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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: topshotta on March 15, 2005, 02:19:32 AM
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I just can't see why so many wcc-heads and alot of other people were hating on Eminem's 2pac-album "Loyal 2 The Game" when it was released acouple of months ago.
Em has captured the vibe of how the sound could've been back when these 2 Pac lyrics were recorded. Plus he added a
fresh vibe from the current rap-scene.
Pac's lyrics could've been better, but you gotta keep in mind they are from the begining of his career and he was still in a developing stage. And they ain't that bad anyways!
This album is atleast a 3/5 to me, and don't come tellin' me Eminem has no business doing Pac-beats, cause if 2Pac would've
been alive today the 2 would without a reasonable doubt be makin tracks together!
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he couldnt make beats to go with pac's flow.....he had to slow his shit down or make his shit go faster......some beats were wack and they sound the same......and he made em say things like: g unit, em, etc. shit like that......plus that collabo with elton john, i didnt like that very much.....that remix by Dj One over Akons beat was much better.... :(
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You gotta keep in mind that it gotta be pretty hard to make beats to a lyricist that is dead obviously, who can't write to the beat as it normally goes. That's why the flow doesn't really fit Em's beats, but it still sounds good as hell to me!
And that "Ghetto Gospel"-joint is the shit in my opinion!
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that "g-unit in the motherfuckin house" alone was foul :grumpy:
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that "g-unit in the motherfuckin house" alone was foul :grumpy:
lmao, exactly.
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that "g-unit in the motherfuckin house" alone was foul :grumpy:
agreed. and the beats were shitty. Em uses the same drum and sare type beat so it all sounds the same.
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I ain't sayin Eminem is that good of a producer. He learnt what he knows from Dre and the Math-producers after he became famous. He has been doin rhymes for like 20 years but only been a producer for 5 years so he still has alot to learn.
Under the conditions this album was made you can't hate on it like that, there's probably not many lyrics from 2 Pac
left for makin "new" tracks with!
I thought it was pretty funny how they took different words and vocals and made Pac say stuff like he was alive
kickin it with the Shady-camp!
That pretty much shows and sums up why the album sounds like it does, the lyrics were never intended for those beats,
so that's why they did those made-up lines, plus I guess they had pretty fun with it in the studio also..
Afeni Shakur was just smart by offering Eminem to produce a whole old/new Pac-album, and Em probably was just
happy he got the chance to do it.
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Best songs on the labum were the three bonus tracks at the end that Em had fuck all to do with!!!
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john elton
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and don't come tellin' me Eminem has no business doing Pac-beats, cause if 2Pac would've been alive today the 2 would without a reasonable doubt be makin tracks together!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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and don't come tellin' me Eminem has no business doing Pac-beats, cause if 2Pac would've been alive today the 2 would without a reasonable doubt be makin tracks together!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
lmao...
antonio is right though
you can never say what would've happened, but there is one thing we can agree on:
this album sucks due to the production
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best posthumous pac release tho
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best posthumous pac release tho
dude, it's even worse than nu-mixx
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you can never say what would've happened, but there is one thing we can agree on:
this album sucks due to the production
Yeah we can agree on that. The production of this album is lacking. But it's still a good posthumous Pac-album!
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that "g-unit in the motherfuckin house" alone was foul :grumpy:
same here and the oter thinks like Eminem or Obie Trice, whitch he made him say is shit...and than this with elton john.....I think to this I haven't to say anything..... :tosser: :puke:
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>:(Tha FACTZ:
The reason why so many REAL hip-hop headz waz hatin on The Eminem produced Pac album iz becuzz tha boy iz not hood like tha rest of us.this nigga made tha album sound Str8 up like hiz!...almost every song on this album soundz real Whity-ish(No Offence).Everyone knowz that like 95% of em fanz don't even know what real rap musik iz,only whatz popular.I know 4 a fact that pac iz really dead cuz he wouldnt let em do that shit.I would rather see P-Diddy produce tha album than Em.And they should let every top producer do hiz next album,I'd like 2 hear Rik Rok,Dre,etc... on the next one.I can't believe i wasted $13.95 :-\
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This album is not great but it certainly isn't as bad as people make it out to be. If Eminem's name wasn't there it wouldn't get as much hate, that's for sure.
