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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Jome on April 06, 2005, 08:45:14 PM
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Who ???
Who can see Ras Kass lyrically, maybe on a good day and Ras on a bad day.. ??
Pharoahe Monch, Rakim maybe.. G Rap in his prime.. ??
Ras = GOAT lyricist ?
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King Of The West........RAS KASS!!!! Church!!!
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maybe not beat him but id say that ice cube is pretty dope too in a different way maybe if we can say ... ice cube in the old times, not sure if hes still on point
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Canibus
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lmao at Ras Kass bein the GOAT lyricist IMO he aint nowhere near bein the best. he´s dope as fuck tho but he wouldn´t make my top 10 based on just lyricism matter of fact he wouldn´t make my top 10 in anything(flow,breathe control etc).
G Rap in his prime was A LOT BETTER then Ras Kass and i think he´s still is better then Ras Kass. First Nigga,Rikers Island,Road To The Riches,Streets Of New York>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ras Kass life
I still think Canibus is a better lyricist then Ras even tho Bis spits a little too complex rhymes every now and then.
the old Rakim was also better then Ras IMO but nowadays Ras Kass would serve Rakim with ease still doesn´t take away from the fact that Rakim is prolly the best rapper of all time.
i could go on but i don´t feel like typin a whole fuckin essay about rappers who are and used to be better lyricists then Ras Kass. now if you would´ve said the best lyricist from the west coast then i would´ve agreed with you. but i can respect anyone that thinks that Ras Kass is the top lyricist coz he´s far from bein wack but i just think he´s very hit or miss. like his Dreams freestyle IMO that shit was doo-doo but that other joint produced by Rick Rock was some next level shit.
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Ras Kass is ill...but GOAT lyricist, im not so sure...hes definitely among the top tier imo...
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No one can fuck with Ras Kass lyrically other than canibus and chino XL imo.
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Ras Kass is probably in the top 10 of all time as far as lyrically and the best lyricist from the Westcoast...
1.Kool G Rap
2.KRS-One
3.Canibus
4.Chino Xl
5.Ras Kass
6.Rakim
7.Ice Cube
8.Nas
9.GZA
10.ah fuck it im gunna say pac
IMO
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Common Sense and Nas in their prime could.
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topic nr. X in which I have to state that I think Ras is insanely overrated by heads. By far the most overrated artist ever from the west, when it comes to heads.
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nobody
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topic nr. X in which I have to state that I think Ras is insanely overrated by heads. By far the most overrated artist ever from the west, when it comes to heads.
Hes overrated but not the most overrated of all time in the West when it comes to Hip-Hop heads... His flow if off , the beats he uses are shitty, and overall as a Rapper and Artist hes not that great.
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topic nr. X in which I have to state that I think Ras is insanely overrated by heads. By far the most overrated artist ever from the west, when it comes to heads.
Hes overrated but not the most overrated of all time in the West when it comes to Hip-Hop heads... His flow if off , the beats he uses are shitty, and overall as a Rapper and Artist hes not that great.
exactly, plus his lyrics can be really racist, wrong, taken from books to make him look smart, and also overall they arent even all THAT.
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^^well even if you spit racist shit you could still be the best lyricist coz that aint got nothin to do with whether or not your a dope lyricist. if that were to play in i guess Cube aint a top 10 mc then.......
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^^well even if you spit racist shit you could still be the best lyricist coz that aint got nothin to do with whether or not your a dope lyricist. if that were to play in i guess Cube aint a top 10 mc then.......
Well Cube is agubably the best rapper of all time due to flow,lyircs,beats, and overally rapper/artist ability. Ras Kass is just a lyricist. Cube blows Ras Kass away in the rapper/artist department. But yeah Cube can be conterverisal and racist in his lyrics especially on the Death Cetificate album. Also like you said it doesnt matter if a rappers has lyrics like that as long as its dope, it doesnt make them a worse lyricst.
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nobody
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Canibus, Chino XL ???
They're not even in the same league, come up with something better.
Todays Kool G or KRS isn't seeing Ras today, Cube neither, maybe 10-15 years ago..
exactly, plus his lyrics can be really racist, wrong, taken from books to make him look smart, and also overall they arent even all THAT.
