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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: eS El Duque on May 30, 2005, 01:29:29 PM
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As I remember, some people here said Kobe Bryant was "easily" going to get the MVP this year and the lakers were GOING to make the playoffs..that didn't happen ;D.
But I also thought Lebron James ewas going to get MVP and the Cavs were going to make the playoffs aswell..that didn't happen ;D
So let's start voting on who will be the MVP next season...then when next year is over, we'll come back to this thread and see who's right 8)
My Vote: Lebron James ;D
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i think steve nash will get it next year for the exact same reason he got it this year - he is white.
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1. Duncan
2. Garnett, if team is competitive
T-3. Kobe
T-3. Lebron
4. Amare Stoudamire
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I think it should finally be Kobe's year...
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the return of Kobe.
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IM pretty sure itll be lebron or kobe
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I'll predict Amare Stoudemire. His play in the playoffs this year was unbelievable and he is only going to get better.
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If Amare can play like he's played in the playoffs, he'll probably get it. Mutha fucka averaged 37 points a game in the playoffs against the Spurs...that's goddamn ridiculous.
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Amare was underrated big time during the actual season. He was a top 5 player in the season. Stoudamire is having the same type of first few years in the NBA like Garnett. Although I htink Amares third year was better than Garnetts third year...but both players doubled after the first season and increased in the third but I think amare increased more in thi past season. So was it a coincidence that Nash's arrival was at the same time Amare is going to experience his natural growth as a Superstar i nthe leauge? We'll never know, but i think Amare is the key to the Suns success.
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Amare is great...But Kobe's MVP season is way past due.
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out of that list, i actually went with Lebron.
Duncan will be close, cus the Spurs should be one of the better teams again next year....maybe even the top team. But, i think the voters are shying away from him winning it again.
Garnett, he's off the chain...but he's gonna need a lotta help. His team is honestly gonna have to bounce back AMAZINGLY for him to win it. And i mean, amazingly. Not just like a 5 or 6 seed....like a 1,2,3 seed.
Kobe, i dont see him getting it for the same reasons i dont see Garnett. Unless LA does something great next year i dont see the voters giving it to him. They cant just "make it" into the playoffs. After youve won championships (even if Shaq was there with you), the voters are gonna axpect your team to be a top knotch team in order for u to get voted MVP
Wade, he's tight...but no. All i can say about that. Shaq will still get a lot of credit for Wade's success.
Lebron, IMO doesnt have to do much to be considered for MVP. His team needs to make the playoffs, yes. And they do need to get a decent seed....maybe not even higher then 5 or 6 though. They play in the East, so thats very possible. He's on the rise (careerwise), which does play a part IMO. You see players like, Duncan, like Kobe, Iverson etc....that have done alot in their careers so far to impress coaches, analysts, etc...its almost like for them...they have to compete against their own image. If they dont outdo themselves...they dont look as impressive as they are. Lebron still has a lot of improving left, and im sure next years Lebron will be better then last years....
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I just gotta give Amare props though...he had a great FG%.
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If only the writers dont go for the trendy pick or the lets give it to somebody new route. I hate that. years to come for quick reference the fan will look at the MVP award and say "hmm he was the best player for 2008" So if lets say Player A was that damn dominant for 8 straight years then PLayer A should have gotten 8 straight MVPs who cares if its the same player.
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If only the writers dont go for the trendy pick or the lets give it to somebody new route. I hate that. years to come for quick reference the fan will look at the MVP award and say "hmm he was the best player for 2008" So if lets say Player A was that damn dominant for 8 straight years then PLayer A should have gotten 8 straight MVPs who cares if its the same player.
DUNCAN!!! lol
Jordan was able to get the award alot, but look at how much his image did for the league....so it wasnt a problem. No one else right now, is THAT big as far as a household name....so they play the politics.
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I just gotta give Amare props though...he had a great FG%.
Well, playing center had a lot to do with that...
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Lakers will be the most improved team next year, probably. Phil as a coach, Kobe regenerated and motivated, Odom and Caron playing triangle, Mihm with a year of experience, a lot of trades coming this summer.. I think it could be Kobe's year. But it depends from the rest of the team. If they'll sux like this year, no MVP for Kobe. And it's the same for KG and Lebron.
Duncan, Nash, Amare, Shaq and Wade are other candidates too, because their teams rules.
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I just gotta give Amare props though...he had a great FG%.
Well, playing center had a lot to do with that...
lol he always dunks! ;D
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News flash: Kobe will NEVER be MVP. Giving somone who had rape charges the best award you can get? The NBA is more political than that.
