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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Javier on May 16, 2005, 11:39:55 PM
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lol so can somebody break this down ?
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I dunno wtf most of that shit means, but i did hear that ps3 is slightly more powerful then 360.
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i give a fuck about numbers/specs.....sony is the best in my books
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from this sony's has the edge in a lot of areas..
i especially like how they've opted for bluetooth controllers...
i saw some PS3 screens earlier.. and all i have to say is :o :o
xbox will be a lot easier to develop for..
btw.. is there any truth in the rumours that BOTH are backwards compatible?
and i know xbox has media centre capabilities, but does the PS3?
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Somebody posted some shit earlier and the article said the PS3 will be twice as powerful as the X-Box. As far as backwards compatibility, I believe the article said both systems would be (with PS3 going all the way back to PS1 games)
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^ yeah that twice as powerful is the TFLOPS figure for the processors
xbox has a lot of fast dual purpose memory for both video and game storage. this is massively flexible as far as development goes.
ps3 has half as much dedicated video memory which is a bit faster.. the other 256 is the same speed at xbox... but again half as much..
u see.. under the microsoft strategy.. you could say use 75% of total memory for video/textures etc.. its up to the developer.. with sony they're forced... and would have to swap textures in/out from the slower memory..
= more code for the developer + more time.. even if it is faster.. unncessary time will be needed in places on PS3.. where M$ designed out that kind of difficulty...
things like this affect overall performance in the end..
IMO sony are taking more risks.. it may end up having the odd amazing game but it will need talent to extract the full potential.. its already more difficult to develop for.. M$ look after the development side really well.. they had a proven environment in visual studio .net (hell thats what i use day in day out..) into which the xbox dev kit plugs in.. i know what i'd rather write code for!
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ps3>>xbox 360
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Somebody posted some shit earlier and the article said the PS3 will be twice as powerful as the X-Box. As far as backwards compatibility, I believe the article said both systems would be (with PS3 going all the way back to PS1 games)
if u think thats tight imagine going back to the beginnings of gaming!! ::) nintendo revolution!! im gonna go the 360 first and then the revolution
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ps3 has half as much dedicated video memory which is a bit faster.. the other 256 is the same speed at xbox... but again half as much..
Both XB360 & PS3 will be backwards compatible.. PS3 will take both PS2 and PS1 games.. (Does anyone still play PS1 games ?? lol)
Don't forget that Sony's XDR Ram is a lot faster than the GDDR RAM, so PS3 have the advantage in ALL power-related areas..
It remains to be seen if Sony can match XBox360's game titles though, seems like Microsoft did their job getting games for the new console.
Some useful info:
PS3 will be 35 times faster than PS2.
XBox 2 will be 15 times faster than Xbox.
Nintendo Revolution will be 2 or 3 times faster than GameCube.
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IMO sony are taking more risks.. it may end up having the odd amazing game but it will need talent to extract the full potential.. its already more difficult to develop for.. M$ look after the development side really well.. they had a proven environment in visual studio .net (hell thats what i use day in day out..) into which the xbox dev kit plugs in.. i know what i'd rather write code for!
Did u see the demo of unreal 3 that those guys made for ps3? it only took em 2 months and see how good it looks...and it runs without any problems with all the effects and everything...it was also real time...people are saying that there shouldnt be problems developing games for ps3...
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all i have to say is go to google, type in "Xbox 360 PS3 comparison" and you'll get a shitload of nerd websites where they wax philosophical about which one is more powerful... Overseer's conclusion is closest to that of the nerds... they say that the processing power for the PS3 is far better, but something about the RAM on the xbox makes it easier to process the same graphics at with lower processing speed
anyways, what i found weird is Sony's PSP can be hooked up to the Xbox 360 just like it was a hooking up to a computer
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there was an article floating around a few days ago with microsoft ppl saying theyre not sure if the xbox360 will be backwards compatible yet, not a 100% guarantee
for me it all comes down to storage either way.. i've got an xbox fitted with a 320gb drive right now, setup as my media centre
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Well 1st round goes to Sony. Their system beats out the microsofts in every catagory. Now there is only 2 other catagories that concern me.
