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Ananova:
Noel Gallagher 'hates' Eminem & 50
Oasis star Noel Gallagher has accused rappers Eminem and 50 Cent of encouraging youth violence.
The guitarist told Observer Music Monthly that he hates hip hop because of the negative messages it gives to fans.
"I despise hip hop. Loathe it. Eminem is an idiot and I find 50 Cent the most distasteful character I have ever crossed in my life."
And Noel reckons that rap stars should take part of the blame for escalating levels of youth violence.
"I'm not saying they are directly responsible, but that's how you end up with these gangs of youths stabbing people."
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"Eminem is an idiot"
The only thing I can agree on wit what that dumbfuck said.
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They normally come out with something inteligent, but that was just stupid
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ha, im going to see an Oasis concert at MSG tonight.
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oasis are as good as they used to be :P
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Wow, that guy is ignorant.
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Wow, that guy is ignorant.
yeh. he sounds like an idiot.
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Wow, that guy is ignorant.
They insult everyone you mug, just to get a rise like.
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I wonder which wall this dude ran against this time
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This is coming from the man who is always getting into fights and arguments with a hell of a lot of people.
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didnt he get expelled from high school for fighting?
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hes from manchester (like me :D), people get strong headed, like him
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lol, Noel Gallagher is an idiot, anybody elseīs mouth would have surprised me a lil more having that come out of it, but in his case Iīm not exactly apalled. He should keep making music and his opinions to himself
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I usually find his commentary funny and stupod, but I don't have a problem with what he said. Not that it started with 50 and Em, but watching very young black kids now compared to before the rise of serious gangster or violent rap, I notice a big change in how they act and treat each other, and a lot of times they are quoting 50 Cent songs.
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I usually find his commentary funny and stupod, but I don't have a problem with what he said. Not that it started with 50 and Em, but watching very young black kids now compared to before the rise of serious gangster or violent rap, I notice a big change in how they act and treat each other, and a lot of times they are quoting 50 Cent songs.
rappers havenīt changed shit the only thing that has changed is the enviroment these kids gotta grow up in. i can say that iīm pretty sure that not one single young person is treating another one of their peers different coz of what a rapper has said and if even if it was the case the rappers shouldnīt be at fault but rather these kids parents should be blamed for lettin music raise their kids. if a parent blames a rapper or any artist for their kids actions it just shows the entire world that the parent really isnīt a parent.
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I usually find his commentary funny and stupod, but I don't have a problem with what he said. Not that it started with 50 and Em, but watching very young black kids now compared to before the rise of serious gangster or violent rap, I notice a big change in how they act and treat each other, and a lot of times they are quoting 50 Cent songs.
rappers havenīt changed shit the only thing that has changed is the enviroment these kids gotta grow up in. i can say that iīm pretty sure that not one single young person is treating another one of their peers different coz of what a rapper has said and if even if it was the case the rappers shouldnīt be at fault but rather these kids parents should be blamed for lettin music raise their kids. if a parent blames a rapper or any artist for their kids actions it just shows the entire world that the parent really isnīt a parent.
I'm not talking about upper-middle class white kids from the suburbs. I'm talking about black kids in the ghetto between the ages of 7 and 12 swearing, pulling out knives, talking about sex in very discriptive methods, all while reciting 50s rap lyrics. Parents? Most of these kids don't know their father and are one of 5 to 9 children that their mother has to take care of. Parents in the ghetto is not really an option. They grow up like this in their pre teen years and when they hit their early teens they're already into drug dealing, carrying guns, and robbing people at gun point. Sometimes even shooting people. I'm talking about 14 to 16 year olds. And I'm talking from what I perdsonally know and see. When I was younger we had our share of thugs and gangsters but I've never seen so many like I see now. My old highschool would consistently have between 1200 and 1300 students each year. Over the past couple years it's down to about 800. Why? Because a lot of kids are getting kicked out, or are locked up. Realistically there are about 200 kids that should be in that school that aren't because of how things have changed. The ignorance of gangster rap music is probably a very small part of that, but I strongly feel it is a part.
