fact.....anyways, i truly believe kobe still has one more chapter left to be written. the way it unfolds will determine where he ranks on the all-time list....he's already a clear-cut first-tier player. but if everything goes as planned, he will add to his legacy, secure a couple more titles, break the all-time scoring record, and retire as GOAT 8)
You must remember one thing. Jordan came into the league shooting over 50%, Kobe 41.7% and Carter 45%. So statistically, both Jordan and Carter both shot a higher percentage than Kobe. In fact, I'd say Kobe was the worst jump shooter of the 3 coming into the league well Jordan was over 50% because he played closer to the rim that year. The next year Jordan came back to earth shooting 45.7% because people pushed him out of the lane more and VC shot 46.5% his second year as he was able to get to the rim more and his shoot started falling. Kobe second year, 42.8%. Coming out of HS hurt Kobe's early stats greatly, and that has to be acknowledged when you say coming into the league. Now Jordan was 21 coming into the league, VC was 22, so Kobe at 22 was shooting 46.6%, which is better than both at the age of 22. Still, coming into the league, Kobe was the worst of the 3 when it comes to shooting, jump shot and other areas of skill measuring.
Remember, Kobe at 22 was already a 4 year vet.
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VC probably coulda gone down as the greatest ever if he had the same kinda work ethic of the Kobe/Jordan type.
I don't think so. He had the greatest hoops of all the players I saw, but he didn't had the basketball fundamentals Jordan and Bryant had. Plus he was nowhere near them as far as defense goes (specially MJ). Still, he was and is the greatest dunker of all-time. Hands down.
Yeah but I feel like a lot of that has to do with effort and studying the game as opposed to the god given talent he had.
Partly, yes. Actually, Vince had a better jumpshot coming to the NBA than Michael. But he made a basic mistake, most of today's athlete's are making - he didn't worked on his basketball skills enough. He just based on his athleticism, and was jumping over guys left and right. Jordan on the other hand was always trying to turn his weaknesses into strenghts and Kobe followed into his footsteps by doing the same and working hard.
That's really what I was getting at. Like NIK said you could probably make the case for a lot of freakish athletes, VC was just so blessed and it seems like he threw a lot of it away (was still one of my favorites to watch though).
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Carter had every single given tool to have been great, but he was not the most physically gifted basketball player I've ever seen. But Carter did have a better jump shot than Kobe or Michael coming into the league, and I think had he worked on his skill as a young player like he does now, he could have been a top 10 player all time. He was a most physically gifted athlete than Kobe or Michael, but he just didn't add the fundamentals until his skill level dropped. Young Vince Carter with old Vince Carter skill set could have been a great player.
I think at the end of the day, Kobe has won this argument of closest player to Jordan. Since the 60's, only 2 players have averaged 35ppg in a season, Kobe and Michael. I think Kobe's downfall is he didn't go to college, so his career stats are very inconsistent early in his career, and then later he had more mileage to his stats are not as good as Jordan at the same age. I think the coming out of high school experiment hurt some players more than others, and for Kobe he had a top 5 career but he could have been better had he went to college for 1-2 years. With that said, had he not came straight out of high school, then the Hornets wouldn't have given up his draft rights for Vlade Divac. So at the end of the day, it worked out for the Lakers.
better jump-shot than michael, yes, dunno about kobe, tho...dont forget, kobe had a refined jump-shot comin in, not like mike, who had to develop his. kobe shot 38% from three and 82% from the line in his rookie season..vince? just 28% and 76%... no offense, mdoggy, but sometimes i think u say shit just to say shit. it will help u a lot in life (not just dubcc) if u say shit from knowledge as opposed to just passing off randomized speculation as fact.....anyways, i truly believe kobe still has one more chapter left to be written. the way it unfolds will determine where he ranks on the all-time list....he's already a clear-cut first-tier player. but if everything goes as planned, he will add to his legacy, secure a couple more titles, break the all-time scoring record, and retire as GOAT 8)
You must remember one thing. Jordan came into the league shooting over 50%, Kobe 41.7% and Carter 45%. So statistically, both Jordan and Carter both shot a higher percentage than Kobe. In fact, I'd say Kobe was the wor st jump shooter of the 3 coming into the league well Jordan was over 50% because he played closer to the rim that year. The next year Jordan came back to earth shooting 45.7% because people pushed him out of the lane more and VC shot 46.5% his second year as he was able to get to the rim more and his shoot started falling. Kobe second year, 42.8%. Coming out of HS hurt Kobe's early stats greatly, and that has to be acknowledged when you say coming into the league. Now Jordan was 21 coming into the league, VC was 22, so Kobe at 22 was shooting 46.6%, which is better than both at the age of 22. Still, coming into the league, Kobe was the worst of the 3 when it comes to shooting, jump shot and other areas of skill measuring.
