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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Drudge on June 29, 2005, 07:14:48 AM
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Thriller second best album of all time. Eagles take reign. link below
http://www.riaa.com/gp/bestsellers/topalbums.asp
What surprises me is Jacko not even in the top 10 for volume of sales.
AC/DC Beat Jacko
antiMusic reports: Jacko may have won his trial but the Thunder from Down Under, AC/DC, have put his King of Pop title in question. Plus Gene Simmons can not be pleased that he has been beat by the Carpenters and Sade. Want to add insult to injury? Motley Crue, a band that once was kicked out of an opening slot on a KISS tour beat Gene and Company too. This according the RIAA's latest best selling figures for albums in the U.S. In fact, KISS didn't even make the Top 100. Some other numbers that might be shocking; did you know that AC/DC has outsold The Rolling Stones, Madonna, Bruce Springsteen and the so called King of Pop, Michael Jackson?
The RIAA list was updated last week and indicates collective album sales for artists in the U.S. Of course, The Beatles topped the list with combined unit sales of 168.5 million in the US. Elvis was a distant second with 116.5 million with Led Zeppelin rounding out the Top 3 with 107.5 million albums sold in the US.
[see full story for more including the Top 100 list
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Big Willie Style sold 9 million fuckin copies!?
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the first figure is how many times platinum...
10.0
LIFE AFTER DEATH
NOTORIOUS B.I.G.
BAD BOY/ARISTA
10 x plat.. where is pac? ;)
9.0
ALL EYEZ ON ME
2 PAC
DEATH ROW/INTERSCOPE
9.0
GREATEST HITS
2 PAC
INTERSCOPE
8.0
THE EMINEM SHOW
EMINEM
INTERSCOPE
6.0
DR. DRE 2001
DR. DRE
INTERSCOPE
5.0
HARD KNOCK LIFE, VOLUME 2
JAY-Z
ROC-A-FELLA
album i own and surprised were up there are..
8.0
THROWING COPPER
LIVE
RADIOACTIVE
5.0
SKID ROW
SKID ROW
ATLANTIC
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I got a strong feeling Back in Black will the number one spot in our lifetime. The album is so raw and poppy at the same time. It's one of the only albums I can think of that can fully please the underground and the teeny boppers at the same time. It just keeps on gaining, both in the states and world wide. It's also the kind of music that could be featured in big time movies. Remember what Ghost did for the Righeous Brothers' Unchained Melody? With the right movie using either Back in Black, You Shook Me All Night Long, or Rock N Roll Ain't Noise Pollution, I could see the next batch of kids really getting into this record. When I look at the 4 albums ahead of it I see a greatest hits that is very soft and would turn off a lot of alt. music heads (and also has multiple better versions), a huge pop album that sounds dated with a lot of it's songs (everything outside the big 3 singles from Thriller sound like Disco leftovers). The Wall is way too art Rock to keep moving units like it once did, and it's a double album so it really didn't sell 23 million copies, and Led Zeppelin 4 may be the best of the bunch but I can't see the kids of tommorow geting into the old sounding production, but with a remastered release it may ver well happen.
Back in Black and 4 will top this list eventually.
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thriller is still the biggest selling album worldwide though.
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Led Zeppelin wont be 3rd for long...Garth is right behind them
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thanks for the link
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I'm confused. The list I'm seeing has the Eagles at 1st place, where they've been for a while, Michael still at second, and the AC/DC at 4th... but yet the title says AC/DC beats Michael, and the post implies it too. ? Anybody care to explain to me how 22 million album sales is more than 27 million album sales?
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Oh, and by the way, everybody knows the Elvis and Beatles records are fucked up, because there was a fire years ago that destroyed the album sales records up until that point for Elvis and the Beatles respectfully. They're both probably much higher.
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I'm confused. The list I'm seeing has the Eagles at 1st place, where they've been for a while, Michael still at second, and the AC/DC at 4th... but yet the title says AC/DC beats Michael, and the post implies it too. ? Anybody care to explain to me how 22 million album sales is more than 27 million album sales?
they're talking complete sales..AC/DC has sold more than Jackson in the US
http://www.riaa.com/gp/bestsellers/topartists.asp
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i agree with whoever said that back in black will be the number one album of all time eventually in our lifetime. it's STILL one of the highest selling back catalouge albums of all time and new generations of rock fans keep discovering it and embracing it.
also looking at the all time best selling artist list, i can see metallica overtaking some people because after the beatles they have the best selling back catalouge on all of their albums
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the first figure is how many times platinum...