Wrong and taken from books ?? ::)
Since when does being educated being a crime in hiphop, they don't all have to be uneducated illiterate dumbfucks. :tosser:
I suggest you & Machiavelli take a listen to Soul on Ice, Rassasination, Van Gogh & a couple unreleased tracks, it doesn't seem to me like you've heard more than a few tracks from him, being young isn't a excuse.
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Peep the "Rip The Jacker" album lyrically that album is viscious and in the horseman tracks released thus far its been between Ras/canibus on the lyrical tip the other 2 don't get a look in.
As for Chino, go peep "RIIOT" and then tell me Chino couldn't hang with Ras or check out Nunca, Water, ect.
BTW Ras is my best Mc ever.
Soul on ice is incredible.
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Ras is nice, but GOAT no. Rakim has that and there are so many other Old School MC's that have catalogues to show. Ras hasn't even scratched the surface of his real talents.
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lmao at Ras Kass being the greatest of all time.Its like a fashion nowadays to say Ras is the greatest lyricist of all time.What about Chace Infinite???He's way better than Ras.People will just go & say that he isnt better cause no-one doesnt listen to Chace's music.Jada is also way better than Rassy.Ras isnt all that,listen to his flow,its shitty as hell.Well atleast lately.Also some of his lines are totally weak.
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lmao at Ras Kass being the greatest of all time.Its like a fashion nowadays to say Ras is the greatest lyricist of all time.What about Chace Infinite???He's way better than Ras.People will just go & say that he isnt better cause no-one doesnt listen to Chace's music.Jada is also way better than Rassy.Ras isnt all that,listen to his flow,its shitty as hell.Well atleast lately.Also some of his lines are totally weak.
Jada better then Ras Kass man that gotta be the joke of the year. now don´t get me wrong i think Jada is pretty dope but aint no way in hell that he´s seein Ras Kass on the mic. what about Jada then" why my buzz in LA aint it like it is in New York" and then "why the whole world love my voice" lmao at jada thinkin LA aint apart of the world.............
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2Pac was the lyricist with the most impact.
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ras kass got more of a west coast type flow
''bar code on my nuts, homie i dont give a fuck, spit SOME SHIT SO NASTY IT'LL MAKE LIL KIM BLUSH "
razzy kazzy is one of best but i know who's better then him
LIL ROB AND Spanky loco 8)
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topic nr. X in which I have to state that I think Ras is insanely overrated by heads. By far the most overrated artist ever from the west, when it comes to heads.
Hes overrated but not the most overrated of all time in the West when it comes to Hip-Hop heads... His flow if off , the beats he uses are shitty, and overall as a Rapper and Artist hes not that great.
First you said Ras is easily on the top 10 lyrically and then "he's not that great". Not very obvious ???
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i think ras is awesome and i dont think too many people can fuck with his flow or lyrics but my opinion is there is a few.
x-raided: i dont like horrorcore but listening to x you sense his creativity and lyrically hes damn good.
kurupt: not kurupt in 2005 or 2004 but kurupt in his prime from around 94-02 i believe was much better than ras kass
crooked i
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lmao at Ras Kass being the greatest of all time.Its like a fashion nowadays to say Ras is the greatest lyricist of all time.What about Chace Infinite???He's way better than Ras.People will just go & say that he isnt better cause no-one doesnt listen to Chace's music.Jada is also way better than Rassy.Ras isnt all that,listen to his flow,its shitty as hell.Well atleast lately.Also some of his lines are totally weak.
Jada better then Ras Kass man that gotta be the joke of the year. now don´t get me wrong i think Jada is pretty dope but aint no way in hell that he´s seein Ras Kass on the mic. what about Jada then" why my buzz in LA aint it like it is in New York" and then "why the whole world love my voice" lmao at jada thinkin LA aint apart of the world.............
Yep Jada ain't better than Ras Kass at all.Ok, u can say Jada has a better flow but wtf he talkin about, outside guns ?. He can't make a cohesive album, just punchlines. Jada will never make a concept song like the Nature of the threat
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k-rino would fuck anyone up lyrically, ANYONE
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ras kass is mad dope and imo I do believe he is the goat lyricist. The only people I can see messing with him is a '95 kurupt, nas, rakim, and g rap in their prime. Like Jome said some of you guys sound like you only heard a few of his tracks. Try listening to soul on ice and especially van gogh. Lyrically in terms of his battle capabilties I think he improved and showed more of it on van gogh.