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bcuz he modifies it to say sht like "Em" and "G-Unit" and shit.... who does he think he is a) changing his words b)saying who pac would and wouldnt roll with.... wtf
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>:(Tha FACTZ:
The reason why so many REAL hip-hop headz waz hatin on The Eminem produced Pac album iz becuzz tha boy iz not hood like tha rest of us.this nigga made tha album sound Str8 up like hiz!...almost every song on this album soundz real Whity-ish(No Offence).Everyone knowz that like 95% of em fanz don't even know what real rap musik iz,only whatz popular.I know 4 a fact that pac iz really dead cuz he wouldnt let em do that shit.I would rather see P-Diddy produce tha album than Em.And they should let every top producer do hiz next album,I'd like 2 hear Rik Rok,Dre,etc... on the next one.I can't believe i wasted $13.95 :-\
most of pacs fans are white kids
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The album aint awful, i didnt like them making pac say things he didnt. Also some of the beats and guests were iffy to say the least.
I will give eminem props though coz on the majority of the tracks the hook is done by just pac and not a r n b singer like on UTEOT and better dayz.
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Man the real reason is that Eminem is not creative at all with production. He doesnt make them good G-Funk beats Pac usually chosed for his tracks, he makes 2005 music, with a whole new sound, totally different from the OG Pac one. You know what i mean? I mean them tracks on the Resurrection OST sounds like they Eminem tracks rapped by 2Pac. The tracks on this album sounds the same, like Eminem tracks rapped by Pac. It sounds like a damn Eminem album!! Shit in a track 2Pac sounds like Bone Thugz!!! That's not his style!! That's not what OG Pac fans wanted from this Pac album. That's why it sucks imo. Cause Eminem made this album like if it was HIS OWN album, not like it was a 2PAC album.
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i dont know were to start
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>:(Tha FACTZ:
The reason why so many REAL hip-hop headz waz hatin on The Eminem produced Pac album iz becuzz tha boy iz not hood like tha rest of us.this nigga made tha album sound Str8 up like hiz!...almost every song on this album soundz real Whity-ish(No Offence).Everyone knowz that like 95% of em fanz don't even know what real rap musik iz,only whatz popular.I know 4 a fact that pac iz really dead cuz he wouldnt let em do that shit.I would rather see P-Diddy produce tha album than Em.And they should let every top producer do hiz next album,I'd like 2 hear Rik Rok,Dre,etc... on the next one.I can't believe i wasted $13.95 :-\
most of pacs fans are white kids
This should be on the "Negro Please" section of the Scource or XXL Mag next time
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This album is atleast a 3/5 to me, and don't come tellin' me Eminem has no business doing Pac-beats, cause if 2Pac would've
been alive today the 2 would without a reasonable doubt be makin tracks together!
LMAO
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>:(Tha FACTZ:
The reason why so many REAL hip-hop headz waz hatin on The Eminem produced Pac album iz becuzz tha boy iz not hood like tha rest of us.this nigga made tha album sound Str8 up like hiz!...almost every song on this album soundz real Whity-ish(No Offence).Everyone knowz that like 95% of em fanz don't even know what real rap musik iz,only whatz popular.I know 4 a fact that pac iz really dead cuz he wouldnt let em do that shit.I would rather see P-Diddy produce tha album than Em.And they should let every top producer do hiz next album,I'd like 2 hear Rik Rok,Dre,etc... on the next one.I can't believe i wasted $13.95 :-\
most of pacs fans are white kids
This should be on the "Negro Please" section of the Scource or XXL Mag next time
that section is awesome
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that "g-unit in the motherfuckin house" alone was foul :grumpy:
same here and the oter thinks like Eminem or Obie Trice, whitch he made him say is shit...and than this with elton john.....I think to this I haven't to say anything..... :tosser: :puke:
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Tupac would most defintly not roll with G-Unit and eminem because tupac beefed with dre before he died, i think if pac and biggie didnt die, most of these shitty rappers wouldnt still be rapping. Loyal to the game was produced horribly with the exeption of a couple tracks produced by scott storch and Dj quik. Eminem came wack on an old school track.
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i think there was nothing wrong with throwing elton on a track, that was the only track i liked
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i think there was nothing wrong with throwing elton on a track, that was the only track i liked
i thought the ghetto gospel track was pretty dope ???
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^ thats wat i just said.
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the album wasnt bad..but you just have to like eminems production
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ok a couple of things...
* if you're so sure Pac would've worked with Eminem, prove it...
* calling it "Em's 2Pac album" isnt making anyone like it
* there was only 2 good songs ("Ghetto Gospel" & "Thugs Get Lonely Too")
* everyone know it sucks, they only picked Em cuz they know it would sell off his name alone
* no on wants to hear 2Pac rappin with Obie Trice, G-Unit, Dido, and Eminem's other favorite artist
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holy shit white boy you are one annoying motherfucker
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most of pacs fans are white kids
i'm not sure. dr dre and 50 have most white fans than pac
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i think there was nothing wrong with throwing elton on a track, that was the only track i liked
maybe u right but in my eyes putting a faggot with an dead og is really disrespecting.. why em making pac fuck with a fag that aint cool.. afcourse there are other things I didnt like but this is the biggest reason... anywayz I think its not chill making new albums of death man leftovers. and I aint never gone buy a 2pac album.
