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I happened to be Black american who loves Metal. In the vein of Meshuggah, Slipknot, etc... I also grew up on Led Zeppelin, Confunktion, rolling stones, Prince, Isley Brothers etc... My favorite band was Kiss during my preteen years. In my early thirties I love hiphop especially emcees who can spit verbal beatdowns like old Eminem, Chino xl. But when I mention I like Beatles, Rolling Stones, and heavy metal to blacks they say its "white man's music". I could see country to a degree. Because, admit it or not, looking at a country music awards and I've never seen any diversity in their audience. I believe to each his own. I don't see how anyone can say a certain genre is white or black. To me, its about personal taste. Maybe I answered my own question, but rock and roll, country, etc... all comes from the style of blues. Right?
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Right, and a thousand black people all wearing white tees and big platinum chains at the source awards is diversity. Every music genre has its core demographic and thats who is represented on television. there's nothin "racist" about it. oh except for the fact that heavy metal and country are primarily white and its easy to accuse whitey of "racism" these days, its almost for sport.
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I happened to be Black american who loves Metal. In the vein of Meshuggah, Slipknot, etc... I also grew up on Led Zeppelin, Confunktion, rolling stones, Prince, Isley Brothers etc... My favorite band was Kiss during my preteen years. In my early thirties I love hiphop especially emcees who can spit verbal beatdowns like old Eminem, Chino xl. But when I mention I like Beatles, Rolling Stones, and heavy metal to blacks they say its "white man's music". I could see country to a degree. Because, admit it or not, looking at a country music awards and I've never seen any diversity in their audience. I believe to each his own. I don't see how anyone can say a certain genre is white or black. To me, its about personal taste. Maybe I answered my own question, but rock and roll, country, etc... all comes from the style of blues. Right?
It's just as much blackman's music as white man's music. Particularly the Beatles and Stones who started out by playing Blues and RnB (which later became Rock n Roll). Even Country has some roots in the old slave music. In a lot of ways it's both, but to call a type of american music just white or just black is wrong. Metal came primarily from Zeppelin and Zeppelin were greatly influenced and ripped off in some cases, the blues. Look at hip hip, sure it started in the Bronx but most of the samples came from white rock tunes, and even Bob Dylan was doing things simlar to rapping in the 60s. American music is black and white. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a brainwashed racist fool.
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itīs not racist in that way but a lot of racist bands have used country and rock & roll as a tool to express their feelings towards blacks,latinos,jews,gays etc etc the same way a lot of black people has taken hip hop and made racist music towards other races. but to label a form of music racist or what not coz of the color of the fan base of that music is stupid. but on the country side it is a little different coz a lot of country artists has openly expressed their hate towards american minorities especially black people but that still doesnīt make country music racist in general coz iīm sure that there is a few black country musicians out there.
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itīs not racist in that way but a lot of racist bands have used country and rock & roll as a tool to express their feelings towards blacks,latinos,jews,gays etc etc the same way a lot of black people has taken hip hop and made racist music towards other races. but to label a form of music racist or what not coz of the color of the fan base of that music is stupid. but on the country side it is a little different coz a lot of country artists has openly expressed their hate towards american minorities especially black people but that still doesnīt make country music racist in general coz iīm sure that there is a few black country musicians out there.
Some? Sure. A lot? I don't think so. How many do you know of?
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itīs not racist in that way but a lot of racist bands have used country and rock & roll as a tool to express their feelings towards blacks,latinos,jews,gays etc etc the same way a lot of black people has taken hip hop and made racist music towards other races. but to label a form of music racist or what not coz of the color of the fan base of that music is stupid. but on the country side it is a little different coz a lot of country artists has openly expressed their hate towards american minorities especially black people but that still doesnīt make country music racist in general coz iīm sure that there is a few black country musicians out there.
Some? Sure. A lot? I don't think so. How many do you know of?
like i said thereīs prolly a few
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Music is music. I don't see rock or country as white man's music at all, after all, the first few rock musicians where black and rock came from blues. Those that say that rock is white man's music really need to study the history of music, or else they wouldn't be saying that.
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Metal really started wih Black Sabbath and they were basically a blues band who were "dark" in style.
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look up David Alan Coe for country music
that's some racist shit
but not all country music is like that, only a small percentage
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music doesnt have a color
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look up David Alan Coe for country music
that's some racist shit
but not all country music is like that, only a small percentage
David Allan Coe is not racist, and most of the racist songs you download by him aren't really by him. He has one song that is definately racist and that's "Nigger Fucker", but it was on an album filled with songs that made fun of everybody and everything. The song says that white women and black men shouldn't be together but his drummer is black and has a white wife. If he was so racist why would he accept that?
The Johnny Rebel songs are the racist songs, but even those are comedy. Johnny Rebel was a fictitious artsist in the mid 60s who was actually several different people. The songms were made at a timne where a lot of poor white people were getting the shaft because of Johnson's reforms. Now what Johnson did for blacks was long overdue, but a lot of poor whites didn't agree with having to suffer so people they never personally profited off of can rise up. Right or wrong, they were angry. But none of them were David Allan Coe.
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I happened to be Black american who loves Metal. In the vein of Meshuggah, Slipknot, etc... I also grew up on Led Zeppelin, Confunktion, rolling stones, Prince, Isley Brothers etc... My favorite band was Kiss during my preteen years. In my early thirties I love hiphop especially emcees who can spit verbal beatdowns like old Eminem, Chino xl. But when I mention I like Beatles, Rolling Stones, and heavy metal to blacks they say its "white man's music". I could see country to a degree. Because, admit it or not, looking at a country music awards and I've never seen any diversity in their audience. I believe to each his own. I don't see how anyone can say a certain genre is white or black. To me, its about personal taste. Maybe I answered my own question, but rock and roll, country, etc... all comes from the style of blues. Right?
