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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: R-Tistic on May 30, 2005, 12:25:15 AM
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Well....just to let you know, I realize that most of us are never as happy with music that comes out now compared to the music most of us liked back in the 90s. It's obvious from all the posts, and there are some people who don't like much of anything new. However...I donno if y'all realize it or not, but if you don't, I gotta let it be known. We are all around the same age, and at least grew up on the same era of rap. However, something I realize is that almost everybody who grew up on the eras before ours felt the same way about our era as we do about the era goin on now, but probably not as bad. Thing is, especially with east coast people who grew up on the NY rap in the 80s, they never liked much west coast rap, mainly because it was so much different and the message was so much more negative. And in the 90s, many of them who were heavily into rap ended up feelin just like Common on "I used to love her" and most of them saw 88-89 the same way we see 92-93 and 96. Why do you think Common made the song, and most people around his age loved it to death, but people who were into the west coast era thought it was insult?
So therefore...I feel that this is something that will happen forever, because rap will continue to change, and even tho some of us may really believe it sucks, it's definitely younger people than us who think completely different. Even people who are our age, but are into the whole south movement, will probably be like "man, rap ain't anything like it used to be, especially down here in the south" in 5-8 years, just as we are to the west now. And sad as you may think it is, there is gonna be a era of people in 8-10 years who will be mad that rappers at the time aren't doin anything original and aren't bringin heat like Nelly, 50, Eminem, or whoever they may love most right now.
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yup i agree with this. it's like our parents too. they think rap is garbage, but their parents thought their music was garbage too. so it's always gonna be like this.
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YEAH! OKAY! WHAT!
if it weren't for GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG-UNIT I would have no reason to live.
BTW: I'm camping out at Tower Records this Thursday until the Lil Jon/Nelly collabo album drops. If anyone wants to join me I'll be wearing the pink shirt with a GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG-Unit beanie and have lots of rubberbands around my wrists. And I will be doing the running man the entire time I'm in line.
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i totally agree
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well i do agree to a certain extent. and even tho i wasn´t even listening to hip hop in 88 i still think the music that came out around that time was a lot better then he shit that drops today.
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Good post and ill say 100% correct. Ive been listening to rap for like 6 years and never liked the '2000 music. Ive been digging for 90's rap for so long I think there hasnt been enough made. For some reasons i have never been able to adapt to 80's rap just because of how it sound. But I cant deny there was a bunch of classics. But music is seriously getting worse and worse when people consider 5-0 and eminem the greatest there is something wrong. Just look at all the good music that have been made 6-13 years.
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I'm w/ you on this one.
I didn't grow up on Run DMC, Kool Moe Dee etc, etc, bcoz I was into different music in the 80s (Gettem Michael Jackson, lol). I feel early/mid 90s rap/rnb the most out of any time period.
Rap/hiphop is all over the radio nowadays, so yer gonna have more kids into the music than ever before, and because all you hear on the radio is hip pop, thas what they're gonna be into.
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hmmm, i dont agree
from my point of view its not about good music anymore, its about what the industry wants and pushes
if everyone acts like a certain artist is hot - even though hes not - then ppl nowadays follow the hype
djs follow the hype and play their shit - and then the end consumer listens to it again and again until he really belives that it's hot
thats what 50 does/did: Pimp the system - and he's good in it
i didnt grew up with the music i love, i didnt hear/watch it in the TV...
i started loving rap music with "Ice T - VI: Return Of the Real", and from there i was digging my way into west coast music, i bought a lotta albums and figured out what i like and what is really quality music
i knew a few facts about tupac, but never loved his music when he was still alive! i think i got "All eyes on me" in 98 or so... and when i've listened to it i was like "that's it - that man is a genius"...
and all the new albums i buy are some rare or at least very non-mainstrem (even though back in the day) music....
so its not like the music i love was played all over the radio, like 50 etc. is nowadays...
so to me this comparsion doesnt work - i just followed my heart with what i liked, no matter what the others said/thought (my environment)
if i'd be into rock i would've probably checked everything from the 80s or so...