Remember, Kobe at 22 was already a 4 year vet.
thats exactly the point...jump-shooters naturally shoot lower percentages. kobe shot way more jumpshots than vince or mj as a rookie, because he was a more refined jumpshooter comin in. this really aint debatable, u just looked up the stats and came up wit that shit to sound like u know what u talkin bout, but it is what it is. now, to say "far worse", now u just stretchin it to save face, and it's backfirin. that shit aint true at all, my dude. just go look at old rookie kobe videos, even back in summer league debut, he always had a pure stroke. kobe's stroke as a rookie was wayyy more pure than jordan's, and a couple of notches above VC's, as well.
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You do know you are talking to someone who saw Kobe more in the 90's than all of the 2000's? Afterall, I never missed a game from 1994-2000 when I went to college. I know Kobe's early game, and Kobe's early game was simular to Jordan's in that he was a slashing player who shot. Kobe was not a pure jump shooter coming into the league. His rookie and second year, his jump shot was inconsistent at best. But this was masked because Eddie Jones started the 2 spot, and Kobe would come in and then slash to the lane and then shoot a couple of jumpers. Kobe would come in, slash through the lane and make a nice lay up, hit 1 of 3 from the 3 point range (usually that 3 was like from 40 feet out it seemed) and throw a lop to Shaq for a dunk. If you want to say Kobe started out with a better jump shot than Jordan, that's debatable but not crazy. Still, coming out of high school, I think, was a bad idea in that Kobe was far from a finished produced then. He had the skill and the ability, but he was highly inconsistent and very streaky.
Now as I said, Carter needed a year to fully adjust to the NBA (lock out year), and while it took Kobe about 3-4 years to become the Kobe we all know and love, Carter was shooting over 40% from 3 point range in his second and 3rd year. Because Carter went all 4 years to college, he came out more "NBA Ready" were as Kobe was still "a work in progress." This is why Carter took off faster than Kobe and people believed the hype about VC>Kobe so quickly. Sports people are very, "what I see is what will happen forever." So they saw a 22 year old fully developed VC that was playing better than a 20 year old "work in progress" Kobe. Dude, there is no shame in admitting Carter came in with a better jumper. Kobe was FUCKEN 18 YEARS OLD. Kobe was inconsistent, Kobe shot air balls a lot, not just those 4 in Utah. Kobe was a cocky kid who was not ready from prime time yet. He was made to look better because Eddie Jones took the important minutes and Kobe would come in and do his thing. Maybe Kobe had a better looking jump shot, maybe it had "more potential" or maybe his jump shot has better form. But at 18, 19 and even 20 Kobe was really inconsistent with it and he even shot a horrible 26% from 3 point range his 3rd year.
But come on NIKCC, you know like I know, 18 year old Kobe was not as polished as 22 year old VC or 21 year old Jordan. You know Kobe was very inconsistent at 18, 19, and 20 and that use to piss people in LA off when he'd try to take over games and fail. It wasn't until 2000 that he finally caught on and in 2001 he fully because the Kobe that we'd remember. Ironically enough, 1999-2000 Kobe would have been a senior at Duke, and 2000-2001 Kobe would have a rookie in the NBA and at 28ppg and 46.4% from the field he easily would have been rookie of the year over Mike Miller. I think he would have came out after his Jr. year really, and that Kobe was still very dangerous at 22.5ppg and 46.8% from the field, with also 6rpg and 4 apg. Steve Francis wouldn't have had a chance. But that's NOT the Kobe we are talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/v/gfBwH6W8GKs?hl=en_US&version=3&rel=0
You make it sound like Kobe was drafted great. As this video will show, in order to become great Kobe had to fail. And in the 1997 playoffs, he failed HARD! And trust me, that was not unique to just that game.
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i'm not talkin about overall...i know VC and MJ were more polished players as rookies. i'm just talkin about the stroke...kobe always had a pure stroke, comin in, it was a text-book shot, unlike MJ or VC...like i said, not debatable. yea, VC and MJ as rookies were more NBA ready, better physiques, more polished from college experience...but as far as straight jumper, come on, brobro...rookie kobe already had the same shot he has today...check kobe at 17, first game as a Laker:
http://www.youtube.com/v/-0M0Hmy_78E
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jumpshot was already refined comin in
http://www.youtube.com/v/8aBX3lRBHKA
look at that textbook stroke...most of em dont even hit the rim.
