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It's my personal belief, around the time of 1986 Rock music started too die a slow death. Not because of pop, but, because of lack of talent, shallow, hollow music. How many times can you sing about fallen in love, sex, and party music. Led zeppelin, Beatles, and Rolling stones sung about some interesting topics you can relate to. Beatles song 'revolution states "you say you want a revolution... well you know. We all want to change the world." Did you know there's a hidden meaning in the song that states..
"Well you know that you can count me out.....In". You have to listen real closely to here the In. But its there. I state that to say, music had feeling with emotions involved. Todays music is void of anything meaningful
Artilcle below written courtesy of
Antimusic.com
Throughout his short and turbulent life music critic and author Lester Bangs would repeatedly denounce the state of rock and roll, regularly criticizing it and on many occasions declaring it dead. Bangs’ prophecies about rock’s premature death were always greatly exaggerated since rock still remains and will endure for generations to come but none can question the overall decline of rock radio’s ratings in North America.
As reported by Steve Knopper in a June 24th, Rolling Stone article; five rock radio stations in major U.S. cities switched formats in recent months after ratings dropped for six consecutive years. This does come at an odd time since, as explained by Knopper in his article, rock albums have dominated the charts the past few months. Artists such as Coldplay, Green Day, Audioslave, System of a Down, Bruce Springsteen, Nine Inch Nails, the Dave Matthews Band, and Rob Thomas have all experienced success on the billboard charts this past spring and summer.
But this success is fleeting since rock radio station ratings are still in decline. In a March 8th article in Rolling Stone, Bill Werde reported only six percent of teenagers in the U.S. listen to rock at any given time, compared with nearly twenty percent listening to urban radio and forty percent listening to Top Forty radio stations. Since 1998 album-oriented rock stations have seen listenership fall seventy percent while Spanish-language radio ratings are up thirty percent the latter of which could be partly attributed to the Hispanic population becoming the United States’ largest minority population in 2003.
Along with demographic reasons, the decline of rock radio could also be attributed to the Internet and illegal downloading, Satellite radio and the overall ignorance of the music industry towards rock music.
“It seems the current music industry doesn’t focus on rock musicians as much as pop stars,” says rock fan T.J Karpinka of Sherwood Park, Canada. “Too me, it’s more of a cash grab than anything.”
And it’s not just fans that feel that way but performers as well. “An act like ours wouldn’t even be around today if someone hadn’t brought us along and let us make mistakes and grow at our own pace,” said Tom Petty in a Rolling Stone interview with David Wild in 2002. E-street Band guitarist and Sopranos actor Stevie Van Zandt said similar comments in an interview earlier this year with News Hour Correspondent Terrence Smith where the rocker stated that if the Rolling Stones were starting out today, they wouldn’t get airplay on regular radio.
An employee from 97.7 HTZ-FM in St, Catharines, Canada who wished to remain anonymous blamed the decline mainly on the quality of mainstream rock. “I think the primary factor numbers have slid because of mediocre music. If you don’t have great music than you don’t have competitive format and listeners will start looking elsewhere for their entertainment. Be it building libraries for their iPods or listening to old CDs.”
The emergence of satellite radio, though still in its infancy, has the potential to take a significant chunk of listeners away from standard radio over the next few years. XM Satellite Radio declares themselves America’s most popular satellite radio service with over 150 digital channels featuring 100% commercial-free music, over 30 channels of news, sports, talk and entertainment, over 20 dedicated channels of traffic & weather, and a deep playlist with access to over 2 million titles. Sirius Satellite Radio is also making inroads landing popular shock jock Howard Stern who debuts this upcoming January in all his uncensored glory. Sirius declined to comment on rock radio’s situation saying, “Unfortunately, we are not able to accommodate your request to speak to someone at SIRIUS regarding the decline of rock on terrestrial radio.”
And it wasn’t just Sirius who declined comment from my requests for interviews but also programmers, on air personalities and managers from standard radio stations. Ryan Zimmerman, Program Director for Edmonton’s modern rock station 100.3 The Bear was one of many who responded by saying “not interested.” So obviously many of these stations are putting on a brave face saying everything is fine but behind the scenes there could be a genuine fear that the future may be bleak for all types of stations and not just rock radio stations
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Rock is dead, has been dead for a long long time. It died about the time Kurt Cobain did.