It's just as much blackman's music as white man's music. Particularly the Beatles and Stones who started out by playing Blues and RnB (which later became Rock n Roll). Even Country has some roots in the old slave music. In a lot of ways it's both, but to call a type of american music just white or just black is wrong. Metal came primarily from Zeppelin and Zeppelin were greatly influenced and ripped off in some cases, the blues. Look at hip hip, sure it started in the Bronx but most of the samples came from white rock tunes, and even Bob Dylan was doing things simlar to rapping in the 60s. American music is black and white. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a brainwashed racist fool.
metal came from steppen wolf and the whole SF pschodelic scene, with elements of what jimi hendrix did, and cream.......the FIRST Metal band was and always has been Sabbath. Led Zeppelin's harder sound came after 1970 when black sabbath came out
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Metal really started wih Black Sabbath and they were basically a blues band who were "dark" in style.
^ yeah they were a blues band called "earth" then they saw a horror movie and ozzy and geezer were all "they have horror movie genre" rock should have somethin similar....black sabbath was born
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I mean, there's racism in all genres. Look at Ras Kass and that new song he made "Fuck White People". Not to be partial, but hip hop has become a lot more diverse recently, more than heavy metal or country. It all boils down to cultural upbringing and stuff though.
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I mean, there's racism in all genres. Look at Ras Kass and that new song he made "Fuck White People". Not to be partial, but hip hop has become a lot more diverse recently, more than heavy metal or country. It all boils down to cultural upbringing and stuff though.
country maybe , but not metal ...lol
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I happened to be Black american who loves Metal. In the vein of Meshuggah, Slipknot, etc... I also grew up on Led Zeppelin, Confunktion, rolling stones, Prince, Isley Brothers etc... My favorite band was Kiss during my preteen years. In my early thirties I love hiphop especially emcees who can spit verbal beatdowns like old Eminem, Chino xl. But when I mention I like Beatles, Rolling Stones, and heavy metal to blacks they say its "white man's music". I could see country to a degree. Because, admit it or not, looking at a country music awards and I've never seen any diversity in their audience. I believe to each his own. I don't see how anyone can say a certain genre is white or black. To me, its about personal taste. Maybe I answered my own question, but rock and roll, country, etc... all comes from the style of blues. Right?
It's just as much blackman's music as white man's music. Particularly the Beatles and Stones who started out by playing Blues and RnB (which later became Rock n Roll). Even Country has some roots in the old slave music. In a lot of ways it's both, but to call a type of american music just white or just black is wrong. Metal came primarily from Zeppelin and Zeppelin were greatly influenced and ripped off in some cases, the blues. Look at hip hip, sure it started in the Bronx but most of the samples came from white rock tunes, and even Bob Dylan was doing things simlar to rapping in the 60s. American music is black and white. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a brainwashed racist fool.
metal came from steppen wolf and the whole SF pschodelic scene, with elements of what jimi hendrix did, and cream.......the FIRST Metal band was and always has been Sabbath. Led Zeppelin's harder sound came after 1970 when black sabbath came out
Communication Breakdown and How Many More Times are just as hard as any of Zep's later stuff. It's not as hard as the Sabbath stuff, but it's no Beach Boys. Hard Rock was created with Zeppelin. Did they invent it? Maybe not, but it became big because of them, and that was before the first Sabbath album and before Paranoid.
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look up David Alan Coe for country music
that's some racist shit
but not all country music is like that, only a small percentage
David Allan Coe is not racist, and most of the racist songs you download by him aren't really by him. He has one song that is definately racist and that's "Nigger Fucker", but it was on an album filled with songs that made fun of everybody and everything. The song says that white women and black men shouldn't be together but his drummer is black and has a white wife. If he was so racist why would he accept that?
The Johnny Rebel songs are the racist songs, but even those are comedy. Johnny Rebel was a fictitious artsist in the mid 60s who was actually several different people. The songms were made at a timne where a lot of poor white people were getting the shaft because of Johnson's reforms. Now what Johnson did for blacks was long overdue, but a lot of poor whites didn't agree with having to suffer so people they never personally profited off of can rise up. Right or wrong, they were angry. But none of them were David Allan Coe.
ummm you must be thinking about someone else cause a friend of mine has a whole cd full of david alan coe and songs like "Leroy the big lipped nigger" "my wife ran off with a nigger" "nigger hating me" "nigger fucker" "Damn i wish i was a nigger" "some niggers never die" and "no nigger in our schools" among other
these were all unpublished works of his
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Along with his accolades as a renegade country hero, Coe had his share of trouble along the way. Much of it has centered on two X-rated albums that came out in the early Eighties, Nothing Sacred and Underground. Both albums are filled with sexist, racist, and homophobic songs Coe has tried to live down ever since recording them. Unfortunately, this material is exactly what some people have come to associate the country singer with.
In a handwritten letter on Coe's official Web site, he says, "I was a young man living with a motorcycle club ... I had given up on any commercial success and country radio wouldn't play my songs anyway ... I made these albums for bikers to play at parties ... not everyone appreciates biker humor, even in music. It was never my intention for some little old lady who saw me on TV doing 'Mona Lisa Lost Her Smile' to come to my concert and suffer through a bunch of X-rated songs ... I don't apologize for these albums, because they are very funny, but don't expect me to sing these songs at my shows!"
Making those albums was a decision that has haunted Coe for years. It's undoubtedly the racist content of a couple of the songs that people find the most offensive. Granted, Coe now has an African-American drummer (Kerry Brown, son of bluesman Clarence "Gatemouth" Brown), and got his feet wet with an all-black band in Nashville, but even though he's fallen all over himself trying to rationalize the songs, they've have been the bane of his existence for years, to the point of making him an unwilling (or unwitting) hero for hate groups.
In the December 2000 issue of Country Standard Time, Coe takes on the issue of racism and the songs' origins. His version has him playing those songs for friend and songwriter Shel Silverstein sometime back in the Seventies, and Silverstein talking him into going in the studio and committing them to tape.
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look up David Alan Coe for country music
that's some racist shit
but not all country music is like that, only a small percentage
David Allan Coe is not racist, and most of the racist songs you download by him aren't really by him. He has one song that is definately racist and that's "Nigger Fucker", but it was on an album filled with songs that made fun of everybody and everything. The song says that white women and black men shouldn't be together but his drummer is black and has a white wife. If he was so racist why would he accept that?