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i'm not talkin about overall...i know VC and MJ were more polished players as rookies. i'm just talkin about the stroke...kobe always had a pure stroke, comin in, it was a text-book shot, unlike MJ or VC...like i said, not debatable. yea, VC and MJ as rookies were more NBA ready, better physiques, more polished from college experience...but as far as straight jumper, come on, brobro...rookie kobe already had the same shot he has today...check kobe at 17, first game as a Laker:
http://www.youtube.com/v/-0M0Hmy_78E
See, you are judging by form and all of that. I am judging off consistency. 18 year old Kobe was very inconsistent and very streaky. Kobe had a hard time shooting over 40% and he had games were he looked like the next coming of Jordan and other games when he looked like a kid who'll never learn. Carter was consistent his first year, therefore he had a better jump shot. Bottom line, the rock goes in the hole, you have a better jump shot.
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LOOK AT THE MECHANICS
THERE WAS NOTHIN CONSISTENT ABOUT CARTER'S STROKE COMIN IN...HE SHOT 28% FROM THREE AND 76% FROM THE FREE THROW...KOBE SHOT 38% FROM THREE AND 82% FROM THE FREE THROW
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LOOK AT THE MECHANICS
THERE WAS NOTHIN CONSISTENT ABOUT CARTER'S STROKE COMIN IN...HE SHOT 26% FROM THREE AND 76% FROM THE FREE THROW...KOBE SHOT 38% FROM THREE AND 82% FROM THE FREE THROW
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Ha ha ha, Carter came in during the lock out shorten season. Most of his inconsistencies from 3 came because of learning the NBA system. But he hit 40% in his first two whole NBA seasons. You ain't got nothing on this argument man. Carter hit more shots, was more consistent and when given a full training camp hit over 40% from 3. Something Kobe NEVER did in his career.
"You're paranoid cause you're my son like Elroy"
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LOOK AT THE MECHANICS
THERE WAS NOTHIN CONSISTENT ABOUT CARTER'S STROKE COMIN IN...HE SHOT 26% FROM THREE AND 76% FROM THE FREE THROW...KOBE SHOT 38% FROM THREE AND 82% FROM THE FREE THROW
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Ha ha ha, Carter came in during the lock out shorten season. Most of his inconsistencies from 3 came because of learning the NBA system. But he hit 40% in his first two whole NBA seasons. You ain't got nothing on this argument man. Carter hit more shots, was more consistent and when given a full training camp hit over 40% from 3. Something Kobe NEVER did in his career.
"You're paranoid cause you're my son like Elroy"
yea, in his second season LOL...in his rookie season, which is what were debating about, he didn't come in with a text-book jumpshot and shot a bad percentage. i have no idea why ur tryin so hard wit this one. just look at the free throw percentages, it's the best way to see how refined a stroke is...VC shot under 80% for his first 4 years in the league. his mechanics were not textbook. quit arguin this shit, cuz it's just stupid as fuc
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LOOK AT THE MECHANICS
THERE WAS NOTHIN CONSISTENT ABOUT CARTER'S STROKE COMIN IN...HE SHOT 26% FROM THREE AND 76% FROM THE FREE THROW...KOBE SHOT 38% FROM THREE AND 82% FROM THE FREE THROW
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Ha ha ha, Carter came in during the lock out shorten season. Most of his inconsistencies from 3 came because of learning the NBA system. But he hit 40% in his first two whole NBA seasons. You ain't got nothing on this argument man. Carter hit more shots, was more consistent and when given a full training camp hit over 40% from 3. Something Kobe NEVER did in his career.
"You're paranoid cause you're my son like Elroy"
yea, in his second season LOL...in his rookie season, which is what were debating about, he didn't come in with a text-book jumpshot and shot a bad percentage. i have no idea why ur tryin so hard wit this one. just look at the free throw percentages, it's the best way to see how refined a stroke is...VC shot under 80% for his first 4 years in the league. his mechanics were not textbook. quit arguin this shit, cuz it's just stupid as fuc
But he hit for a higher percentage from the field, and he has always had a mid-range shot. His mechanics may not have been text-book, but he was more consistent that Kobe. Why is this so hard to get through your head. Kobe was streaky, inconsistent and had bad weeks much less bad games as a rookie.
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LOOK AT THE MECHANICS
THERE WAS NOTHIN CONSISTENT ABOUT CARTER'S STROKE COMIN IN...HE SHOT 26% FROM THREE AND 76% FROM THE FREE THROW...KOBE SHOT 38% FROM THREE AND 82% FROM THE FREE THROW
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Ha ha ha, Carter came in during the lock out shorten season. Most of his inconsistencies from 3 came because of learning the NBA system. But he hit 40% in his first two whole NBA seasons. You ain't got nothing on this argument man. Carter hit more shots, was more consistent and when given a full training camp hit over 40% from 3. Something Kobe NEVER did in his career.