1. Game Selection
2. Their controllers (Sony took on a new design (i dont know what MS new one looks like), and well see how it goes)
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the latest article that i saw said that the Xbox 360 will be compatible with "Xbox's hit games" what people think this means is just like how the PS2 wasn't compatible with every PS1 game... Microsoft will make sure their biggest hits are compatible but won't make sure every game is
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XB360 is rumored to hook up to everything, as they made the point to say at their press conference. They made pics of everything that would hook up and the iPod and PSP were both among those. The thing about Nintendo REvolution being twice as powerful as GCN is a lot better than what people would make it out to be. Remember the Gamecube looked a lot better than PS2 for a long time all the way until God of War dropped. Revolution will selel the least of the three because people are gonna be more attracted to the other two because of the last consoles. Let's hope none of these really let us down this time around.
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PS3: Will come in 2 versions, one that will have a 160GB harddisk, and one that will have a 400GB harddisk and can burn BluRay disks.
XBox: Will come in 2 versions, one with 20GB harddisk, and another one with 40GB.
Seems like Sony wants to beat Microsoft in every possible area.
400GB + BluRay burner.. :o
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why burn blu ray when the format is dead?
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PS3: Will come in 2 versions, one that will have a 160GB harddisk, and one that will have a 400GB harddisk and can burn BluRay disks.
XBox: Will come in 2 versions, one with 20GB harddisk, and another one with 40GB.
Seems like Sony wants to beat Microsoft in every possible area.
400GB + BluRay burner.. :o
how much more will the ps3 cost then, thats what im worried bout
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XBox 360 looks like my choice
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for me it all comes down to storage either way.. i've got an xbox fitted with a 320gb drive right now, setup as my media centre
whereas i've got my data on a PC in my garage and stream the media from there ;)
so its pretty much stays where i download it to
Don't forget that Sony's XDR Ram is a lot faster than the GDDR RAM, so PS3 have the advantage in ALL power-related areas..
It remains to be seen if Sony can match XBox360's game titles though, seems like Microsoft did their job getting games for the new console.
no.. you are over simplifing the specs..
all i have to say is go to google, type in "Xbox 360 PS3 comparison" and you'll get a shitload of nerd websites where they wax philosophical about which one is more powerful... Overseer's conclusion is closest to that of the nerds... they say that the processing power for the PS3 is far better, but something about the RAM on the xbox makes it easier to process the same graphics at with lower processing speed
anyways, what i found weird is Sony's PSP can be hooked up to the Xbox 360 just like it was a hooking up to a computer
PS3 could suffer from texture thrashing.. PS3 _CANNOT_ keep all its textures in the same memory used by the video card, XBOX can...
PS3s secondary 'processing memory' is the same speed as the xbox's as opposed to its GPU memory which is faster..
textures are going to have to be copied between the two.. any decent programmer will tell you that WRITE operations are _very_ costly.
because PS3 has less video memory available any textures etc stored in memory not in the GPU half need be copied which involves a WRITE..
with XBOX360 the data will already been in memory and can be used..
this means with playstation programmers have to be careful about where they store their textures.. with xbox the have a far greater level of control and quicker access to it..
in fact.. the PS3 is more like the old xbox architecture, and xbox have moved on to a more flexible platform.
like i said.. xbox seems more flexible
i'm also sure PS3 is gonna be pricey... sony have gone all out for the 'best' shit.. microsoft have been more restrained
some of the stuff on PS3 seems overkill..
i dont know much about the processor technology used in PS3 to compare properly.. anyone got a link?
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no.. you are over simplifing the specs
No, the only area where XBox will be close, is in the gfx card department..
It's the usual ATI vs. Nvidia battle, and they usually end up very close..
Sony's RAM is better, HDD bigger, CPU faster, resolution is a little better, audio/network the same, Bluetooth 2.0 better than RF..
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The price is a real concern. I really can't be stuffed analyzing specs, u still get shitty games on nextgen consoles. Can't wait though.
Got alot from Overseer's posts, thanks dude.
The problems u have outlined reminds me of the problems ppl mentioned w/ the PS2.
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Hey, I gotta question... who's ready to spend 500 bucks for a pS3? 500 bucks is the CONSERVATIVE, HOPEFULL estimate of what it'll cost.
there ain't a chance in HELL I'm spending that much for a video game system.