just b/c i feel its quality music - compared to garbage nowadays
i dont listen to rap exclusively - there's a lotta shit (even thing i wouldnt listen to) that i consider "quality music" - i can see a concept behind, a message and good music
but all i see behind 50 cent (for example) nowadays is: "how can i make money, what do i have to do that ppl buy my shit, and i dont care if i have to woof on that track - if thats what could be a new trend"
example: ive heard 50 interviews where he stated that he could've done "lean back" waaaaay better than fat joe's terror squad - he could've made a bigger hit out of it
so he's kinda jealous about fat joe gotten the chance to use that beat and do what he did.
so what does he do next? he's telling storch: "make me a beat that sounds exactly like lean back - i want that same vibe etc"
voila: candy shop
and 50 isnt doing anything better on that beat than Terror Squad on lean back - he just promotes it better, and he's on top of the industry anyway
so shit gets played and lil kids including girls from 10-25 all over the world love it
and so hes making money....
lets compare it to... dj quik? the beatles? michael jackson? marvin gaye? uhmmm, maybe even whitney houston - what can we say about the QUALITY of that track
is it even original? or is it just an idea that has been recylced?
i dont have to continue, do i?
nah, i dont agree... i like the beatles and marvin gaye, even michael jackson's old shit
and thats the kind of shit my parents used to listen to!
PS: to me it's not only about rap... same foul things can be found everywhere... the backstreet boys and take that for example made quality music - and it was original - what about the garbage so called boy groups put out nowadays??? it's just about the dollars... and not the music - you got 10-20 boy groups? all same shit - different toilette though =) different faces... so that every girl, 10 years old, can pick their fav. one..... and the music? come one! some remakes that are way worse then the original - bravo!
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i strongly disagree.....u really cant compare rap from early 90s to now
sorry i just dont see your point of view
name 5 albums that came out post 1997 that u can call hip hop classics???....either coasts!!
peace
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I had a long reply ready, and then my computer crashed out ::)
Let me put it this way. I disagree. I didn't exactly grow up on most the rap music I listen to now. I love rap from the 80s, but I discovered it many years later.
Thing is, we're all pretty much biased. If you sit down and listen to the mainstream radio all day, with 50 Cent and Lil Jon playing all day, I'm sure you will start liking the music some time. It's just that we're not into it, we think it's all trash because we're used to a whole different style of rap music. Maybe the new rap music IS trash, but if you listen to it enough you once will start to like it.
Is it getting worse? I don't know... I'm still waiting for the crunk-hype to calm down. I never got into that and I never will. I do have to say rap is kinda lacking content these days. There's only a few rappers who are really trying to break that.
i strongly disagree.....u really cant compare rap from early 90s to now
sorry i just dont see your point of view
name 5 albums that came out post 1997 that u can call hip hop classics???....either coasts!!
Dr. Dre - 2001: groundbreaking when it comes to production.
Dead Prez - Lets get free: groundbreaking revolutionary theories, some real consciousness there although it may not have been a great influence on the state of rap.
Kanye West - College dropout: No guns, no sex, no violence... Kanye kinda invented a new style of rapping.
Common - Be: everyone calls it a classic, I haven't heard it yet so I really don't know but I'll believe the hype is real
Honorable mentions...
Nas - Gods son
Nas - Stillmatic
Xzibit - 40 dayz 40 nights
Xzibit - Restless
Big Pun - Capital punishment
Wu-Tang Clan - Wu-Tang forever
I probably forgot some other albums that should be listed, too. But as for the real classics... Four, and that's it :-X People will even disagree with me on some of those.
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I see your point, on how different people depending on when they got into rap, will think "yeah, shit just aint the same"
but as the guys above me said, if you compare the artists and their music from many years ago , to today, there is a big difference in quality...and of course.....how many classics do we get nowadays.
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but when the classics were being released hip hop wasnt so widespread so there were so many more avenues to explore so it made it easier for an artist to be innovative
nowdays its getting harder and harder to be unique in the rap game
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but when the classics were being released hip hop wasnt so widespread so there were so many more avenues to explore so it made it easier for an artist to be innovative
nowdays its getting harder and harder to be unique in the rap game
The least a rapper could try doing to be original, is quit jumping the bandwagon when it comes to sex and violence.