"You're paranoid cause you're my son like Elroy"
yea, in his second season LOL...in his rookie season, which is what were debating about, he didn't come in with a text-book jumpshot and shot a bad percentage. i have no idea why ur tryin so hard wit this one. just look at the free throw percentages, it's the best way to see how refined a stroke is...VC shot under 80% for his first 4 years in the league. his mechanics were not textbook. quit arguin this shit, cuz it's just stupid as fuc
But he hit for a higher percentage from the field, and he has always had a mid-range shot. His mechanics may not have been text-book, but he was more consistent that Kobe. Why is this so hard to get through your head. Kobe was streaky, inconsistent and had bad weeks much less bad games as a rookie.
WHAT PERCENTAGE U SHOOT FROM THE FIELD DOES IN NO WAY DEPICT HOW GOOD UR STROKE IS...LIKE I SAID, PEEP THE FREE THROW PERCENTAGES, A MUCH BETTER MEASURING STICK, AND DEAD THIS DISCUSSION. KOBE HAD A BETTER SHOT COMIN IN- NOT A BETTER PLAYER, BUT BETTER MECHANICS, FORM, RELEASE ON HIS STROKE. WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO GET THROUGH YOUR HEAD? U TRYIN REAL HARD 2 WIN A LOST DEBATE, BAD LOOK. THIS HAS NOTHIN TO DO WIT HOW GOOD HE IS AS A PLAYER, THERE ARE CATS WHO BALL AT THE LOCAL GYM WHO HAVE BETTER STROKES THAN 90% OF THE CATS IN THE LEAGUE.......POINT IS, VC DIDNT HAVE A REFIND SHOT OR GREAT MECHANICS AS A ROOKIE...KOBE DID.
KOBES PROBLEM AS A ROOKIE WAS THAT HE WASNT NBA READY, FROM BODY TO MATURITY....NOTHIN TO DO WIT THE ACTUAL STROKE, WHICH WAS THE SAME AS IT IS TODAY. QUIT ARGUIN THE OBVIOUS, MY BOY.
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LOOK AT THE MECHANICS
THERE WAS NOTHIN CONSISTENT ABOUT CARTER'S STROKE COMIN IN...HE SHOT 26% FROM THREE AND 76% FROM THE FREE THROW...KOBE SHOT 38% FROM THREE AND 82% FROM THE FREE THROW
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Ha ha ha, Carter came in during the lock out shorten season. Most of his inconsistencies from 3 came because of learning the NBA system. But he hit 40% in his first two whole NBA seasons. You ain't got nothing on this argument man. Carter hit more shots, was more consistent and when given a full training camp hit over 40% from 3. Something Kobe NEVER did in his career.
"You're paranoid cause you're my son like Elroy"
yea, in his second season LOL...in his rookie season, which is what were debating about, he didn't come in with a text-book jumpshot and shot a bad percentage. i have no idea why ur tryin so hard wit this one. just look at the free throw percentages, it's the best way to see how refined a stroke is...VC shot under 80% for his first 4 years in the league. his mechanics were not textbook. quit arguin this shit, cuz it's just stupid as fuc
But he hit for a higher percentage from the field, and he has always had a mid-range shot. His mechanics may not have been text-book, but he was more consistent that Kobe. Why is this so hard to get through your head. Kobe was streaky, inconsistent and had bad weeks much less bad games as a rookie.
WHAT PERCENTAGE U SHOOT FROM THE FIELD DOES IN NO WAY DEPICT HOW GOOD UR STROKE IS...LIKE I SAID, PEEP THE FREE THROW PERCENTAGES, A MUCH BETTER MEASURING STICK, AND DEAD THIS DISCUSSION. KOBE HAD A BETTER SHOT COMIN IN- NOT A BETTER PLAYER, BUT BETTER MECHANICS, FORM, RELEASE ON HIS STROKE. WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO GET THROUGH YOUR HEAD? U TRYIN REAL HARD 2 WIN A LOST DEBATE, BAD LOOK. THIS HAS NOTHIN TO DO WIT HOW GOOD HE IS AS A PLAYER, THERE ARE CATS WHO BALL AT THE LOCAL GYM WHO HAVE BETTER STROKES THAN 90% OF THE CATS IN THE LEAGUE.......POINT IS, VC DIDNT HAVE A REFIND SHOT OR GREAT MECHANICS AS A ROOKIE...KOBE DID.