The Johnny Rebel songs are the racist songs, but even those are comedy. Johnny Rebel was a fictitious artsist in the mid 60s who was actually several different people. The songms were made at a timne where a lot of poor white people were getting the shaft because of Johnson's reforms. Now what Johnson did for blacks was long overdue, but a lot of poor whites didn't agree with having to suffer so people they never personally profited off of can rise up. Right or wrong, they were angry. But none of them were David Allan Coe.
ummm you must be thinking about someone else cause a friend of mine has a whole cd full of david alan coe and songs like "Leroy the big lipped nigger" "my wife ran off with a nigger" "nigger hating me" "nigger fucker" "Damn i wish i was a nigger" "some niggers never die" and "no nigger in our schools" among other
these were all unpublished works of his
Is it a real CD bought in a store? I do't think so. My Wife Ran Off With A Nigger is his and its also called Nigger Fucker, but the rest of those songs are Johnny Rebel, who are really 5 or 6 different guys. Listen to Nigger Fucker then listen to a normal David Allan Coe song like Waylon Willie and Me, then listen to the rest of the songs, not only will you hear a distinctly different voice then the first two but you'll notice that almost each song a different singer. Besides when those other songs were recorded Coe was in jail. I'm not trying to go out of my way to defend the guy. I just know it wasn't him and he's not racist. Just like Eminem doesn't really want to rape his mom, or how Jay Z doesn't really shoot people in the street.
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I happened to be Black american who loves Metal. In the vein of Meshuggah, Slipknot, etc... I also grew up on Led Zeppelin, Confunktion, rolling stones, Prince, Isley Brothers etc... My favorite band was Kiss during my preteen years. In my early thirties I love hiphop especially emcees who can spit verbal beatdowns like old Eminem, Chino xl. But when I mention I like Beatles, Rolling Stones, and heavy metal to blacks they say its "white man's music". I could see country to a degree. Because, admit it or not, looking at a country music awards and I've never seen any diversity in their audience. I believe to each his own. I don't see how anyone can say a certain genre is white or black. To me, its about personal taste. Maybe I answered my own question, but rock and roll, country, etc... all comes from the style of blues. Right?
It's just as much blackman's music as white man's music. Particularly the Beatles and Stones who started out by playing Blues and RnB (which later became Rock n Roll). Even Country has some roots in the old slave music. In a lot of ways it's both, but to call a type of american music just white or just black is wrong. Metal came primarily from Zeppelin and Zeppelin were greatly influenced and ripped off in some cases, the blues. Look at hip hip, sure it started in the Bronx but most of the samples came from white rock tunes, and even Bob Dylan was doing things simlar to rapping in the 60s. American music is black and white. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a brainwashed racist fool.
metal came from steppen wolf and the whole SF pschodelic scene, with elements of what jimi hendrix did, and cream.......the FIRST Metal band was and always has been Sabbath. Led Zeppelin's harder sound came after 1970 when black sabbath came out
Communication Breakdown and How Many More Times are just as hard as any of Zep's later stuff. It's not as hard as the Sabbath stuff, but it's no Beach Boys. Hard Rock was created with Zeppelin. Did they invent it? Maybe not, but it became big because of them, and that was before the first Sabbath album and before Paranoid.
you just contradicted yourself
hard rock was not created by led zeppelin
cream, hendrix, steppenwolf, and hell even the yardbirds were hard...before zeppelin dropped their first albums in 69'
you're right they did HELP popularlize it
but this all besides the piont the first official Metal album was in 1970 Black Sabbath's album "Black Sabbath" track 1 called "Black Sabbath"
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David Allan Cole is obviously a racist.
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I happened to be Black american who loves Metal. In the vein of Meshuggah, Slipknot, etc... I also grew up on Led Zeppelin, Confunktion, rolling stones, Prince, Isley Brothers etc... My favorite band was Kiss during my preteen years. In my early thirties I love hiphop especially emcees who can spit verbal beatdowns like old Eminem, Chino xl. But when I mention I like Beatles, Rolling Stones, and heavy metal to blacks they say its "white man's music". I could see country to a degree. Because, admit it or not, looking at a country music awards and I've never seen any diversity in their audience. I believe to each his own. I don't see how anyone can say a certain genre is white or black. To me, its about personal taste. Maybe I answered my own question, but rock and roll, country, etc... all comes from the style of blues. Right?
It's just as much blackman's music as white man's music. Particularly the Beatles and Stones who started out by playing Blues and RnB (which later became Rock n Roll). Even Country has some roots in the old slave music. In a lot of ways it's both, but to call a type of american music just white or just black is wrong. Metal came primarily from Zeppelin and Zeppelin were greatly influenced and ripped off in some cases, the blues. Look at hip hip, sure it started in the Bronx but most of the samples came from white rock tunes, and even Bob Dylan was doing things simlar to rapping in the 60s. American music is black and white. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a brainwashed racist fool.
metal came from steppen wolf and the whole SF pschodelic scene, with elements of what jimi hendrix did, and cream.......the FIRST Metal band was and always has been Sabbath. Led Zeppelin's harder sound came after 1970 when black sabbath came out
Communication Breakdown and How Many More Times are just as hard as any of Zep's later stuff. It's not as hard as the Sabbath stuff, but it's no Beach Boys. Hard Rock was created with Zeppelin. Did they invent it? Maybe not, but it became big because of them, and that was before the first Sabbath album and before Paranoid.
you just contradicted yourself
hard rock was not created by led zeppelin
cream, hendrix, steppenwolf, and hell even the yardbirds were hard...before zeppelin dropped their first albums in 69'
you're right they did HELP popularlize it
but this all besides the piont the first official Metal album was in 1970 Black Sabbath's album "Black Sabbath" track 1 called "Black Sabbath"
I didn't contradict myself. Elvis didn't create rock n roll but if it weren't for him it wouldn't have come out until years later.
