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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: R-Tistic on June 29, 2005, 11:35:30 AM
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Almost a year and a half ago, I compiled the 100 Greatest west coast songs of all time. http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=47853.0 Overall, it turned out very successful, and there were people I knew in person who knew about the list and I didn't even knew that they visited this website, so it probably floated around to other sites.
So...I don't even know why I'm asking, but I will anyway...who's down to do a list of the 50 Greatest West Coast albums of all time? Drop any ideas or suggestions you have for the voting and structure and all of that. I'd probably make it similar to the top 100 songs, by having everyone submit their top 20 albums, plus any others they feel are worthy of recognition. If I do this, I say it probably won't be ready for about a month, maybe even longer, because I am busy as hell right now, but I just wanted to throw the idea out. I was re-inspired from seeing the top 50 non-west coast songs of all time in the outbound connections. So let me know what you think.
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um....how bout u give a week to submit nominees or how ever long u want to be......den everybody votes on dem.....to get ppl to vote say ull put a thanks column at da bottom of each of da topics for da album thhing.........
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I think its a great idea, and will most likely be as successful as the top 100 songs you did ;)
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01. Souls of Mischief - '93 Til Infinity
02. Snoop Dogg - Doggystyle
03. Dr. Dre - The Chronic
Damn man, it's too hard....Can I just drop a top 3?
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um....how bout u give a week to submit nominees or how ever long u want to be......den everybody votes on dem.....to get ppl to vote say ull put a thanks column at da bottom of each of da topics for da album thhing.........
Good idea, I might find a way to incorporate that in there. It's always hard doing things like this. Usually, the top 3 results for any kind of survey are always the same, and the #1 song is usually waaaay ahead of the #2 one. It gets hardest after 5, and especially after 10, when many songs end up having the same amount of results.
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This forum isn't big enough for that I don't think. With the people going here, there's no way you'll have 50 different west coast albums being submitted, let alone being able to really rank them properly. Something such as a top 20 would be nice though. Just have everyone to drop their favorite 5 to you in a pm or something?
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I think its a great idea, and will most likely be as successful as the top 100 songs you did ;)
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I think its a great idea, and will most likely be as successful as the top 100 songs you did ;)
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you've got a lot of work ahead of you
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1. Dr. Dre - Chronic 2001
2. Dr. Dre - The Chronic
3. Snoop Dogg - Doggystyle
It gets fuckin hard after three... >:(
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How is it going to based on?
1.Is it going to be based on how 'Great' and an album is by impact and influnence like C2Knuckes list?
2.Is it going to be based on the 'best' albums by quality and skill?
3.Is it going to be personal favorites?
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This forum isn't big enough for that I don't think. With the people going here, there's no way you'll have 50 different west coast albums being submitted, let alone being able to really rank them properly. Something such as a top 20 would be nice though. Just have everyone to drop their favorite 5 to you in a pm or something?
To tell the truth, I think I'd end up havin 150+ different CDs by the time I tallied it all up. If 40+ people submitted, i'd get at least 120 CDs if not more. I just think it would be hard to rank 20-50
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this should be dope..
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How is it going to based on?
1.Is it going to be based on how 'Great' and an album is by impact and influnence like C2Knuckes list?
2.Is it going to be based on the 'best' albums by quality and skill?
3.Is it going to be personal favorites?
Nah, it would be strictly based on the votes of the dubcc members, and maybe a few close others. I am not qualified 2 do one by impact n influence, and it would probably be too controversial and basically just too hard to do. I'd help collaborate with Dubcc, wcrydaz, or whoever if they all wanted to get a panel together to put together a real list of 50, but this one here is basically just from the opinions of the members here.
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It would be good if someone from each of the main WC rap site could do one. Then they could be combined into one big one. It would give the bay and other areas better coverage as boards like Siccness are more bay orintated.
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Alright...I'll probably set up the nomination thread in a few days, so y'all can start thinkin about what albums you'd be looking at nominating. I'll do it the same...I'll want 20 albums, all ranked in order from 1-20 but doesn't have to be EXAAACT so don't stress that, then you can list anywhere up to 25 or 30 other albums after those 20 if you want to.