KOBES PROBLEM WAS NOT BEING NBA READY, FROM BODY TO MATURITY....NOTHIN TO DO WIT THE ACTUAL STROKE, WHICH WAS THE SAME AS IT IS TODAY. QUIT ARGUIN THE OBVIOUS, MY BOY.
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Dogg, inconsistency is what you judge a shot off of. Kobe had a nice stroke, he obviously matured into a better shooter than VC. But coming into the league, VC was better from the field. Case close. I'm done with this. It's cool to be a Kobe fan, but you take this shit to personal.
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LOOK AT THE MECHANICS
THERE WAS NOTHIN CONSISTENT ABOUT CARTER'S STROKE COMIN IN...HE SHOT 26% FROM THREE AND 76% FROM THE FREE THROW...KOBE SHOT 38% FROM THREE AND 82% FROM THE FREE THROW
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Ha ha ha, Carter came in during the lock out shorten season. Most of his inconsistencies from 3 came because of learning the NBA system. But he hit 40% in his first two whole NBA seasons. You ain't got nothing on this argument man. Carter hit more shots, was more consistent and when given a full training camp hit over 40% from 3. Something Kobe NEVER did in his career.
"You're paranoid cause you're my son like Elroy"
yea, in his second season LOL...in his rookie season, which is what were debating about, he didn't come in with a text-book jumpshot and shot a bad percentage. i have no idea why ur tryin so hard wit this one. just look at the free throw percentages, it's the best way to see how refined a stroke is...VC shot under 80% for his first 4 years in the league. his mechanics were not textbook. quit arguin this shit, cuz it's just stupid as fuc
But he hit for a higher percentage from the field, and he has always had a mid-range shot. His mechanics may not have been text-book, but he was more consistent that Kobe. Why is this so hard to get through your head. Kobe was streaky, inconsistent and had bad weeks much less bad games as a rookie.
WHAT PERCENTAGE U SHOOT FROM THE FIELD DOES IN NO WAY DEPICT HOW GOOD UR STROKE IS...LIKE I SAID, PEEP THE FREE THROW PERCENTAGES, A MUCH BETTER MEASURING STICK, AND DEAD THIS DISCUSSION. KOBE HAD A BETTER SHOT COMIN IN- NOT A BETTER PLAYER, BUT BETTER MECHANICS, FORM, RELEASE ON HIS STROKE. WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO GET THROUGH YOUR HEAD? U TRYIN REAL HARD 2 WIN A LOST DEBATE, BAD LOOK. THIS HAS NOTHIN TO DO WIT HOW GOOD HE IS AS A PLAYER, THERE ARE CATS WHO BALL AT THE LOCAL GYM WHO HAVE BETTER STROKES THAN 90% OF THE CATS IN THE LEAGUE.......POINT IS, VC DIDNT HAVE A REFIND SHOT OR GREAT MECHANICS AS A ROOKIE...KOBE DID.
KOBES PROBLEM AS A ROOKIE WAS THAT HE WASNT NBA READY, FROM BODY TO MATURITY....NOTHIN TO DO WIT THE ACTUAL STROKE, WHICH WAS THE SAME AS IT IS TODAY. QUIT ARGUIN THE OBVIOUS, MY BOY.
And a free throw is not a jump shot.
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A FREE THROW IS THE BEST WAY TO DEPICT FORM.. ANY COACH WILL TELL U THIS. KOBE HAD A BETTER SHOT COMIN IN, PERIOD.
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LOOK AT THE MECHANICS
THERE WAS NOTHIN CONSISTENT ABOUT CARTER'S STROKE COMIN IN...HE SHOT 26% FROM THREE AND 76% FROM THE FREE THROW...KOBE SHOT 38% FROM THREE AND 82% FROM THE FREE THROW
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Ha ha ha, Carter came in during the lock out shorten season. Most of his inconsistencies from 3 came because of learning the NBA system. But he hit 40% in his first two whole NBA seasons. You ain't got nothing on this argument man. Carter hit more shots, was more consistent and when given a full training camp hit over 40% from 3. Something Kobe NEVER did in his career.
"You're paranoid cause you're my son like Elroy"
yea, in his second season LOL...in his rookie season, which is what were debating about, he didn't come in with a text-book jumpshot and shot a bad percentage. i have no idea why ur tryin so hard wit this one. just look at the free throw percentages, it's the best way to see how refined a stroke is...VC shot under 80% for his first 4 years in the league. his mechanics were not textbook. quit arguin this shit, cuz it's just stupid as fuc
But he hit for a higher percentage from the field, and he has always had a mid-range shot. His mechanics may not have been text-book, but he was more consistent that Kobe. Why is this so hard to get through your head. Kobe was streaky, inconsistent and had bad weeks much less bad games as a rookie.
