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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: C-clamp on March 12, 2005, 08:05:09 PM
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I was just listenin to the B-side and funkdafied, and Da Brat verses sound just like a snoop verse would go, same flow, same type of lyrics, they seem pretty much identical.
Does any one know or is it all one big-ass coincidence?
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Da Brat and Kriss Kross were biting Snoop heavily around '94 or so. It was probably JD's idea. As far as I know, Snoop was not involved.
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KRISS KROSS WAS DA SHIT!!!!!!! I ACTUALLY SEEN DEM 2 FUKSS WHEN THEY CAME OUT 2 BLOCKS FROM MY PAD
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JD has said in the past that when Da Brat came out, she was meant to be the female version of Snoop Dogg, and they tried promoting her that way
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yeah funkdefied sounded like doggystyle
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Da Brat and Kriss Kross were biting Snoop heavily around '94 or so. It was probably JD's idea. As far as I know, Snoop was not involved.
Yeah that's what it is. She definitely does soudn EXACTLY like Snoop on Give it to you and Funkdafied. I never heard the rest of her album though, was it any good? Kriss Kross had that same Snoop flow, and they were actually tite, but the fact that they were promoted as a gimmick killed them. Lil Bow Wow has a Snoop-influenced flow as well, but Snoop supposedly coached him back in the day so maybe that's why.
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Da Brat and Kriss Kross were biting Snoop heavily around '94 or so. It was probably JD's idea. As far as I know, Snoop was not involved.
Yeah that's what it is. She definitely does soudn EXACTLY like Snoop on Give it to you and Funkdafied. I never heard the rest of her album though, was it any good? Kriss Kross had that same Snoop flow, and they were actually tite, but the fact that they were promoted as a gimmick killed them. Lil Bow Wow has a Snoop-influenced flow as well, but Snoop supposedly coached him back in the day so maybe that's why.
Kriss Kross's third album "Young, Rich, and Dangerous" was pretty hot, especially "Tonite's tha nite" and "to live and die for hip hop". JD actually was pretty tight when it came to ripping off G-Funk. Wouldn't mind him producin more like that nowadays. Though it was funny when he was dissed in the "what would u do?" video off death Row Uncut
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Da Brat and Kriss Kross were biting Snoop heavily around '94 or so. It was probably JD's idea. As far as I know, Snoop was not involved.
Yeah that's what it is. She definitely does soudn EXACTLY like Snoop on Give it to you and Funkdafied. I never heard the rest of her album though, was it any good? Kriss Kross had that same Snoop flow, and they were actually tite, but the fact that they were promoted as a gimmick killed them. Lil Bow Wow has a Snoop-influenced flow as well, but Snoop supposedly coached him back in the day so maybe that's why.
I heard her first album when it came out, one of my boys bought the tape and I heard it. She sounds exactly like Snoop on the whole album. I remember when I first heard heard Funkdafied, I thought it was 2 females, since JD's high pitched voice sounds like a bitch on that song, and that they were down with Snoop and the Dogg Pound.
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^^^at that time they were not down with JD and Da Brat at all, there is an alternate version of Tha Dogg Pound's "What Would U Do?" vdeo where JD is begging for money while Snoop is about to get his shoes shined, and he says "Here Get You A Ticket To Atlanta" and while Kurupt, Daz and Snoop are performing in the video in a bar or saloon, a "Fake Da Brat" is behind them looking at them kind of studying them, as they rap thy're verses, i think Da Brat and JD and alot of other, i mean alot, who were biting Dre and Snoop's shyt were the reason for that song, "What Would U Do If You Could/ Get With Me Or My Crew/ you Cant So Dont Even Think About It!" Pretty Self explanitory....
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Da Brat was the first female rapper to go platinum, but there was more hate then celebration, because she and JD staight BIT OFF Snoop's whole image, style, production, i mean there were alot of cats with the sound, after "The Chronic", but West Coast artist didnt sound like Snoop at all, Cube, Cypress, she straight bit, and barely started getting recognition after she switched her flow, Even Tha Dogg Pound didnt sound like Snoop, and she wasnt apart of them so naw Snoop never wrote for her...
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haha yeah i was always wondering about Da Brat look alike in that what would you do video on the death row uncut.
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Funkdafied was a dope track.
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treach claimed he ghostwrote for kriss kross.
i believe someone (jd or maybe treach) was ghostwriting for da brat originally, then she started writing her own shit.
did she bite snoop's shit? hell yeah. but death row never released another pure g-funk album after snoop. just a couple soundtracks. maybe pac's "all eyez on me" had a bunch of g-funk tracks. after snoop's shit, lil 1/2 dead - steel on a mission was probably the best thing going for pure g-funk. dazzie dee & yo yo too. b.g. knocc out & dre had a heavy west coast funk sound too, but death row strayed away from the g-funk.
so why hate on da brat for biting the g-funk. death row wasn't doing it. one album a year ass label until '95. when they dropped 2.