Cream was a blues rock band every step of the way, and so was Steppenwolf, and the Yard Birds. Hendrix was great Rock n Roll with a touch of blues that is more or less it's own genre. The Hard Rock formula Zeppelin created was the reason bands like Deep Purple ever got a record deal. Zepelin's formula is 100% responsible for just about every hair metal band in the 80s. I don't say they created it because it's such a bold statement. Who invented rock n roll? There are so many answers. Some say it was originally Robert Johnson, or Howlin' Wolf, others say it was Hank Williams with songs like Bring it on Over, and some say it truly didn't become rock and roll until Elvis brought both hte RnB and Country together on his adaptation of That's Alright. There is no definte answer. Eddy Van Halen didn't "invent" tapping, but he's responsible for it. You know what I mean, it's like adopting a new born baby and raising it to become US President. The birth parents may have created him, but the credit will go to the adoptive parents that raised him.
Trauma; You're pathetic.
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man that david allen coe shit is fucking hillarious, stupid fucking white people
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man that david allen coe shit is fucking hillarious, stupid fucking white people
Are you talking about She Ran off With a Nigger, or the other racist songs? Because the other racist songs aren't Coe, they're Johnny Rebel (who is 5 or 6 different people).
Also for everyone in general. Why is it so bad and terrible to make comedic songs downgrading blacks, but funny and good when Snoop and the DPG make comedic songs downgradding all women, and revolutionary when Ice Cube makes comedic social commentaries dwngrading white men?
They are just songs meant for people who find them funny or funny and true. Just like Cube didn't want blacks to go out and kill whites after listening to Horny Lil' Devil or Koreans after listening to Black Korea, Johnny Rebel or David Allan Coe in one case didn't want whites to go out and kill blacks for being with white women. I understand that blacks with white women were a sterioids problem once upon a time, and blacks killing whites never was, but Coe never publicly released She Ran off with a Nigger and no one really ever heard it. If the internet was never created less than 0.01% of America would even know it existed.
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^man your opinion really is ignorant, u answered ur own question the reason white people cant make fun of black people for being dirty niggers is because they already lost their privilages to do that( a little thing called slavery). The way gangsta rappers degrade women in their songs is similar but isnt the same because the rappers love certain women but hate bitches. theres a big diff between women and bitches.
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^man your opinion really is ignorant, u answered ur own question the reason white people cant make fun of black people for being dirty niggers is because they already lost their privilages to do that( a little thing called slavery). The way gangsta rappers degrade women in their songs is similar but isnt the same because the rappers love certain women but hate bitches. theres a big diff between women and bitches.
But a lot whites had nothing to do with slavery, and didn't profit off it at all. Also, let's say I decide to make songs about black people in a negative light (not that I ever would). I am white but my heritage is from Greece. We had nothing to do with the slave trade. In fact my ancestors were slaves themselves during the same period of time. Would that be okay, by your logic?
By my logic, hate is hate and comedy is comedy. It's the intent that matters. If a guy bumps into a in a mall when he's not looking and I spill my drink, I won't think anything of it, but if a guy walks up to me and slaps it out of my hands then that's another story.
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*plays Led Zeppelin - When the Levee Breaks*
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I happened to be Black american who loves Metal. In the vein of Meshuggah, Slipknot, etc... I also grew up on Led Zeppelin, Confunktion, rolling stones, Prince, Isley Brothers etc... My favorite band was Kiss during my preteen years. In my early thirties I love hiphop especially emcees who can spit verbal beatdowns like old Eminem, Chino xl. But when I mention I like Beatles, Rolling Stones, and heavy metal to blacks they say its "white man's music". I could see country to a degree. Because, admit it or not, looking at a country music awards and I've never seen any diversity in their audience. I believe to each his own. I don't see how anyone can say a certain genre is white or black. To me, its about personal taste. Maybe I answered my own question, but rock and roll, country, etc... all comes from the style of blues. Right?
It's just as much blackman's music as white man's music. Particularly the Beatles and Stones who started out by playing Blues and RnB (which later became Rock n Roll). Even Country has some roots in the old slave music. In a lot of ways it's both, but to call a type of american music just white or just black is wrong. Metal came primarily from Zeppelin and Zeppelin were greatly influenced and ripped off in some cases, the blues. Look at hip hip, sure it started in the Bronx but most of the samples came from white rock tunes, and even Bob Dylan was doing things simlar to rapping in the 60s. American music is black and white. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a brainwashed racist fool.
metal came from steppen wolf and the whole SF pschodelic scene, with elements of what jimi hendrix did, and cream.......the FIRST Metal band was and always has been Sabbath. Led Zeppelin's harder sound came after 1970 when black sabbath came out
Communication Breakdown and How Many More Times are just as hard as any of Zep's later stuff. It's not as hard as the Sabbath stuff, but it's no Beach Boys. Hard Rock was created with Zeppelin. Did they invent it? Maybe not, but it became big because of them, and that was before the first Sabbath album and before Paranoid.
you just contradicted yourself
hard rock was not created by led zeppelin
cream, hendrix, steppenwolf, and hell even the yardbirds were hard...before zeppelin dropped their first albums in 69'
you're right they did HELP popularlize it
but this all besides the piont the first official Metal album was in 1970 Black Sabbath's album "Black Sabbath" track 1 called "Black Sabbath"
I didn't contradict myself. Elvis didn't create rock n roll but if it weren't for him it wouldn't have come out until years later.
Cream was a blues rock band every step of the way, and so was Steppenwolf, and the Yard Birds. Hendrix was great Rock n Roll with a touch of blues that is more or less it's own genre. The Hard Rock formula Zeppelin created was the reason bands like Deep Purple ever got a record deal. Zepelin's formula is 100% responsible for just about every hair metal band in the 80s. I don't say they created it because it's such a bold statement. Who invented rock n roll? There are so many answers. Some say it was originally Robert Johnson, or Howlin' Wolf, others say it was Hank Williams with songs like Bring it on Over, and some say it truly didn't become rock and roll until Elvis brought both hte RnB and Country together on his adaptation of That's Alright. There is no definte answer. Eddy Van Halen didn't "invent" tapping, but he's responsible for it. You know what I mean, it's like adopting a new born baby and raising it to become US President. The birth parents may have created him, but the credit will go to the adoptive parents that raised him.