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News flash: Kobe will NEVER be MVP. Giving somone who had rape charges the best award you can get? The NBA is more political than that.
2000-01 - Allen Iverson, Philadelphia <- He was been in jail, portrayed by the media as a thug.
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News flash: Kobe will NEVER be MVP. Giving somone who had rape charges the best award you can get? The NBA is more political than that.
2000-01 - Allen Iverson, Philadelphia <- He was been in jail, portrayed by the media as a thug.
Being a thug is even considered a positive thing by some people (arent you a 2pac fan?) and being a G is probably the most wrongly glorified thing by the media that ever existed. The american media dickrode John Gotti like a motherfucker although he was a well known murderer, druglord, extortioner.
Raping someone on the other hand, is probably the uncoolest thing one could ever do. Even murderers in prison fuck them rapists up if they can, means that even those dudes moral is not low enough to accept rapists.
And dont get me wrong I dont think Kobe did it but that doesnt really change anything.
Also, Iverson was obviously the MVP in that year. Kobe will never stand out as much MVP-wise as Iverson did back then.
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I pretty much agree wtih 7even. same reason why people wnat Iverson to promote their products and not Kobe
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News flash: Kobe will NEVER be MVP. Giving somone who had rape charges the best award you can get? The NBA is more political than that.
The NBA backed Kobe when that psycho bitch made up the rape story...If Kobe never gets an MVP award, it'll be the biggest mistake the NBA has ever made...Kobe is one of the greatest guards ever and a HUGE part of the Laker dynasty...If he finishes his career without winning an MVP award, it'll be less "political" than raping 500 bitches with a chainsaw.
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News flash: Kobe will NEVER be MVP. Giving somone who had rape charges the best award you can get? The NBA is more political than that.
The NBA backed Kobe when that psycho bitch made up the rape story...If Kobe never gets an MVP award, it'll be the biggest mistake the NBA has ever made...Kobe is one of the greatest guards ever and a HUGE part of the Laker dynasty...If he finishes his career without winning an MVP award, it'll be less "political" than raping 500 bitches with a chainsaw.
The NBA had to support him. He was one of their bigger stars, and a moneymaker for the league. If it was Shawn Bradley facing rape charges (funny image lol), the NBA would hardly make a statement about it. And i dont see why Kobe not getting the award would be a mistake. I mean he hasnt proven he's the MVP yet....so why would it be a surprise if he never does prove it? This year was his first real chance to prove himself, and he failed.
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News flash: Kobe will NEVER be MVP. Giving somone who had rape charges the best award you can get? The NBA is more political than that.
The NBA backed Kobe when that psycho bitch made up the rape story...If Kobe never gets an MVP award, it'll be the biggest mistake the NBA has ever made...Kobe is one of the greatest guards ever and a HUGE part of the Laker dynasty...If he finishes his career without winning an MVP award, it'll be less "political" than raping 500 bitches with a chainsaw.
The NBA had to support him. He was one of their bigger stars, and a moneymaker for the league. If it was Shawn Bradley facing rape charges (funny image lol), the NBA would hardly make a statement about it. And i dont see why Kobe not getting the award would be a mistake. I mean he hasnt proven he's the MVP yet....so why would it be a surprise if he never does prove it? This year was his first real chance to prove himself, and he failed.
Yea, what a great chance he had to prove he was MVP!...LMAO, put Steve Nash on this years Lakers and see what a great chance Kobe had...You're funny, Tone.
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im going with Kobe i belive the lakers will come back strong
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News flash: Kobe will NEVER be MVP. Giving somone who had rape charges the best award you can get? The NBA is more political than that.
The NBA backed Kobe when that psycho bitch made up the rape story...If Kobe never gets an MVP award, it'll be the biggest mistake the NBA has ever made...Kobe is one of the greatest guards ever and a HUGE part of the Laker dynasty...If he finishes his career without winning an MVP award, it'll be less "political" than raping 500 bitches with a chainsaw.
The NBA had to support him. He was one of their bigger stars, and a moneymaker for the league. If it was Shawn Bradley facing rape charges (funny image lol), the NBA would hardly make a statement about it. And i dont see why Kobe not getting the award would be a mistake. I mean he hasnt proven he's the MVP yet....so why would it be a surprise if he never does prove it? This year was his first real chance to prove himself, and he failed.