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i think one question should prolly settle this....
DO YOU THINK 5 YRS FROM NOW YOURE GONNA SAY TO YOURSELF, DAMN THE DOCUMENTARY WAS HOT, WHY DONT THEY MAKE THAT KINDA SHIT ANYMORE!!
i dont
peace
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hmmm, i dont agree
from my point of view its not about good music anymore, its about what the industry wants and pushes
if everyone acts like a certain artist is hot - even though hes not - then ppl nowadays follow the hype
djs follow the hype and play their shit - and then the end consumer listens to it again and again until he really belives that it's hot
thats what 50 does/did: Pimp the system - and he's good in it
i didnt grew up with the music i love, i didnt hear/watch it in the TV...
i started loving rap music with "Ice T - VI: Return Of the Real", and from there i was digging my way into west coast music, i bought a lotta albums and figured out what i like and what is really quality music
i knew a few facts about tupac, but never loved his music when he was still alive! i think i got "All eyes on me" in 98 or so... and when i've listened to it i was like "that's it - that man is a genius"...
and all the new albums i buy are some rare or at least very non-mainstrem (even though back in the day) music....
so its not like the music i love was played all over the radio, like 50 etc. is nowadays...
so to me this comparsion doesnt work - i just followed my heart with what i liked, no matter what the others said/thought (my environment)
if i'd be into rock i would've probably checked everything from the 80s or so...
just b/c i feel its quality music - compared to garbage nowadays
i dont listen to rap exclusively - there's a lotta shit (even thing i wouldnt listen to) that i consider "quality music" - i can see a concept behind, a message and good music
but all i see behind 50 cent (for example) nowadays is: "how can i make money, what do i have to do that ppl buy my shit, and i dont care if i have to woof on that track - if thats what could be a new trend"
example: ive heard 50 interviews where he stated that he could've done "lean back" waaaaay better than fat joe's terror squad - he could've made a bigger hit out of it
so he's kinda jealous about fat joe gotten the chance to use that beat and do what he did.
so what does he do next? he's telling storch: "make me a beat that sounds exactly like lean back - i want that same vibe etc"
voila: candy shop
and 50 isnt doing anything better on that beat than Terror Squad on lean back - he just promotes it better, and he's on top of the industry anyway
so shit gets played and lil kids including girls from 10-25 all over the world love it
and so hes making money....
lets compare it to... dj quik? the beatles? michael jackson? marvin gaye? uhmmm, maybe even whitney houston - what can we say about the QUALITY of that track
is it even original? or is it just an idea that has been recylced?
i dont have to continue, do i?
nah, i dont agree... i like the beatles and marvin gaye, even michael jackson's old shit
and thats the kind of shit my parents used to listen to!
PS: to me it's not only about rap... same foul things can be found everywhere... the backstreet boys and take that for example made quality music - and it was original - what about the garbage so called boy groups put out nowadays??? it's just about the dollars... and not the music - you got 10-20 boy groups? all same shit - different toilette though =) different faces... so that every girl, 10 years old, can pick their fav. one..... and the music? come one! some remakes that are way worse then the original - bravo!
I see what you mean, and a lot of it makes sense and I agree with a lot of it. But from how I see it, quality is all subjective, and our biases will always make us believe certain music is quality over other music. Some people down south and who are into rap right now will not appreciate what many of us consider to be "quality" because it isn't what makes them move. But yeah, just as people speak about parents and what they like, it has to be all subjective and dependent on what you are raised on. Personally, it's hard for me and most of my friends who are my age to get into some of the rap from the 80s, even though people will repeat over and over how great, influential, and classic a lot of the albums are (Public Enemy, Rakim, KRS) and people who are older than me will argue with great points that these albums were much higher quality than Doggystyle and Chronic.
