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Title: The Greatest 50 Hip-hop Albums Ever - #15...
Post by: Twentytwofifty on July 19, 2005, 05:21:44 PM
Ice Cube - AmeriKKKa’s Most Wanted (1990) 
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc500/c570/c57034necut.jpg) (http://s48.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0IU0BKTWFEDUT0GHX3U66VJU85)

    Ice Cube is one of hip-hop's most recognizable faces, but these days it has more to do with movies like "Barbershop" and "Are We There Yet?" than it does his rap records.  Before Ice Cube was Hollywood's urban hero, his reputation as the "the nigga ya love to hate" was already cemented by his pivotal role in the rap group N.W.A.  The fact he was the ghostwriter behind Dr. Dre and Eazy-E's raps was hip-hop's least well kept secret; that aside, it was when he spit his own writtens that he shined the brightest.  Ask N.W.A fans what they remember best about the album and you'll undoubtedly hear a recitation of one of his verses, from the gruff "Fuck Tha Police" to the verbally dexterous "Parental Discretion Iz Advised" to the simple yet powerfully evocative "Gangsta, Gangsta," a narrative rap that firmly established him as the group's leader with just one line: "To a kid lookin up to me, life ain't nothin but bitches and money."

    Blunt honesty was Ice Cube's calling card, but shady dealings were the calling cards of Ruthless Records' Eazy-E and Jerry Heller.  The tales of how Cube was exploited are damn near urban legend; some suggesting his entire payment for writing and performances on Straight Outta Compton was little more than a new car, while the label pocketed millions upon millions in profits.  Whatever the arrangement was, Cube clearly realized he was a rap superstar not being given a star's treatment.  As the first to defect from N.W.A he had two guillotines hanging over his head: one ready to slice him if the lyrics weren't up to par with his previous product in the group, the other ready to dice him for anything less than the funky beats provided by music maestros Dr. Dre and DJ Yella.  His answer to the critics on the latter was somewhat shocking: Sir Jinx from his own production crew The Lench Mob shared dutied throughout Cube's debut LP with Public Enemy's infamous beat posse The Bomb Squad.  It was unheard of in 1990 - a West coast, L.A. rapper flowing over East coast beats.
 
    If that statement alone didn't wake people up, Cube wasn't going to take any chances that the point would be missed.  The album's first full length song, "The Nigga Ya Love To Hate" portrayed him as a destabilizing force so dangerous that he had earned the singular ire of the entire populace.  True or not, he was not going to let that stop him from saying what he wanted, when he wanted:

They try to keep me from runnin up
I never tell you to get down, it's all about comin up
So what they do, go and ban the AK?
My shit wasn't registered any-fuckin-way
So you better duck away run and hide out
When I'm rollin real slow and the lights out
Cause I'm about, to fuck up the program
Shootin out the window of a drop-top Brougham
When I'm shootin let's see who drop
The police, the media, and suckers that went pop
And motherfuckers that say they too black
Put 'em overseas they be beggin to come back
They say we promote gangs and drugs
You wanna sweep a nigga like me up under the rug
Kickin shit called street knowledge
Why more niggaz in the pen than in college?
Because of that line I might be your cellmate
That's from the nigga ya love to hate!


    Cube correctly surmises that yellow-bellied journalists blame him and his fellow hardcore rappers for "promoting gangs and drugs" while failing to note that his real danger to AmeriKKKa was his willingness to question why more prisons are built than schools.  To the hip-hop listener with a fine tuned ear for lyrics, Cube's choice of the Bomb Squad on beats suddenly made perfect sense as a way to emphasize his political views the same way they did for Chuck D in P.E.  To further emphasize this link, Cube and Chuck shared the spotlight on the song "Endangered Species" in a rap about the nationwide decimation of black men.

    Not every song on the album has a subtext or social message.  "I'm Only Out For One Thing" featuring Flavor Flav is all about the joys of sex, "Rollin' Wit the Lench Mob" is a braggadocious ode to his crew with a sly diss to being too preachy in your raps ("Some rappers are heaven sent, but 'Self Destruction' don't pay the fuckin rent"), and "It's a Man's World" is a battle of the sexes where Yo-Yo makes her national debut by putting Cube is his place and effectively saying, "Hey it's a woman's world too!".  These songs balance out the more blunt offerings like "Turn Off the Radio," where a fed up Ice Cube recognizes that only happy non controversial pablum will ever get played in a national top ten.