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Alright...I'll probably set up the nomination thread in a few days, so y'all can start thinkin about what albums you'd be looking at nominating. I'll do it the same...I'll want 20 albums, all ranked in order from 1-20 but doesn't have to be EXAAACT so don't stress that, then you can list anywhere up to 25 or 30 other albums after those 20 if you want to.
Just as I was about to propose that ;D
Should be hot. I realised only posting 5 albums each would be a bit eeeh, because everyone would be mentioning the same albums.
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Everyone should send in a top 20 or something, not just on vote on 1 album from a huge list, cause then many albums will have 0 votes.
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soundz cool enough..... hope it's not as bad as dat 100 top songz list doe........
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How is it going to based on?
1.Is it going to be based on how 'Great' and an album is by impact and influnence like C2Knuckes list?
2.Is it going to be based on the 'best' albums by quality and skill?
3.Is it going to be personal favorites?
Nah, it would be strictly based on the votes of the dubcc members, and maybe a few close others. I am not qualified 2 do one by impact n influence, and it would probably be too controversial and basically just too hard to do. I'd help collaborate with Dubcc, wcrydaz, or whoever if they all wanted to get a panel together to put together a real list of 50, but this one here is basically just from the opinions of the members here.
Kay, so is it gunna be my favorite albums or what albums I feel are the best?
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Just a few to consider....
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DOC ain't westcoast homeboy
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........... in order
1. Snoop Dogg - Doggystyle
2. Dr. Dre - The Chronic
3. Dogg Pound - Dogg Food
4. DJ Quik - Safe+ Sound
5. Warren G - Regulate..... G Funk Era
6. DJ Quik - Rhythm-al-lism
7. MC Eiht - We Come Strapped
8. Twinz - Conversation
9. Foesum - Perfection
10. Kam - Made In America
11. Rappin 4-Tay - Off Parole
12. Spice 1 - 187 He Wrote
13. South Central Cartel - All Day Everyday
14. Luniz - Operation Stackola
15. BG Knocc Out & Gangsta Dresta - Real Brothas
16. N.W.A. - Straight Outta Compton
17. Westside Connection - Bow Down
18. Above The Law - Uncle Sam's Curse
19. Dru Down - Explicit Game
20. Celly Cel - Killa Kali..............dea'z a top 20 from me....haha i wonder how high documentary will go shouldn't be even close on a top 50 westcoast albumz list......
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It's been two days and only one person could come up with 20 albums. I don't see this working out well.
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It's been two days and only one person could come up with 20 albums. I don't see this working out well.
Maybe because it hasn't even started yet. I donno why they put theirs up already, but that thread won't open for a couple of days. This was just the thread givin the idea out.
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dr. dre-2001
dr. dre-the Chronic
SNoop Dogg- Doggystyle
Snoop Dogg- tha last meal
tha dogg pound-Dogg Food
Warren G.- Regulate...the g funk era
xzibit-at the speed of life
xzibit-40 days and 40 nights
xzibit-restless
Kurupt-streetz iz a mutha
dj quik-safe and sound
dj quik-way 2 fonky
spice 1-187 he wrote
dj quik-quik iz the name
Ice Cube-Death Certificate
Ice Cube-Amerikkkaz most wanted
Ice Cube-The PReditor
NWA-Straight Outta Compton
NWA-efil4zaggin
Westside Connection-Bow Down
W.C.-the shadiest one
2pac-me agaisnt the world
2pac-all eyez on me
2pac-makaveli the don killuminati th 7 day theory
Nate Dogg- G FUnk Classics Vol 1 and 2
too short-life is too short
cypress hill-cypress hill
cypress hill-black sunday
the pharcyde-bizzare ride to the pharcyde
ATL-black mafia life
ice t-og original gangsta
digital underground-sex packets
eazy e-its on dr. dre 187 um killa
eazy e-eazy duz it
diolated peoples-the platform
dolated peoples-expansion team
del-i wish my rbother george was here
CMW-music to driveby
Aceyalone-all balls dont' Bounce
AMG-Bitch Better have my money
Freestyle Fellowship-inner city griots
Freestyle Fellowship-to whom it may concern
king Tee-At your own Risk
KinG tee-act a Fool
Mc eiht-we come strapped
Murder was the Case Soundtrack
tha liks-21 and over
ras kass-soul on ice
the game -the documentary
just arrange all those how you want to
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dr. dre-2001
dr. dre-the Chronic
SNoop Dogg- Doggystyle