10.0
LIFE AFTER DEATH
NOTORIOUS B.I.G.
BAD BOY/ARISTA
10 x plat.. where is pac? ;)
9.0
ALL EYEZ ON ME
2 PAC
DEATH ROW/INTERSCOPE
9.0
GREATEST HITS
2 PAC
INTERSCOPE
8.0
THE EMINEM SHOW
EMINEM
INTERSCOPE
6.0
DR. DRE 2001
DR. DRE
INTERSCOPE
5.0
HARD KNOCK LIFE, VOLUME 2
JAY-Z
ROC-A-FELLA
album i own and surprised were up there are..
8.0
THROWING COPPER
LIVE
RADIOACTIVE
5.0
SKID ROW
SKID ROW
ATLANTIC
Keep in mind, All Eyez On Me hasnt been updated in like over 7 years. Shits probably sold close to 11 or 12 million, and I wouldnt be surprised if it was unofficially the best selling rap album of all time by now. That album is STILL a hot back catalog seller even today. Its pushing more units (even though its 9 years old) then some of the more recent big selling rap albums like GRODT (which is only 2 years old).
"Greatest Hits" is probably diamond too, which would make Pac the first and only rapper to have TWO diamond albums.
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I thought Off The Wall sold more than 7 million ???
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I thought Off The Wall sold more than 7 million ???
i think this is just counting U.S. sales, worldwide it has sold over 7 million
thriller is still the biggest selling album worldwide though.
;D ;D ;D
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To be honest in Australia you would swear most of their albums were only released last year. There is a massive fan base over here of old and young, and due to the simplistic nature of their music not overly trying to suit a certain generation style, the fan base will only continue. Especially since there's meant to be a new AC/DC cd coming out, guaranteed to be another medicore release like everything in past 10yrs, but will still probably sell 10+million copies.
I'm a massive fan of the group, but the main thing that attracted me to listening to the band was the Bon Scott era. I really only liked about 4 albums from the Johnson era.
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Well no shit AC/DC has sold more total albums.
Michael Jackson releases:
Off The Wall
Thriller
Bad
Dangerous
History
Blood On The Dance Floor (remix album)
Invincible
#1 hits
6 albums, a remix album, and a greatest hits album. 8 albums total entire career, spanning nearly 30 years.
AC/DC: 30 year career
T.N.T.
High Voltage
Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap
Let There Be Rock
Powerage
If You Want Blood
Highway To Hell
Back In Black
For Those About To Rock
Flick Of The Switch
'74 Jailbreak
Fly On The Wall
Who Made Who
Blow Up Your Video
The Razors Edge
Live
Ballbreaker
Bonfire
Stiff Upper Lip
19 albums.
Instead of "AC/DC outsell Michael Jackson!!!" the title ought to read "Michael Jackson nearly outsells AC/DC despite only releasing a third as many albums!!!" but I guess that doesn't have as good of a ring to it.
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^in 10 years back in black will eclipse thriller
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Keep in mind, All Eyez On Me hasnt been updated in like over 7 years. Shits probably sold close to 11 or 12 million, and I wouldnt be surprised if it was unofficially the best selling rap album of all time by now. That album is STILL a hot back catalog seller even today. Its pushing more units (even though its 9 years old) then some of the more recent big selling rap albums like GRODT (which is only 2 years old).
"Greatest Hits" is probably diamond too, which would make Pac the first and only rapper to have TWO diamond albums.
no.. this is a JUST UPDATED list. this argument pac fan's use doesnt stand anymore...
you miss this bit?
The RIAA list was updated last week and indicates collective album sales for artists in the U.S. Of course
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Oh, and by the way, everybody knows the Elvis and Beatles records are fucked up, because there was a fire years ago that destroyed the album sales records up until that point for Elvis and the Beatles respectfully. They're both probably much higher.
actually.. you might be surprised.... back in the day most sales were from 7" singles.. albums didnt sell that amazingly
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Keep in mind, All Eyez On Me hasnt been updated in like over 7 years. Shits probably sold close to 11 or 12 million, and I wouldnt be surprised if it was unofficially the best selling rap album of all time by now. That album is STILL a hot back catalog seller even today. Its pushing more units (even though its 9 years old) then some of the more recent big selling rap albums like GRODT (which is only 2 years old).
