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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Fuck You, Pay Me on July 10, 2005, 08:50:47 AM
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Ex-sergeant Taysir Hayb was convicted at a military court in Ashkelon for the shooting of Mr Hurndall in April 2003. Hayb will be sentenced at a later date.
Mr Hurndall, 22, was involved in protests against the Israeli military in the Palestinian town of Rafah. He died nine months after the shooting.
His father, Anthony, said the Israeli army acted with impunity too often.
The defendant was led out of the court in handcuffs and tried to attack a number of photographers and cameramen filming him.
More than 50 people crowded into the small courtroom on a military base in southern Israel, to hear the verdict - which took more than an hour to read out.
We're concerned there is a policy which seems to be prevalent in Gaza that [Israeli soldiers] feel able to shoot civilians without any accountability
In addition to the manslaughter verdict, Hayb was found guilty of obstruction of justice, incitement to false testimony, false testimony and improper conduct.
The court was told Hayb fired at Mr Hurndall from an Israeli army watchtower, using a sniper rifle with a telescopic sight.
Witnesses said Mr Hurndall, from north London, had been escorting children away from gunfire when he was hit in the head by a single shot.
The Israeli army initially disputed this account, but under pressure from Mr Hurndall's family and the British government it ordered a full investigation. It later indicted Hayb, a member of Israel's Bedouin Arab minority.
Family 'concerned'
Mr Hurndall, a Manchester Metropolitan University journalism and photography student, had been operating as a human shield in the Gaza Strip with the International Solidarity Movement (ISM).
This is a Palestinian-led organisation that includes Westerners and aims to oppose Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories by non-violent means.
Mr Hurndall's sister Sophie said she felt a "huge amount of anger" towards Hayb.
"Tom was rescuing a child," she said, adding that what Hayb did "was the most despicable action you could carry out".
Taysir Hayb tried to attack journalists as he left court
But she added: "He's been hung out to dry by the Israeli army who have not taken responsibility for the poor investigation and absolute lack of accountability."
Mr Hurndall's father, who had been sitting in court within touching distance of Hayb, said the guilty verdict was the right one.
But he also expressed concern about the "culture in which this incident took place".
"We're concerned that there is a policy which seems to be prevalent in Gaza, amongst the Israeli soldiers and army, that they feel able to shoot civilians really without any accountability whatsoever."
Civil liberties group Human Rights Watch last week accused Israel of investigating less than 5% of hundreds of cases of Palestinians killed since 2000.
Israeli authorities say there is no policy of tolerating the shooting of civilians.
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CWalker, since you're so quick to stand up for your beloved Britons, what do you say to this?
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just shows israels informal policy that civillians are fair game no matter if they are British, Working for the UN or more to the point Palestinian, shoot first and hopefully no one will ask questions later, a deplorable policy especially when applied to one of the most densly populated places on earth.
If the guy wasn't a british civillian there would have never been the pressure to bring the guy to justice.
On a side note I read somewhere the only reason he was prosectuted was because he was an israeli arab...
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i can easily defend this article by saying one phrase
Rules Of Engagement
of course "friendly fire" cases are going to be prosecuted because of the lack of discipline in the situation...you can't just go around shooting everything
but Israel is in a war zone, so the killing of palistians is pretty much reduced to what the military call the Deadly Force Triangle (law enforcement uses a simliar triangle)
the triangle consists of ability, opportunity and intent.
so when dealing with an enemy that doesn't have a uniform, uses guerilla tactics and other unconventional means of attack, the shooter in question can easily defend themselves using the triangle and it's completely legal
like the marine that shot that one insurgant that was caught on camera... iraqi insurgents have been known to play dead or injured and then blow themselves up. the soldier that killed this man believed the individual had the ability (since no one can see through clothes to see if he had explosives on him) he had the opportunity, and since he was already apart of an attack, he had the intent
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Is this world coming to an end?
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Would your little bullshit triangle explain how an Israeli bulldozes over an American peace activist? Get the fuck outta here with that bullshit....
guess what? next time they're about to demolish a building where you live... go run into it, most of the times they won't stop
and since you can't read, i said this applies to soldiers and law enforcement officers, not construction workers
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And if you want to talk about rules and laws... Israel is in violation of over 60 UN resolutions, they're illegally occupying the Palestinian territories, and according to International Law, the Palestinian people are allowed to defend themselves by any means necessary to drive out the occupier....