Snoop Dogg- tha last meal
tha dogg pound-Dogg Food
Warren G.- Regulate...the g funk era
xzibit-at the speed of life
xzibit-40 days and 40 nights
xzibit-restless
Kurupt-streetz iz a mutha
dj quik-safe and sound
dj quik-way 2 fonky
spice 1-187 he wrote
dj quik-quik iz the name
Ice Cube-Death Certificate
Ice Cube-Amerikkkaz most wanted
Ice Cube-The PReditor
NWA-Straight Outta Compton
NWA-efil4zaggin
Westside Connection-Bow Down
W.C.-the shadiest one
2pac-me agaisnt the world
2pac-all eyez on me
2pac-makaveli the don killuminati th 7 day theory
Nate Dogg- G FUnk Classics Vol 1 and 2
too short-life is too short
cypress hill-cypress hill
cypress hill-black sunday
the pharcyde-bizzare ride to the pharcyde
ATL-black mafia life
ice t-og original gangsta
digital underground-sex packets
eazy e-its on dr. dre 187 um killa
eazy e-eazy duz it
diolated peoples-the platform
dolated peoples-expansion team
del-i wish my rbother george was here
CMW-music to driveby
Aceyalone-all balls dont' Bounce
AMG-Bitch Better have my money
Freestyle Fellowship-inner city griots
Freestyle Fellowship-to whom it may concern
king Tee-At your own Risk
KinG tee-act a Fool
Mc eiht-we come strapped
Murder was the Case Soundtrack
tha liks-21 and over
ras kass-soul on ice
the game -the documentary
just arrange all those how you want to
This isn't the voting thread.
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How the fuck you can put The Game in there i dont know.
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DOC ain't westcoast homeboy
Everyone keeps mentioning No One Can Do It Better in their top 20 lists ... :-X
Actually, just because he wasn't born there, does that mean he's not westcoast?
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nah
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What i should have said is yeah, he does count as westcoast.
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Personally....I can definitely see some people putting Game in their Top 20s, and I might even put it in there when I finally think of my list. It's hard comparing that album to the many other classics the west has put out, but depending on the taste of the person judging it, it can make a lotta sense. Many younger heads would definitely put Game in their list versus the older classics that old heads love the most. And for west coast fans who like east coast rap a lot, they probably love Game's album and definitely see it as a great album. It doesn't have many weakpoints about it, and is much more consistent than a whole lot of albums, and even some of the best west coast albums had some weak spots and songs you skip over when you play them.
I think I am gonna include DOC in the countdown...it was real hard for me to decide because he's from Texas, but I bet most people in Texas who are 21 and younger think he's west coast and have no idea he's from Texas, just like most people think MC Breed is from CA.
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Personally....I can definitely see some people putting Game in their Top 20s, and I might even put it in there when I finally think of my list. It's hard comparing that album to the many other classics the west has put out, but depending on the taste of the person judging it, it can make a lotta sense. Many younger heads would definitely put Game in their list versus the older classics that old heads love the most. And for west coast fans who like east coast rap a lot, they probably love Game's album and definitely see it as a great album. It doesn't have many weakpoints about it, and is much more consistent than a whole lot of albums, and even some of the best west coast albums had some weak spots and songs you skip over when you play them.
I think I am gonna include DOC in the countdown...it was real hard for me to decide because he's from Texas, but I bet most people in Texas who are 21 and younger think he's west coast and have no idea he's from Texas, just like most people think MC Breed is from CA.
i dunno bout dat..... the game had tons of weak spots on his album.... and personally i can think of like 150 westcoast albumz off da top of my head that are better.....If you put game in your top 20 it'z obvious you haven't herd much west coast albumz.....
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^ yes
Game repeated so much shit, he did the name dropping thing way tooo many times....but thats whats wrong with these polls, not everyone has heard a wide amount of shit and so sadly u will get people who list THE DOCUMENTARY in there top 20 but havent even heard albums like King T - Thy Kingdom Come, which to me is a westcoast classic, yes it could have been polished alot, but its still a gem to me..