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anyways, these specs are the "best of" how much do you want to bet that hardly any of the companies fully use this technology
they haven't even designed a game that pushes the current Xbox, what makes akes you think that they are going to have something taht pushes the PS3?
it's like putting a jet engine in a nissan ultima... it's costly as hell, sure it has the potential....but you're never going to use it
and a blu ray disc burner.... wooo hoooo, the only machine that's gonna use blu ray will be the PS3....
looks like i'll be picking up the PS3 last
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btw.. is there any truth in the rumours that BOTH are backwards compatible?
PS3 is but the xbox developer are still thinkin about it and tryin to figure out if its even possible
and the specs i get almost all of them i think the ps3 is just the shit compared to the BoX i like the wireless controler shit for the ps3 but im a lil sceptical about it other then that shit is crazy
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no.. you are over simplifing the specs
No, the only area where XBox will be close, is in the gfx card department..
It's the usual ATI vs. Nvidia battle, and they usually end up very close..
Sony's RAM is better, HDD bigger, CPU faster, resolution is a little better, audio/network the same, Bluetooth 2.0 better than RF..
Sony's RAM is NOT better.. they have the same speed stuff but half as much..
how is half of the same damn thing BETTER?
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no.. you are over simplifing the specs
No, the only area where XBox will be close, is in the gfx card department..
It's the usual ATI vs. Nvidia battle, and they usually end up very close..
Sony's RAM is better, HDD bigger, CPU faster, resolution is a little better, audio/network the same, Bluetooth 2.0 better than RF..
Sony's RAM is NOT better.. they have the same speed stuff but half as much..
how is half of the same damn thing BETTER?
Jome doesn't understand you're a programmer
like Needles said, PS3 will be the last system im going to pick up..gonna have to wait for it to come down in price
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didn't ya'll see the pics? xbox controllers gonna be wireless to.
I'll be picking up the Xbox first fo sure. anyone got a price on it yet?
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didn't ya'll see the pics? xbox controllers gonna be wireless to.
I'll be picking up the Xbox first fo sure. anyone got a price on it yet?
well it is coming out 6 months before PS3 so i think everyone will be gettin xbox 360 first before getting the PS3
PS3>>>>>XBOX360
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Sony's RAM is NOT better.. they have the same speed stuff but half as much..
how is half of the same damn thing BETTER?
How do they got half as much, it's 2x256 = 512 = same amount as XBox, except that 256 of it is XDR RAM. ??
I'm no RAM expert, but I have yet to see a article that doesn't say that XDR is not faster/better than GDDR.
You say ps3 has half as much dedicated video memory, but what's the remaining 256 for then.. ???
Jome doesn't understand you're a programmer
Programming and hardware is 2 different things, not always connected. 8)
why burn blu ray when the format is dead?
As of right now, BluRay is closer than ever to becoming the next video standard, how can you say it's dead when it haven't hit the mass market yet.. ?
HD-DVD seems to be losing out, Hitachi even agreed to co-operate with Sony, and BluRay got far more support than HD-DVD in the industry..
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Sony's RAM is NOT better.. they have the same speed stuff but half as much..
how is half of the same damn thing BETTER?
How do they got half as much, it's 2x256 = 512 = same amount as XBox, except that 256 of it is XDR RAM. ??
I'm no RAM expert, but I have yet to see a article that doesn't say that XDR is not faster/better than GDDR.
You say ps3 has half as much dedicated video memory, but what's the remaining 256 for then.. ???
the other 256 is system memory..
this means programs and game data structures are kept here while the other (faster) 256 is used for graphics.
PS3 is following the model PCs use for memory management where video cards have seperate memory.
this means all video data first needs to pass from system memory to video memory
i already tried to explain that writes = bad.
with microsofts solution all memory is directly accessible by everthing
tthey made things flexible by having 512 addressable memory
the programmer then decides what he uses that memory for themselves.
i will break it down in three cases so you may understand more.
i added a speed rating for each phase
reads from disk = slower
writes to memory = slow
reads from memory = fast (all reads from xbox memory, reads from PS3 system memory)
reads from memory = faster (reads from PS3 video memory)
first case when a texture needed right _now_ is loaded already in video memory from disk
in both cases..