"Greatest Hits" is probably diamond too, which would make Pac the first and only rapper to have TWO diamond albums.
no.. this is a JUST UPDATED list. this argument pac fan's use doesnt stand anymore...
you miss this bit?
The RIAA list was updated last week and indicates collective album sales for artists in the U.S. Of course
That doesnt mean anything, really.
The only thing that was updated was the total sales for the artists (and not even all of them were updated, only some of them), not individual albums. Albums are only updated if the label pays for the certification, and we all know how lazy Suge is. If the entire list was really updated, that would mean all or almost all the artists on the list would have gone up, but only some of them did.
ANYONE with common sense knows that All Eyez On Me, being a huge back catalog seller for nearly the last 6-7 years since it was certified 9X, has easily gone up at least a million (if not more) in that time period. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to know this, just simple logic. Im pretty sure that 2Pacalypse Now, Strictly, Thug Life Vol.1, Me Against the World, 7 Day Theory, and Greatest Hits have all gone up as well, though perhaps to a lesser degree as AEOM remains his most popular album.
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im pretty sure there's aliens out in the universe too, but until someone can post some proof.. these figures are all we have to go on
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lol.. deluded 2 pac fans eh... :D
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Well no shit AC/DC has sold more total albums.
Michael Jackson releases:
Off The Wall
Thriller
Bad
Dangerous
History
Blood On The Dance Floor (remix album)
Invincible
#1 hits
6 albums, a remix album, and a greatest hits album. 8 albums total entire career, spanning nearly 30 years.
AC/DC: 30 year career
T.N.T.
High Voltage
Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap
Let There Be Rock
Powerage
If You Want Blood
Highway To Hell
Back In Black
For Those About To Rock
Flick Of The Switch
'74 Jailbreak
Fly On The Wall
Who Made Who
Blow Up Your Video
The Razors Edge
Live
Ballbreaker
Bonfire
Stiff Upper Lip
19 albums.
Instead of "AC/DC outsell Michael Jackson!!!" the title ought to read "Michael Jackson nearly outsells AC/DC despite only releasing a third as many albums!!!" but I guess that doesn't have as good of a ring to it.
Why is it that you seem to forget about the 5 MJ albums pre Quincy Jones that you made sure to point out to me in another thread. Could it be because they didn't sell shit and they hurt yourcase n this thread?
So change 8 MJ albums to 12 or 13 MJ albums. Shit you can even throw the Jackson 5 Bullshit in there, and make the number more like 26 albums, and MJ still won't crack the top ten.
Enough with your excuses. AC/DC had only a fraction of the corperate support MJ had gotten. The same can be said for just about anyone else above MJ on that list. The guy had some catchy songs but lacked substance and soul. His "serious" songs were pretentious and souinded like they were written by a pre teen. With or with out his legal problems he'd be fading out as far as what new generations think of his music. With MJ songs what you see is what you get, nothing reveals itself with time or age, and they're going to be very dated soon enough. There's no hidden gems wit this guy either. You have huis tring of 7 or 8 huge singles and that's it. Unlike Elvis, who had his string of huge singles from the 50s and early 60s, but also had a plethora of gold with his live recordings and covers. MJ doesn't have that. As time goes by MJ will sell less and less while Elvis, the Beatles, and Zeppelin sell more and more.
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Well no shit AC/DC has sold more total albums.
Michael Jackson releases:
Off The Wall
Thriller
Bad
Dangerous
History
Blood On The Dance Floor (remix album)
Invincible
#1 hits
6 albums, a remix album, and a greatest hits album. 8 albums total entire career, spanning nearly 30 years.
AC/DC: 30 year career
T.N.T.
High Voltage
Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap
Let There Be Rock
Powerage
If You Want Blood
Highway To Hell
Back In Black
For Those About To Rock
Flick Of The Switch
'74 Jailbreak
Fly On The Wall
Who Made Who
Blow Up Your Video
The Razors Edge
Live
Ballbreaker
Bonfire
Stiff Upper Lip
19 albums.