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lol..isn't everything dying these days? People state that rocks dead, hip hop's dead, i was even reading an article few mths back saying MOS has had a massive decrease and proclaimed that dance/electronica is dead.
Now it seems to me there's too many people out there reflecting upon the glory days of music i.e. 60's, 70's etc, where they can see the impact that the past artists have made and the problem is today's musicians impact isn't as reflective. Music is subjective and the problem with that is people love to jump on these sort of bandwagons because it makes them feel as though their opinion is correct because it goes with the majority.
Through out the history of music there has always been novelty/shit songs, but they fade and artists of quality are remembered, guarenteed it will happen with this decade.
Rock isn't dead, truth is it's quite easy to make these ignorant statements but if new music isn't supported/ignored then of course it won't continue to progress
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Rock is dead, has been dead for a long long time. It died about the time Kurt Cobain did.
If Rock died with Kurt Cobain then Rap died with 2pac
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lol..isn't everything dying these days? People state that rocks dead, hip hop's dead, i was even reading an article few mths back saying MOS has had a massive decrease and proclaimed that dance/electronica is dead.
Now it seems to me there's too many people out there reflecting upon the glory days of music i.e. 60's, 70's etc, where they can see the impact that the past artists have made and the problem is today's musicians impact isn't as reflective. Music is subjective and the problem with that is people love to jump on these sort of bandwagons because it makes them feel as though their opinion is correct because it goes with the majority.
Through out the history of music there has always been novelty/shit songs, but they fade and artists of quality are remembered, guarenteed it will happen with this decade.
Rock isn't dead, truth is it's quite easy to make these ignorant statements but if new music isn't supported/ignored then of course it won't continue to progress
Valid Points. But, name an artist besides Nirvana, Tupac, Biggie, etc... and basically we should stick to Rock Music. HipHop is still on Top. Hell, even Metallica went downhill.
"Rock is dead, has been dead for a long long time. It died about the time Kurt Cobain did"
Trauma, Nirvana was good. But, I have to disagree with you on the time frame. After Genesis, the Police, and Journey split it was hard to find good ole fashioned rock music. That's why in my state Classic Rock is the number 1 in ratings according to Arbitron. ACDC getting close to outselling thriller Not in world wide sales but in U.S sales.
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It's hard to mention names of artists in a thread of this context because people are ready to compare and shoot their talents down.
However only just last weekend i was at Splendour In the Grass, which is a two day festival held on the coast of Aust, which featured Queens of the Stone Age, Bloc Party and Interpol amoungst a vast amount of other bands. QOTSA in particular i rate highly, definatly my favourite rock band out at the moment, while the other two have tremendous potential. All three put on highlight performances
Others would include;
Radiohead, Oasis, White Stripes, Beck (to an extent), Tool, U2 (it's given their not as good as they were), Peral Jam, Green Day, NIN, Dave Matthews Band, Foo Fighters and as much as i dislike their later music i guess you could include Red Hot Chili Peppers.
Potentially good artists;
The Killers/Bloc Party - At the moment i'd say they're just a good bands, but great bands gotta start out somewhere.
The Mars Volta - Latest album was average imo, but older tracks shows potential.
For a non-rock sound Norah Jones. Ok fair enough she's not of legend status but i rate her talents and felt the need to give her a quick mention.
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today most rock is that dry stuff, about white boyz complaining about their parents, a girlfriend that has left them, ect. We don't have the true rock from grateful dead, beetles, rolling stones, and areosmith. It's sad that most people don't even know it is black people who started rock n roll. 8)
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"The problem with hip hop...shit...nothin at all
its an artform it ranges and it changes it evolves
its not always for the better but be patient with it yall
for our time will come and the wicked will fall"
----Murs on "The Biggest Lie" from Felt 2
I agree with this....not just for hip hop....Rock applies to this to. Its all growth....music would be boring as hell if it was still the same as it was 19 years ago. I sure as hell wouldn't listen to it
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Well id say rock is bigger than ever in the US right now. Look at Emo.