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First of all Ghetto Ghospel is the worst song on the album in my opinion and yes it was produced by Eminem but other than that, i didn't find a lot of flaws on the CD. Take Em's name off the credits and a lot of u niggaz would've been eating it up, don't front.
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if pac was alive hed be doing the same shit 50 did
dont kid urself pac was ready to crossover into the mainstream before he died because the money was rolling in for him
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the cd aint that bad... some em tracks were good but the last 3 were some of the titest. especialy the quik track
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the cd aint that bad... some em tracks were good but the last 3 were some of the titest. especialy the quik track
I can go with that...but I still think that it would be better not to mix pacs songs and let don't him say words like Eminem or Obie Trice
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First of all Ghetto Ghospel is the worst song on the album in my opinion and yes it was produced by Eminem but other than that, i didn't find a lot of flaws on the CD. Take Em's name off the credits and a lot of u niggaz would've been eating it up, don't front.
Maybe you are right, but I don't think you are. Take Em's name off it, and you still got a 2pac featuring G-Unit album with edited Pac audio giving props to G-Unit. You still have a 2pac CD with beats that don't fit him. And you still have CD with almost every beat sounding like the last.
It's not about how produces it. If Em did a good job, I would have praised it. But just like every album that has been released since he died, the beats are terrible and the artists picked to feature suck donkey balls.
They just need to release a Pac album with absolutely nothing changed. Keep the beats the same, keep the featured artists the same, and leave it at that.
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Fuck you, pac would never sell out like eminem and snoop.
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they shoulda let daz or johnny j produce it, it woulda been waaaaaaay better
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Take Em's name off the credits and a lot of u niggaz would've been eating it up, don't front.
lol im one of the few cats that like Eminem's beats. "Dont Push Me", "We Aint", "Dyin 2 Live", "8 Miles & Runnin", "The Cross", etc were all hot. the beats on this cd just sucked
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This album is a disgrace to the Tupac legacy and everything he stood for.
Beats are garbage, and Em fucking with Pac's vocals is a big no-no.
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lil jon should produce one pac song
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manny people hate on this album cause most people thin pac would have never would have worked with em or gunit.the production isnt his best and ive only listened to it twice sense i bought it. 8)
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Ok first of all loyal to the game is thrash. i bought it and i dont really know why. nothing against pac he shines like usual in every song but every beat that em did is horrible while quik's one beat was classic.
and second off all who says that if pac were alive he would be working alot with eminem??? umm pac rode with the outlaws, richie rich, spice one and rappers of that nature i doubt he would ever work with eminem or 50 cent or any other gunit bum.
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I just can't see why so many wcc-heads and alot of other people were hating on Eminem's 2pac-album "Loyal 2 The Game" when it was released acouple of months ago.
Em has captured the vibe of how the sound could've been back when these 2 Pac lyrics were recorded. Plus he added a
fresh vibe from the current rap-scene.
Pac's lyrics could've been better, but you gotta keep in mind they are from the begining of his career and he was still in a developing stage. And they ain't that bad anyways!
This album is atleast a 3/5 to me, and don't come tellin' me Eminem has no business doing Pac-beats, cause if 2Pac would've
been alive today the 2 would without a reasonable doubt be makin tracks together!
Why is it anytime someone doesn't like something they are called haters......?
Everyone ain't gonna like everything this is bullshit i'm sure if everyone who said they hated tha album said they loved it you would've never said anything about hate.
I don't like Gospel Music, i guess i'm a Kirk Franklin hater now.......... ::)
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You gotta keep in mind that it gotta be pretty hard to make beats to a lyricist that is dead obviously, who can't write to the beat as it normally goes. That's why the flow doesn't really fit Em's beats, but it still sounds good as hell to me!
And that "Ghetto Gospel"-joint is the shit in my opinion!
Stop makin' fuckin' excuses Johnny J. made some good beats for 2Pac since his death but then again Feminem isn't no where close to Johnny J.
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The shits garbage that's why.