Trauma; You're pathetic.
all bands pre 80's were blues based, hell even zeppelin was more blues than most other bands out.....just look at jimmy page's scale structure .......Led Zeppelin became the biggest hard rock band but they DEFINATELY weren't the reason for the genre getting big....cuz it was already big before they were even starting to get that hard. Zeppelin didn't really blow up with their hard sound until AFTER many many many OTHER hard rock acts came out.....so i don't know what you're trying to argue here, first Zeppelin was the reason for Metal? wrong. then zeppelin was the reason for Hard Rock? wrong. now they're the reason why the genre got big? wrong......it was ALREADY big when Zeppelin were coming up.
and LOL at Eddie Van Halen not inventing tapping...sorry sir but yes he did. that's what made eruption so amazing people thought he had a twelive inch pinky to be able to hamer on pull off on the 2 -5 and 12 at the same time
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all bands pre 80's were blues based, hell even zeppelin was more blues than most other bands out.....just look at jimmy page's scale structure .......Led Zeppelin became the biggest hard rock band but they DEFINATELY weren't the reason for the genre getting big....cuz it was already big before they were even starting to get that hard. Zeppelin didn't really blow up with their hard sound until AFTER many many many OTHER hard rock acts came out.....so i don't know what you're trying to argue here, first Zeppelin was the reason for Metal? wrong. then zeppelin was the reason for Hard Rock? wrong. now they're the reason why the genre got big? wrong......it was ALREADY big when Zeppelin were coming up.
I already told you there were songs on their first album just as hard as songs on their last album. There is no way Zep became harder because of Sabbath because they were as hard before Sabbath. What hard rock song was big before Led Zeppelin 1. What song sounded like the ending to Dazed and Confused? That was a huge song commercially.When I say blues based I mean softer blues. Obviously Zep was blues, but they added that hard edge to it that Cream, Steppenwolf, etc didn't. Born to be Wild was a great song, but no one thinks of it as antthing near a metal song, while a few tracks on Zep 1 that are certainly metal or precursor to metal.
and LOL at Eddie Van Halen not inventing tapping...sorry sir but yes he did. that's what made eruption so amazing people thought he had a twelive inch pinky to be able to hamer on pull off on the 2 -5 and 12 at the same time
Tell that to Ritchie Blackmore. He may disagree with you.
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EVH didnt invent tapping Classical musicians have used tapping for years.
And around the same time as EVH, Randy Rhoads R.I.P. (Ozzy's guitarist) was using tapping as well. They were both at "war" to prove who was the better guitarist.
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EVH didnt invent tapping Classical musicians have used tapping for years.
And around the same time as EVH, Randy Rhoads R.I.P. (Ozzy's guitarist) was using tapping as well. They were both at "war" to prove who was the better guitarist.
hammer on and pull offs have been around forever, but adding the two extra fingers that EVH did was totally new the tapping that you hear in eruption wasn't around in classical music ..how could it be you can't tap on a classical guitar, you can't tap on a violin, you can't tap on chello, you can't tap on anything very effectively except an electric guitar...................and as much as i like randy rhoads he didn't event that either, eruption came out in 77' was recorded in 76' and written in 75' rhoads didn't even encorperate tapping into his repetoir until "blizzard of ozz" which was in 1980 when he was with quiet riot he never tapped .the thing randy rhoads gets credited with is using classical scales instead of the usual blues scales.
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all bands pre 80's were blues based, hell even zeppelin was more blues than most other bands out.....just look at jimmy page's scale structure .......Led Zeppelin became the biggest hard rock band but they DEFINATELY weren't the reason for the genre getting big....cuz it was already big before they were even starting to get that hard. Zeppelin didn't really blow up with their hard sound until AFTER many many many OTHER hard rock acts came out.....so i don't know what you're trying to argue here, first Zeppelin was the reason for Metal? wrong. then zeppelin was the reason for Hard Rock? wrong. now they're the reason why the genre got big? wrong......it was ALREADY big when Zeppelin were coming up.
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I already told you there were songs on their first album just as hard as songs on their last album. There is no way Zep became harder because of Sabbath because they were as hard before Sabbath. What hard rock song was big before Led Zeppelin 1. What song sounded like the ending to Dazed and Confused? That was a huge song commercially.When I say blues based I mean softer blues. Obviously Zep was blues, but they added that hard edge to it that Cream, Steppenwolf, etc didn't. Born to be Wild was a great song, but no one thinks of it as antthing near a metal song, while a few tracks on Zep 1 that are certainly metal or precursor to metal.<BR>
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The term heavy metal was first used b william Burroughs in his novel Naked Lunch, and first used in music by steppenwolf in the song "Born to be Wild." the mosted noted expert on the subect, Lester Bangs, popularized the term in the heavy metal fan magazine Creem. Some of the first musicians to play in this style were Cream,The Who, Jimi Hendrix, Iron Butterfly, MC5, and Blue Oyster Cult. During its formative stages, heavy metal and hard rock were simpyl part of the development of rock and roll; only later did it become a specialized form for certain groups.
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The Pre-Hard/metal stage of music is made up of musicians who were called rock musicians. Although they played music that would have heavy influence on metal style, they were mainstream hard rock musicians, some continued on to be known as metal musicians and some remained outside the style of classic metal and hard rock. Jimi Hendrixwas bron in 1942 in seattle, washington, and died in london in 1970. He was influnced by Muddy waters, BB King, Chuck Berry, and Eddie Cochran. He played guitar from an early age and in 1959, enlisted in the army. Althoughhe played during his army stint, his carreerrealy began in 1961, where he became a working musician. he played behind numerous musicians, in lcuding Sam cooke, BB king, Little Richard, Ike and tina Turner, the Isley Brothers, and King Curtis. His stage name at the time was Jimmy James. by 1967 he had formed the jimmy hendrix Experience that last through three highly influencial hard rock releases from 67-69. By 1969 the original band was no more Hendrix had formed and recorded "Band of Gypsies". In 1970 he would be found dead in London. Although his short career was not successful on a case-by-case analysis, his influence was incredible. his playing style, all of his compositions, and even unreleased tapes have been analyzed, re-recorded, and discussed by many rock critics and most importantly, significant musicians. his lasting legacy is his continued popularity; and he has had pivotal impact on the style and development of heavy metal and hard rock <BR>
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The Who were one of the first to use some particular techniques before they became fashionable. the hgih use of distortion as a tension-building device would later become very imprtant to rock in general and heavy metal in particular; the who started using heavy distorition at approximately the same time that Hendrix was active (67-70) Also important are the destructive stae antics they used. Like Hendrix, the who destroyed guitar and ampilfiers on a regular basis. it was part of their stage routine and they were certainly made more visible as a result of it. but while the who did not continue to develope as a heavy metal band-they already had a rather unique sound, they used techniques that would later become staples for artists to come like Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, and Led Zeppelin.