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people been doin all of that shit you mentioned 30 years before rap music even existed so the whole argument really holds no weight. and of course parents are responsible even if the fatherīs not around or the other way around. and even in the worst conditions parents should be able to guide their kids inthe right direction and get up off their asses and stop lettin the tv teach their kids coz what you see on tv is 10000x worse then what you hear in music. whatīs next is Arnold gonna be held responsible if someone imitates what they saw on Terminator? no coz itīs entertainemnt and thatīs what rap music is and people donīt go out and sell drugs and kill people just coz rappers talk about it.
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:psych: Noel Gallagher
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people been doin all of that shit you mentioned 30 years before rap music even existed so the whole argument really holds no weight. and of course parents are responsible even if the fatherīs not around or the other way around. and even in the worst conditions parents should be able to guide their kids inthe right direction and get up off their asses and stop lettin the tv teach their kids coz what you see on tv is 10000x worse then what you hear in music. whatīs next is Arnold gonna be held responsible if someone imitates what they saw on Terminator? no coz itīs entertainemnt and thatīs what rap music is and people donīt go out and sell drugs and kill people just coz rappers talk about it.
If you go back to the 40s I think you'll notice a lot less gun violence and killings than there are today, just to let you know.
Anyway, I'm not holding 50 Cent responsible, but gangster rap is a factor, no matter how small. This is different than Anrie playing a robot and killing machines. Kids like Spiderman but they don't try and web sling. Why? Because they know it's fantasy, or at least they know it's beyond their capabilities. Spidey's a super hero with super powers, 50 is a real man who does real things as far as the kids are concerned. They see a guy like him as a role model and they copy him, and others like him. Before it was 50 it was DMX, before X it was Pac, and before Pac it was Snoop and the rest of Deathrow. Before the gangsta rap phase it wasn't as bad. I was around in the late 80s it wasn't as bad, as far as numbers are concerned. Rap was a lot cleaner then, and rappers were saints compared to today. Of course you still had gangs and gangsters, but gun violence was way down, and the number of kids affected was down too. It's not like guns were harder to get back then, and cocaine was all over the place, but not in the hands of kids. Movies were more violent, and so were cartoons. But the real life role models were nothing like their on screen counter parts. The only difference I see is that gangster rap is common place and little kids want to be like those guys. Parents were just as neglegent in the 80s as they are now. So what do you think is difference.
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Asisde from the part about "despising hiphop" I think what he said was basically true. It might not be right coming from him, but I agree with his opinion
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i dont see wats so wrong about his comment...
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Eminem will pistol whip him with an empty gun
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lol. kind of a ignorant remark but oh well. dude's a good musician.
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Gallagher hates everyone, even his own brother at some points of the bands existance
But however he does have a point. I loved rap before but since 50 Cent came along its like its fashionable to be gangsta, people going to extradionary lengths just to prove they're "street" or "gangsta". It is a bad influence coz young people often dont realize they're throwing there lifes away for what, to do what 50 Cent says.
Sure there are people that grow up in ghettos & tough situations, they do it out of desperation, but they're also alot of rich spoilt brats who want to be "rebels" & go throwing there lifes away for nothing because 50 Cent made it "cool" to be shot.
As far as Eminem, he's music while it has had violent themes too it, usually its said in a way that you just laugh at it, you know its fake. Besides in recent times he's changed alot of song subject content. 50 Cent raps about bitches or getting shot & trys to promote that its real for him & taht he's superman coz of it, & of course kids are going to look up to him & say "well everyone think he's cool maybe i should be a gangsta too".
I saw it happen a bit before too, with the Dogg Pound & 2Pac, around that time i remember kids my age tryin to be "gangsta" like those guys, some of them ruined there lifes tryin to be gangsta for what coz it was cool at the time & if u ask em now they'll tell you how STUPID it was.