Instead of "AC/DC outsell Michael Jackson!!!" the title ought to read "Michael Jackson nearly outsells AC/DC despite only releasing a third as many albums!!!" but I guess that doesn't have as good of a ring to it.
Why is it that you seem to forget about the 5 MJ albums pre Quincy Jones that you made sure to point out to me in another thread. Could it be because they didn't sell shit and they hurt yourcase n this thread?
So change 8 MJ albums to 12 or 13 MJ albums. Shit you can even throw the Jackson 5 Bullshit in there, and make the number more like 26 albums, and MJ still won't crack the top ten.
Enough with your excuses. AC/DC had only a fraction of the corperate support MJ had gotten. The same can be said for just about anyone else above MJ on that list. The guy had some catchy songs but lacked substance and soul. His "serious" songs were pretentious and souinded like they were written by a pre teen. With or with out his legal problems he'd be fading out as far as what new generations think of his music. With MJ songs what you see is what you get, nothing reveals itself with time or age, and they're going to be very dated soon enough. There's no hidden gems wit this guy either. You have huis tring of 7 or 8 huge singles and that's it. Unlike Elvis, who had his string of huge singles from the 50s and early 60s, but also had a plethora of gold with his live recordings and covers. MJ doesn't have that. As time goes by MJ will sell and less while Elvis, the Beatles, and Zeppelin sell more and more.
I have to agree.
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Well no shit AC/DC has sold more total albums.
Michael Jackson releases:
Off The Wall
Thriller
Bad
Dangerous
History
Blood On The Dance Floor (remix album)
Invincible
#1 hits
6 albums, a remix album, and a greatest hits album. 8 albums total entire career, spanning nearly 30 years.
AC/DC: 30 year career
T.N.T.
High Voltage
Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap
Let There Be Rock
Powerage
If You Want Blood
Highway To Hell
Back In Black
For Those About To Rock
Flick Of The Switch
'74 Jailbreak
Fly On The Wall
Who Made Who
Blow Up Your Video
The Razors Edge
Live
Ballbreaker
Bonfire
Stiff Upper Lip
19 albums.
Instead of "AC/DC outsell Michael Jackson!!!" the title ought to read "Michael Jackson nearly outsells AC/DC despite only releasing a third as many albums!!!" but I guess that doesn't have as good of a ring to it.
Why is it that you seem to forget about the 5 MJ albums pre Quincy Jones that you made sure to point out to me in another thread. Could it be because they didn't sell shit and they hurt yourcase n this thread?
So change 8 MJ albums to 12 or 13 MJ albums. Shit you can even throw the Jackson 5 Bullshit in there, and make the number more like 26 albums, and MJ still won't crack the top ten.
Alright, lets go by your numbers then, child. I'll kill you on your own shit.
Lets say Michael DID have 13 albums. That means he sold 59.5 million with 13 albums, which averages out to 4.57 million copies per album.
AC/DC have 19 albums, and have sold 66 million albums... which averages out to 3.47 million copies per album.
Conclusion: He still outsells them, even with your inflated numbers, dumbass.
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when you look at the sales for thriller a big chunk of the sales were from its initial release all the way to 85-86' ......which is fucking pheonominal don't get me wrong, but "Back in Black" and "led zeppelin IV" are selling consistantly through out the years if you look at the time of their releases they were double platnum selling albums, 5 years later 5 times platnum 10 years later 11 times, and ect. they just keep on selling.
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Well no shit AC/DC has sold more total albums.
Michael Jackson releases:
Off The Wall
Thriller
Bad
Dangerous
History
Blood On The Dance Floor (remix album)
Invincible
#1 hits
6 albums, a remix album, and a greatest hits album. 8 albums total entire career, spanning nearly 30 years.
AC/DC: 30 year career
T.N.T.
High Voltage
Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap
Let There Be Rock
Powerage
If You Want Blood
Highway To Hell
Back In Black
For Those About To Rock
Flick Of The Switch
'74 Jailbreak
Fly On The Wall
Who Made Who
Blow Up Your Video
The Razors Edge
Live
Ballbreaker
Bonfire
Stiff Upper Lip
19 albums.