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lmao at Ras Kass being the greatest of all time.Its like a fashion nowadays to say Ras is the greatest lyricist of all time.What about Chace Infinite???He's way better than Ras.People will just go & say that he isnt better cause no-one doesnt listen to Chace's music.Jada is also way better than Rassy.Ras isnt all that,listen to his flow,its shitty as hell.Well atleast lately.Also some of his lines are totally weak.
Jada better then Ras Kass man that gotta be the joke of the year. now don´t get me wrong i think Jada is pretty dope but aint no way in hell that he´s seein Ras Kass on the mic. what about Jada then" why my buzz in LA aint it like it is in New York" and then "why the whole world love my voice" lmao at jada thinkin LA aint apart of the world.............
Ok he did make a mistake in that song,but those lines dont automatically make Ras better.& yes,Jada is better on the mic,I knew people wouldnt agree wit me.Jada easily shits on Rassy lyrically,Ill take Jada's punchlines anyday over Rassy's rhymes about whatever he raps about.Of course Im not talkin bout their songs here,but their skills.Jada can talk about guns but he makes sense plus he always enhances his raps,so...basically he can talk about guns all day & be entertaining.
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lmao at Ras Kass being the greatest of all time.Its like a fashion nowadays to say Ras is the greatest lyricist of all time.What about Chace Infinite???He's way better than Ras.People will just go & say that he isnt better cause no-one doesnt listen to Chace's music.Jada is also way better than Rassy.Ras isnt all that,listen to his flow,its shitty as hell.Well atleast lately.Also some of his lines are totally weak.
^LMAO! at jada being a better lyricist than ras ... don't get me wrong I like jada, but come on dude now you sound like ras hater.
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I love rassy's music,is it wrong for me to like Jada better (lyrically)???Ive got a question for yall,I named 2 lyricists,Jada & Chace Infinite,why is it that everyone is debating bout Jada & Ras,but not about Chace & Rassy???Personally,I feel Chace is better than both Jada & Rassy.
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2Pac was the lyricist with the most impact.
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Ras Kass is one of my favorite emcees no doubt. Still I think Pac, Cube in his prime, Big Daddy Kane, Nas, Scarface and Rakim were better lyricists. As far as emcees out right now spittin, he's definitely top 10, top 5 maybe.
For those who doubt Ras Kass's abilities, find the track "Seance". That shit is ill as fuck, I keep listening to that over and over. Also check out TV Guide on Van Gogh.
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topic nr. X in which I have to state that I think Ras is insanely overrated by heads. By far the most overrated artist ever from the west, when it comes to heads.
Hes overrated but not the most overrated of all time in the West when it comes to Hip-Hop heads... His flow if off , the beats he uses are shitty, and overall as a Rapper and Artist hes not that great.
First you said Ras is easily on the top 10 lyrically and then "he's not that great". Not very obvious ???
Hes not great of a rapper/artist overall. I said hes in my top 10 LYRICALLY. There is a difference...
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Ras Kass is lyrically gifted for real... He is full of alota quoteables I mean we could start a completely different thread and fill that. To me he is a top tier emcee, maybe the top. Hes definately one of the unfuckwitables
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No One Can Fuck Wit Ras Kass
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personaly, ras is lyrical, but, his shit is boring, and not enjoyable... canibus is overated, but id listen to Rip the jacker over any ras album , anyday... rakim is Goat
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^^well even if you spit racist shit you could still be the best lyricist coz that aint got nothin to do with whether or not your a dope lyricist. if that were to play in i guess Cube aint a top 10 mc then.......
I disagree. If lyrics are ONLY rhymes for you, then yes. But then, many MCs who lack subject matter, wordplay, methaphors, analogies, apply, etc etc would be awesome lyricists. Esoteric would be one of the greatest ever, and I don't think that is the case. Lyrics arent just rhymes. If the subject matter is off, he can't be the GOAT lyricist. I doubt anyone would call a white racist rapper an awesome lyricist. However, due to extreme double standards people praise Ras as the GOAT though, but I will never ever be one of them.
Canibus, Chino XL ???
They're not even in the same league, come up with something better.
Todays Kool G or KRS isn't seeing Ras today, Cube neither, maybe 10-15 years ago..
exactly, plus his lyrics can be really racist, wrong, taken from books to make him look smart, and also overall they arent even all THAT.