Should 50 Cent & rap be entirely to blame, no, but its part of the influence
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lol seriously 50 cent isn't even considered gangsta rap in my book. why blame 50 cent when you got rappers 100x more hardcore than him. Maybe hes the hardest at the moment in the mainstream or so he claim. And gangsta rap was way more violent 10 years ago cause nowaday everybody wants to be a "pimp" than doing drive-by. And for that idiot of oasis who hates rap because of its negativity, should listen to some of them couscious rappers out there like talib kweli, mos def, common, De La Soul, tribe, The Roots even Kanye west so he could just stop hating on a style of music he dont know shit about.
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Noel Is Prob jus jealous coz he aint seen as the bad boy of music wit his knob head brother i hate oasis i woz always a blur fan anyway!!!!
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If he wants to blame someone for escalating youth violence, why doesn't he blame George Bush, Bush is the biggest, baddest gangsta we've seen over the past few years.
Understand that gangsta culture is always going to be represented in media, because this country was founded by gangsters. Everything they did to get this country, they can throw you in jail for.
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If he wants to blame someone for escalating youth violence, why doesn't he blame George Bush, Bush is the biggest, baddest gangsta we've seen over the past few years.
Because GW isn't looked up to as a role model by kids in the ghetto.
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Wow, that guy is ignorant.
Yeah but truthful.
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Noel Is Prob jus jealous coz he aint seen as the bad boy of music wit his knob head brother i hate oasis i woz always a blur fan anyway!!!!
Gay boy. Proper lads liked Oasis eh? Girls and homosexuals liked Blur.
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If music could make you do something then we would all love each-other seeing as there is more love songs then anything.
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Oasis used to be good back in the day, but now, with Noel sayin shit like this... he's just showing his age :-\
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nothin has changed for a long time. It's easier to blame rap than recognize parent's fault , society failure or just the fact some kids are just straight stupid
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If music could make you do something then we would all love each-other seeing as there is more love songs then anything.
Yup. Motherfuckers always want to blame other things or people for society's problems. No one takes responsibility for themselves.
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Oasis used to be good back in the day, but now, with Noel sayin shit like this... he's just showing his age :-\
their new cd is rather good actually
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Noel Is Prob jus jealous coz he aint seen as the bad boy of music wit his knob head brother i hate oasis i woz always a blur fan anyway!!!!
Gay boy. Proper lads liked Oasis eh? Girls and homosexuals liked Blur.
so u were a blur fan as well? and besides how does a type of music of preference of band equal your sexuality grow up lil boy how old r u?
Concerts aren't for me unless their is seating, I found that out when I went to an Arctic Monkey gig and a bunch of sweaty student types started pushing up against me, banging their heads around like complete tosser. I promptly told them to fuck off before I kicked their cunt in. Too much hassle eh?
futher more is more proof u hear to get to the porn section so u can masterbate while u play on the fantasy that u can get girls? because i aint gay i have a beautiful girlfriend i have been with for a year and a half
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im actually glad this fuckwit said this
now maybe Em will get hella pissed and make a fukn decent album
guy makes a whole heap better shit when he is pissed off
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If music could make you do something then we would all love each-other seeing as there is more love songs then anything.
Well, most of us DO love each other. It's usually the people who listen to Rap or dark depressing metal or something that are the assholes.
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If music could make you do something then we would all love each-other seeing as there is more love songs then anything.
Yup. Motherfuckers always want to blame other things or people for society's problems. No one takes responsibility for themselves.
Yeah, like rappers. They don't want to take responsibility for the music they create, and the vibe they send out, instead they want to run around like millionaire children shooting each other.
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Noel Is Prob jus jealous coz he aint seen as the bad boy of music wit his knob head brother i hate oasis i woz always a blur fan anyway!!!!
Gay boy. Proper lads liked Oasis eh? Girls and homosexuals liked Blur.
so u were a blur fan as well? and besides how does a type of music of preference of band equal your sexuality grow up lil boy how old r u?
Concerts aren't for me unless their is seating, I found that out when I went to an Arctic Monkey gig and a bunch of sweaty student types started pushing up against me, banging their heads around like complete tosser. I promptly told them to fuck off before I kicked their cunt in. Too much hassle eh?
futher more is more proof u hear to get to the porn section so u can masterbate while u play on the fantasy that u can get girls? because i aint gay i have a beautiful girlfriend i have been with for a year and a half
Eh? I've been around for nearly 4 years (maybe nearer 3, I can't remember). If I wanted to knock one out I'd do it over my 12 year old girlfriends face, O.K?