PS3 > read from vid memory -> GPU (faster)
XBOX > read from dual purpose memory -> GPU (fast)
conclusion: PS3. this is purely down to the slight advantage in speed PS3 has.
_however_ microsoft has much much more space to store things here which other cases will highlight.
for small less complex, less texture rich scenes PS3 can outperform in memory speed..
AND this doesnt take into account the nvidia vs ATI battle beyond that..
if ATI has better texture compression.. it narrows the gap more
second take the case when a texture needed _now_ is loaded from disk in both cases.
this is whats happening when your harddisk/cdrom/dvdrom access slows down a game.
PS3 = read from disk (slower) into system memory (slow), then write into video memory( slow) then read (faster)
Xbox = read from disk (slower) into dual purpose memory (slow), then read (fast) by GPU
notice one write step is removed with xbox?
writes will be slower than the speed difference between the faster memory on the PS3
this won't happen more on either system.. unlike the case 3.
conclusion : Xbox wins.
third take the case when a texture needed _now_ is already loaded from disk in both cases but not in vid memory i.e. for use later 'pre-caching'
this will be something like a texture thats used rarely in a scene
3a) the load stage..
PS3 = read from disk (slower) into system memory (slow)
Xbox = read from disk (slower) into dual purpose memory (slow)
result: no difference between the two.
3b) the use it stage..
PS3 = read from system memory(fast) into vid memory (slow) read by GPU (faster)
XBOX = read from dual memory by GPU (fast)
result: xbox wins. they removed the need for a write here.. this kicks ass!
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there was already an article i posted a few months back saying how blu ray....the way it exists now is not going to be the same when the blu ray people and HD DVD people decide on a format... they are mixing the two formats in a way neither side has chosen yet and i don't think it would be feasible to think that a console that is a few months from going into mass production will be compatible with a format that hasn't even came out yet...
this makes Blu ray disk burner a almost useless added feature
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Thanks for the info Seer.. 8)
However, I think a lot will depend on the old ATI vs. nVidia battle, personally I've been a ATI-fan for a long time, after a lot of problems with nVidia..
ATI says their new dual-GFX chip for PC's will be 2.5 faster than nVidia's fastest dual-chip setup, it's gonna be interesting to see how 360 vs. PS3 turns out, but I bet we'll have to wait a while for a game really pushing the consoles potential..
there was already an article i posted a few months back saying how blu ray....the way it exists now is not going to be the same when the blu ray people and HD DVD people decide on a format... they are mixing the two formats in a way neither side has chosen yet and i don't think it would be feasible to think that a console that is a few months from going into mass production will be compatible with a format that hasn't even came out yet...
this makes Blu ray disk burner a almost useless added feature
Well, the Matsushita (Panasonic) boss recently said that Toshiba must back down, and that BluRay will become the next big standard..
There's already BluRay players available, and the *potential* HD-DVD/BluRay combo players will most likely be compatible with existing players..
Obviously, it wouldn't be a wise choice to spend $2000 on a BluRay player at this time, but I bet they've decided the standards a good while before PS3 comes out, most likely there will be players/burners in stores by then as well, at better prices..
I remember hearing the same when DVD's came out.. "Oh, they will never have a chance against VCR, VCR is too big and powerful, DVD-players are way too expensive, they haven't decided on the +/-/RAM format yet" etc.. ;D
BluRay is backed by Sony, Panasonic, Philips, Hitachi, JVC, LG, Mitsubishi, Pioneer, Samsung, Sharp, Zenith, Hewlett Packard, Apple, EA Games/Arts, while HD-DVD is only backed by Toshiba, NEC, Sharp, Sanyo, and some other minor companies, I'd be very surprised if BluRay lose out to HD-DVD..
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like i said....how can sony develop a console compatible with encryption that hasn't even been finalized yet.
According to the Nikkei Journal, Sony and Toshiba are finalizing plans to develop a unified disc format. The newspaper reported today that the two companies have agreed to combine Sony's 0.1mm protective layer and Toshiba's interface software. The reported agreement could be revealed as early as next week, says the paper
the Journal offered up some specifics on the alleged new format agreement. Chief among them is the supposed decision to adopt the Sony Blu-ray's 0.1mm protective layer.