WHAT PERCENTAGE U SHOOT FROM THE FIELD DOES IN NO WAY DEPICT HOW GOOD UR STROKE IS...LIKE I SAID, PEEP THE FREE THROW PERCENTAGES, A MUCH BETTER MEASURING STICK, AND DEAD THIS DISCUSSION. KOBE HAD A BETTER SHOT COMIN IN- NOT A BETTER PLAYER, BUT BETTER MECHANICS, FORM, RELEASE ON HIS STROKE. WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO GET THROUGH YOUR HEAD? U TRYIN REAL HARD 2 WIN A LOST DEBATE, BAD LOOK. THIS HAS NOTHIN TO DO WIT HOW GOOD HE IS AS A PLAYER, THERE ARE CATS WHO BALL AT THE LOCAL GYM WHO HAVE BETTER STROKES THAN 90% OF THE CATS IN THE LEAGUE.......POINT IS, VC DIDNT HAVE A REFIND SHOT OR GREAT MECHANICS AS A ROOKIE...KOBE DID.
KOBES PROBLEM WAS NOT BEING NBA READY, FROM BODY TO MATURITY....NOTHIN TO DO WIT THE ACTUAL STROKE, WHICH WAS THE SAME AS IT IS TODAY. QUIT ARGUIN THE OBVIOUS, MY BOY.
All caps. oh no.
Dogg, inconsistency is what you judge a shot off of. Kobe had a nice stroke, he obviously matured into a better shooter than VC. But coming into the league, VC was better from the field. Case close. I'm done with this. It's cool to be a Kobe fan, but you take this shit to personal.
I BEEN USIN CAPS LOCK ON AND OFF FOR THE PAST COUPLE WEEKS, DONT GET 2 EXCITED, LOL...THIS HAS NOTHIN TO DO WIT BEIN A KOBE FAN, I JUST DONT LIKE SEEIN U ALWAYS SPEW OFF RANDOM BULLSHIT AS FACT, WHEN IT'S WIDELY ACCEPTED THAT KOBE HAD A WAYYY BETTER STROKE THAN MJ AS A ROOKIE, AND A CLEAR-CUT BETTER SHOT THAN VC AS WELL...NOW, HAVIN A GOOD SHOT DONT MEAN U GUNA SHOOT GOOD FROM THE FIELD. BUT AS FAR AS TEXTBOOK, FORM, MECHANICS, FOLLOW-THROUGH, ALL THAT SHIET, IT'S KOBE HANDS DOWN....SAYIN OTHERWISE IS EQUIVALENT TO SAYIN PAU GASOL IS A BETTER REBOUNDER THAN DENNIS RODMAN...FEEL ME ON THAT
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how come you don't post Kobe's low-lights? anyone can post high lights to make a point
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how come you don't post Kobe's low-lights? anyone can post high lights to make a point
No one saves low lights, but during his rookie year Kobe had a few. Most remember the Utah airballs. But he would go a week where he's shot was not falling, and then go a week where he would shot over 50%. Kobe was inconsistent, and consistency is one of the best measures to judge fundamentals. If you have good fundamentals, then you'd be consistent. If you don't have good fundamentals, then you will be streaky. And 18, 19, 20 year old Kobe was very streaky.
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LOOK AT THE MECHANICS
THERE WAS NOTHIN CONSISTENT ABOUT CARTER'S STROKE COMIN IN...HE SHOT 28% FROM THREE AND 76% FROM THE FREE THROW...KOBE SHOT 38% FROM THREE AND 82% FROM THE FREE THROW
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Nik, don't forget that the 3-point line was shorter durning Kobe's rookie year so comparing those 3-point stats ain't fair to VC.
It's funny that you mentioned here, that Kobe wasen't prepared for the NBA body and maturity-wise (something I've been telling you some time ago), yet some time ago in other thread you were claiming Kobe could average 40 points/per game durning his first couple years, had he not played with Shaq :D
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40 A GAME?? LMAO he never even did that as a seasoned vet
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consistency is one of the best measures to judge fundamentals. If you have good fundamentals, then you'd be consistent. If you don't have good fundamentals, then you will be streaky. And 18, 19, 20 year old Kobe was very streaky.
this is the dumbest shit ever posted on dubcc...u can have great fundamentals, but not be consistent. lets say u get old, and aren't in physical shape to run and move like u used to...ur fundamentals would still be the same, but consistency would diminish. same shit goes for if ur young and dont have an nba-ready body. man, mdogg, i think u just say shit to hear urself talk.