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You coulda heard 200,000 west coast albums, but that doesn't mean that you might not feel that Game's should be top 20...most of y'all always accuse people who don't share your same views of being too young, or not hearin enough music, when that's not always the case. I'm not just speakin for myself, but for many others around. You have to take many things into account...for one, things you might consider to be a weakpoint on Game's album may not mean anything to somebody else, and then there are people who consider Chronic and Doggystyle to have many weakpoints that most of us definitely don't see as being weakpoints. My homeboy around the corner is 18, but TV and radio raised him and he didn't get into rap til 98-99, versus me who's just 20 but musically was raised by the dudes in the neighborhood and at school and got into rap in 92-93. With him, he doesn't even think Chronic, Straight outta Compton and Doggystyle are that impressive to him. He likes all Jay-Z albums better than them, he likes Nate's music and me better, and even though he knows it's nowhere near as influential, he'd rather listen to Game's album than those. Now most of us, including me at times, wanna just slap him in the face and we would all call him an idiot, but music taste is all defined by what you are raised on. I've played him all the classic (in my eyes) west coast albums, and since he didn't get into rap til 98-99, he just can't get into those albums as much. So it's many people who are similar to him and just don't get into a lot of other albums. Even like "King T" I'll admit in a second, I've never heard his album, and if I heard it at this point in time, I probably wouldn't get into it a whole lot since I'm hearin it so late. But I'm sure that if I was older and I heard it when it dropped, I'd think it was much better than Game's album.
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As a whole, the west coast is wack, but it has it's hot spots. That being everything released by Cube and 2Pac, The first Chronic, Doggy Style, Dogg Food, Black Sunday. I won't say everything else out of West is wack but I'll say 90% is. Can't give credit of Em and G unity to west or theid be on the list as well.
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You coulda heard 200,000 west coast albums, but that doesn't mean that you might not feel that Game's should be top 20...most of y'all always accuse people who don't share your same views of being too young, or not hearin enough music, when that's not always the case. I'm not just speakin for myself, but for many others around. You have to take many things into account...for one, things you might consider to be a weakpoint on Game's album may not mean anything to somebody else, and then there are people who consider Chronic and Doggystyle to have many weakpoints that most of us definitely don't see as being weakpoints. My homeboy around the corner is 18, but TV and radio raised him and he didn't get into rap til 98-99, versus me who's just 20 but musically was raised by the dudes in the neighborhood and at school and got into rap in 92-93. With him, he doesn't even think Chronic, Straight outta Compton and Doggystyle are that impressive to him. He likes all Jay-Z albums better than them, he likes Nate's music and me better, and even though he knows it's nowhere near as influential, he'd rather listen to Game's album than those. Now most of us, including me at times, wanna just slap him in the face and we would all call him an idiot, but music taste is all defined by what you are raised on. I've played him all the classic (in my eyes) west coast albums, and since he didn't get into rap til 98-99, he just can't get into those albums as much. So it's many people who are similar to him and just don't get into a lot of other albums. Even like "King T" I'll admit in a second, I've never heard his album, and if I heard it at this point in time, I probably wouldn't get into it a whole lot since I'm hearin it so late. But I'm sure that if I was older and I heard it when it dropped, I'd think it was much better than Game's album.
wow, you've never heard a king T album? dude tha kingdom come dropped like a couple of years ago, and it is much better than games album. funny how in the first part of your post you said these guys accused people of being too young or not hearing enuff music, but thats not the case...then you went on with your post, and that is exactly the case, lol.
Its obvious that you have not heard much rap if game is in the top 20. Tray Deee is my fav rapper, and I don't even think I would put an eastsidaz album in my top 50.
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wow, you've never heard a king T album? dude tha kingdom come dropped like a couple of years ago, and it is much better than games album. funny how in the first part of your post you said these guys accused people of being too young or not hearing enuff music, but thats not the case...then you went on with your post, and that is exactly the case, lol.
Its obvious that you have not heard much rap if game is in the top 20. Tray Deee is my fav rapper, and I don't even think I would put an eastsidaz album in my top 50.