Iraq was also in violation of a bunch of UN resolutions and look at every one get all mad when america stepped up to enforce them
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it's not a double standard it's friendship
i bet your friends can call you a dickhead and threaten to beat your ass and you would just laugh it off
but if someone you don't like calls you a dickhead and threatens to beat your ass. you'd probably do something
i'd call that more of an omition than a double standard... both situations are completely different
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oh and life isn't fair
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it's not a double standard it's friendship
i bet your friends can call you a dickhead and threaten to beat your ass and you would just laugh it off
but if someone you don't like calls you a dickhead and threatens to beat your ass. you'd probably do something
i'd call that more of an omition than a double standard... both situations are completely different
LMAO... that's the definition of a double standard... fucking retard
how can you have a double standard on two seperate things?
i don't like oranges but i'll eat some steak
OH IT'S A DOUBLE STANDARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You're right, life isn't fair because if it was, you wouldn't be mentally challenged.
and look whos getting owned by a mentally challenged person.... care to borrow my helmet?
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it's not a double standard it's friendship
i bet your friends can call you a dickhead and threaten to beat your ass and you would just laugh it off
but if someone you don't like calls you a dickhead and threatens to beat your ass. you'd probably do something
i'd call that more of an omition than a double standard... both situations are completely different
LMAO... that's the definition of a double standard... fucking retard
how can you have a double standard on two seperate things?
i don't like oranges but i'll eat some steak
OH IT'S A DOUBLE STANDARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you got it twisted, how can america not putting pressuring its friends; like vetoing almost all UN resolutions against Israel but puts its whole weight against the likes iraq not be a double standard?
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it's not a double standard it's friendship
i bet your friends can call you a dickhead and threaten to beat your ass and you would just laugh it off
but if someone you don't like calls you a dickhead and threatens to beat your ass. you'd probably do something
i'd call that more of an omition than a double standard... both situations are completely different
LMAO... that's the definition of a double standard... fucking retard
how can you have a double standard on two seperate things?
i don't like oranges but i'll eat some steak
OH IT'S A DOUBLE STANDARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you got it twisted, how can america not putting pressuring its friends; like vetoing almost all UN resolutions against Israel but puts its whole weight against the likes iraq not be a double standard?
do you want a list of differences between the two? i can think of probably 4 or 5 hundred differences between iraq and israel
the only similarities between the two are that they are countries and they violated resolutions
to further prove that there's no double standard, let's say jessica alba and rosie o donnel are at a bar and you wanted head from both of these women... would you approache them the exact same way because they are both female and they both have dark hair? no, every situation must be treated differently
now i can see that if there were a bunch of countries we don't like that were violating un res's.. let's say israel, iran, iraq and korea just to name a few... and we attack iran, iraq and n korea and left israel alone... yeah that might be a doulbe standard... but since we are negoitiating with all but iraq.... i don't seee how it's a doulbe standard
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you don't think the jewish lobby has anything to do with then?
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seems as your posts seem to be largley irrelivent i thaught i'd post up a picture of you
(http://storage.msn.com/x1pivENEO7KBoaKCj4slgPZQP1X691eAm0hFxUypGw6Yb49aZFKnjv-mSoibNjeGLvNpgxPjGdB91s4iyJOThilBDKPGdEFUWB34Zqlg8CIud0rLHti8EpKdp1wnpjLoBekiXnnox3KTcqbhuesDtNbag)
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it's not a double standard it's friendship
i bet your friends can call you a dickhead and threaten to beat your ass and you would just laugh it off
but if someone you don't like calls you a dickhead and threatens to beat your ass. you'd probably do something
i'd call that more of an omition than a double standard... both situations are completely different
LMAO... that's the definition of a double standard... fucking retard
how can you have a double standard on two seperate things?
i don't like oranges but i'll eat some steak
OH IT'S A DOUBLE STANDARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you got it twisted, how can america not putting pressuring its friends; like vetoing almost all UN resolutions against Israel but puts its whole weight against the likes iraq not be a double standard?