    It's hard to really put into context just how revolutionary this album was.  Like Boogie Down Productions' By All Means Necessary, the album combined the hardest of hardcore MC's with dope beats while the messages offered hope against a corrupt system within a decaying social fabric.  To the hip-hop nation it was straight up truth, while conservatives blasted the violence and profanity and completely missed the point.  For the younger generation, black white and otherwise, it wasn't hard to get the message.  Even if they were turned on by Ice Cube's "Gangsta Gangsta" persona and "fuck you" attitude, they discovered that the fiery rapper was also breaking down hard facts in digestible and highly quotable chunks of hardcore rap.  The lyrics alone would be among the best Cube has written in his career, and the beats alone would be among the best Sir Jinx or The Bomb Squad has ever made, but the potency of the two together make AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted a watershed album.  On AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted, a lucid Ice Cube quite effectively articulates just how bad things are in the America's inner cities — and how badly things need to change.


50. Dr. Dre – 2001 (1999) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=73625.0)
49. Outkast – Southernplayalisticaddicmuzik (1994) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=73777.0)
48. Jay-Z – Reasonable Doubt (1996) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=74040.0)
47. Kool G Rap & DJ Polo – Wanted: Dead Or Alive (1990) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=74218.0)
46. Redman – Whut? Thee Album (1992) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=74531.0)
45. De La Soul - De La Soul Is Dead (1991) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=74834.0)
44. Fugees – The Score (1996) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=75061.0)
43. The D.O.C. – No One Can Do It Better (1989) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=75381.0)
42. Common Sense - Resurrection (1994) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=75589.0)
41. Makaveli - The Don Kiluminati: The 7 Day Theory (1996) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=75939.0)
40. Public Enemy – Fear Of A Black Planet (1990) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=76104.0)
39. Ice Cube – Death Certificate (1992) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=76728.0)
38. Gza/Genius - Liquid Swords (1995) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=77194.0)
37. N.W.A – Efil4zaggin (1991) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=77354.0)
36. Main Source – Breaking Atoms (1991) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=77548.0)
35. Geto Boys – Grip It! On That Other Level (1989) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=78193.0)
34. Brand Nubian – One For All (1990) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=78454.0)
33. Scarface – The Diary (1994) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=78896.0)
32. Kool G Rap & DJ Polo – Road To The Riches (1989) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=78973.0)
31. Beastie Boys – Licensed To Ill (1986) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=78994.0)
30. Ultramagnetic MC's – Critical Beatdown (1988) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=79307.0)
29. LL Cool J – Radio (1985) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=79487.0)
28. 2Pac – All Eyez On Me (1996) (http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/dre700/e771/e771847607k.jpg)
27. Mobb Deep – The Infamous… (1995) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=80115.0)
26. Eric B. & Rakim – Follow The Leader (1988) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=80302.0)
25. Big Daddy Kane – It’s A Big Daddy (1989) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=80735.0)
24. Pete Rock & C.L. Smooth – Mecca And The Soul Brother (1992) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=80831.0)
23. Black Moon – Enta Da Stage (1993) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=80894.0)
22. Outkast – Aquemini (1998) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=81163.0)
21. A Tribe Called Quest – People’s Instinctive Travels And The Paths Of Rhythm (1990) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=81368.0)
20. Run-D.M.C. – Run-D.M.C. (1984) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=81525.0)
19. Boogie Down Productions – By All Means Necessary (1988) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=81656.0)
18. Raekwon – Only Built 4 Cuban Linx… (1995) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=81932.0)
17. De La Soul – 3 Feet High And Rising (1989) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=82271.0)
16. Snoop Doggy Dogg – Doggystyle (1993) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=82438.0)
15. Ice Cube – AmeriKKKa’s Most Wanted (1990)
Title: Re: The Greatest 50 Hip-hop Albums Ever - #15...
Post by: Twentytwofifty on July 19, 2005, 05:25:25 PM
I'll make some comments here to make things easier for some of you:

Bullshit, this is top five easy.

Bullshit, this is top ten easy.

Death Certificate is a better album.


Just hit the quote button and edit it to keep the comment you want.
Title: Re: The Greatest 50 Hip-hop Albums Ever - #15...
Post by: Capo Di Tutti I Capi on July 19, 2005, 05:43:57 PM
No I'm actually suprised that this album made it.. But I still think that there is better album's that are further down the list like: Infamous, Only Built 4 cuban linx, doggystyle, 7 day theory etc.
Title: Re: The Greatest 50 Hip-hop Albums Ever - #15...
Post by: eS El Duque on July 19, 2005, 05:57:56 PM
Just hit the quote button and edit it to keep the comment you want.
Title: Re: The Greatest 50 Hip-hop Albums Ever - #15...
Post by: Javier on July 19, 2005, 07:10:20 PM
words cant describe how I feel about this Album.  Its actually my personal best from the West coast.
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Post by: Woodrow on July 19, 2005, 07:31:14 PM
Bullshit, this is top five easy.
IMO.
Title: Re: The Greatest 50 Hip-hop Albums Ever - #15...
Post by: The Watcher on July 19, 2005, 07:33:13 PM
never really dug Ice Cube as a solo artist.. this album is in the right position
Title: Re: The Greatest 50 Hip-hop Albums Ever - #15...
Post by: West Coast Veteran on July 19, 2005, 07:38:26 PM

Bullshit, this is top five easy.