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Noel Is Prob jus jealous coz he aint seen as the bad boy of music wit his knob head brother i hate oasis i woz always a blur fan anyway!!!!
Gay boy. Proper lads liked Oasis eh? Girls and homosexuals liked Blur.
so u were a blur fan as well? and besides how does a type of music of preference of band equal your sexuality grow up lil boy how old r u?
Concerts aren't for me unless their is seating, I found that out when I went to an Arctic Monkey gig and a bunch of sweaty student types started pushing up against me, banging their heads around like complete tosser. I promptly told them to fuck off before I kicked their cunt in. Too much hassle eh?
futher more is more proof u hear to get to the porn section so u can masterbate while u play on the fantasy that u can get girls? because i aint gay i have a beautiful girlfriend i have been with for a year and a half
Eh? I've been around for nearly 4 years (maybe nearer 3, I can't remember). If I wanted to knock one out I'd do it over my 12 year old girlfriends face, O.K?
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wat we in 2009 now or somethin? u cant be serious bout your 12 year old girlfriend u sound like your starved for attention
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If you go back to the 40s I think you'll notice a lot less gun violence and killings than there are today, just to let you know.
Anyway, I'm not holding 50 Cent responsible, but gangster rap is a factor, no matter how small. This is different than Anrie playing a robot and killing machines. Kids like Spiderman but they don't try and web sling. Why? Because they know it's fantasy, or at least they know it's beyond their capabilities. Spidey's a super hero with super powers, 50 is a real man who does real things as far as the kids are concerned. They see a guy like him as a role model and they copy him, and others like him. Before it was 50 it was DMX, before X it was Pac, and before Pac it was Snoop and the rest of Deathrow. Before the gangsta rap phase it wasn't as bad. I was around in the late 80s it wasn't as bad, as far as numbers are concerned. Rap was a lot cleaner then, and rappers were saints compared to today. Of course you still had gangs and gangsters, but gun violence was way down, and the number of kids affected was down too. It's not like guns were harder to get back then, and cocaine was all over the place, but not in the hands of kids. Movies were more violent, and so were cartoons. But the real life role models were nothing like their on screen counter parts. The only difference I see is that gangster rap is common place and little kids want to be like those guys. Parents were just as neglegent in the 80s as they are now. So what do you think is difference.
How long were you around in the 80s? Life in the ghetto was real rough then. Until the mid 90s, most of the populace was in the lower percentile middle class. Then the boom hit, and everyone got materialistic. I don't think living can get as bad as it was in the 80s, but I do agree with you that things are starting to get bad again. It's the whole fact that folks want what they don't have whether they have money or not, and after seeing all these commericals on 500 different channels, some people will do anything to get the things they have always wanted.
Where I really disagree with you is about the parents role today and their role back in the 80s. Now, all the parents do is bitch about what the schools should be doing to improve their children, or how fast food places are at fault for getting their kid fat, or blaming the music industry because little Jonny started selling crack. There is a reason why parents are considered "guardians" until the kids turn 18. Too many parents are more concerned about furthering their career than about their own child. If someone is picking on your kid, teach them to defend themselves. If your kids are getting fat, stop sending them to McDonald's because you are too lazy to cook dinner. If you suspect your kid is dealing drugs, they live in your house and you are legally held responsible for your child until they are 18 so you better go and deal with that shit. My parents hit their high school years around the late 60s/early 70s when all that hippie music was floating around talking about expanding your mind and free love and I think they did a good job. I think parents are just intimidated by their own kids.
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Them oasis jokers always picking on people when they are in thier crew usually waiters, air stewardesses and anyone they they think is an easy target. Well one day they picked on some guys who were business men or some shit and thought theyd slap them about well they got the shit kicked out of them bad.