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Kriss Kross's third album "Young, Rich, and Dangerous" was pretty hot, especially "Tonite's tha nite" and "to live and die for hip hop". JD actually was pretty tight when it came to ripping off G-Funk. Wouldn't mind him producin more like that nowadays. Though it was funny when he was dissed in the "what would u do?" video off death Row Uncut
Hell yeah it was, I thought it was shady that people knocked it just because they used to be a gimmick. That first song "Some cut up" was hard as hell, I still play it sometimes.
Damn, I guess I was too young to realize that Da Brat was bitin Snoop and them when it came out, I just know it was hot. I am not mad at them for "bitin" their style because it still came off good. I thought Snoop was cool with JD back then though, I remember Snoop was mad at Dre when he dissed JD and he said he had been down with JD for a long time, and I know that Suge hated JD because Snoop supposedly had passed Bow Wow to JD because he said he didn't need to be around Death Row back then. Remember Bow Wow was in the video for Gin n Juice, and on the skit "I wanna be a mothafuckin hustla"? I guess Suge was gonna sign him then.
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Damn, I guess I was too young to realize that Da Brat was bitin Snoop and them when it came out, I just know it was hot. I am not mad at them for "bitin" their style because it still came off good. I thought Snoop was cool with JD back then though, I remember Snoop was mad at Dre when he dissed JD and he said he had been down with JD for a long time, and I know that Suge hated JD because Snoop supposedly had passed Bow Wow to JD because he said he didn't need to be around Death Row back then. Remember Bow Wow was in the video for Gin n Juice, and on the skit "I wanna be a mothafuckin hustla"? I guess Suge was gonna sign him then.
Lil' Bow Wow was supposed to be on the Murder was the Case soundtrack as well but did not make the cut. As for JD, many people hate on him, but I give him props for Kriss Kross, considering he was the first producer to produce platinum hits before he turned 18
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didnt snoop and dpg diss them 2 niggas (da brat and j.d) in that what would u do ( i thinkk its the name) video..
kuz i remember snoop was walkin and they had their look a likes walkin a he jus looked at em like.. :-\ and kept walkin
snoop didnt too much like the brat nor j.d back then.. if i do recall
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brats lyrics werent that bad
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didnt snoop and dpg diss them 2 niggas (da brat and j.d) in that what would u do ( i thinkk its the name) video..
kuz i remember snoop was walkin and they had their look a likes walkin a he jus looked at em like.. :-\ and kept walkin
snoop didnt too much like the brat nor j.d back then.. if i do recall
off the top of my head, I remember the JD lookalike, but I don't remember Da Brat lookalike. There was beef between the camps though, since JD and Da Brat were close with Bad Boy, Suge's best friend was killed at a party hosted by Jermaine Dupri, and once Pac came to Death Row. Not to mention, that Pac coming to Death Row with his own issues with Bad Boy.
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they had her look-a-like tho... as he was walkin out the pool hall or whatever it was..she passed em...and he mean mugged her like bitch...she looked jus like her...
its been a min since i saw that video...
death row were the kings of makin parody's of people.....i'd never thought of havin ezell from the movie friday to play eazy e...lol
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death row were the kings of makin parody's of people.....i'd never thought of havin ezell from the movie friday to play eazy e...lol
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The B.I.G./Puffy parodies were pretty good too
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in the deathrow uncut dvd the long version of what would you do shows a da brat and jermain dupri look a like rappin and big c style tosses some money at them and tells them to go back to atlanta....
it was pretty much common knowlege that so so def's whole camp was biting deathrow in the 90's
from production to flow etc. etc. jermaine dupree is a good producer but he has NEVER been original... through out the years Ive seen him jump on and off so many band wagons as far as his beats go... from dre to daz to timbaland to the neptunes and Im not trying to take away from his credibility butfrom this stand point I wasnt surprised that he signed daz because on the low he probably looked up to daz and the whole deathrow movment....
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i havent heard any of his beats that sounded like dre..yet...and i own most of the stuff he's put out...
but u can tell some of his stuff is dj quik influenced.. especially that 1472 and that instructionz cd... sounded like somethin quik jus threw away...and he found em..
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how a bout that song that featured nate dogg from instructions that had a similar vibe to some of dre's shit from 2001...
there were tracks from kris kross da bomb and da brats fun da fied tha thad a dre-ish sound to them
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jermaine dupri's sound was closer to warren g or a warren g/quik hybrid, (you know, cats that actually produced g-funk) than dre.
whatever (http://homepage.mac.com/nibs/.Music/13%20Whatever.m4a) muthaphukka!
dre can't produce funk like that without warren g or sean thomas in the studio ghost producing.
and that kriss kross track "alright" off their second album was a heater too.
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da b side track with biggie was some sick ass g funk
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but u can tell some of his stuff is dj quik influenced.. especially that 1472 and that instructionz cd... sounded like somethin quik jus threw away...and he found em..
Quik produced the last track on that album, and I believe he either produced or mixed the track with Snoop and Warren G
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there were numerous tracks on that album that sounded quikish. "the party continues", "all that's gotta go", "sweetheart"... that's a very warm g-funk sound, reminiscent of something like "you'z a ganxsta", "we still party" or "it'z your fantasy". dre never had a sound like that.
or even tonite or something if you want to go way back
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its more like the warren g kind of gfunk...