Yea, what a great chance he had to prove he was MVP!...LMAO, put Steve Nash on this years Lakers and see what a great chance Kobe had...You're funny, Tone.
lol hey....it wasnt ME who said Nash was better then Kobe this year! Im sayin he had his chance as far as...not having to share the spotlight with another star. He could be "the guy" now, and thered be no doubt whos team it was. Obviously the team wasnt gonna finish with the #1 seed or anything, but i know a lot of people were expecting more....from the team AND him. His numbers were good and all, but he didnt show himself as a leader this year like a lot of people were hoping.
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Garnett
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News flash: Kobe will NEVER be MVP. Giving somone who had rape charges the best award you can get? The NBA is more political than that.
2000-01 - Allen Iverson, Philadelphia <- He was been in jail, portrayed by the media as a thug.
Being a thug is even considered a positive thing by some people (arent you a 2pac fan?) and being a G is probably the most wrongly glorified thing by the media that ever existed. The american media dickrode John Gotti like a motherfucker although he was a well known murderer, druglord, extortioner.
Raping someone on the other hand, is probably the uncoolest thing one could ever do. Even murderers in prison fuck them rapists up if they can, means that even those dudes moral is not low enough to accept rapists.
And dont get me wrong I dont think Kobe did it but that doesnt really change anything.
You got a point here. Sad shit. Anyway i'm a lawyer, i dont consider being a thug a positive thing at all.
Also, Iverson was obviously the MVP in that year. Kobe will never stand out as much MVP-wise as Iverson did back then.
I don't know the future. But last year (i mean the last one of Phil) people in the Staples were screaming MVP! MVP! when Kobe had the ball..
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News flash: Kobe will NEVER be MVP. Giving somone who had rape charges the best award you can get? The NBA is more political than that.
The NBA backed Kobe when that psycho bitch made up the rape story...If Kobe never gets an MVP award, it'll be the biggest mistake the NBA has ever made...Kobe is one of the greatest guards ever and a HUGE part of the Laker dynasty...If he finishes his career without winning an MVP award, it'll be less "political" than raping 500 bitches with a chainsaw.
The NBA had to support him. He was one of their bigger stars, and a moneymaker for the league. If it was Shawn Bradley facing rape charges (funny image lol), the NBA would hardly make a statement about it. And i dont see why Kobe not getting the award would be a mistake. I mean he hasnt proven he's the MVP yet....so why would it be a surprise if he never does prove it? This year was his first real chance to prove himself, and he failed.
The NBA had to support him cause it was clear since day 1 that Kobe didnt rape that bitch.
And they did the right thing cause Kobe is innocent.
About the MVP title... Kobe still has to prove everything, but he can do it. It's up to him. Jordan won MVP's in his 30's..
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News flash: Kobe will NEVER be MVP. Giving somone who had rape charges the best award you can get? The NBA is more political than that.
The NBA backed Kobe when that psycho bitch made up the rape story...If Kobe never gets an MVP award, it'll be the biggest mistake the NBA has ever made...Kobe is one of the greatest guards ever and a HUGE part of the Laker dynasty...If he finishes his career without winning an MVP award, it'll be less "political" than raping 500 bitches with a chainsaw.
The NBA had to support him. He was one of their bigger stars, and a moneymaker for the league. If it was Shawn Bradley facing rape charges (funny image lol), the NBA would hardly make a statement about it. And i dont see why Kobe not getting the award would be a mistake. I mean he hasnt proven he's the MVP yet....so why would it be a surprise if he never does prove it? This year was his first real chance to prove himself, and he failed.
The NBA had to support him cause it was clear since day 1 that Kobe didnt rape that bitch.
And they did the right thing cause Kobe is innocent.
About the MVP title... Kobe still has to prove everything, but he can do it. It's up to him. Jordan won MVP's in his 30's..
i thought we were WAY past the Jordan/Kobe comparisons lol.....besides, didnt Jordan win MVP's in his 20's too?
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News flash: Kobe will NEVER be MVP. Giving somone who had rape charges the best award you can get? The NBA is more political than that.
The NBA backed Kobe when that psycho bitch made up the rape story...If Kobe never gets an MVP award, it'll be the biggest mistake the NBA has ever made...Kobe is one of the greatest guards ever and a HUGE part of the Laker dynasty...If he finishes his career without winning an MVP award, it'll be less "political" than raping 500 bitches with a chainsaw.
The NBA had to support him. He was one of their bigger stars, and a moneymaker for the league. If it was Shawn Bradley facing rape charges (funny image lol), the NBA would hardly make a statement about it. And i dont see why Kobe not getting the award would be a mistake. I mean he hasnt proven he's the MVP yet....so why would it be a surprise if he never does prove it? This year was his first real chance to prove himself, and he failed.