do you want a list of differences between the two? i can think of probably 4 or 5 hundred differences between iraq and israel
the only similarities between the two are that they are countries and they violated resolutions
to further prove that there's no double standard, let's say jessica alba and rosie o donnel are at a bar and you wanted head from both of these women... would you approache them the exact same way because they are both female and they both have dark hair? no, every situation must be treated differently
now i can see that if there were a bunch of countries we don't like that were violating un res's.. let's say israel, iran, iraq and korea just to name a few... and we attack iran, iraq and n korea and left israel alone... yeah that might be a doulbe standard... but since we are negoitiating with all but iraq.... i don't seee how it's a doulbe standard
Ok, let me give you another analogy. You're dumb, probably at the legal level of being labeled mentally challenged, but I don't know why you're that dumb. I really have no idea how this happened to you. Now just because I don't know why you're a retard, doesn't mean that you aren't one. The same way, you don't see the double standard (probably due to your lack of intelligence), but that doesn't mean the double standard doesn't exist.
oh can't debate so you're left to just calling names....how cute....
get some more education before you decide to talk shit little girl, i put you in your corner way too easy
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It's ok... I understand my analogies just going way over your head.. and my factual insults making your pussy bleed... but that still doesn't explain why you ignore the main argument and instead use insults as an excuse not to respond.... anyways, consider this a lesson... you get a pass this time...
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It's ok... I understand my analogies just going way over your head.. and my factual insults making your pussy bleed... but that still doesn't explain why you ignore the main argument and instead use insults as an excuse not to respond.... anyways, consider this a lesson... you get a pass this time...
what facts have you presented so far?
that the US takes countries that violate UN treaties by a case by case basis?
or how about how easy it is for israeli soldiers to get off of murder raps due to laws that all countries abide by?
here's an analogy for you
damn i just slaughtered you on two fronts, kinda like america is doing to your countrymen as we speak
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It's ok... I understand my analogies just going way over your head.. and my factual insults making your pussy bleed... but that still doesn't explain why you ignore the main argument and instead use insults as an excuse not to respond.... anyways, consider this a lesson... you get a pass this time...
what facts have you presented so far?
that the US takes countries that violate UN treaties by a case by case basis?
or how about how easy it is for israeli soldiers to get off of murder raps due to laws that all countries abide by?
here's an analogy for you
damn i just slaughtered you on two fronts, kinda like america is doing to your countrymen as we speak
LOL you slaughtered me by asking questions? LOL get the fuck outta here... you keep telling yourself that you're right, and maybe at one point even you will start believing yourself, until then just keep stayin on my dick and let me school you on this shit
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It's ok... I understand my analogies just going way over your head.. and my factual insults making your pussy bleed... but that still doesn't explain why you ignore the main argument and instead use insults as an excuse not to respond.... anyways, consider this a lesson... you get a pass this time...
what facts have you presented so far?
that the US takes countries that violate UN treaties by a case by case basis?
or how about how easy it is for israeli soldiers to get off of murder raps due to laws that all countries abide by?
here's an analogy for you
damn i just slaughtered you on two fronts, kinda like america is doing to your countrymen as we speak
LOL you slaughtered me by asking questions? LOL get the fuck outta here... you keep telling yourself that you're right, and maybe at one point even you will start believing yourself, until then just keep stayin on my dick and let me school you on this shit
you schooled me by me teaching you how the world works? ....all that highlighted text in your first post that was to shock people was shut down....your double standard argument was shut down
i see why you call yourself thghost
it's cause i killed yoooooooooooooou
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WTF? Don't come with that George Bush shock and awe bullshit... when was I trying to shock anyone? If something worth knowing, or a fact shocks you, then I feel sorry for you, yet I can understand why you are the idiot that you are. Go educate yourself, and feel free to come back.
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I just realized you're the same guy making threads about dicks in G-Spot... why don't you go play around there and keep talking about shit you're used to riding... politics or anything requiring some sort of common sense ain't your cup of tea...
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what's a matter little girl? my sonning you piss you off so much you have to make two posts?
lol i'm all in your sorry ass head making you gasp for air
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^ no homo, stick to dick threads
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^ no homo, stick to dick threads
your right, i should leave your boy in the corner crying
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I make 1 post sonning you, and just top it off with the icing showing how you're a faggot.... doesn't mean you should focus on the one where I expose you as a faggot because you enjoy the convo, you should still try to defend your argument... or whatever you consider your argument to be.