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^^definitely
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jermaine dupri's sound was closer to warren g or a warren g/quik hybrid, (you know, cats that actually produced g-funk) than dre.
whatever (http://homepage.mac.com/nibs/.Music/13%20Whatever.m4a) muthaphukka!
dre can't produce funk like that without warren g or sean thomas in the studio ghost producing.
and that kriss kross track "alright" off their second album was a heater too.
there were a gang of tracks off 2001 that had a funky ass vibe to them... light speed was one of ' em
lets get high was another one
hoes a housewife
and I agree kriss kross had a gang of heaters on there albums, dupree isnt a bad producer by any means but original is one thing he aint.
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bigg vegaz
there were a gang of tracks off 2001 that had a funky ass vibe to them... light speed was one of ' em
lets get high was another one
hoes a housewife
"funky"??? sure. but "funky" is a huge umbrella. everythang "funky" ain't "g-funk".
most of funkadelic's shit (other than knee deep) was rock; so i'm a little skeptical of that funky label.
let's look at "let's get high":
this is what dj quik did with that sample: break bread (http://homepage.mac.com/nibs/.Music/break%20bread.mp3)
this is what cold 187um did with the same sample: givin it up (http://homepage.mac.com/nibs/.Music/Givin&20It%20Up.m4a)
dre's variant is very far from that classic g-funk sound. it's a very east coast monotonous sound. i'd go so far as to say that nothing on 2001 approaches shit like even "been there, done that" or "eastcoast west coast killers" on the g-funk scale (and those were deritatives at best). dre doesn't do it anymore. dre can't do it anymore.
and i'd have singled out "some l.a. niggaz" over those tracks which, while funky, have a more old school, rough, east coast, 70's dirty sound to them and not a modern g-funk sound.
and in terms of dupri sounding like warren g over quik, i think it really depends on which track. dupri is less musical than quik, less instruments, less variation in sounds, so that's something he shares with warren g.
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If dupri was to have been influenced by another producer from the deathrow era one could argue that daz himself was an influence and you can hear it on kriss kross young rich and dangerous album . Id like to think that what dre tried to do was take g funk to the next level and give it a more east coastish appeal so that it would be universal...but quiks last album and warren G's last album werent all that g funkish
either, if your talking about the claptracks and the warm bass lines and the whiney synths and whatnot... as a matter of fact the last time Id even heard production like that was on Daz last album....
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yeah, quik tried to make his shit east coastish too. but i'd say dre abandoned g-funk completely.
daz did do some good things on the dpg lp, and cat is still doing good things as well.
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yeah, quik tried to make his shit east coastish too. but i'd say dre abandoned g-funk completely.
daz did do some good things on the dpg lp, and cat is still doing good things as well.
yup...battlecat knows not to abandon his signature sound...in music everything comes full circle eventually. I can see the west is starting to get its " legs " back...its only a matter of time before the whole retro thing starts kicking in and hopefully G funk will be reborn...
and I believe that dre did abandon G funk because the whole industry pretty much rapped that sound that him and deathrow invented so he did what all credible musicians do and thats reinvent themselves...you notice how when quik and dre got down with each other, how quik started dropping eastcoast sounding tracks?...I wasnt feeling that shit at all...do you man....stick to what works for you.
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bigg vegaz:
yup...battlecat knows not to abandon his signature sound...in music everything comes full circle eventually
quik has always gotten love from his fans but he's never really gotten the sales to back it up, certainly not along the levels of dre; so i sort of understood why he tried to mix it up on an album and see if he could broaden his appeal.
the thing i don't get is back in 2000 or so when everyone was saying "snoop can't do shit without dre", it was battlecat and g-funk "g'd up" that brought him back to the forefront. "we can freak it" was kurupt's biggest single. (although girls all pause was big). i don't understand why snoop and kurupt moved away from what works for them.
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bigg vegaz:
yup...battlecat knows not to abandon his signature sound...in music everything comes full circle eventually
quik has always gotten love from his fans but he's never really gotten the sales to back it up, certainly not along the levels of dre; so i sort of understood why he tried to mix it up on an album and see if he could broaden his appeal.
the thing i don't get is back in 2000 or so when everyone was saying "snoop can't do shit without dre", it was battlecat and g-funk "g'd up" that brought him back to the forefront. "we can freak it" was kurupt's biggest single. (although girls all pause was big). i don't understand why snoop and kurupt moved away from what works for them.
thats an astute observation and I agree...battlecat is partialy responsible for the west's little run in 1999 - 2001... his work with snoop and the eastsiders speak for itself...battlecat was even one of aftermaths "inhouse" producers for a quick second he had a short contract with them to produce a certain amount of beats and was supposed to over see hittmans album...DJ Quik
has went on record to say battlecat gave quik some play on how to program his drum tracks in his earlier days , but I think that battlecat should have expanded to work with a few east coast cats or southern cats to get his name out there a little bit...because battlecat is possibly the most underrated out of ALL the producers....including warren G in my opinion....
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yes....
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yes....
You're right, what was I thinking?
lol...