The NBA had to support him cause it was clear since day 1 that Kobe didnt rape that bitch.
And they did the right thing cause Kobe is innocent.
About the MVP title... Kobe still has to prove everything, but he can do it. It's up to him. Jordan won MVP's in his 30's..
i thought we were WAY past the Jordan/Kobe comparisons lol.....besides, didnt Jordan win MVP's in his 20's too?
Yea, and Kobe's still 26...And it's funny how you're saying he wasn't showing himself as a leader when he was basically doing Frank Hamblen's job as coach...Shit, if you watched the games, you could see Kobe guiding the players, talking to them, basically just trying his hardest to reach them...And he got every new player on the Lakers to improve their game from last year...But they still didn't have that click, that chemistry... they were never a steady team, shit, they didn't even have a stable coach...That's why, man, they're in a rebuilding phase...Kobe still has a long time to prove himself a leader, if some people believe he already hasn't...But it'll be clear by the end of his career and if he never wins an MVP, that'll just be a sad mark in pro sports history...PeACe
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News flash: Kobe will NEVER be MVP. Giving somone who had rape charges the best award you can get? The NBA is more political than that.
The NBA backed Kobe when that psycho bitch made up the rape story...If Kobe never gets an MVP award, it'll be the biggest mistake the NBA has ever made...Kobe is one of the greatest guards ever and a HUGE part of the Laker dynasty...If he finishes his career without winning an MVP award, it'll be less "political" than raping 500 bitches with a chainsaw.
The NBA had to support him. He was one of their bigger stars, and a moneymaker for the league. If it was Shawn Bradley facing rape charges (funny image lol), the NBA would hardly make a statement about it. And i dont see why Kobe not getting the award would be a mistake. I mean he hasnt proven he's the MVP yet....so why would it be a surprise if he never does prove it? This year was his first real chance to prove himself, and he failed.
The NBA had to support him cause it was clear since day 1 that Kobe didnt rape that bitch.
And they did the right thing cause Kobe is innocent.
About the MVP title... Kobe still has to prove everything, but he can do it. It's up to him. Jordan won MVP's in his 30's..
i thought we were WAY past the Jordan/Kobe comparisons lol.....besides, didnt Jordan win MVP's in his 20's too?
Yea, and Kobe's still 26...And it's funny how you're saying he wasn't showing himself as a leader when he was basically doing Frank Hamblen's job as coach...Shit, if you watched the games, you could see Kobe guiding the players, talking to them, basically just trying his hardest to reach them...And he got every new player on the Lakers to improve their game from last year...But they still didn't have that click, that chemistry... they were never a steady team, shit, they didn't even have a stable coach...That's why, man, they're in a rebuilding phase...Kobe still has a long time to prove himself a leader, if some people believe he already hasn't...But it'll be clear by the end of his career and if he never wins an MVP, that'll just be a sad mark in pro sports history...PeACe
not that i wanna get back into this argument again (we've had it a million times lol). When i say leader, i dont just mean directing traffic on the court. I mean, motivating his teammates (which doesnt necessarily come from the court). I watched a lot of the games this year, the team just looked unmotivated in a LOT of games. Players standing around, watching Kobe dribble out the shot clock and throw up a bad shot. They looked frustrated. And its not like u had LAST years team, with a bunch of veterans who were used to winning. You had a whole different team that shouldnt respond to losing with such frustration. They looked like they gave up halfway through the damn season. I blame Kobe. Shit, you cant say Kobe isnt bigger to the Laker organization then Hamblen was lol So yeah, the coach wasnt amazing...but Kobe should have taken all the blame on his shoulders, its what a leader does. When they win, he'll get ALL the credit....when they lose, he should accept the blame.
Has for him getting an MVP, who knows if he ever will. But it doesnt mean anything is wrong with the NBA if he doesnt. We have no idea what turns his career will take from now. He hasnt earned one yet. Who's to say tho, they he WONT go downhill from here? He's a good player, so it isnt like he's gonna completely fall off. But this is basically the middle of his career and his dominance (i dont think) wont be on the uprise from this point...while younger players still get better.
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News flash: Kobe will NEVER be MVP. Giving somone who had rape charges the best award you can get? The NBA is more political than that.
The NBA backed Kobe when that psycho bitch made up the rape story...If Kobe never gets an MVP award, it'll be the biggest mistake the NBA has ever made...Kobe is one of the greatest guards ever and a HUGE part of the Laker dynasty...If he finishes his career without winning an MVP award, it'll be less "political" than raping 500 bitches with a chainsaw.