Instead of "AC/DC outsell Michael Jackson!!!" the title ought to read "Michael Jackson nearly outsells AC/DC despite only releasing a third as many albums!!!" but I guess that doesn't have as good of a ring to it.
Why is it that you seem to forget about the 5 MJ albums pre Quincy Jones that you made sure to point out to me in another thread. Could it be because they didn't sell shit and they hurt yourcase n this thread?
So change 8 MJ albums to 12 or 13 MJ albums. Shit you can even throw the Jackson 5 Bullshit in there, and make the number more like 26 albums, and MJ still won't crack the top ten.
Alright, lets go by your numbers then, child. I'll kill you on your own shit.
Lets say Michael DID have 13 albums. That means he sold 59.5 million with 13 albums, which averages out to 4.57 million copies per album.
AC/DC have 19 albums, and have sold 66 million albums... which averages out to 3.47 million copies per album.
Conclusion: He still outsells them, even with your inflated numbers, dumbass.
But he should outsell them as far as per album goes. Don't you get what I mean? He had the machine behind him the whole way. How many big time videos did AC/DC have? How many NBC premieres did their record label pay for? Arnold Schwarzenegger and Jim Carrey make more monet per movie than Johnny Depp or Dustin Hoffman, does that mean anything other than the latter two didn't get the main stream attention as the former? Maybe in your world Arnie is better than Johnny Depp, who knows?
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when you look at the sales for thriller a big chunk of the sales were from its initial release all the way to 85-86' ......which is fucking pheonominal don't get me wrong, but "Back in Black" and "led zeppelin IV" are selling consistantly through out the years if you look at the time of their releases they were double platnum selling albums, 5 years later 5 times platnum 10 years later 11 times, and ect. they just keep on selling.
How does that change the numbers, though? As it stands now, like I said, Michael has sold more if you factor in the amount of albums involved, it's cut and dry. I could give a fuck when they sold what, that's not the point. The point was the way the thing is written is misleading.
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Well no shit AC/DC has sold more total albums.
Michael Jackson releases:
Off The Wall
Thriller
Bad
Dangerous
History
Blood On The Dance Floor (remix album)
Invincible
#1 hits
6 albums, a remix album, and a greatest hits album. 8 albums total entire career, spanning nearly 30 years.
AC/DC: 30 year career
T.N.T.
High Voltage
Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap
Let There Be Rock
Powerage
If You Want Blood
Highway To Hell
Back In Black
For Those About To Rock
Flick Of The Switch
'74 Jailbreak
Fly On The Wall
Who Made Who
Blow Up Your Video
The Razors Edge
Live
Ballbreaker
Bonfire
Stiff Upper Lip
19 albums.
Instead of "AC/DC outsell Michael Jackson!!!" the title ought to read "Michael Jackson nearly outsells AC/DC despite only releasing a third as many albums!!!" but I guess that doesn't have as good of a ring to it.
Why is it that you seem to forget about the 5 MJ albums pre Quincy Jones that you made sure to point out to me in another thread. Could it be because they didn't sell shit and they hurt yourcase n this thread?
So change 8 MJ albums to 12 or 13 MJ albums. Shit you can even throw the Jackson 5 Bullshit in there, and make the number more like 26 albums, and MJ still won't crack the top ten.
Alright, lets go by your numbers then, child. I'll kill you on your own shit.
Lets say Michael DID have 13 albums. That means he sold 59.5 million with 13 albums, which averages out to 4.57 million copies per album.
AC/DC have 19 albums, and have sold 66 million albums... which averages out to 3.47 million copies per album.
Conclusion: He still outsells them, even with your inflated numbers, dumbass.
But he should outsell them as far as per album goes. Don't you get what I mean? He had the machine behind him the whole way. How many big time videos did AC/DC have? How many NBC premieres did their record label pay for? Arnold Schwarzenegger and Jim Carrey make more monet per movie than Johnny Depp or Dustin Hoffman, does that mean anything other than the latter two didn't get the main stream attention as the former? Maybe in your world Arnie is better than Johnny Depp, who knows?
lol you really seem to be obsessed with puttin down MJ and what he achieved. First you say certain artists sold more than him, you get proven wrong / your point irrelevant, then you turn around and say sales don't mean shit cause MJ got way better promotion ? make up your mind before you try to hate next time
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Well no shit AC/DC has sold more total albums.