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I make 1 post sonning you, and just top it off with the icing showing how you're a faggot.... doesn't mean you should focus on the one where I expose you as a faggot because you enjoy the convo, you should still try to defend your argument... or whatever you consider your argument to be.
how'd you son me? i shut up that whole article you put up... then you get on some double standard shit and i shut that up too
then for some reason, i post up a funny fire cracker mishap that just happens to have dick in the subject.... and you think it's gay
can your arab ass read any other english in that subject besides dick? if yes, there goes that whole homo accusation.... and if not, it pretty much means you're the fag
thanks for another post to son you with.... i look forward to making you desperate and reach for much more shit and shutting you down some more
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You say one thing... I destroy that piece of shit argument... you come back saying you said something completely different... I destroy that... then you come with "damn I sonned you"... LoL... your shit is all in your head... you flip flop more than a schizophrenic John Kerry. Now flip flop your ass back into your mom's pussy you fuckin waste of life. You don't even deserve to post your stupidity on my threads of wisdom.
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You say one thing... I destroy that piece of shit argument... you come back saying you said something completely different... I destroy that... then you come with "damn I sonned you"... LoL... your shit is all in your head... you flip flop more than a schizophrenic John Kerry. Now flip flop your ass back into your mom's pussy you fuckin waste of life. You don't even deserve to post your stupidity on my threads of wisdom.
facts
1. i proved your article to be nonsense
2. i proved your double standard debate to be totally stupid and erronous
3. i proved that you're a moron that lost and has to resort to name calling
4. i sonned you
...have fun reading this and know that my job is done here, this case is closed, never for me to return again...even out of the military it's good to know i can still do my part in killing afghans ;D
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Soldier jailed for activist death
An Israeli ex-soldier who shot dead UK peace activist Tom Hurndall in the Gaza Strip has been jailed for eight years.
Ex-sergeant Taysir Hayb was convicted of manslaughter at an Israeli military court in June for shooting Mr Hurndall, of north London, in April 2003.
He was sentenced to seven years for manslaughter and one year for obstruction of justice.
Mr Hurndall, 22, was involved in protests against the Israeli military in the Palestinian town of Rafah.
He died nine months after the shooting.
Hayb's conviction follows a lengthy campaign by Mr Hurndall's family.
It has been a very painful two years
Sophie Hurndall,
Victim's sister
His sister, Sophie Hurndall, said that while she welcomed the verdict it would not bring her brother back.
"It's a huge landmark, it's a milestone, it's the first time that a soldier's been convicted of manslaughter since the first intifada and it's obviously been a long time coming.
"It's been two years of us all working very hard at this."
But she said it was a sad time.
"It has been a very painful two years," she said.
Family's 'determination'
Amnesty International's Kate Allen said that while the person responsible for Mr Hurndall's death had been brought to justice, it was "striking that this was almost entirely due to tireless campaigning by his family".
"The strong suspicion is that if Mr Hurndall's family had not shown utter determination to uncover the truth of their son's death, then no-one would ever have faced justice for what happened to Tom," she said.
BBC Middle East correspondent Lucy Williamson said the sentence was particularly harsh according to the precedent set in Israeli military courts.
"In the last few years they have been handing down light sentences for killing or harming civilians," she said.
But, she said, the judge could have given Hayb up to 20 years in prison.
Instead, he had said that while he wanted to send a strong message that you could not disrespect life, he did not want Hayb to be made a scapegoat, she added.
Human shield
Hayb fired at Mr Hurndall from an Israeli army watchtower, using a sniper rifle with a telescopic sight, the court heard.
Witnesses said Mr Hurndall had been operating as a human shield to escort children away from gunfire when he was hit in the head.
The Israeli army initially disputed this account.
But, under pressure from Mr Hurndall's family and the British government, it ordered a full investigation which led to Hayb's indictment.
Mr Hurndall, a Manchester Metropolitan University journalism and photography student, was in the Gaza Strip with the International Solidarity Movement.
This is a Palestinian-led organisation that includes Westerners and aims to oppose Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories by non-violent means.
In addition to the manslaughter verdict, Hayb was found guilty of obstruction of justice, incitement to false testimony, false testimony and improper conduct.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/uk/4140586.stm