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i think real rock is dead as a popular genre, but there is lots of really dope indie shit that u hardly see on MTV
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but what is "real rock"....who decides what real rock is? its all personal preference
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yea rock isnt as good now as 60s and 70s, but theres still a good amt of good rock out, enough for me to love the genre, but theres also a lot of crap.
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*entered topic banging "Back In Black"*
Rock is dead, has been dead for a long long time. It died about the time Kurt Cobain did.
what do you base this statement upon? If rock music is dead, an album like "Californication" is a damn good example of dead music
There are a lot of bands that are still active which make good and creative "rock" music. People tend to glorify the past anyways, that applies to rock as much as it does to hiphop. If you think about the 60´s and 70´s, you think of Jimi, The Doors, Led Zep, Beatles etc. Matter of fact, at that time, shitty rock bands were as abundant as fish in the sea - we just don´t know them now. But I´ve talked about this with my parents who were teenagers/semi-hippies at that time, the rock scene was as full of crap as it is now, according to them.
Nowadays, for several reasons, we might not have a Jimi or a band like the Beatles. Denying that there is a lot of talent in rock music is pretty much demonizing the situation though. Coldplay, Mars Volta, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Arcade Fire, Bright Eyes, still-running-strong ass Bruce Springsteen, Pearl Jam (there´s a reason they survived grunge), Radiohead, to name only a few, all make good music and are successful.
Of course, rock, like every genre, is always influenced by the time it is made in. It ain´t 1968, so we can´t have no "Electric Ladyland" or "Strange Days". Duh. That doesn´t mean today´s rock musicians are less talented or creative. I can´t understand why so many people keep comparing today´s bands to Led Zeppelin or The Doors; the comparison itself is inadequate. Considering the background rock musicians have today, I cannot say they all make bad music. The statement just seem stupid to me.
Plus, bands turn into legends and albums turn into classics with the time. "Illmatic", to make a hiphop comparison, sold little when it came out, "Back In Black" was released in 1980, had sold 5 million copies by 1984, but 19 million in 2003. You can never compare the stuff of today to earlier records.
To sum up, while I do agree we are not living in the glory days of rock music, people see things a lot to simple. It´s not like fewer talented artists were born after 1970. There is a lot of good stuff and time will tell how long it´s gonna last and what significance it´s gonna have in 10 years
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actually i think theres a lot more music nowadays in general, and we just don't hear a lot of good stuff because theres only so much one can listen to. Theres plenty of talented rock bands right now, but i guess the reason i agree with the statement that "Real rock is dead" is because good rock isn't the most popular genre anymore, as it used to be. NOw it's either dumbass dirty south hip hop or whiny emo pop-punk bands who sell the most records
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i agree with suffice....I mean....all you ever hear on the radio is the mainstream stuff....Yeah back in the years your talking about the good music was a lot more apparent...now most people don't listen to the good stuff they listen to that shit mtv plays. But you can still find tons of good rock music. You just have to search a bit
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didnt rock die out in the 80's??
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^ naaaa. id agree with shallow wen he said 80s killed rock, but in general, like i said before, theres def a lot of dope bands out now.
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The genre as a whole is dead, but like anything there's of course exceptions.
Flash back to the 60's, though, and nearly EVERY band was good. About anything on the radio was great. In the 70's, you still had tons of talented bands, the 80's I guess had your big stadium and hair bands, and the last stand for rock was the alternative scene, which tapered off about the time Kurt Cobain died.
Yes, Californication was alright, the White Stripes are the best in the world, Oasis are still strong, etc. but Rock as a whole is dead.
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id agree with shallow wen he said 80s killed rock,
I said that?
Rock isn't dead. They just call it hip hop now. Sabbath sounded nothling like Elvis but they were both rock, Floyd sounded nothing like Little Richard but they were both rock, and Jay Z sounded nothing GnR but trust me they were both rock. Eminem or 50 sound nothing like Nirvana sounded but they are all rock.
Rock and Roll is an attitude, not a specific sound.