Wrong and taken from books ?? ::)
Since when does being educated being a crime in hiphop, they don't all have to be uneducated illiterate dumbfucks. :tosser:
I suggest you & Machiavelli take a listen to Soul on Ice, Rassasination, Van Gogh & a couple unreleased tracks, it doesn't seem to me like you've heard more than a few tracks from him, being young isn't a excuse.
First off, I know his albums. Talking about shit I know nothing about is not my thang. I don't know unrealeased shit because his music is simply not impressing me.
Next, it is a difference if you just spit your openly ignorant opinion, or try to spit facts. An ignorant opinion can be off, but not really wrong as such. He, however, tries to spit facts, right things, not just opinions. That's noble, the bad part is that he often spits facts that aren't facts, but lies.
Next, educated? Good. So, it is also great that Canibus is using dictionaries to write his shit, because that makes him educated? If so, I respect your opinion.
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Canibus, Chino XL ???
They're not even in the same league, come up with something better.
Todays Kool G or KRS isn't seeing Ras today, Cube neither, maybe 10-15 years ago..
exactly, plus his lyrics can be really racist, wrong, taken from books to make him look smart, and also overall they arent even all THAT.
Wrong and taken from books ?? ::)
Since when does being educated being a crime in hiphop, they don't all have to be uneducated illiterate dumbfucks. :tosser:
I suggest you & Machiavelli take a listen to Soul on Ice, Rassasination, Van Gogh & a couple unreleased tracks, it doesn't seem to me like you've heard more than a few tracks from him, being young isn't a excuse.
Why aint they in the same league ???
Because you say so
Ras says Canibus is the best Lyricist out there
So go give ya head a wobble :P
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Yo... only a few cats that CAN MC!
Ras is 1!, I think Rakim, Chino XL, Planet Asia, Canibis, Black Thought r the closest, oh yeah Crooked I, Juice, and Supernatural, and of course, ~Rakaa Iriscience are the only cats that can challenge Ras!
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First off, I know his albums. Talking about shit I know nothing about is not my thang. I don't know unrealeased shit because his music is simply not impressing me.
Next, it is a difference if you just spit your openly ignorant opinion, or try to spit facts. An ignorant opinion can be off, but not really wrong as such. He, however, tries to spit facts, right things, not just opinions. That's noble, the bad part is that he often spits facts that aren't facts, but lies.
Next, educated? Good. So, it is also great that Canibus is using dictionaries to write his shit, because that makes him educated? If so, I respect your opinion.
First, you're 16, and you're German.. usually not known for brilliant English.. Ras Kass is probably too complicated for you..
I don't blame you though, I didn't really feel Ras when I was 16 either..
If Ras doesn't impress you, but Eminem usually does, you ARE NOT LISTENING TO THE LYRICS, you're probably more concerned about the beats.
Van Gogh had good beats. 8)
Reading up from a dictionary doesn't have anything with education to do.
Name a rapper that isn't ignorant and doesn't have strange opinions!! ::)
Why aint they in the same league ???
Because you say so
Ras says Canibus is the best Lyricist out there
So go give ya head a wobble :P
Yeah, I know you're Stanibus and shit, but Bus isn't on the same level..
And Ras usually raps about things that actually means something, he's not reading up from dictionaries.. he's far more versatile.
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i wanna hear a Last Emperor and Ras Kass collab.
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game shits on ras kass
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game shits on ras kass
:nawty: Bull fuckin shit... maybe only in the beats he gets :stupid: :eh:... some people's kids...
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First off, I know his albums. Talking about shit I know nothing about is not my thang. I don't know unrealeased shit because his music is simply not impressing me.
Next, it is a difference if you just spit your openly ignorant opinion, or try to spit facts. An ignorant opinion can be off, but not really wrong as such. He, however, tries to spit facts, right things, not just opinions. That's noble, the bad part is that he often spits facts that aren't facts, but lies.
Next, educated? Good. So, it is also great that Canibus is using dictionaries to write his shit, because that makes him educated? If so, I respect your opinion.
First, you're 16, and you're German.. usually not known for brilliant English.. Ras Kass is probably too complicated for you..
I don't blame you though, I didn't really feel Ras when I was 16 either..