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The Yarbirds was originally formed in 1963 as the Most Blueswailing Yardbirds; Eric Clapton joined the badn four months after its formation. at first they were a pure blues band, although ultimately they served as an important link between british rhythm and blues and the psychedelic/pre-heavy metal rock of the late 60's . interestingly, when clapton was with the yarbirds the badn was not really very progressive, although at the time they were recognized as being at the forefront of the British hard rock scene Clapton would quit the band in 65' because he felt the music was drifting too far from the blues. <BR>
When Clapton quit the yarbirds, he was replaced by jeff beck, in 1965 the yarbirds put out one major album, Having a rave-Up with the Yarbirds ( with Jeff beck), on which there was at least one element on each song with Heavy Metal Implications "Heart Full of Soul" contained electiric guitar riffs with heavy use of fuzz sound. In 1966 Jimmy Page joined the group, first on bass, then guitar. while the pairing of Beck and Page did not last long, that particular sound was to have lasting implications, if only because of what the two musicians did afterwards. the band would disband with Jimmy Page retaining the rights to the bands name and would reform a new group called the "the new yardbirds" who would later be known as Led Zeppelin.
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Led Zeppelin was an increadibly important badn from 1968 until 1983. The two most important member wer probably Jimmy Page, recognized by everyone for his influence on rock guitars, and the vocalist Robert Plant. Jimi Hendrix is credited as rock's most significant guitar player and the first inlfluence leading toward heavy metal, Jimmy Page helped add to the influence along with Blue Oyster Cult the mythology of heavy metal, since Jimmy Page believes in exotic philosophies; this clearly comes through their song lyrics and playing style. They changed their name to Led Zeppelin after competing a Scandinaviantour; Led Zeppelin's name was recommended by Richard Cole, who got it from keith Moon and John Entwistle of The Who for the tight and heavy rhythm section moon and entwistle had. Drummer John Bonham and Bassist John Paul Jones were heavy influenced by this rhythm section. Led Zeppelin's First album (1969) reached the top ten in Billbaord and thier second album went to number one. Their first US tour in early 1969 was with Vanilla Fudge.
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Deep Purple and Black Sabbath , however , were terribly importnat in thier time. From 1969 to 1975 they were consistently recognized as the premier heavy metal bands. while Led Zeppelin did not firmly plant itself in that style, Deep Purple and Black Sabbath did and attracted many of the cult fans of early heavy metal.
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all bands pre 80's were blues based, hell even zeppelin was more blues than most other bands out.....just look at jimmy page's scale structure .......Led Zeppelin became the biggest hard rock band but they DEFINATELY weren't the reason for the genre getting big....cuz it was already big before they were even starting to get that hard. Zeppelin didn't really blow up with their hard sound until AFTER many many many OTHER hard rock acts came out.....so i don't know what you're trying to argue here, first Zeppelin was the reason for Metal? wrong. then zeppelin was the reason for Hard Rock? wrong. now they're the reason why the genre got big? wrong......it was ALREADY big when Zeppelin were coming up.
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I already told you there were songs on their first album just as hard as songs on their last album. There is no way Zep became harder because of Sabbath because they were as hard before Sabbath. What hard rock song was big before Led Zeppelin 1. What song sounded like the ending to Dazed and Confused? That was a huge song commercially.When I say blues based I mean softer blues. Obviously Zep was blues, but they added that hard edge to it that Cream, Steppenwolf, etc didn't. Born to be Wild was a great song, but no one thinks of it as antthing near a metal song, while a few tracks on Zep 1 that are certainly metal or precursor to metal.<BR>
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Tell that to Ritchie Blackmore. He may disagree with you. <BR>
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The term heavy metal was first used b william Burroughs in his novel Naked Lunch, and first used in music by steppenwolf in the song "Born to be Wild." the mosted noted expert on the subect, Lester Bangs, popularized the term in the heavy metal fan magazine Creem. Some of the first musicians to play in this style were Cream,The Who, Jimi Hendrix, Iron Butterfly, MC5, and Blue Oyster Cult. During its formative stages, heavy metal and hard rock were simpyl part of the development of rock and roll; only later did it become a specialized form for certain groups.
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gee i don't see led zeppelin in here <BR>
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The Pre-Hard/metal stage of music is made up of musicians who were called rock musicians. Although they played music that would have heavy influence on metal style, they were mainstream hard rock musicians, some continued on to be known as metal musicians and some remained outside the style of classic metal and hard rock. Jimi Hendrixwas bron in 1942 in seattle, washington, and died in london in 1970. He was influnced by Muddy waters, BB King, Chuck Berry, and Eddie Cochran. He played guitar from an early age and in 1959, enlisted in the army. Althoughhe played during his army stint, his carreerrealy began in 1961, where he became a working musician. he played behind numerous musicians, in lcuding Sam cooke, BB king, Little Richard, Ike and tina Turner, the Isley Brothers, and King Curtis. His stage name at the time was Jimmy James. by 1967 he had formed the jimmy hendrix Experience that last through three highly influencial hard rock releases from 67-69. By 1969 the original band was no more Hendrix had formed and recorded "Band of Gypsies". In 1970 he would be found dead in London. Although his short career was not successful on a case-by-case analysis, his influence was incredible. his playing style, all of his compositions, and even unreleased tapes have been analyzed, re-recorded, and discussed by many rock critics and most importantly, significant musicians. his lasting legacy is his continued popularity; and he has had pivotal impact on the style and development of heavy metal and hard rock <BR>
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wasn't that before Led Zeppelin I?<BR>
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The Who were one of the first to use some particular techniques before they became fashionable. the hgih use of distortion as a tension-building device would later become very imprtant to rock in general and heavy metal in particular; the who started using heavy distorition at approximately the same time that Hendrix was active (67-70) Also important are the destructive stae antics they used. Like Hendrix, the who destroyed guitar and ampilfiers on a regular basis. it was part of their stage routine and they were certainly made more visible as a result of it. but while the who did not continue to develope as a heavy metal band-they already had a rather unique sound, they used techniques that would later become staples for artists to come like Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, and Led Zeppelin.