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Hey R-Tistic dont get me wrong, im not hating on anyone, or being a dick because no one agrees with my lists, im just stating that there are so many albums better than the games, many can vouch for me on that....
and that King T album dropped in 2002 (it was meant to be released in 98 I think) check it out great production by Dre, Quik, Ant Banks, Battlecat etc and we all know about T' s rappin so.......
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King T's album fell on deaf ears. It made zero impact.
The Game's album is one of the biggest westcoast albums in years.
I'd put The Game's album higher for sure.
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King T's album fell on deaf ears. It made zero impact.
The Game's album is one of the biggest westcoast albums in years.
I'd put The Game's album higher for sure.
Lil Jon has made a much bigger 'impact' than DJ Quik or Ant Banks.
would you list him higher then those 2 aswell?
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vanilla ice and mc hammer both made a bigger impact than the game. who gives a fuck about impact. impact can have nothing to do with how good the music is.
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Hey R-Tistic, I just realized why you favor The Game. Correct me if I am wrong, but was it you that produced a song for The Game?
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wow, you've never heard a king T album? dude tha kingdom come dropped like a couple of years ago, and it is much better than games album. funny how in the first part of your post you said these guys accused people of being too young or not hearing enuff music, but thats not the case...then you went on with your post, and that is exactly the case, lol.
Its obvious that you have not heard much rap if game is in the top 20. Tray Deee is my fav rapper, and I don't even think I would put an eastsidaz album in my top 50.
I said I hadn't heard THAT King T album, I heard the album with played like a piano a long time ago. Saying that somebody hasn't heard enough rap to put Game in their top 20 is completely absurd for a few reasons. For one...as I said, it all depends on YOUR taste, and many people may favor the style of music that Game is doin and that the album has versus what is on many of the older west coast albums have. I have heard hundreds and maybe thousands of rap albums before, and with west coast shit I've heard a whole lot of albums. Thing is, regardless of where I place Game's album, these albums all have many pluses and minuses to them, and it depends what you value more. Doggystyle is my favorite album ever, but I'll admit, he wasn't talkin about SHIT relevant on most songs. He was just flowin, yappin about nothin on a lotta songs, but I could care less, because it's still my favorite album. I'm nothing near a Game bandwagoner, but I think I view his album in a different light than many of y'all. Even amongst all the name droppin he did, it is a very very very solid and above average album. Great singles, great production, strong lyrics on some songs, and had very mass appeal to it, which is somethin most west coast albums don't have. Many of y'all just have completely different taste from what I do. I always say I have a commercially west coast ear, and that's what appeals most to me.
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wow, you've never heard a king T album? dude tha kingdom come dropped like a couple of years ago, and it is much better than games album. funny how in the first part of your post you said these guys accused people of being too young or not hearing enuff music, but thats not the case...then you went on with your post, and that is exactly the case, lol.
Its obvious that you have not heard much rap if game is in the top 20. Tray Deee is my fav rapper, and I don't even think I would put an eastsidaz album in my top 50.
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Hey R-Tistic dont get me wrong, im not hating on anyone, or being a dick because no one agrees with my lists, im just stating that there are so many albums better than the games, many can vouch for me on that....
and that King T album dropped in 2002 (it was meant to be released in 98 I think) check it out great production by Dre, Quik, Ant Banks, Battlecat etc and we all know about T' s rappin so.......
Many could also vouch for me if I did say Game was Top 20, so that doesn't say much. It's NO WAY POSSIBLE for anybody to really tell somebody that an album is BETTER period, because that is all subjective to the person judging the albums. To me, I don't really go by any criteria, I just judge how much an album moves me, and how much I want to listen to it and discuss it and play it for other people like "ey you heard this new shit?" If you feel it's 100 west coast albums better than Game's, then you do, and I won't argue with it. But I'll NEVER tell you that any album is better than another one, but say it as if it's a fact and not just opinion.
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Hey R-Tistic, I just realized why you favor The Game. Correct me if I am wrong, but was it you that produced a song for The Game?
Yeah, but bein honest....even tho I know him and most of the BWS camp and work with them, that really has NO influence in why I thought it was a good album. I mean Murs is my cousin who I've known all my life...if I was gonna be bieased, I'd put all his albums in the Top 20 as well. Game's album just appealed to my ears a whole lot, and that's the end of the story.