If Ras doesn't impress you, but Eminem usually does, you ARE NOT LISTENING TO THE LYRICS, you're probably more concerned about the beats.
Van Gogh had good beats. 8)
Reading up from a dictionary doesn't have anything with education to do.
Name a rapper that isn't ignorant and doesn't have strange opinions!! ::)
Why aint they in the same league ???
Because you say so
Ras says Canibus is the best Lyricist out there
So go give ya head a wobble :P
Yeah, I know you're Stanibus and shit, but Bus isn't on the same level..
And Ras usually raps about things that actually means something, he's not reading up from dictionaries.. he's far more versatile.
Stanibus WOW your funny
All I said was That Ras said Bis was the best Lyricist.
Fuckin mard arse
And lol U dissin the German guy for not knowing good English
Where the fuck are U from again ;D
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ras best lyricist of all time.........naaaaaaaaa, he up their as a lyricist alone but thats it......but a rapper, he aint even in the top 10........but since this thread just about lyrics........rass a mad lyricist, canibus be crazy at times to.......but neither are the greatest in my opinion.......
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All I said was That Ras said Bis was the best Lyricist.
And lol U dissin the German guy for not knowing good English
Where the fuck are U from again ;D
Obviously Ras is gonna name his favorite, and not ride his own dick. ::)
My English is better than yours, and you're even from England. :D
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Chi and Canibus are on Ras' level... He'll agree with you!
LOL @ 7even. I knew he'd come in here to denounce Ras because of Ras' lyrics towards whites. Go nut on a Game CD, Hanson.
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Who ???
Who can see Ras Kass lyrically, maybe on a good day and Ras on a bad day.. ??
Pharoahe Monch, Rakim maybe.. G Rap in his prime.. ??
Ras = GOAT lyricist ?
dont think so... big pun, big l,Rakim, Gza, Nas
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All I said was That Ras said Bis was the best Lyricist.
And lol U dissin the German guy for not knowing good English
Where the fuck are U from again ;D
My English is better than yours,
and you're even from England. :D
OK ::)
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game shits on ras kass
:nawty: Bull fuckin shit... maybe only in the beats he gets :stupid: :eh:... some people's kids...
i was being sarcastic ::)
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game shits on ras kass
:nawty: Bull fuckin shit... maybe only in the beats he gets :stupid: :eh:... some people's kids...
i was being sarcastic ::)
lol aight in that case its all good homie 8) .... i wouldnt put it past some people on here though
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Who can fuck with Ras Kass ??
Big Delicious, Block D, Cell D-23
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at the moment i don't know, maybe chino xl could battle ras kass, eminem can beat him too, but it's hard to find lyricist nowadays. back in the dayz big L would have top anybody lyricaly in the rap game. many underground NY rappers are very tight, like O.C, freddy foxxx,
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First off, I know his albums. Talking about shit I know nothing about is not my thang. I don't know unrealeased shit because his music is simply not impressing me.
Next, it is a difference if you just spit your openly ignorant opinion, or try to spit facts. An ignorant opinion can be off, but not really wrong as such. He, however, tries to spit facts, right things, not just opinions. That's noble, the bad part is that he often spits facts that aren't facts, but lies.
Next, educated? Good. So, it is also great that Canibus is using dictionaries to write his shit, because that makes him educated? If so, I respect your opinion.
First, you're 16, and you're German.. usually not known for brilliant English.. Ras Kass is probably too complicated for you..
I don't blame you though, I didn't really feel Ras when I was 16 either..
If Ras doesn't impress you, but Eminem usually does, you ARE NOT LISTENING TO THE LYRICS, you're probably more concerned about the beats.
Van Gogh had good beats. 8)
Reading up from a dictionary doesn't have anything with education to do.
Name a rapper that isn't ignorant and doesn't have strange opinions!! ::)
Why aint they in the same league ???
Because you say so
Ras says Canibus is the best Lyricist out there
So go give ya head a wobble :P
Yeah, I know you're Stanibus and shit, but Bus isn't on the same level..
And Ras usually raps about things that actually means something, he's not reading up from dictionaries.. he's far more versatile.
Stanibus WOW your funny
All I said was That Ras said Bis was the best Lyricist.
Fuckin mard arse
And lol U dissin the German guy for not knowing good English
Where the fuck are U from again ;D
U need to learn reading a sig dawg ???