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The Yarbirds was originally formed in 1963 as the Most Blueswailing Yardbirds; Eric Clapton joined the badn four months after its formation. at first they were a pure blues band, although ultimately they served as an important link between british rhythm and blues and the psychedelic/pre-heavy metal rock of the late 60's . interestingly, when clapton was with the yarbirds the badn was not really very progressive, although at the time they were recognized as being at the forefront of the British hard rock scene Clapton would quit the band in 65' because he felt the music was drifting too far from the blues. <BR>
When Clapton quit the yarbirds, he was replaced by jeff beck, in 1965 the yarbirds put out one major album, Having a rave-Up with the Yarbirds ( with Jeff beck), on which there was at least one element on each song with Heavy Metal Implications "Heart Full of Soul" contained electiric guitar riffs with heavy use of fuzz sound. In 1966 Jimmy Page joined the group, first on bass, then guitar. while the pairing of Beck and Page did not last long, that particular sound was to have lasting implications, if only because of what the two musicians did afterwards. the band would disband with Jimmy Page retaining the rights to the bands name and would reform a new group called the "the new yardbirds" who would later be known as Led Zeppelin.
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hmmmm heavy metal in 65 and 66.. again what year did led Zeppelin I come out?<BR>
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the book goes on for 20 pages or so until Zeppelin is even mentioned ....so here is what it has to say about them:<BR>
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Led Zeppelin was an increadibly important badn from 1968 until 1983. The two most important member wer probably Jimmy Page, recognized by everyone for his influence on rock guitars, and the vocalist Robert Plant. Jimi Hendrix is credited as rock's most significant guitar player and the first inlfluence leading toward heavy metal, Jimmy Page helped add to the influence along with Blue Oyster Cult the mythology of heavy metal, since Jimmy Page believes in exotic philosophies; this clearly comes through their song lyrics and playing style. They changed their name to Led Zeppelin after competing a Scandinaviantour; Led Zeppelin's name was recommended by Richard Cole, who got it from keith Moon and John Entwistle of The Who for the tight and heavy rhythm section moon and entwistle had. Drummer John Bonham and Bassist John Paul Jones were heavy influenced by this rhythm section. Led Zeppelin's First album (1969) reached the top ten in Billbaord and thier second album went to number one. Their first US tour in early 1969 was with Vanilla Fudge.
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Deep Purple and Black Sabbath , however , were terribly importnat in thier time. From 1969 to 1975 they were consistently recognized as the premier heavy metal bands. while Led Zeppelin did not firmly plant itself in that style, Deep Purple and Black Sabbath did and attracted many of the cult fans of early heavy metal.
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Fear and Loathing I can't really make out all of what your saying but I'll try and respond the best I can;
When I said Zep popularized Metal, that's all I mean. I never said they were the first hard rockers. What I mean by them doing it is too things; 1)they were the first to make it big on a consistent level, and 2) they were the first to bring it all together in my opinion. A lot of bands had hard guitar before, or hard drums before, or a kind of scream, but when you put the hard guitar of Page, the bass and boards of Jones, the rugged sirens of Plant, and the thunder of Bonham all coming together became the staple for metal years later. Were they the first? Maybe not, but no one was as big doing it before or after them.
And as for the tapping thing. I never said Blackmore invented it. Truthfully it goes back to the 50s. Look up a guy named Jimmie Webster. He didn't invent either but he wroe a book about two hand tapping in 1952? Eddy was born in 1955, so unless his spirit canme out of his dad's sperm and inspired Webster, I'll given credit where it's due.
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Yeah Ritchie is a cocky bastard. I love his style though. Southern Rock music such as Allman brothers, Lynryd Skynyrd, and a host of others bands paid tribute to Blues guitarist Robert Johnson. Skynyrd went as far as saying in Sweet Home Alabama.. "well we all love the governor, boo boo boo" attacking Governor George Wallace for his racist views. I'm astounded how blacks look at you when you say you like that type of music.
Lynyrd Skynrd wrote Sweet Home Alabama as a response to another song criticising the south for being racist, amongst other things.
Jake: I meant Classical Guitarists, the tapping they used might not have been exact to the EVH method but it was still used.
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It was a response to Niel Young's Alabama, and Southern Man. They even call out Niel in the song.
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man that david allen coe shit is fucking hillarious, stupid fucking white people
Are you talking about She Ran off With a Nigger, or the other racist songs? Because the other racist songs aren't Coe, they're Johnny Rebel (who is 5 or 6 different people).
Also for everyone in general. Why is it so bad and terrible to make comedic songs downgrading blacks, but funny and good when Snoop and the DPG make comedic songs downgradding all women, and revolutionary when Ice Cube makes comedic social commentaries dwngrading white men?
They are just songs meant for people who find them funny or funny and true. Just like Cube didn't want blacks to go out and kill whites after listening to Horny Lil' Devil or Koreans after listening to Black Korea, Johnny Rebel or David Allan Coe in one case didn't want whites to go out and kill blacks for being with white women. I understand that blacks with white women were a sterioids problem once upon a time, and blacks killing whites never was, but Coe never publicly released She Ran off with a Nigger and no one really ever heard it. If the internet was never created less than 0.01% of America would even know it existed.
You're a fucking idiot, like usual. That's my favorite opening line I use. Anyways...
Lemme show you the flaw in your argument, bitch.
Snoop and Cube and blah blah blah have nothing to do with David Allan Coe. David Allan Coe made a song with the word "nigger" in the title, something nobody but a racist would do. Nobody's saying it's alright for rappers to denegrate women, as a matter of fact I speak against it all the time on here. Nobody's saying Cube isn't a racist, either. I don't know why you're on this fucks dick so hard that you want to take up for his obvious racial slurring (ugh, in the fucking TITLE of the song). He's a racist, what do you care? How is that pathetic? Pathetic is you hiding behind a different screen name (I know who the fuck you are) and pathetic is you taking up for a fucking racist even when it's obvious that he is one.