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Hey R-Tistic, I just realized why you favor The Game. Correct me if I am wrong, but was it you that produced a song for The Game?
Yeah, but bein honest....even tho I know him and most of the BWS camp and work with them, that really has NO influence in why I thought it was a good album. I mean Murs is my cousin who I've known all my life...if I was gonna be bieased, I'd put all his albums in the Top 20 as well. Game's album just appealed to my ears a whole lot, and that's the end of the story.
I think you still may favor them because you know them like a subliminal bias and you kind of force yourself to like the album more because of your affiliation with em.........i know it's all opinion and all and i have no problemz wit anybody'z lists it'z juss i find it reallly really hard to put game's album in top 20 when their's just so many more better westcoast albumz.......... it seemz ppl overhype the game because they want the west back in da limelight dat'z just how i see it......plus da album still has to digest for a couple years and shit and see if you can still say the same thang....
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Hey R-Tistic, I just realized why you favor The Game. Correct me if I am wrong, but was it you that produced a song for The Game?
Yeah, but bein honest....even tho I know him and most of the BWS camp and work with them, that really has NO influence in why I thought it was a good album. I mean Murs is my cousin who I've known all my life...if I was gonna be bieased, I'd put all his albums in the Top 20 as well. Game's album just appealed to my ears a whole lot, and that's the end of the story.
I think you still may favor them because you know them like a subliminal bias and you kind of force yourself to like the album more because of your affiliation with em.........i know it's all opinion and all and i have no problemz wit anybody'z lists it'z juss i find it reallly really hard to put game's album in top 20 when their's just so many more better westcoast albumz.......... it seemz ppl overhype the game because they want the west back in da limelight dat'z just how i see it......plus da album still has to digest for a couple years and shit and see if you can still say the same thang....
That would make sense, but I don't know if I could even explain why I think it's a bomb ass album and sound anything near convincing. For one....I'm a producer, and I listen to the production on an album more than anything else, not just the beats but the overall result of the song, and production wise the album was top notch. Not just the beats, but how he flowed to the beats, the hooks for the songs, and whatever else makes me want to play an album. Next, it's 2005, and it's hard as hell to find new west coast rap that sounds like it did in the 90s, because rap has evolved so much. But with this album, Game is spittin with a definite 2005 style, which many say is east coast even tho many LA rappers have been doin it since 2002, and it is this style on top of the best possible modern day west coast AND east coast beats. Most of my favorite west coast albums are a lot different from this one, because they all sound like the typical west coast albums as far as the flow, content, and music. But I am not just a west coast fan like many people here, I listen to EVERYTHING, I just like west coast rap the most because I grew up under it. This album appealed to my LA senses AND my "east coast"/"nationwide" senses, if you get what I am sayin. So in all, this is my favorite west coast album that sounds like a blend of east and west together, because that usually doesn't turn out too good. And yea, I might feel different about it in a few years, but I've played this album 100,000s of times and I haven't really got tired of it, so that is a sign that it should still sound good in a long time.
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Lil Jon has made a much bigger 'impact' than DJ Quik or Ant Banks.
would you list him higher then those 2 aswell?
Well, Lil' Jon isn't from the westcoast so I don't think I'd put his albums above any from DJ Quik or Ant Banks.
vanilla ice and mc hammer both made a bigger impact than the game. who gives a fuck about impact. impact can have nothing to do with how good the music is.
But it is a factor in how great an album is. Which by the thread title seems to be what we're looking for here.
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Yea King T's - Thy kingdom Come is a mad album, old school at its best and so is Big Skye's - Big Yo Self
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Yea King T's - Thy kingdom Come is a mad album, old school at its best and so is Big Skye's - Big Yo Self
If I was going to put a King T album in my top 10, I'd put the Triflin album or IV Life way ahead of Thy Kingdom Come. Both of those albums were put together much better than Thy Kingdom Come, IMO. I almost put the Triflin Album in my top 20 but opted for the Alkaholiks 21 and Over album instead. If yall haven't heard the Triflin album or IV Life, yall need to check that out.