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IMO, no one can the man is straight sick with it
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Ras Kass is probably in the top 10 of all time as far as lyrically and the best lyricist from the Westcoast...
1.Kool G Rap
2.KRS-One
3.Canibus
4.Chino Xl
5.Ras Kass
6.Rakim
7.Ice Cube
8.Nas
9.GZA
10.ah fuck it im gunna say pac
IMO
lol you have 2pac in your list as top lyricist but not biggy, i find that funny
and no one mentions crooked i can take out ras kass or at least he should be in top 10 lyricists along with sly boogy but they both need albums out
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Chace Infinite is a great lyricist - the track ''Do For Self'' is incredible and has a really positive message to it. Plus, he kills all of his cameos on the Strong Arm Steady releases. Unfortunately, his music just isn't as widely recognised.
If I had to compare the two, I'd say that they are both consistent with their music but Ras has the edge in terms of charisma. Not to say that Rassy is particularly charismatic - its probably something that I would say escapes both of these MC's and prevents them from making a bigger splash in the rap scene. Some might argue that Ras' lyrics go over the heads of mainstream rap listeners, but there's no denying that on several cuts (not all) he has simplified his style. Example: compare anything from ''Soul On Ice'' to the likes of 'The Whoop'. Its not necessarily a bad thing, but I think that Ras' newer material is easier to comprehend for the common rap-head than most of his earlier work - so his lyrics no longer prevent him from gaining widestream exposure. That's my outlook anyway.
What Chace severely lacks (and Ras to a lesser extent) is promotion. The present-day Ras Kass of tracks like ''Caution'' and ''Deformed Pretty Boys'' (as opposed to the ''I'm sorry. can you repeat that?'' Ras of ''Nature of the Threat'') could probably make quite an impact on the charts given the right backing from the execs. As for Chace, he would have to ''dumb down'' his wordplay if he wanted radio spins, further media exposure and major record label power in his corner, although some could argue that he has already begun such a process considering the gangster-isms of the verses that he spits on the majority of the Steady material that he is featured on. The mere fact that he is so ''underground'' probably prevents him from grabbing the attention of rap listeners and those in control alike.
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Chi and Canibus are on Ras' level... He'll agree with you!
LOL @ 7even. I knew he'd come in here to denounce Ras because of Ras' lyrics towards whites. Go nut on a Game CD, Hanson.
Hypocrite.
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First off, I know his albums. Talking about shit I know nothing about is not my thang. I don't know unrealeased shit because his music is simply not impressing me.
Next, it is a difference if you just spit your openly ignorant opinion, or try to spit facts. An ignorant opinion can be off, but not really wrong as such. He, however, tries to spit facts, right things, not just opinions. That's noble, the bad part is that he often spits facts that aren't facts, but lies.
Next, educated? Good. So, it is also great that Canibus is using dictionaries to write his shit, because that makes him educated? If so, I respect your opinion.
First, you're 16, and you're German.. usually not known for brilliant English.. Ras Kass is probably too complicated for you..
I don't blame you though, I didn't really feel Ras when I was 16 either..
If Ras doesn't impress you, but Eminem usually does, you ARE NOT LISTENING TO THE LYRICS, you're probably more concerned about the beats.
Van Gogh had good beats. 8)
Reading up from a dictionary doesn't have anything with education to do.
Name a rapper that isn't ignorant and doesn't have strange opinions!! ::)
Why aint they in the same league ???
Because you say so
Ras says Canibus is the best Lyricist out there
So go give ya head a wobble :P
Yeah, I know you're Stanibus and shit, but Bus isn't on the same level..
And Ras usually raps about things that actually means something, he's not reading up from dictionaries.. he's far more versatile.
Youre wrong about pretty much anything in the whole post Jome :D
1. Im 19
2. My English is better than average (board) and amazing considering the fact im German.
3. Ras Kass isnt too complicated at all, what the fuck are you smoking. He's not even complicated at all. I've learnt about dominant/recessive genes in 8th grade. Wow. Complicated, educated shit.
4. Van Gogh doesnt have good beats.
5. The ignorant rappers don't hide their ignorance. Ras does, he claims he's spitting facts, like he is right, when he is so not.
6. Eminem sometimes has really good lyrics.
7. You are a groupie.