Also, it seems like you are different because you weren't really raised by radio like most of us. I was DEFINITELY raised by radio, when I started listenin back in 93, it seems like most of what they were playin on radio is what molded me to like what I like today. But you mention that it's about what record companies want to promote and what people are force fed to believe what's hot...you tellin me it wasn't the same in the 90s with many artists??? Look at the Coolios, Vanilla Ice, Nice n Smooth, and a hundred other artists in the 90s who had a few hits but most older people saw them as bein products of hype. Some of them had talent, some of the songs were actually hot, but we can barely tolerate listenin to these songs now. This is how the hyped up songs that are promoted the most right now will end up soundin in 10 years.
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i strongly disagree.....u really cant compare rap from early 90s to now
sorry i just dont see your point of view
name 5 albums that came out post 1997 that u can call hip hop classics???....either coasts!!
peace
The word classic is ALLLLLL subjective, and that is somethin that nobody will ever agree on. And I bet you anything, it's people, especially in the south, who will spit 10 classics to you easily, and you might not agree with them at all. These are the albums since 1997 that I have heard many people around the nation consider to be classics...not sayin that I agree with them at all, but this is what I hear...
Blueprint
TI - Urban Legend
Nas - Stillmatic
Common - Be
Nas - Street's disciple
Kanye West - College Dropout
Dre 2001
Outkast - The love below/speakerboxx
DMX - It's dark and hell is hot
DJ Quik - Rhythmalism
Eminem - Marshall Mathers LP
Scarface - The fix
50 Cent - Get rich or die tryin
Game - The Documentary
So these are albums that many people will say are classic...I agree with some, disagree strong with some, and some I can see why they feel that way even though I don't. Everybody, especially rap fans, tend to feel as if their opinion is most important, and that whatever they feel is right is the only right, and that if people don't agree with them, they are idiots, which is why they spend hours on sites like this arguin to make people believe em.
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i think one question should prolly settle this....
DO YOU THINK 5 YRS FROM NOW YOURE GONNA SAY TO YOURSELF, DAMN THE DOCUMENTARY WAS HOT, WHY DONT THEY MAKE THAT KINDA SHIT ANYMORE!!
i dont
peace
Exactly!!! Ahahahahahahahahaha
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YEAH! OKAY! WHAT!
if it weren't for GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG-UNIT I would have no reason to live.
BTW: I'm camping out at Tower Records this Thursday until the Lil Jon/Nelly collabo album drops. If anyone wants to join me I'll be wearing the pink shirt with a GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG-Unit beanie and have lots of rubberbands around my wrists. And I will be doing the running man the entire time I'm in line.
Not shoppin' at VIP no more? I thought you were trying to see your Favorite Gangsta Rappers at Snoops favorite Record store!
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The truth of the matter is that rap was better from 88-96 than it has been since. In that time period, you had loads of people coming out with different styles, and through programs like Yo MTV Raps, and that hiphop show on BET, they were getting play on tv just because they were dope, not because they had some marketing scheme behind them. Therefore, we were subjected to a greater range of dope acts in that period, and people weren't afraid to experiment because they knew it was still possible to get radio/tv play of their singles. Nowadays money rules the world, and therefore in order to get onto radio/tv in the first place, most rap/hiphop artists need to be on a major, and then secondly have a song which is considered to have a broad enough appeal to be played. It has become corporate, and therefore everyone trys to follow the same threads and this is the surefire way of getting noticed. Its not to say that there aren't innovative hiphop artists/groups, its just that the ones that are don't get much radio/tv play. If you searched for it hard enough you could probably find a lot of dope material, but it doesn't get any radio/tv play so you have to actively go and find new artists to listen to, rather than them being handed to you on a plate. There certainly isn't as much quality music as there was between 88-96 cause too many people trying to fit in with the latest trends, but there is still enough for me to be satisfied with hiphop at the moment.
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Not shoppin' at VIP no more? I thought you were trying to see your Favorite Gangsta Rappers at Snoops favorite Record store!