Michael Jackson releases:
Off The Wall
Thriller
Bad
Dangerous
History
Blood On The Dance Floor (remix album)
Invincible
#1 hits
6 albums, a remix album, and a greatest hits album. 8 albums total entire career, spanning nearly 30 years.
AC/DC: 30 year career
T.N.T.
High Voltage
Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap
Let There Be Rock
Powerage
If You Want Blood
Highway To Hell
Back In Black
For Those About To Rock
Flick Of The Switch
'74 Jailbreak
Fly On The Wall
Who Made Who
Blow Up Your Video
The Razors Edge
Live
Ballbreaker
Bonfire
Stiff Upper Lip
19 albums.
Instead of "AC/DC outsell Michael Jackson!!!" the title ought to read "Michael Jackson nearly outsells AC/DC despite only releasing a third as many albums!!!" but I guess that doesn't have as good of a ring to it.
Why is it that you seem to forget about the 5 MJ albums pre Quincy Jones that you made sure to point out to me in another thread. Could it be because they didn't sell shit and they hurt yourcase n this thread?
So change 8 MJ albums to 12 or 13 MJ albums. Shit you can even throw the Jackson 5 Bullshit in there, and make the number more like 26 albums, and MJ still won't crack the top ten.
Alright, lets go by your numbers then, child. I'll kill you on your own shit.
Lets say Michael DID have 13 albums. That means he sold 59.5 million with 13 albums, which averages out to 4.57 million copies per album.
AC/DC have 19 albums, and have sold 66 million albums... which averages out to 3.47 million copies per album.
Conclusion: He still outsells them, even with your inflated numbers, dumbass.
But he should outsell them as far as per album goes. Don't you get what I mean? He had the machine behind him the whole way. How many big time videos did AC/DC have? How many NBC premieres did their record label pay for? Arnold Schwarzenegger and Jim Carrey make more monet per movie than Johnny Depp or Dustin Hoffman, does that mean anything other than the latter two didn't get the main stream attention as the former? Maybe in your world Arnie is better than Johnny Depp, who knows?
We're not talking about personal opinion, we're just talking about fact. The entire post is about fact, the factual data concerning album sales. I could talk to you until I'm blue in the face about who's better or who had more promotion or who had bigger videos or blah blah whatever the fuck, but that's all irrelevant. I showed you that your bullshit numbers were fucked up, and then you move the goalposts... maybe something like that would work with an amateur, but since you're dealing with a legend, you should try something a little more concrete next time you want to try to bullshit somebody.
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But he should outsell them as far as per album goes. Don't you get what I mean? He had the machine behind him the whole way. How many big time videos did AC/DC have? How many NBC premieres did their record label pay for? Arnold Schwarzenegger and Jim Carrey make more monet per movie than Johnny Depp or Dustin Hoffman, does that mean anything other than the latter two didn't get the main stream attention as the former? Maybe in your world Arnie is better than Johnny Depp, who knows?
Yer i know what you mean. They weren't really cared for up until around the 1978 period, Rolling Stone labeled them as just a bunch of rude Australian's after High Voltage was released and Dirty Deads Done Dirt Cheap was banned for 5years in the US up until 1981.
The fact that ACDC made 11 more albums than Jackson, shows a bit more dedication towards to making music i think
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when you look at the sales for thriller a big chunk of the sales were from its initial release all the way to 85-86' ......which is fucking pheonominal don't get me wrong, but "Back in Black" and "led zeppelin IV" are selling consistantly through out the years if you look at the time of their releases they were double platnum selling albums, 5 years later 5 times platnum 10 years later 11 times, and ect. they just keep on selling.
How does that change the numbers, though? As it stands now, like I said, Michael has sold more if you factor in the amount of albums involved, it's cut and dry. I could give a fuck when they sold what, that's not the point. The point was the way the thing is written is misleading.
The point he was trying to make was that Led Zeppelin 4 and Back in Black based on their pace should be at the top of the list in the future because MJ is slowing down compared to them. Also, Zep has less albums than Jackson and they're way ahead.
lol you really seem to be obsessed with puttin down MJ and what he achieved. First you say certain artists sold more than him, you get proven wrong / your point irrelevant, then you turn around and say sales don't mean shit cause MJ got way better promotion ? make up your mind before you try to hate next time
I'm not hating on anything. I sate the obvious when it comes to MJ's sucess and I state my opinion when it comes to his talent. I was never proven wrong. AC/DC has sold a higher total of albums in the US than MJ. This is a fact. I never said MJ has alower avergae per album.