''LIAM GALLAGHER FINED $72,000
OASIS wildman LIAM GALLAGHER has been fined nearly $72,000 (Ģ40,000) for a drunken brawl that also cost him two front teeth. : ;D
A German court hit the singer with the penalty at a hearing on Friday (19NOV04) after he admitted fighting at Munich's posh Hotel Bayerischer Hof nightclub in December 2002 - the man who knocked his teeth out will stand trial for assault in the New Year (05).
The fight also lost Gallagher a staggering $315,000 (Ģ175,000) in ticket sales, after two concerts were cancelled and an extra $324,000 (Ģ180,000) to leave the country while his case was pending.''
Got teeth knocked the fuck out, imagine if they step to G-Unit they betta watch out for young buck and his shank.
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Noel Is Prob jus jealous coz he aint seen as the bad boy of music wit his knob head brother i hate oasis i woz always a blur fan anyway!!!!
Gay boy. Proper lads liked Oasis eh? Girls and homosexuals liked Blur.
so u were a blur fan as well? and besides how does a type of music of preference of band equal your sexuality grow up lil boy how old r u?
Concerts aren't for me unless their is seating, I found that out when I went to an Arctic Monkey gig and a bunch of sweaty student types started pushing up against me, banging their heads around like complete tosser. I promptly told them to fuck off before I kicked their cunt in. Too much hassle eh?
futher more is more proof u hear to get to the porn section so u can masterbate while u play on the fantasy that u can get girls? because i aint gay i have a beautiful girlfriend i have been with for a year and a half
Eh? I've been around for nearly 4 years (maybe nearer 3, I can't remember). If I wanted to knock one out I'd do it over my 12 year old girlfriends face, O.K?
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wat we in 2009 now or somethin? u cant be serious bout your 12 year old girlfriend u sound like your starved for attention
This doesn't have to be my only account though does it soft lad?
PM me to arrange a kicking.
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"Eminem is an idiot"
The only thing I can agree on wit what that dumbfuck said.
i second that, LOL
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50 gonna diss oassis he will end there carrer just like he did ja's.
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^ hahahahahahahaha u know wat, ill put that in my sig cause the stupidity of it makes me tingle
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50 gonna diss oassis he will end there carrer just like he did ja's.
LMAO AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
thats almost more stupid than that bloke who said 2pac could be compared to the great painters, philosophers, poets, writers etc.
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why dont they also lash out on punk bands ? there are more fights in a punk concert than a hip-hop festival... man hip-hop is chilled out, most of us are/have been passive stoners...
eminem hasnt done fuck all, 50 cent is a clown tho, i agree with that, i can fukn stand gun-shots n shit in hip-hop.
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There is never fights at punk shows, unless it happens to be a show where there is metal and punk fans because they dont usually get on.
I dont think Noel understands anything about rap but he is right about 50, most of the people who look up to him dont know real rap or what it was about back in the Afrika Bambatta days.
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why dont they also lash out on punk bands ? there are more fights in a punk concert than a hip-hop festival... man hip-hop is chilled out, most of us are/have been passive stoners...
eminem hasnt done fuck all, 50 cent is a clown tho, i agree with that, i can fukn stand gun-shots n shit in hip-hop.
because punk rockers don't tell each other to kill people, to call women bitches, and punk is basically a dead artform. NOBODY listens to punk. EVERYBODY listens to rap, so the message is more important because you've got more people listening to what these clowns are saying.
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why dont they also lash out on punk bands ? there are more fights in a punk concert than a hip-hop festival... man hip-hop is chilled out, most of us are/have been passive stoners...
eminem hasnt done fuck all, 50 cent is a clown tho, i agree with that, i can fukn stand gun-shots n shit in hip-hop.
because punk rockers don't tell each other to kill people, to call women bitches, and punk is basically a dead artform. NOBODY listens to punk. EVERYBODY listens to rap, so the message is more important because you've got more people listening to what these clowns are saying.
man i see alot of punks walkin the streets...
punk music just gets em violent... not all hip-hop is like that anyway... theres some satanic punk bands too, who do you think is to blame for all the virgin sacrifices ? the mail-man ? guess again poindexter.