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LOOK AT THE MECHANICS
THERE WAS NOTHIN CONSISTENT ABOUT CARTER'S STROKE COMIN IN...HE SHOT 28% FROM THREE AND 76% FROM THE FREE THROW...KOBE SHOT 38% FROM THREE AND 82% FROM THE FREE THROW
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Nik, don't forget that the 3-point line was shorter durning Kobe's rookie year so comparing those 3-point stats ain't fair to VC.
It's funny that you mentioned here, that Kobe wasen't prepared for the NBA body and maturity-wise (something I've been telling you some time ago), yet some time ago in other thread you were claiming Kobe could average 40 points/per game durning his first couple years, had he not played with Shaq :D
i said kobe coulda averaged 40 points on a team like the cavs, which was centered around running ISOs for him (considering he scored 30 ppg playing alongside shaq). not when he was a rookie, though LOL. his numbers woulda been much higher bein drafted to a lower-seeded team as a rookie, but the 40 ppg would obviously take some years under the belt to achieve.
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During the 1994–95, 1995–96, and 1996–97 seasons, the NBA attempted to address decreased scoring by shortening the distance of the line from 23 feet, 9 inches (22 feet at the corners) to a uniform 22 feet (6.7 m) around the basket. In 1995–96, Dennis Scott set a then-record for most three-pointers made in a season (267) and George McCloud set the record for most three-point attempts (678). From the 1997–98 season, the NBA reverted the line to its original distance of 23 feet, 9 inches (22 feet at the corners). Ray Allen broke Scott's record with 269 three-pointers in the 2005–06 season.
WAs not Kobe's rookie year 96-97?
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During the 1994–95, 1995–96, and 1996–97 seasons, the NBA attempted to address decreased scoring by shortening the distance of the line from 23 feet, 9 inches (22 feet at the corners) to a uniform 22 feet (6.7 m) around the basket. In 1995–96, Dennis Scott set a then-record for most three-pointers made in a season (267) and George McCloud set the record for most three-point attempts (678). From the 1997–98 season, the NBA reverted the line to its original distance of 23 feet, 9 inches (22 feet at the corners). Ray Allen broke Scott's record with 269 three-pointers in the 2005–06 season.
WAs not Kobe's rookie year 96-97?
Forgot all about that. That's when some players like Nick Van Excel still shot from what would be the old 3 point line, because they were so use to their stroke that they just shot from long range. Man, I forgot all about that.
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i said kobe coulda averaged 40 points on a team like the cavs, which was centered around running ISOs for him (considering he scored 30 ppg playing alongside shaq). not when he was a rookie, though LOL. his numbers woulda been much higher bein drafted to a lower-seeded team as a rookie, but the 40 ppg would obviously take some years under the belt to achieve.
And I told you, there's no chance he could've done it back in the day. It was a different ball game back then, the rules were different - after 2002 season the NBA went soft with defensive rules in order to make the game more quicker. It don't matter if he was drafted to the Grizzlies - there's no way he could average 40pts/per game in a season durining years from 1997 to 2002, plus don't forget it took him 2-3 years to adapt to the NBA body-wise. He took off durning 99-00 season..
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99-2000 season, he was NBA ready, 2000-2001 season Kobe was fuckin' unstoppable. But drafted to the Grizzlies, thank god Jerry west saw something in that kid. West was actually against players coming out of high school and was on record in the LA Times as saying as much. Then he traded for Kobe... LMAO. That's why West was a genius.
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consistency is one of the best measures to judge fundamentals. If you have good fundamentals, then you'd be consistent. If you don't have good fundamentals, then you will be streaky. And 18, 19, 20 year old Kobe was very streaky.
this is the dumbest shit ever posted on dubcc...u can have great fundamentals, but not be consistent. lets say u get old, and aren't in physical shape to run and move like u used to...ur fundamentals would still be the same, but consistency would diminish. same shit goes for if ur young and dont have an nba-ready body. man, mdogg, i think u just say shit to hear urself talk.
not talking, typing.
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i said kobe coulda averaged 40 points on a team like the cavs, which was centered around running ISOs for him (considering he scored 30 ppg playing alongside shaq). not when he was a rookie, though LOL. his numbers woulda been much higher bein drafted to a lower-seeded team as a rookie, but the 40 ppg would obviously take some years under the belt to achieve.