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^^ in a way, you´re right. But then, Marvin Gaye or Parliament were rock music too
Flash back to the 60's, though, and nearly EVERY band was good.
were you around back then? Because I know people who were around, and they´d strongly disagree with you
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^^ in a way, you´re right. But then, Marvin Gaye or Parliament were rock music too
Of course they were. I never meant to imply they weren't. If Elvis is Rock and Roll then you can't say Marvin Gaye isn't.
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^^ by that definition, you´re right. and by that definition it´s IMO absurd to declare rock music dead
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Flash back to the 60's, though, and nearly EVERY band was good. About anything on the radio was great.
You don't really believe that do you? It doesnt matter what era of music you look at the market is still gonna be flooded with shit. The reason it seems like back then there was nothing but great music is because nobody talks about the shitty music because they didn't make it big. Same type of thing now the radio has just switched it up a bit.....there is mostly shitty stuff on the the radio but there is A TON of good stuff available that doesn't get regular radio play
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id agree with shallow wen he said 80s killed rock,
I said that?
yes.
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id agree with shallow wen he said 80s killed rock,
I said that?
yes.
I know I said the 80s were shit, but I don't remember saying it was dead because of the 80s. I loved GnR, Metallica, 80's Springsteen, later Nirvana, Pearl Jam etc.
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^^ in a way, you´re right. But then, Marvin Gaye or Parliament were rock music too
Flash back to the 60's, though, and nearly EVERY band was good.
were you around back then? Because I know people who were around, and they´d strongly disagree with you
Oh, you know old people. Great. It's common knowledge that the music scene in the 60's was far, far more creative, and generally great than the music scene is today. I've got a vast collection of albums, including many, many cd's and records of bands from the 60's, and yes I think I'm qualified to say that even your average bands that were around in the 60's were much more talented and generally better than your average bands around today, who don't have a spark of creativity and make cookie cutter rock music. Most rock today is nothing but manufactured emotion by silly egotisticals who think they're the only one who ever fell in love with some girl who didn't want them. Yay.
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If you feel so strongly inclined why not do something about it? It's one thing to have such an ignorant view but i think it's very disrespectful to cut down those that are trying to come through and make music that people will enjoy.
If anything musicians these days have to be more creative than the one in the past because they have to have the innovation not to produce a sound that has been covered or is comparable. Lyrics wise, perhaps the creativity isn't there as much but i think overall censorship plays a big part in that. Perfect example is Bob Dylan, who wrote in "code" to express what he couldnt say as it was. Where as today's society is more evolved and musician's can express themselves more freely with the only restrictions incurred is felt by commercial radio.
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Trauma your always talking about the lack of creativity in rock now....but you don't realize there are so many great bands:
Keane
Sufjan Stevens
Sondre Lerche
Radiohead
Oasis
The Killers
Ray LaMontagne
Our Lady Peace
Team Sleep
Audioslave
30 Seconds To Mars
Andreas Johnson
Ben Folds
Citizen Cope
Coldplay
Damien Rice
Dave Matthews
Postal Service
Death Cab For Cutie
Iron & Wine
Modest Mouse
Muse
Ozma (though they recently broke up)
Sparta
The Decemberists
Third Eye Blind
Just to name a few.....how can you say artists like these arent creative? oh wait let me do it for you: future quote from trauma "every single artist on that list is just a product of the rock from the 60's....the 60's was when all the originality came out....atleast thats what my mommy told me"
yet all the artists from the 60's were just a product of the stuff from the 40's and 50's....music changes, music grows, and good music still exists....but we get people like you bitching about it all the time and it makes other people say the same shit when they haven't even looked for good music. The fact is bands are just as creative today as they were in the 60's
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Rock is dead, has been dead for a long long time. It died about the time Kurt Cobain did.