You think any kids at my highschool go to VIP? Shit I wouldn't be caught dead there, imagine the rumors that could spread around school. Tower Records is whats CRACKIN! Not only do they have all the top 10 cd's discounted down from $19.99 to $19.95, but they also have the coolest GGGGGGGGGGG-UNIT posters. and I hear rumors at school that Nelly is supposed to make a special guest autograph appearance soon :o :o :o :o
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Do you guys think Busy Bee or Melle Mel or Grandmaster Caz were happy with groups like N.W.A. or an artist like Jay-Z? Probably not. Hip Hop to them was about having fun and respecting the art form. So to them, anything after 88 was probably wack. Just like how most people, nowadays, think anything after 96 is wack. Most of us grew up in the 88-96 era, so thats OUR Golden Era. To old School heads, Early to late 80s was THEIR Golden Era.
Just sit for a minute and think about that. As wack as we think Hip Hop is today, Hip Hop of our years was just as wack to the Older heads then.
You think any kids at my highschool go to VIP? Shit I wouldn't be caught dead there, imagine the rumors that could spread around school. Tower Records is whats CRACKIN! Not only do they have all the top 10 cd's discounted down from $19.99 to $19.95, but they also have the coolest GGGGGGGGGGG-UNIT posters. and I hear rumors at school that Nelly is supposed to make a special guest autograph appearance soon :o :o :o :o
You must be the most popular 27 year old in your High School! Bangin' all the 15 year old chicks! Good job!
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You goddamn right.
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Good Job!
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You are a great mentor.
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You're not wearing Dickies like me, you're wearing G-Unit Jeans and Sneakers. Like I said, Ralph Malph, you can't be as cool as me.
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Rap/HipHop music as a whole was not commercial back then and the artists were free to do and express what they wanted more or less. Nowadays Rap is the best selling genre of music and image is more important than the music. Its all about the money. Once that money starts rollling in, I wouldnt expect most people to do things to make less of it, only more. Over the last couple years Ive gained a lot of respect for artists like Kanye, Common, John Legend, De la Soul ect. who created a sound on their own and stay true to what they do for the most part. I must say, even tho I bump alot of "mainstream" music, the formula of Clubs + Bottles + Bitches + Money & Cars is getting so tired and I cant even relate to 90% of the rap music coming out now.
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I must say, even tho I bump alot of "mainstream" music, the formula of Clubs + Bottles + Bitches + Money & Cars is getting so tired and I cant even relate to 90% of the rap music coming out now.
You mean to tell me, you don't relate to Clubs and Bitches at 20+? But, yet, you related to Gang Bangin' and Sellin' drugs when you were about 10? I highly doubt that.
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Do you guys think Busy Bee or Melle Mel or Grandmaster Caz were happy with groups like N.W.A. or an artist like Jay-Z? Probably not. Hip Hop to them was about having fun and respecting the art form. So to them, anything after 88 was probably wack. Just like how most people, nowadays, think anything after 96 is wack. Most of us grew up in the 88-96 era, so thats OUR Golden Era. To old School heads, Early to late 80s was THEIR Golden Era.
Just sit for a minute and think about that. As wack as we think Hip Hop is today, Hip Hop of our years was just as wack to the Older heads then.
Basically the truth and point of the thread.
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I go to clubs, and have a girlfriend....But I dont relate to "Getting Crunk" doing "A Town Stomps" and Pouringout Hennessy....Ill leave that up to you SGV....
You really need to get a life man.
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I go to clubs, and have a girlfriend....But I dont relate to "Getting Crunk" doing "A Town Stomps" and Pouringout Hennessy....Ill leave that up to you SGV....
You really need to get a life man.
LOL. So you don't relate to getting Crunk, but you relate to keepin' it Gangsta?
I got a life, it's much more exciting than yours.
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I go to clubs, and have a girlfriend....But I dont relate to "Getting Crunk" doing "A Town Stomps" and Pouringout Hennessy....Ill leave that up to you SGV....
You really need to get a life man.
LOL. So you don't relate to getting Crunk, but you relate to keepin' it Gangsta?
I got a life, it's much more exciting than yours.
Thats great...Are you happy now? One of the most exciting parts of your life must be ruining threads and arguing with people youve never met before.....On the internet. On a message board.
Grow up, ur a fuckin clown man.
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Thats great...Are you happy now? One of the most exciting parts of your life must be ruining threads and arguing with people youve never met before.....On the internet. On a message board.
Grow up, ur a fuckin clown man.