And I told you, there's no chance he could've done it back in the day. It was a different ball game back then, the rules were different - after 2002 season the NBA went soft with defensive rules in order to make the game more quicker. It don't matter if he was drafted to the Grizzlies - there's no way he could average 40pts/per game in a season durining years from 1997 to 2002, plus don't forget it took him 2-3 years to adapt to the NBA body-wise. He took off durning 99-00 season..
lol, athletes became much more advanced, athletic, and overall stronger during kobe's day....MJ was goin up agains the likes of jeff hornacek, byron russell, and hersey hawkins. it wasnt a league dominated by insane athletes on the perimeter like nowadays. it was a big dominant game, which actually made it EASIER for jordan. if he played with the likes of lebron, durant, melo, t-mac, VC athletes as such, he wouldn't have as easy a job on the perimeter as he did. on top of that, i'm pretty sure we've discussed this in the past...the no zone rules back in the days also made it much easier for wings to get through the lane...no triple teams like u can do today, it was a different game, harder for bigs, but easier on the perimeter players. and quit sayin theres no chance....this is a guy who never attempted as many shots per game as jordan did in his best scoring season, but he still averaged 35.4 ppg. if he was drafted to a toronto or cleveland type with a franchise handed to him, he coulda very easily done it by 2002. like i said, he averaged 28.5 ppg as a 21 year old in 2000.....with shaq attempting 20 shots a game. 11.5 more point without those 20 attempts by shaq is not unthinkable.
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you try to make it sound like Kobe and MJ played 50 years apart lol
the NBA was a lot harder to play in for guards in the 80's because of the physicality, this cannot be argued.
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you try to make it sound like Kobe and MJ played 50 years apart lol
the NBA was a lot harder to play in for guards in the 80's because of the physicality, this cannot be argued.
lmao...yea, the refs let more slide, of course, but players werent built like they are today. the athletes of today would shit on the athletes of the 80s from an athletic standpoint. just take a look at all the opposing 2guards MJ had to face in all of his finals. in the 80s, ur average 2guard was 6'3" and 180 pounds LOL
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you try to make it sound like Kobe and MJ played 50 years apart lol
the NBA was a lot harder to play in for guards in the 80's because of the physicality, this cannot be argued.
lmao...yea, the refs let more slide, of course, but players werent built like they are today. the athletes of today would shit on the athletes of the 80s from an athletic standpoint. just take a look at all the opposing 2guards MJ had to face in all of his finals. in the 80s, ur average 2guard was 6'3" and 180 pounds LOL
Yeah, while the big men have declined guard play is way up these days.
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i said kobe coulda averaged 40 points on a team like the cavs, which was centered around running ISOs for him (considering he scored 30 ppg playing alongside shaq). not when he was a rookie, though LOL. his numbers woulda been much higher bein drafted to a lower-seeded team as a rookie, but the 40 ppg would obviously take some years under the belt to achieve.
And I told you, there's no chance he could've done it back in the day. It was a different ball game back then, the rules were different - after 2002 season the NBA went soft with defensive rules in order to make the game more quicker. It don't matter if he was drafted to the Grizzlies - there's no way he could average 40pts/per game in a season durining years from 1997 to 2002, plus don't forget it took him 2-3 years to adapt to the NBA body-wise. He took off durning 99-00 season..
lol, athletes became much more advanced, athletic, and overall stronger during kobe's day....MJ was goin up agains the likes of jeff hornacek, byron russell, and hersey hawkins. it wasnt a league dominated by insane athletes on the perimeter like nowadays. it was a big dominant game, which actually made it EASIER for jordan. if he played with the likes of lebron, durant, melo, t-mac, VC athletes as such, he wouldn't have as easy a job on the perimeter as he did. on top of that, i'm pretty sure we've discussed this in the past...the no zone rules back in the days also made it much easier for wings to get through the lane...no triple teams like u can do today, it was a different game, harder for bigs, but easier on the perimeter players. and quit sayin theres no chance....this is a guy who never attempted as many shots per game as jordan did in his best scoring season, but he still averaged 35.4 ppg. if he was drafted to a toronto or cleveland type with a franchise handed to him, he coulda very easily done it by 2002. like i said, he averaged 28.5 ppg as a 21 year old in 2000.....with shaq attempting 20 shots a game. 11.5 more point without those 20 attempts by shaq is not unthinkable.
LOL. MJ didn't have a jumpshot going until 88-89 season, when he was starting to hit more shots from the outside. Most of his points from his first 4 seasons came from playing close to the rim and driving to the basket, where big man were waiting to foul him hard. What do you mean, there wasen't no triple-teams back then? Jordan was constantly double and triple-teamed, specially playing against Pistons, Celtics and Knicks. And I told you a milion times already - just because zone defense was illegal back in the day, dosen't mean teams didn't play it. Just watch the Bulls-Pistons or Bulls-Knicks series and see for yourself.
Jordan averaged 27,8 shots per game in his best scoring season while playing 82 games, Bryant took 27,2 shots per game in his best season, while playing 80 games, so stop pretending like he took 10 more shots/per game than Kobe - the difference is a little more than half a shot per game ::)