Normal DVDs have a 0.6mm protective layer of plastic spread across their data-bearing surfaces, but Sony's Blu-ray disc format sacrifices durability in favor of more storage space. Use of this 0.1mm coating would require disc manufacturers to purchase new equipment, whereas Toshiba's 0.6mm coated HD-DVD discs can be laminated and polished with existing equipment.
The Nikkei Journal also alleges that Toshiba has agreed to create the software and copy-protection schemes to be used in the compromise disc format. If true, this means that Toshiba would author the code that tells disc drives how to read and write the data encoded on the discs.
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Just my .02, logical common sense (which I think I have a lot of).
If you step back, there's a couple of interesting things.
First: Like Kane said, the whole thing is a big cluster fuck on the power issues. They have yet to use the full potential of the X-box, only 2 or 3 games even game close (halo, etc). They never used the full potential of the Gamecube either, and the PS2 was a total design flaw, they had too much of this and not enough of that, you ended up with the PS2 being more powerful in areas than the Gamecube but the Gamecube consistantly had better looking games becasue it was better designed with better-written software. The X-box had better technology in effect on certain games than the Gamecube, but not by much. Pushed, the Gamecube probably could have performed better than the best Xbox game, although Pushed the Xbox would have blown the Gamecube out of the water... my point is that neither system was pushed, although the Ps2 reached the limits of it's capabilities along time ago. Poor design (although they of course did fine with it and sold all they wanted).
So PS3 makes up for this by overcompensating, in an attempt to wow people. Ultimately, all the power is not needed by either machine. I know I'm a Nintendo fanboy but again I have to agree with their decision to only triple the power (think about how ludacrious that statement is, *only triple the power) of their system, and reach a price-conscious compromise with the consumer! Again, the games and the software is where the 'fun' actually comes in, not the overdriven power level of the system (i.e. the original x-box).
Also, no 'highest power' system has ever won any console war and you can take that to the bank. Every generation, and there have been about 5 by now, the mid power system wins out (except for the handheld race, where the weakest system, the gameboy, has always won).
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About the blue disc shit. Sony is using their console to try and PUSH that technology, and they'll probably succeed. They're not trying to 'guess' future standards, they're trying to MAKE the future standard, by using ps2's dominance of the marketplace. Ulimately, it may establish it as the next digital format, but I don't see that as too big of a hindrance to X-box, they could always drop 'blue disc' playback out of their list of features and just make it a usb add on to future systems, since no doubt Sony won't let them put a player in their system in the future.
I"m still amazed and don't really believe that the market will hold these prices. I think going over 300 on the consoles is suicidal. Look at the history of the Neo Geo, that's the only console to ever do it, and they never had any success. People are not going to pay 500 bucks for a system, and Sony cannot come below that price with their current hardware promises. I have'nt heard price estimates on the 360 yet, if they can keep it at 300, they'll own the next generation (barring Nintendo doesn't pull something overwhelming out, which I don't believe they will). Sony at 500 bucks is insane.
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nice try to try and downplay Toshiba's side but Toshiba is backed by two movie Giants, WB and Universal, and when it comes down to what the next form of media it will be, the movie makers pretty much have the final word over electronics and video game companies
oh and add microsoft to the list of HD DVD supporters
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Warner Bros. Studios and Microsoft Collaborate to Release HD DVD Titles Using Windows Media Video 9 (VC-1)
HD DVD titles will be available in the fourth quarter of 2005
LAS VEGAS -- April 17, 2005 -- Today at the National Association of Broadcasters convention, NAB2005, Warner Bros. Studios and Microsoft Corp. announced their plans to collaborate on the release of a broad range of next-generation HD DVD discs using Windows Media® Video 9, Microsoft's implementation of VC-1, the proposed Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers (SMPTE) standard approved by the DVD Forum for HD DVD. Warner Home Video currently plans to release titles in the fourth quarter of 2005. HD DVD represents the first major push to deliver high-definition content to consumers on optical media in the U.S.
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Also, no 'highest power' system has ever won any console war and you can take that to the bank. Every generation, and there have been about 5 by now, the mid power system wins out (except for the handheld race, where the weakest system, the gameboy, has always won).
its true.. i did think aboutr consoles like 3d0, jaguar and dreamcast.. all powerful failures.