See whats funny is that you're upset. I made a simple point and you got hurt. LOL. Dudes is touchy now man. Why can't you just answer a simple question? Because you'll look like a clown when you answer it, thats why.
You do NOT relate to Snoop(of old) outside of Smoking weed. It's the truth. And it's obvious, truth hurts.
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Thats great...Are you happy now? One of the most exciting parts of your life must be ruining threads and arguing with people youve never met before.....On the internet. On a message board.
Grow up, ur a fuckin clown man.
See whats funny is that you're upset. I made a simple point and you got hurt. LOL. Dudes is touchy now man. Why can't you just answer a simple question? Because you'll look like a clown when you answer it, thats why.
You do NOT relate to Snoop(of old) outside of Smoking weed. It's the truth. And it's obvious, truth hurts.
First off, Snoop was never mentioned in my post...I never mentioned how I related to being a gangster either....Music like Nas "Illmatic" had a message in a lot of the songs, I liked The Chronic and Doggystyle because it sounded good, and they were saying stuff I never heard before. It was funny hearing DJ EZ dick talk about the biggest balls of them all when I was 9 or 10 years old, it had me laughing my ass off. I enjoyed albums like "The Score" by the Fugees and songs like "Regulate" were the shit. Nobody makes music like that anymore. Thats all Im trying to say...Back then, music was original and fresh and made me want to listen to it.
So if it makes you feel better, you can keep riding around in your Benz with your bitches (who are nasty from what I saw in the pics you posted) you can also keep getting crunk and getting low in your favorite club with your favorite cigar in your mouth looking like Suge and keep doing your A Town Stomp....Im not hating on your dawg, do your thing....If thats what you enjoy. Go Nuts!
I think you shoulda been on Chappelle season one in that episode for the "Hater of the Year".......haha HATE HATE HATE thats all you do man....You should stop worrying about other people so much and chill....I respect your opinion, along with everyone else on this board...So why dont you respect mine.
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LOL @ All that.
You stated: I must say, even tho I bump alot of "mainstream" music, the formula of Clubs + Bottles + Bitches + Money & Cars is getting so tired and I cant even relate to 90% of the rap music coming out now.
So what you're saying is, you don't relate to music coming out now, but you related to music coming out in the early to mid 90s. And, everyone knows you're Snoop's ex wife so you must've felt that you could relate to his music.
Now, unless you were gang bangin', Pimpin' chicks, hustlin' dope etc. then you didn't relate to Snoop's music. You didn't relate to Dre's music. Am I right? If you didn't relate to any of those topics, then why do you like the music?
You don't relate to today's music for that very reason, you don't relate to the topics. You must listen to a lot of Sage Francis and Atmosphere, because Im sure thats ALL you can TRUELY relate to.
No hate involved, you came at me with the insults. As a matter of fact, I don't hate on any artist. I respect everyones hustle. I back up ALL my points very well. I don't just go and say "Fuck this artist because his music sucks!!!" No. Thats hating. I say "Eminem ain't that dope because he's dropped two very wack albums." Then I back up my statement.
Im the farthest thing from a Hater and I've proved that to everyone. That is the only thing people can call me, but can NEVER prove it. I proved you to be a Hypocrite with proof behind it. Prove me to be a hater.
If you didn't mean to say what you wrote in your first post, fine. Retract your statement. Don't try to stand by it, because you and I both know it's not a valid point, whatsoever.
Btw, I wish I drove a Benz. You've seen me post what... One picture with a female? LOL. Ok! And, hey! I'll keep on getting Crunk and getting Low, I'm more than happy to do so. Im gonna enjoy my life and not be a touchy prick like yourself.
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Prove me to be a hater.
Go read your last 10 posts man. or last 20, or 30....90% of the posts you make are quoting other people and arguing with their opinion. Instead of replying with an opinion of your own, or stating how you feel about something you feel the need to talk about how someone else is wrong and you are right or you try to get on people...you do it to everyone on this board...its pathetic. i dont post here to disagree with people all the time or to try and prove them wrong.
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I'm a hater for disagreeing with you? LOL. And you told me to grow up?