Bullshit, this is top ten easy.

Death Certificate is a better album.


All of the above ;D
Title: Re: The Greatest 50 Hip-hop Albums Ever - #15...
Post by: Elevz on July 19, 2005, 10:09:07 PM
I'll make some comments here to make things easier for some of you:

Bullshit, this is top five easy.

Bullshit, this is top ten easy.

Death Certificate is a better album.


Just hit the quote button and edit it to keep the comment you want.

Bullshit, I was looking at the board index, saw you posted #15 up and I was THINKING "AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted". I was actually just listening to this album 10 minutes ago (matter of fact, I'm still listening to it). Another great pick, well ranked too. Not overrated, not underrated. Simply a great album. Death Certificate a better album? I don't know, they're pretty much equal to me. Bullshit, this is top 15 easy ;)
Title: Re: The Greatest 50 Hip-hop Albums Ever - #15...
Post by: Woodrow on July 19, 2005, 10:31:06 PM
Bullshit, I was looking at the board index, saw you posted #15 up and I was THINKING "AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted". I was actually just listening to this album 10 minutes ago (matter of fact, I'm still listening to it). Another great pick, well ranked too. Not overrated, not underrated. Simply a great album. Death Certificate a better album? I don't know, they're pretty much equal to me. Bullshit, this is top 15 easy ;)

Plain and simple: Your opinion is wrong...

IMO this shoulda been at least top 10, but fuck it, I'm not doing the list...

Title: Re: The Greatest 50 Hip-hop Albums Ever - #15...
Post by: Elevz on July 19, 2005, 10:39:43 PM
Bullshit, I was looking at the board index, saw you posted #15 up and I was THINKING "AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted". I was actually just listening to this album 10 minutes ago (matter of fact, I'm still listening to it). Another great pick, well ranked too. Not overrated, not underrated. Simply a great album. Death Certificate a better album? I don't know, they're pretty much equal to me. Bullshit, this is top 15 easy ;)

Plain and simple: Your opinion is wrong...

Explain this. How can an opinion be wrong? At first, I was even thinking this album might not even have made the list since Death Certificate wasn't in the top 40. Then again, ain't no denying this album's power. Had to be somewhere around the #15 spot, and here it is. Couldn't be ranked better, in my wrong opinion.
Title: Re: The Greatest 50 Hip-hop Albums Ever - #15...
Post by: makaveli11 on July 19, 2005, 11:38:45 PM

Bullshit, this is top five easy.

Bullshit, this is top ten easy.

Death Certificate is a better album.


All of the above ;D
Title: Re: The Greatest 50 Hip-hop Albums Ever - #15...
Post by: Denial! Is Actively Joinin The Revolution on July 20, 2005, 02:30:45 AM
this is wat im goin to take into work to listen to thanx! i woz thinkin of wat cd i wanted to listen to

keep up the good work knuckles!
Title: Re: The Greatest 50 Hip-hop Albums Ever - #15...
Post by: Timmeeeehh on July 20, 2005, 03:08:44 AM
never really dug Ice Cube as a solo artist.. this album is in the right position
Title: Re: The Greatest 50 Hip-hop Albums Ever - #15...
Post by: Kill on July 20, 2005, 04:55:06 AM
Plain and simple: Your opinion is wrong...
sorry, that statement is an insult to your own intelligence

IM wrong O it´s very well ranked
Title: Re: The Greatest 50 Hip-hop Albums Ever - #15...
Post by: Traumatized on July 20, 2005, 12:16:31 PM
Death Certificate is a better album.

 ;)
Title: Re: The Greatest 50 Hip-hop Albums Ever - #15...
Post by: Twentytwofifty on July 20, 2005, 12:43:58 PM
I was even thinking this album might not even have made the list since Death Certificate wasn't in the top 40.

It is in the top 40.
Title: Re: The Greatest 50 Hip-hop Albums Ever - #15...
Post by: Don Jacob on July 20, 2005, 12:55:02 PM
1. not better than doggystyle
2. better than most albums coming up
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Post by: Diabolical on July 20, 2005, 01:36:54 PM
I agree its not as good as Doggystyle or Death Certificate.
Title: Re: The Greatest 50 Hip-hop Albums Ever - #15...
Post by: Woodrow on July 20, 2005, 02:14:39 PM

Explain this. How can an opinion be wrong? At first, I was even thinking this album might not even have made the list since Death Certificate wasn't in the top 40. Then again, ain't no denying this album's power. Had to be somewhere around the #15 spot, and here it is. Couldn't be ranked better, in my wrong opinion.