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Also, no 'highest power' system has ever won any console war and you can take that to the bank. Every generation, and there have been about 5 by now, the mid power system wins out (except for the handheld race, where the weakest system, the gameboy, has always won).
its true.. i did think aboutr consoles like 3d0, jaguar and dreamcast.. all powerful failures.
dreamcast was a weak 128...it just launched the first...it's main competition wasn't the 64 or ps1
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oh and add microsoft to the list of HD DVD supporters
NO, Microsoft supports BOTH, to be on the safe side..
Toshiba's biggest supporters are WB and Universal, but don't forget Sony's position in the movie apartment.
And EA Games is looking to become the next Microsoft in game terms, their support means a lot.
The BluRay standard is set in stone, but the HD/BluRay combo might be a reality, but best believe they will add backwards compability.
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the only reason to get X-Box is Halo. Playstation is and always has been the overall best in my mind.
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oh and add microsoft to the list of HD DVD supporters
NO, Microsoft supports BOTH, to be on the safe side..
Toshiba's biggest supporters are WB and Universal, but don't forget Sony's position in the movie apartment.
And EA Games is looking to become the next Microsoft in game terms, their support means a lot.
The BluRay standard is set in stone, but the HD/BluRay combo might be a reality, but best believe they will add backwards compability.
microsoft doesn't support both. blu ray uses microsoft encoding technology. there was a report that specified that Longhorn will be compatible with Toshiba and NEC's HD DVD it didn't say anything about Blu Ray even though Blu ray has been out or month in japan
Universal and WB are the two largest movie production companies in hollywood, Micrsoft is the biggest software company...these companies don't want Toshiba to back down to Sony
HD DVD has been improved to fit 50 Gb on a single disc, they are more durable than blu ray, and the industry will have a easier time making HD DVD's than Blu Rays....
so far HD DVD has the advantage
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Microsoft's Japanese Division reported that its upcoming operating system, code-named Longhorn, will support HD DVD format. HD DVD is an enhanced version of the standard DVD technology.
According to online reports, Microsoft is pushing the next-generation blue-laser DVD technology like NEC and Toshiba. Blue-light technology can read and write data much faster densities, which is needed for high-definition content.
Microsoft said it does not know if it will support Blu-Ray technology from Sony and Philips in Longhorn.
Toshiba's Senior Vice President Yoshihide Fujii plans to release the first HD DVD compatible players in 2005 while Panasonic is expected to release their Blu-Ray based products as early as this week.
Few Japanese companies said they will have HD DVD content based DVDs by next year to support the players.
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the only reason to get X-Box is Halo. Playstation is and always has been the overall best in my mind.
so what must have games does only Play station get that Xbox doesn't?
can't say GTA...
the only ones i can think of are god of war
Ninja Gaiden, Halo, Halo 2, Morrowind, KOTOR 1 and 2, Jade Empire > any PS only game
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Also, no 'highest power' system has ever won any console war and you can take that to the bank. Every generation, and there have been about 5 by now, the mid power system wins out (except for the handheld race, where the weakest system, the gameboy, has always won).
its true.. i did think aboutr consoles like 3d0, jaguar and dreamcast.. all powerful failures.
SNES was more powerful than the Genesis and it won that war. It was close for a while but Super won in the end because the Genesis couldn't handle games like the Super could.
Anyway, why is there even a discussion about what the better system will be. The last time round PS2 had worse graphics than X BOX and even Game Cube in some regards but it blew them both the fuck out of the water. Add the XBox and GC sales together and PS2 still nearly triples them. Sony has so many exclusive rights to so many big franchises. It has the games. It always has. Now it has the edge in the power too. I watch the videos for Kill Zone and it completely destroys anything I saw from X Box or Revolution at E3. My prediction; Sony will easily win the next round and maybe easily win the won after, by that time Nintendo will bow out will Microsoft gets closer and closer each time. XBox may beat out Sony in the distant future but not anytime soon, and Nintendo only has so many strikes left.
I haven't bought a system since the DC but I may buy the PS3 after watching the E3 presentation. To pay for it I may just do what my cousin did for PS2; pre-order 2 then sell one on Ebay for more than double the price after the first shipments sell out. This only works if the first shipments are low, which they usually are. My cousin sold his ps2 for over a grand, tripling what he paid for the first PS2. So he basically got a free PS2 and 700 bucks to spare.