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lol @ noel gallagher
fuckin idiot beats up papperazzi and he talkin bout em and fiddy creating violence
noel gallagher = :tosser:
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I wonder which wall this dude ran against this time
Maybe the WONDERWALL ;D
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Satanic punk? FUCK OFF!
And alot of people listen to punk, not the same punk as the Sex Pistols or anything but there is still punk everywhere.
Emo is punk for a start and look at how popular those bands(Taking Back Sunday, My Chemical Romance) are in America.
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Satanic punk? FUCK OFF!
And alot of people listen to punk, not the same punk as the Sex Pistols or anything but there is still punk everywhere.
Emo is punk for a start and look at how popular those bands(Taking Back Sunday, My Chemical Romance) are in America.
satanic punk exists bozo.
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lol @ noel gallagher
fuckin idiot beats up papperazzi and he talkin bout em and fiddy creating violence
noel gallagher = :tosser:
lol
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I wonder which wall this dude ran against this time
Maybe the WONDERWALL ;D
hahaha that made me smile, props
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anyway, i'd like to see a cross diss, a rock diss against a hip-hop diss...
dont oasiis sing about drugs metaphorically anyway ?
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lol @ noel gallagher
fuckin idiot beats up papperazzi and he talkin bout em and fiddy creating violence
noel gallagher = :tosser:
lol
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yea its true that they encourage violence but whos he to say something
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^ lol... hes a human.
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Whos a satanic punk then?
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he fucking got charged for beating his fans up and shit
fucking idiot
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Whos a satanic punk then?
those death metal fans n shit...
is the difference between metal and punk the same as r&b & hip-hop ?
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Whos a satanic punk then?
those death metal fans n shit...
is the difference between metal and punk the same as r&b & hip-hop ?
i wouldnīt put a real analogy there, no. The whole histories are pretty different...and death metal is not punk
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anyway, i'd like to see a cross diss, a rock diss against a hip-hop diss...
dont oasiis sing about drugs metaphorically anyway ?
Maybe. I've always wondered what the line "Where were you while we were getting high?" meant.
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Whos a satanic punk then?
those death metal fans n shit...
is the difference between metal and punk the same as r&b & hip-hop ?
i wouldnīt put a real analogy there, no. The whole histories are pretty different...and death metal is not punk
weel to me ppl that listen to punk, metal, rock, western are all the same mind-frame.. i guess i stand corrected... ?
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Ananova:
Noel Gallagher 'hates' Eminem & 50
Oasis star Noel Gallagher has accused rappers Eminem and 50 Cent of encouraging youth violence.
The guitarist told Observer Music Monthly that he hates hip hop because of the negative messages it gives to fans.
"I despise hip hop. Loathe it. Eminem is an idiot and I find 50 Cent the most distasteful character I have ever crossed in my life."
And Noel reckons that rap stars should take part of the blame for escalating levels of youth violence.
"I'm not saying they are directly responsible, but that's how you end up with these gangs of youths stabbing people."
what a fuckin retard. Only people who emmulate 50 and Em are from the suburbs. If this homo complaining about hip hop was really concerned about violence...he'd do something real about helping the problem rather then pointing the finger at other artists. How come when some kid from the suburbs commits a crime and listens to rap music, its instantly the musicians fault? But when a kid from the ghetto commits a crime and listens to rap music, its because he's just prone to violence by nature. I cant stand stupidass people like this. Seriously, he should just be shot in the head..lol
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because punk rockers don't tell each other to kill people, to call women bitches, and punk is basically a dead artform. NOBODY listens to punk. EVERYBODY listens to rap, so the message is more important because you've got more people listening to what these clowns are saying.
it all depends on who delivers the message is all...
Chris Rock~"White man sells guns...ok. Black rapper SAYS guns....congressional hearing"
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i love the line
"where were you wile we were getting high?"
i think its simply amazing.
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I wonder which wall this dude ran against this time
Maybe the WONDERWALL ;D
that was my genius pun actually 8)
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Death metal and punk is not the same as rnb and rap.
All metal outside 1 sub-genre sounds different but it is still metal.