Boy that shit went right over your head didn't it?
Title: Re: The Greatest 50 Hip-hop Albums Ever - #15...
Post by: Just Another Sunny day in California on July 20, 2005, 02:18:55 PM
I agree its not as good as Doggystyle or Death Certificate.
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Post by: ImmortalOne on July 20, 2005, 11:30:37 PM
An awesome album obviously, but ranked a little too high IMO. I would say this is in the top 20 somewhere, as I consider Death Certificate to be Cube's best work.
Title: Re: The Greatest 50 Hip-hop Albums Ever - #15...
Post by: Fuck You, Pay Me on July 21, 2005, 12:04:40 AM

Explain this. How can an opinion be wrong? At first, I was even thinking this album might not even have made the list since Death Certificate wasn't in the top 40. Then again, ain't no denying this album's power. Had to be somewhere around the #15 spot, and here it is. Couldn't be ranked better, in my wrong opinion.

Boy that shit went right over your head didn't it?

LMAO
Title: Re: The Greatest 50 Hip-hop Albums Ever - #15...
Post by: icebergslimIII on July 21, 2005, 04:56:29 PM
I disagree with this entire list. This list was obviously generated by someone with too much time on his hands and was purely for shock value. Amerikkka's Most Wanted ahead of Death Certificate and Dre's 2001? What the phuck!  It's absurd that these unknown, no talent east coast artist are up this high in the rankings. I can see Run DMC and Beastie Boys, but u have to go with record sales to a certain extent. The top 10 albums of all time would certainly for sure include albums by Dr Dre,NWA, Tupac, Snoop Dogg, 50 cent, Eminem, LL Cool J, Run DMC and Notorious. A list should be on a artists long term stability in the industry and his/her success afterwards like Cube has had with movies and of course, record sales. This list is outrageous and absurd!
Title: Re: The Greatest 50 Hip-hop Albums Ever - #15...
Post by: icebergslimIII on July 21, 2005, 04:59:47 PM
Let me clarify that the poster has put in a lot of time and effort for his list and his work is very good, I just disagree with artists like Main Source, Kool G Rap, Redman, Tribe Called Quest, etc all ranked as high as they are. I mean, I can't name one classic song from them. The list guy obviously has a slant towards East Coast artists.
Title: Re: The Greatest 50 Hip-hop Albums Ever - #15...
Post by: Javier on July 21, 2005, 05:07:11 PM
Let me clarify that the poster has put in a lot of time and effort for his list and his work is very good, I just disagree with artists like Main Source, Kool G Rap, Redman, Tribe Called Quest, etc all ranked as high as they are. I mean, I can't name one classic song from them. The list guy obviously has a slant towards East Coast artists.


wow if uc ant name a classic from ATCQ than ur really missing out
Title: Re: The Greatest 50 Hip-hop Albums Ever - #15...
Post by: Ðøšïå on July 21, 2005, 05:08:39 PM

Explain this. How can an opinion be wrong? At first, I was even thinking this album might not even have made the list since Death Certificate wasn't in the top 40. Then again, ain't no denying this album's power. Had to be somewhere around the #15 spot, and here it is. Couldn't be ranked better, in my wrong opinion.

Boy that shit went right over your head didn't it?

lol
Title: Re: The Greatest 50 Hip-hop Albums Ever - #15...
Post by: Twentytwofifty on July 21, 2005, 06:19:16 PM
I disagree with this entire list. This list was obviously generated by someone with too much time on his hands and was purely for shock value. Amerikkka's Most Wanted ahead of Death Certificate and Dre's 2001? What the phuck!  It's absurd that these unknown, no talent east coast artist are up this high in the rankings. I can see Run DMC and Beastie Boys, but u have to go with record sales to a certain extent. The top 10 albums of all time would certainly for sure include albums by Dr Dre,NWA, Tupac, Snoop Dogg, 50 cent, Eminem, LL Cool J, Run DMC and Notorious. A list should be on a artists long term stability in the industry and his/her success afterwards like Cube has had with movies and of course, record sales. This list is outrageous and absurd!

Let me clarify that the poster has put in a lot of time and effort for his list and his work is very good, I just disagree with artists like Main Source, Kool G Rap, Redman, Tribe Called Quest, etc all ranked as high as they are. I mean, I can't name one classic song from them. The list guy obviously has a slant towards East Coast artists.

bwahahahaha

I do even respond to this nonsense?  I'll assume you're just stupid and not joking.
Now first off, this doesn't really take as much time as you would think.  If you've mastered the art of copy and paste then you're okay.  I just basically have to insert and new review everytime which I copy most of anyways.  And I do most of this during work time also.

That hell with it, the rest of it is too stupid to comment on.  Download the albums and do your homework newbie.