If Rock died with Kurt Cobain then Rap died with 2pac
basicly
but id say rap died after 50 cent came along em and dre were keepin it alive till 50 fucked shit up
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when bands like green day are making albums like "american Idiot" you can't say rock is dead , then like some one said earlier, there's ALOT of stuff that doesn't get played on MTV that is also realy great.
and rap has NEVER been on top, Rock music has been consistantly the best selling form of music for decades now, rap just gets played more on MTV and is marketed more in the mainstream
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Trauma your always talking about the lack of creativity in rock now....but you don't realize there are so many great bands:
Keane
Sufjan StevensSondre Lerche
Radiohead
Oasis
The Killers
Ray LaMontagneOur Lady PeaceTeam Sleep
Audioslave
30 Seconds To MarsAndreas Johnson
Ben Folds
Citizen Cope
Coldplay
Damien RiceDave Matthews
Postal Service
Death Cab For CutieIron & Wine
Modest Mouse
Muse
Ozma (though they recently broke up)Sparta
The Decemberists
Third Eye Blind
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^ muse is fuckin awesome, dave mathews is the ish, but the new cd sucks, i like death cab but its not really rock and is a bit whiney, modest mouse is dope as shit, and original, postal service is not rock but is awesome, i dont know much about damien rice but the blowers daughter is simply amazing.
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but dont forget about stuff like
red hot chili peppers,,weezer, blink 182,the strokes, Linkin Park, the mars volta, Franz Ferdinand ( they deffinately disapeared), The shins, The killers, No Doubt, Green Day, Sublime, Rage Against the machine,queens of the stone age, jack johnson, arcade fire, ..
i mean, i loooove the 60s and 70s, my fav bands are from that era, but originality wise, i mean, of course the beatles were original, they were the 1st of their kind in many many categories, but like, since the 60s, we have had 45 years of millions of bands trying different shit etc, and now its very hard to be original, some bands are just giving up, some bands just dont even try, but still sell, for some reason ?? and their shit is horrible, but thats besides the point, theres still some originality flowing, like the killers, they literally are doing like 80s style pop rock, and its great, and its a breath of fresh air, becasue it really is good music, or bands like mars volta who are doing 70s style shit, but both killers and mars volta take ideas from those erras but like recreate and renew them. just like led zeppelin and beatles took some aspects of blues....
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Trauma your always talking about the lack of creativity in rock now....but you don't realize there are so many great bands:
Keane
Sufjan Stevens
Sondre Lerche
Radiohead
Oasis
The Killers
Ray LaMontagne
Our Lady Peace
Team Sleep
Audioslave
30 Seconds To Mars
Andreas Johnson
Ben Folds
Citizen Cope
Coldplay
Damien Rice
Dave Matthews
Postal Service
Death Cab For Cutie
Iron & Wine
Modest Mouse
Muse
Ozma (though they recently broke up)
Sparta
The Decemberists
Third Eye Blind
Just to name a few.....how can you say artists like these arent creative? oh wait let me do it for you: future quote from trauma "every single artist on that list is just a product of the rock from the 60's....the 60's was when all the originality came out....atleast thats what my mommy told me"
yet all the artists from the 60's were just a product of the stuff from the 40's and 50's....music changes, music grows, and good music still exists....but we get people like you bitching about it all the time and it makes other people say the same shit when they haven't even looked for good music. The fact is bands are just as creative today as they were in the 60's
Music in the 60's was nothing like music in the 40's. Music in the 60's was an evolution of the Rock & Roll people like Chuck Berry and Little Richard, and Elvis invented! in the late 50's. It was a natural evolution in a creative, brilliant way, 10 years down the line.
We're now 50 years down the line, and they haven't evolved. Playing your instruments louder does not mean you've evolved. Singing every song with a half melodrama does not mean you've evolved. Singing songs about how some girl fucked you up does not mean you've evolved.
You're comparing the originators, to people who have been doing the same thing that's been going on for decades.
You STILL, with your small mind, miss my point as well. I never said every band wasn't creative, there are creative, good Rock bands out there, but all in all, Rock stopped growing, and died, around the time Kurt Cobain did. There has been no growth since then. There hasn't been shit since then that's anything to be proud of. I'll list some bands that are still making good music, but that doesn't save the genre. All of these bands combined don't stand to the Beatles, for instance.
Out of your entire list, I'll give Our lady peace props. Half ass creative.
You said Oasis, you mean the same Oasis who were around before Kurt died? Who aren't as good NOW, as they were THEN?
You said Audioslave, but you really mean Chris Cornell, who was around with Soundgarden, again before Kurt died, and who isn't as good in Audioslave as he was in Soundgarden? Or do you mean the rest of the band, formerly known as Rage against the Machine, who were of course around in the early 90's as well when I'm saying Rock died.