We're not talking about personal opinion, we're just talking about fact. The entire post is about fact, the factual data concerning album sales. I could talk to you until I'm blue in the face about who's better or who had more promotion or who had bigger videos or blah blah whatever the fuck, but that's all irrelevant. I showed you that your bullshit numbers were fucked up, and then you move the goalposts... maybe something like that would work with an amateur, but since you're dealing with a legend, you should try something a little more concrete next time you want to try to bullshit somebody.
But promotion and more album sales go hand in hand dummy. That was my point. Who's to say how much more AC/DC could have sold with the proper company promoting them or how much less MJ would have sold if he stayed on Motown?
My bullshit number are not 1)fucked up, and 2)not even mine they're RIAA's and I didn't even post them. I told you to add the motown stuff and the Jackson 5 stuff and that is 25+ albums while AC/DC has as you said 19 albums. You lose no matter how you slice it.
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lol you really seem to be obsessed with puttin down MJ and what he achieved. First you say certain artists sold more than him, you get proven wrong / your point irrelevant, then you turn around and say sales don't mean shit cause MJ got way better promotion ? make up your mind before you try to hate next time
I'm not hating on anything. I sate the obvious when it comes to MJ's sucess and I state my opinion when it comes to his talent. I was never proven wrong. AC/DC has sold a higher total of albums in the US than MJ. This is a fact. I never said MJ has alower avergae per album.
that's why I said "/ your point [is proven] irrelevant"
you mentioned MJ's old albums to discredit the point that was brought up about him selling more units per album but what you mentioned didn't make a difference so you came back saying that's only cause of his promotion which doesn't have anything to do with that point at all.
You do seem a lil bitter when it comes to MJ (not only in this thread)
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lol you really seem to be obsessed with puttin down MJ and what he achieved. First you say certain artists sold more than him, you get proven wrong / your point irrelevant, then you turn around and say sales don't mean shit cause MJ got way better promotion ? make up your mind before you try to hate next time
I'm not hating on anything. I sate the obvious when it comes to MJ's sucess and I state my opinion when it comes to his talent. I was never proven wrong. AC/DC has sold a higher total of albums in the US than MJ. This is a fact. I never said MJ has alower avergae per album.
that's why I said "/ your point [is proven] irrelevant"
you mentioned MJ's old albums to discredit the point that was brought up about him selling more units per album but what you mentioned didn't make a difference so you came back saying that's only cause of his promotion which doesn't have anything to do with that point at all.
You do seem a lil bitter when it comes to MJ (not only in this thread)
Yeah the but difference in sales isn't so drastic. I mentioned the promotion because it has a lot do with the sales.
But you if you add the Jackson 5 stuff it does make a difference. I'm not bitter on MJ, I'm bitter on Trauma because he lusts for MJ sexually. I think MJ is a good artist with good songs and good talent. I just don't think he is above and beyond all other artists and I certainly don't think he is any kind of genius. Albert Einstein and Isaac Newton were geniuses. Michael Jackson? Just a musician with nice looking dance moves.
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Yeah the but difference in sales isn't so drastic. I mentioned the promotion because it has a lot do with the sales.
But you if you add the Jackson 5 stuff it does make a difference. I'm not bitter on MJ, I'm bitter on Trauma because he lusts for MJ sexually. I think MJ is a good artist with good songs and good talent. I just don't think he is above and beyond all other artists and I certainly don't think he is any kind of genius. Albert Einstein and Isaac Newton were geniuses. Michael Jackson? Just a musician with nice looking dance moves.
well those are totally different things, let's talk about musical geniuses, MJ would have to be one. Ain't no denying that his singin is great, nobody got his singin style (goin from the softest to the hardest), nobody's making them sounds he makes with his mouth and it all fits perfectly. There's too much different music to consider any single artist the best but he's amongst the best, not just "good", that's evident imo.