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microsoft doesn't support both.
HD DVD has been improved to fit 50 Gb on a single disc, they are more durable than blu ray, and the industry will have a easier time making HD DVD's than Blu Rays....
Microsoft said it does not know if it will support Blu-Ray technology from Sony and Philips in Longhorn.
Must be an old or uninformed article, Microsoft support both, Longhorn will be compatible with BluRay.
TDK announced that they have made a 100GB BluRay (http://www.hardware.no/art.php?artikkelid=16131) disc recently.. ante up. :wavey:
so what must have games does only Play station get that Xbox doesn't?
can't say GTA...
the only ones i can think of are god of war
Ninja Gaiden, Halo, Halo 2, Morrowind, KOTOR 1 and 2, Jade Empire > any PS only game
Gran Turismo, uhh ??
If Sony can get a similar deal with Rockstar to the one they had, GTA will bring a big audience..
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Stupid Question:
What is the big difference in the Blu-Ray and the HD-DVD?
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Also, no 'highest power' system has ever won any console war and you can take that to the bank. Every generation, and there have been about 5 by now, the mid power system wins out (except for the handheld race, where the weakest system, the gameboy, has always won).
its true.. i did think aboutr consoles like 3d0, jaguar and dreamcast.. all powerful failures.
SNES was more powerful than the Genesis and it won that war. It was close for a while but Super won in the end because the Genesis couldn't handle games like the Super could.
The SNES didn't run up directly against the genesis. The genesis was a step above the original NES, and was out long before the SNES. The SNES's competition was the superior Sega CD, and the Sega 32x or whatever the hell it's called, both of which failed.
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microsoft doesn't support both.
HD DVD has been improved to fit 50 Gb on a single disc, they are more durable than blu ray, and the industry will have a easier time making HD DVD's than Blu Rays....
Microsoft said it does not know if it will support Blu-Ray technology from Sony and Philips in Longhorn.
Must be an old or uninformed article, Microsoft support both, Longhorn will be compatible with BluRay.
TDK announced that they have made a 100GB BluRay (http://www.hardware.no/art.php?artikkelid=16131) disc recently.. ante up. :wavey:
so what must have games does only Play station get that Xbox doesn't?
can't say GTA...
the only ones i can think of are god of war
Ninja Gaiden, Halo, Halo 2, Morrowind, KOTOR 1 and 2, Jade Empire > any PS only game
Gran Turismo, uhh ??
If Sony can get a similar deal with Rockstar to the one they had, GTA will bring a big audience..
go ahead and type in "longhorn Blu Ray" into google, you won't find one article saying that microsoft supports blu ray... i don't know why you think i'm lying about this when i've posted up tons of article saying otherwise, but i guess you're always right jome
let them make a Terabyte disc, their supporters still mean nothing next to the HD DVD supporters
fact is, PS3 will come out, sony and toshiba will make a deal and combine their formats.... future disc players will be compatibile with the ps3's blu discs but it's not gonna work the other way around....that's the bottom line and that's common sense
and Grand Turismo audience never gets bigger, it never draws new people because it's pretty much the same thing over and over again
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Also, no 'highest power' system has ever won any console war and you can take that to the bank. Every generation, and there have been about 5 by now, the mid power system wins out (except for the handheld race, where the weakest system, the gameboy, has always won).
its true.. i did think aboutr consoles like 3d0, jaguar and dreamcast.. all powerful failures.
SNES was more powerful than the Genesis and it won that war. It was close for a while but Super won in the end because the Genesis couldn't handle games like the Super could.
The SNES didn't run up directly against the genesis. The genesis was a step above the original NES, and was out long before the SNES. The SNES's competition was the superior Sega CD, and the Sega 32x or whatever the hell it's called, both of which failed.
The 16-Bit Wars were maybe the most infamous ever in video games. Take a trip down memory lane my friend . Remember the blast processing commercials? It was a very big War. Just because the Genesis came out earlier doesn't mean anything. PSX came out before N64 and they had a war. Sega CD and 32X weren't even full systems. They were add ons for the Genesis. The SNES and Genesis were definately in competition. Why else would 3rd party companies like EA make the exact same games for both?
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i wud thin that the ps3 wud be better but xboxs are ok