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and don't come tellin' me Eminem has no business doing Pac-beats, cause if 2Pac would've been alive today the 2 would without a reasonable doubt be makin tracks together!
this is tha first time i've ever seen your name on this forum and it's making a topic and you make me sick already, If 2Pac was still alive Biggie still would've been alive probably. So many rappers were afraid to come out back then , tha style of Hip Hop was completely different to how it is right now. Jay-Z was barely making his way in tha music buisness back then and in this generation he made albums go 5X Platinum.
I don't care what nobody says but all these rappers out now would've been out this day if 2Pac and Biggie were alive tha mindstate of Hip Hop fans was hard to please alsonowdays all you have to do get a dope beat and you can say your ABC's and have a Platinum album.
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tupac was beefing with dre before he died. dre signed eminem, eminem signed g-unit. now why the fuck would tupac collab with people hes beefing with.Eminem did a terrible job on producing this album, mainly because hes not a producer. I think afeni shouldnt be in charge of the tupac legacy because she does not know how the rap industry works. That album is a piece of shit.
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this album is a certified classic. :banana_llama:
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Napoleon was disappointed witt tha sound of tha album also........
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best posthumous pac release tho
dude, it's even worse than nu-mixx
no way, nu-mixx was one of the worst albums ive heard... LTTG is 10X better... atleast on LTTG were hearing new material, unlike nu-mix which is old songs redone... i mean what would u rrather hear, OLD pac songs with shitty production or NEW pac songs with shitty production(with the exception of quik)? i dunno about u but id rather hear new shit..
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Eminem ruined that shit. He takes off the original guest spots and replaces em with muthafuckas pac would never fuck wit. Eminems beats are sorry as fuck. This prolly coulda been a good album if they woulda just left the songs alone with the original beats and guest spots. Leave it to the elvis of rap to ruin a legend's music.
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best posthumous pac release tho
dude, it's even worse than nu-mixx
no way, nu-mixx was one of the worst albums ive heard... LTTG is 10X better... atleast on LTTG were hearing new material, unlike nu-mix which is old songs redone... i mean what would u rrather hear, OLD pac songs with shitty production or NEW pac songs with shitty production(with the exception of quik)? i dunno about u but id rather hear new shit..
you act as if i like nu-mixx :loco:
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no way, nu-mixx was one of the worst albums ive heard... LTTG is 10X better... atleast on LTTG were hearing new material, unlike nu-mix which is old songs redone... i mean what would u rrather hear, OLD pac songs with shitty production or NEW pac songs with shitty production(with the exception of quik)? i dunno about u[/b] but id rather hear new shit..
you act as if i like nu-mixx :loco:
no, im saying that i like LTTG more than nu-mixx...nowhere do i say u like nu-mixx...
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I wonder how someone like treach feels about being taking out of the loyal to the game song. Yeah no matter what you want to think of the album, the fact that he altered what tupac said is so arrogant to me. What other artist of any genre has their work messed with so much? I mean a few weeks ago I finally got to hear the version of Still Ballin' with kurupt, like it was originally made, without tupac being altered to shout out trick daddy. Its just fucked up to me. If Eminem thinks tupac is such a genious, he should let his work stand the way it is. Who would of though a few years ago that this annoying voice rapper who just says outrageous things to get attention would be producing a Tupac Shakur album....
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people hate on it because its trash. pac is great as usual but em has no business touching or fixing any music pac ever did, em's beats are whack as fuck, and those bitches had pac screaming obie trice and gunit and shit, thats a joke.
fuck eminem, fuck gunit, and fuck dr dre because while snoop is ready to roll with the west again i cant remember the last time dre worked withsome1 not affiliated with em or aftermath. fuck all these people for changing pacs legacy in a negative way.
lttg is terrible
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I wonder how someone like treach feels about being taking out of the loyal to the game song. Yeah no matter what you want to think of the album, the fact that he altered what tupac said is so arrogant to me. What other artist of any genre has their work messed with so much? I mean a few weeks ago I finally got to hear the version of Still Ballin' with kurupt, like it was originally made, without tupac being altered to shout out trick daddy. Its just fucked up to me. If Eminem thinks tupac is such a genious, he should let his work stand the way it is. Who would of though a few years ago that this annoying voice rapper who just says outrageous things to get attention would be producing a Tupac Shakur album....
^^Great points made here.
But seriously, these Eminem beats are straight GARBAGE. There is no need for us to settle for mediocracy. I don't get it, when Em is in the studio producing does everybody in there kiss his ass or something? If I was in "G-Unit" or "D12" (who claim to be true Pac fans) I'd tell Em, "Yo that beat is trash, what else you got. Naw, thats trash too, next. Nigga this is Pac's legacy you're fuckin with you better come correct with some Westside beats, not this off-beat Elton John bullshit!!