The NBA had to support him. He was one of their bigger stars, and a moneymaker for the league. If it was Shawn Bradley facing rape charges (funny image lol), the NBA would hardly make a statement about it. And i dont see why Kobe not getting the award would be a mistake. I mean he hasnt proven he's the MVP yet....so why would it be a surprise if he never does prove it? This year was his first real chance to prove himself, and he failed.
The NBA had to support him cause it was clear since day 1 that Kobe didnt rape that bitch.
And they did the right thing cause Kobe is innocent.
About the MVP title... Kobe still has to prove everything, but he can do it. It's up to him. Jordan won MVP's in his 30's..
i thought we were WAY past the Jordan/Kobe comparisons lol.....besides, didnt Jordan win MVP's in his 20's too?
He was a better player, obviously. I just said he got still time to develope as a player, being only 26.
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not that i wanna get back into this argument again (we've had it a million times lol). When i say leader, i dont just mean directing traffic on the court. I mean, motivating his teammates (which doesnt necessarily come from the court). I watched a lot of the games this year, the team just looked unmotivated in a LOT of games. Players standing around, watching Kobe dribble out the shot clock and throw up a bad shot. They looked frustrated. And its not like u had LAST years team, with a bunch of veterans who were used to winning. You had a whole different team that shouldnt respond to losing with such frustration. They looked like they gave up halfway through the damn season. I blame Kobe.
I dont. Some games went like that, obviously. For example the Lakers vs Miami one, on xmas, with Kobe doing everything alone. But 90% of the others were different. I mean i have two flashbacks of this season:
1- Rudy T. and F. Hamblen constantly saying during their interviews that other teammates had to be more selfish, taking more responsabiliities, trying to shoot more, without always giving the ball to Kobe when the opponent team was playing aggressive defence. This has nothing to do with Kobe. It's the other teammates who lacked of aggressivity, sometimes. Odom. Shit, Odom was like scared to shoot, this year! And it has nothing to do with Kobe! Odom had to take more responsabilities!
2- I remember a game against Golden State, i think. Last shot for the Lakers, -1 Lakers. Ball to Kobe, Kobe was doubled, he passed it to L. Walton, Walton was all alone from 3pts, 3 seconds left, and instead of shooting the ball, he passed it back to Kobe who was still doubled. Turnover. Warriors won. Shiiiit.
For sure Kobe is a player who shoots a lot. But Lakers scored a lot, that wasnt their problem! If you think Lakers problem was to score then you didnt see the Lakers at all, this season. The problem was that 90% of the times we scored like 105-108 points. But opponents scored 110!! I mean our problem was on defence!!! Rudy T. never coached defense to the Lakers!!! That's probably why he failed. A good coach (ex. Phil, Brown, etc..) coaches DEFENCE first, then attack!!!
We TOTALLY SUCKED ON DEFENCE, this year!! That's why we can improve a lot with Phil. With Phil, we used to have a wonderful defence! We won rings thanx to our defence!! With Rudy T. and Hamblen, we were just embarassing in defence!!
To score is really the last problem, when you have Kobe, Caron and Lamar in your team! We should focus on defence.
Shit, you cant say Kobe isnt bigger to the Laker organization then Hamblen was lol So yeah, the coach wasnt amazing...but Kobe should have taken all the blame on his shoulders, its what a leader does. When they win, he'll get ALL the credit....when they lose, he should accept the blame.
I made you an example, that game against Golden State. Kobe took all the blame, saying he'll pass the ball to Walton next time in a situation like this, that he trusts Walton, and that he did a mistake cause he wasnt ready to receive the ball back. He protected him. And in the next game he gave 6 assists to Walton only. FACT.
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I mean you can't really say who will win because you never know if a player will emerge way past what anyone was predicting. Like how do you know that Mike Bibby or Stephon Marbury might be in the running and win. You never know.
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Yea...Tone, it's the defense that killed the Lakers this year...Kobe can't teach 12 players how to play defense...Fact is, they needed a coach...Bird needed a coach, Magic needed a coach, shit, even Jordan needed a coach...Now Kobe is in need of a coach, a coach who can give some motivation and teach some defense...PeACe
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Yea...Tone, it's the defense that killed the Lakers this year...Kobe can't teach 12 players how to play defense...Fact is, they needed a coach...Bird needed a coach, Magic needed a coach, shit, even Jordan needed a coach...Now Kobe is in need of a coach, a coach who can give some motivation and teach some defense...PeACe
Ok ok....we agree, your whole team just sucked...not just Kobe. ;D
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