You mentioned Radiohead, another band who aren't as good now, as they were in the early 90's.
I'll add Weezer to the list, again not as good now as they were in 94.
Who else? Red Hot Chili Peppers? You mean the guys from the 80's?
U2? Early 80's?
Metallica? Early 80's?
Velvet Revolver? GNR from the 80's, and Scotty from STP?
White Stripes would count, they're newer, and brilliant. Bravo for them. That's why I consider them the best band in the world.
You can take all of the bands like Staind, Puddle Of Mud, Godsmack, etc. and throw 'em in the fucking trash.
The excuse that "We've had 45 years of bands making Rock, it's hard to do something different' is the biggest, lamest bullshit excuse I've ever heard! When the Beatles came along, they weren't the first to record music, they changed the entire musical climate and steered even social aspects of the world through fucking MUSIC. Nobody around today has even a 5th of the talent they did, and it wasn't even a quantitive talent, they weren't even very good instrumentalists, didn't have particularly great voices, just a normal everyday average band who became great, through hard work and creativity. There was no Mozart in the Beatles.
That you would list a band like Third Eye Blind as proof of Rock's vitality, is hilarious.
Again you misinterpret everything I say, I like Third Eye Blind, and I've even seen them live in Concert. They are, however, regression not progression in music, Rock and their type of it is Dead.
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Oh, and I"ll also give queens of the stone age a prop. Good, talented band.
You went on to name a ton of bands from the early 90's, again, though... Rage against the Machine, No Doubt, Rage against the Machine, Sublime, etc. Rock has died since then, and in a matter of time all these bands won't be around anymore. Who's gonna carry the torch? Blink 182? Please.
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on the topic of the white stripes i read this and thought it was rather intresting
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There are still only two of them. But now they sound like an army. The White Stripes made Elephant, their fourth album, in just two weeks last year, at a London studio outfitted with an eight-track tape machine and recording gear that predates the Beatles. But the Detroit duo walked out with a work of pulverizing perfection. Singer-guitarist Jack White and his ex-wife, drummer Meg -- the undisputed king and queen of the new garage movement -- finally romp and rattle like a fully armed band"
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2 weeks, they make a better album than any other band produces in 6 months. The beatles recorded their first album in 1 day.
Talent
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ye heres another thing, im guessing ud agree with this.
(from rolling stone mag, who seem to like them as much as you)
If you happen to be a rock band, and you don't happen to be either of the White Stripes, it so sucks to be you right now.
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ive got my money on Franz Ferdinand To carry the torch :)
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the sad part trauma is that you probably haven't heard 90% of that list....thats probably why you tried to prove me wrong by only talking about 3 bands that I listed. The other 15 or 20 are still creative as shit. Stop being so closed minded and try checking out some of the newer non mtv shit.....and third eye blind is a great band and creative. I don't know any other bands that sound like them and I don't know any bands before them with their sound. Simple as that.
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Trauma your always talking about the lack of creativity in rock now....but you don't realize there are so many great bands:
Keane
Sufjan Stevens
Sondre Lerche
Radiohead
Oasis
The Killers
Ray LaMontagne
Our Lady Peace
Team Sleep
Audioslave
30 Seconds To Mars
Andreas Johnson
Ben Folds
Citizen Cope
Coldplay
Damien Rice
Dave Matthews
Postal Service
Death Cab For Cutie
Iron & Wine
Modest Mouse
Muse
Ozma (though they recently broke up)
Sparta
The Decemberists
Third Eye Blind
Just to name a few.....how can you say artists like these arent creative? oh wait let me do it for you: future quote from trauma "every single artist on that list is just a product of the rock from the 60's....the 60's was when all the originality came out....atleast thats what my mommy told me"
yet all the artists from the 60's were just a product of the stuff from the 40's and 50's....music changes, music grows, and good music still exists....but we get people like you bitching about it all the time and it makes other people say the same shit when they haven't even looked for good music. The fact is bands are just as creative today as they were in the 60's
Out of your entire list, I'll give Our lady peace props. Half ass creative.
You said Oasis, you mean the same Oasis who were around before Kurt died? Who aren't as good NOW, as they were THEN?