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I really don't consider musical genius as genius. I guess a guy like Beethoven coiuld be considered as such since he wrote music with out being able to hear it, and Mozart gets more than his share of acclaim, but when I think of genius I think of inventing a machine that allows a man to fly, or calculating the circumference of the earth using a pole and a shadow cast by the sun, not writing catchy tunes that the world loves to dance to, or writing lyrics that connect with people in a personal way.
P.S. Freddie Mercury sang a lot like MJ (before MJ), and James Brown, Jerry Lee Lewis, and Little Richard made some nice noises from their mouths too. He's good none the less, maybe even great but when he gets over praised, when anyone gets over praised, I take it upon myself to bring a little balance to the discussion. I may seem to bash MJ here because off all the praise he gets but amongst people that call him absolute shit I'll appear to praise him.
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when you look at the sales for thriller a big chunk of the sales were from its initial release all the way to 85-86' ......which is fucking pheonominal don't get me wrong, but "Back in Black" and "led zeppelin IV" are selling consistantly through out the years if you look at the time of their releases they were double platnum selling albums, 5 years later 5 times platnum 10 years later 11 times, and ect. they just keep on selling.
How does that change the numbers, though? As it stands now, like I said, Michael has sold more if you factor in the amount of albums involved, it's cut and dry. I could give a fuck when they sold what, that's not the point. The point was the way the thing is written is misleading.
my point was that when MJ sold all them albums he had all the promotion behind him for those years. now that the promotion is over and the album is getting older and older the numbers have drastically slowed down. then you got Back in Black and IV, with virtually no promotion at all, now or then, and they're selling more and more as the years go by.
promotion can only carry an album so far, but Quality can carry an album on forever
i ain't saying that thriller isn't a classic, cuz it DEFINATELY is but it's definately not the best of all albums
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I really don't consider musical genius as genius.
i sure do, i've been studying music now for 6 years and i aswell as many many people around the globe consider it to be a definate science. In many ways it's probably one of the most complex sciences and this is considering that their are only 7 notes in music, music has been around forever and people are still finding new way to arrange these 7 same notes differently that's genius in the highest form of it. then you got people creating new sounds and shit, it's JUST like inventers creating the light bulb and creating airplanes and rockets and shit, it's turning the virtually impossible into the possible
then on your second point you can't forget about prince when it comes to the whole voice thing
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12 notes in music nucca.
1. A
2. A#/Bb
3. B
4. C
5. C#/Db
6. D
7. D#/Eb
8. E
9. F
10. F#/Gb
11. G
12. G#/Ab
The point about promotion is spot on though. As always Pop will sell more than Rock no matter what. I mean look at 50 Cent, now no one can doubt that 50 is a pop artist right now, he's selling more than a band like Velvet Revolver or Mars Volta but there is no doubting who the better artists are. Its the same thing as this Crazy Frog who managed to keep Coldplay off No1 over here and as much as i dont like Coldplay there is no doubting that the only reason the frog got to No1 was because it was promoted right.
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7 basic notes...all the flats and sharps are bridges between the basic notes
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the first figure is how many times platinum...
10.0
LIFE AFTER DEATH
NOTORIOUS B.I.G.
BAD BOY/ARISTA
10 x plat.. where is pac? ;)
9.0
ALL EYEZ ON ME
2 PAC
DEATH ROW/INTERSCOPE
9.0
GREATEST HITS
2 PAC
INTERSCOPE
8.0
THE EMINEM SHOW
EMINEM
INTERSCOPE
6.0
DR. DRE 2001
DR. DRE
INTERSCOPE
5.0
HARD KNOCK LIFE, VOLUME 2
JAY-Z
ROC-A-FELLA
album i own and surprised were up there are..
8.0
THROWING COPPER
LIVE
RADIOACTIVE
5.0
SKID ROW
SKID ROW
ATLANTIC
Keep in mind, All Eyez On Me hasnt been updated in like over 7 years. Shits probably sold close to 11 or 12 million, and I wouldnt be surprised if it was unofficially the best selling rap album of all time by now. That album is STILL a hot back catalog seller even today. Its pushing more units (even though its 9 years old) then some of the more recent big selling rap albums like GRODT (which is only 2 years old).
"Greatest Hits" is probably diamond too, which would make Pac the first and only rapper to have TWO diamond albums.
Yeah i was thinking that too when i saw the numbers. AEOM and Greatest Hits have to be diamond by now