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man that david allen coe shit is fucking hillarious, stupid fucking white people
Are you talking about She Ran off With a Nigger, or the other racist songs? Because the other racist songs aren't Coe, they're Johnny Rebel (who is 5 or 6 different people).
Also for everyone in general. Why is it so bad and terrible to make comedic songs downgrading blacks, but funny and good when Snoop and the DPG make comedic songs downgradding all women, and revolutionary when Ice Cube makes comedic social commentaries dwngrading white men?
They are just songs meant for people who find them funny or funny and true. Just like Cube didn't want blacks to go out and kill whites after listening to Horny Lil' Devil or Koreans after listening to Black Korea, Johnny Rebel or David Allan Coe in one case didn't want whites to go out and kill blacks for being with white women. I understand that blacks with white women were a sterioids problem once upon a time, and blacks killing whites never was, but Coe never publicly released She Ran off with a Nigger and no one really ever heard it. If the internet was never created less than 0.01% of America would even know it existed.
You're a fucking idiot, like usual. That's my favorite opening line I use. Anyways...
Lemme show you the flaw in your argument, bitch.
Snoop and Cube and blah blah blah have nothing to do with David Allan Coe. David Allan Coe made a song with the word "nigger" in the title, something nobody but a racist would do. Nobody's saying it's alright for rappers to denegrate women, as a matter of fact I speak against it all the time on here. Nobody's saying Cube isn't a racist, either. I don't know why you're on this fucks dick so hard that you want to take up for his obvious racial slurring (ugh, in the fucking TITLE of the song). He's a racist, what do you care? How is that pathetic? Pathetic is you hiding behind a different screen name (I know who the fuck you are) and pathetic is you taking up for a fucking racist even when it's obvious that he is one.
You're not only pathetic, apparently you're a little slow and not much a of a reader either. What different screen name? My screen name has been "Shallow" since the day I signed up here 3 or so years ago. You jackass. If you can't get simple things like that right, what makes you think you can distinguish between a racist and a racist comedy song?
There is a difference being a racist who hates the idea of black men with white women and a guy who writes a comedic song on an X rated album about black men with white, who actually employs and befriends black men with white wives. It is clear Coe has no personal hatred towards the idea, or else he would have switched drummers. The point I was making about guys like Cube, Jay z, and Eminem, a point clearly over your head, was not that they are necessarily racist in their songs, but that they too write songs for comedy or effect, for the sake of the song and entertainment. How many times has Jay Z rapped about shooting someone? Compare that to how many times he's actually shot someone? Since it's probably none, and certainly none since he became famous, is it safe to say that he is not a murderer? Same goes for Em; by your logic Eminem is a rapist or at least an advoacte for raping your mother. Is he really? Of course not.
David Allan Coe just wrote a bunch of songs made strictly for Bikers to laugh. They were only sold through Biker magazines upon release and they included every taboo topic under the sun. To call the man a racist is wrong. It has nothing to do with my personal feelings towards him. You know how I like Michael Jackson; if someone called him a child molester I'd say they are wrong.
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Yeah Ritchie is a cocky bastard. I love his style though. Southern Rock music such as Allman brothers, Lynryd Skynyrd, and a host of others bands paid tribute to Blues guitarist Robert Johnson. Skynyrd went as far as saying in Sweet Home Alabama.. "well we all love the governor, boo boo boo" attacking Governor George Wallace for his racist views. I'm astounded how blacks look at you when you say you like that type of music.
Lynyrd Skynrd wrote Sweet Home Alabama as a response to another song criticising the south for being racist, amongst other things.
Jake: I meant Classical Guitarists, the tapping they used might not have been exact to the EVH method but it was still used.
unless your definition of classical guitarists are: Kirk Hammett, Dimebag Darrell, Marty Friedman, or Dave Murry .....i'm sorry but classical guitarists did not use that method EVH used...they used hammer-on pull offs , also you can't really tap on a classical guitar the strings are nylon and the neck is too fat and the scale ratio is too short because the frets end at the 12.
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Yeah Ritchie is a cocky bastard. I love his style though. Southern Rock music such as Allman brothers, Lynryd Skynyrd, and a host of others bands paid tribute to Blues guitarist Robert Johnson. Skynyrd went as far as saying in Sweet Home Alabama.. "well we all love the governor, boo boo boo" attacking Governor George Wallace for his racist views. I'm astounded how blacks look at you when you say you like that type of music.
Lynyrd Skynrd wrote Sweet Home Alabama as a response to another song criticising the south for being racist, amongst other things.
Jake: I meant Classical Guitarists, the tapping they used might not have been exact to the EVH method but it was still used.
unless your definition of classical guitarists are: Kirk Hammett, Dimebag Darrell, Marty Friedman, or Dave Murry .....i'm sorry but classical guitarists did not use that method EVH used...they used hammer-on pull offs , also you can't really tap on a classical guitar the strings are nylon and the neck is too fat and the scale ratio is too short because the frets end at the 12.
Did you read up on Jimmie Webster? He may not have tapped as well as Eddy, and Eddy may be the best at it, but my point was simple; Edward Van Halen did not invent two hand tapping on a single or double neck guitar. Can we now agree on that?
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^i'll give you props on that, didn't know about that dude. thanks
Keep in mind that Webster didn't invent tapping either. He just wrote the first book about it.
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it'd have to be sometime around the first electric was invented then because i tried and you can't effectively tap on a classical guitar
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theres a lot of heavy metal bands with black ppl in it : king x,sevendust,killswitch engage,p.o.d,etombed,living color,ice-t's bodycount,atari teenage riot,powerman 5000
killswitch engage fucking rocks!!!!
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Well im not 100% sure but you know sweep picking? It involves single taps in order to reach "above" a note youve already hammered on to.
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Well im not 100% sure but you know sweep picking? It involves single taps in order to reach "above" a note youve already hammered on to.
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what song is that ?