You said Audioslave, but you really mean Chris Cornell, who was around with Soundgarden, again before Kurt died, and who isn't as good in Audioslave as he was in Soundgarden? Or do you mean the rest of the band, formerly known as Rage against the Machine, who were of course around in the early 90's as well when I'm saying Rock died.
You mentioned Radiohead, another band who aren't as good now, as they were in the early 90's.
I'll add Weezer to the list, again not as good now as they were in 94.
Who else? Red Hot Chili Peppers? You mean the guys from the 80's?
U2? Early 80's?
Metallica? Early 80's?
Velvet Revolver? GNR from the 80's, and Scotty from STP?
White Stripes would count, they're newer, and brilliant. Bravo for them. That's why I consider them the best band in the world.
trauma i'm on your side here but you bashed some REALLY great bands here and i REALLY don't agree with your statement about rock music died when kurt cobain died. Nirvana didn't get rid of "hair metal" and they definately did not invent or make alternative music popular, they were just the first grunge band to get diamond status. Janes Addiction really doesn't get the proper props for the revolution that was inevitably going to take place, and if bands like Metallica and Guns and roses didn't happen to blow up in the late 80's and early 90's nirvana would never of happened on that great of a scale, they were the final straw taht broke that camels back, and that hair metal camel had ALOT of straw on his back before nirvana , kurt killedhimself in 94 , but there has been ALOT of great rock music that happened after he died, stuff even better than "nevermind". i'm going to defend some of the bands you bashed here.....
audio slaves first album is a breath of fresh air, it's rage (a band who was great AFTER kurt died) but IMO they're better because they have a REAL singer, they're new album is shit but they're a very capable band
oasis- i don't really like them much, not my cup of tea and crumpets....but they were great AFTER Kurt died
Radiohead- again i don't really like them much, but their best album came AFTER kurt cobain died , hell spin magazine called ok computer the best album in the last 25 years
red hot chilli peppers- wow i can't believe you just said "that band from the 80's,lmao, they got big in 92 and have been more and more popular over the years. when californication and by the way came out rock music DEFINATELY changed, Frusciante is easily one of the greatest gutarists of ALL TIME and he only gets better, and flea....shit i don't even have to say anything that man is the SHIT on bass...the peppers have alway been good before, during and especially AFTER kurt cobain
u2- again i can't believe you jsut said u2 was ONLY great in the early 80's .......LMAO they've always and consistantly put out great and classic music. i don't personally like it but i can put my bias aside and say that they'redefinately making great and important music
metallica-dont' even get me started on metallica. first they are and for a while will be the greatest heavy metal band ever. they've ALWAYS been better than nirvana and are more important than nirvana . plain and simple, and metallica has NEVER been only just an early 80's band. their first cd kill em all came out in 82' ....double platnum, their second cd ride the lightning ....4 times platnum ....okay we're out of the early 80's ....and they havn't even peaked 86' master of puppets comes out .....6 times platnum now we're out of the mid 80's now go to 88' and we got ....and justice for all...8 times platnum,then go to 91' they SAME time never mind comes out and goes 10 times platnum....the black album comes out and sells platnum , 15 times over. the 90's go on and they're still one of the most popular bands , if not the most popular band in the world, only until 2003 do they release a musically "bad" album ....that's 20 plus year of excellence , and they're still a force AFTER kurt cobain died, the only rock acts with a better selling catalouge is pink floyd and the beatles
velvet revolver- guns n roses NO, sTp , NO. great...YES
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I don't think it's dead...I mean it's dead to people who prefer different types..but there is still GREAT rock out there not just catchy tunes but real music..
Like The Mars Volta is a good new band to mention..
But I don't neccesarily co-sign w/ trauma saying rock died after cobain...there were so many gems and classics after kurt..but nowadays, I wouldnt say it's dead but its just not what it used to be
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Theres only so much you can do with popular rock music but extreme metal has evolved alot in the past 15 years
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if mars volta wasnt the rock version of canibus, i think they could be amazing.
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they're pretty good
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they are very talented...i don't really like them but they do have talent
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I'm lovin' Mars volta right now, I've been listening De-Loused in the Comatorium for a long while...I haven't heard frances the mute yet, but judging by the amount of talent I heard, I'm sure it's just as good...
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^ musically they are good, but like i said, they are the rock version of canibus... i think they are wasting their talent trying to be original by signing a bunch of bullshit
btw i picked up elephant the other day and i cant stop listening to it, im gonna pick up their new 1 soon.
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btw i picked up elephant the other day and i cant stop listening to it, im gonna pick up their new 1 soon.
Just don't excpect it to be better than Elephant. Get BEhing Me Satan is very different and Jack White explores a lot of different sounds. It's still a great album, just different and not quite as good. White Blood Cells is also good. Shit, all 5 of their albums are good.
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I liked the music when i first heard MV but i dont like the singers voice. Anyone heard At The Drive In, their old band?
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Yes, Rock Music is dead, no doubt, say goodbye, African American's came up with something better, and that's hip-hop, so there is no need for Rock Music anymore.
And do we really miss it anyway? No. Atleast not me and many in my generation. Many Rock artists like Ozzy Osbourne, Pantera and all those devil worshipping bands (which is about 3/4 of rock artists) released nothing but crap, but kids bought it because they wanted to rebel against their parents. They thought these rock artists were bad dudes because they partied and put skulls and fire on their album liner notes.
Well, now we have hip-hop. And for kids that want to rebel they don't have to worship the devil anymore and listen to Meggadeath and Danzig, now they can listen to music that is actually artistic, and at the same time they can identify with rappers who are much more threatening to their parents than Rob Zombie ever was, Rob Zombie maybe got arrested once for public intoxication, but these rappers have murder trials, and not only that, they have homies in prison, and they make music that represents for black men locked up behind bars, many rappers have backgrounds in gangs or are gang-affiliated.... no matter how much hair spray Poison and Steven Tyler put in their hair, they can never be as "bad" as rap artists. And alot of parents are racist, so kids that listened to Tool and all that crap to scare their parents can upset them much more easily by identifying with African American rap artists.
Basically, what I'm saying is that I don't think that their was much art involved in Rock Music, so most of their listeners were just kids going through a phase where they wanted to rebel against their parents. But now gangsta's, pimps, and hustlaz, have replaced hair bands and devil worshippers. And the real hip-hop music fans never bought into that Rock music crap in the first place, and now they listen to hip-hop, whether they be gangsta, conscious, or revolutionary.... because it is the illest and most thoughtful music on the market.
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Fuck off.
and the man behind Megadeth, Dave Mustaine, is christian!
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Fuck off.
and the man behind Megadeth, Dave Mustaine, is christian!
What's your point, most of them are poser's anyway. Look at what Ozzy Osbourne is doing now.
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Change "most" to "a few" and you're right. You can't say rockstars are posers compared to rappers anyway, pot/kettle.
Who cares about Ozzy anyway, hes a confused, drug ridden old man. He hasnt made an impact on rock music since the 80s either. Do you think he was the one who wanted to go on the TV show, he cant do anything without his wife let alone do what is needed to run a TV show.
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Yes, Rock Music is dead, no doubt, say goodbye, African American's came up with something better, and that's hip-hop, so there is no need for Rock Music anymore.
And do we really miss it anyway? No. Atleast not me and many in my generation. Many Rock artists like Ozzy Osbourne, Pantera and all those devil worshipping bands (which is about 3/4 of rock artists) released nothing but crap, but kids bought it because they wanted to rebel against their parents. They thought these rock artists were bad dudes because they partied and put skulls and fire on their album liner notes.
Well, now we have hip-hop. And for kids that want to rebel they don't have to worship the devil anymore and listen to Meggadeath and Danzig, now they can listen to music that is actually artistic, and at the same time they can identify with rappers who are much more threatening to their parents than Rob Zombie ever was, Rob Zombie maybe got arrested once for public intoxication, but these rappers have murder trials, and not only that, they have homies in prison, and they make music that represents for black men locked up behind bars, many rappers have backgrounds in gangs or are gang-affiliated.... no matter how much hair spray Poison and Steven Tyler put in their hair, they can never be as "bad" as rap artists. And alot of parents are racist, so kids that listened to Tool and all that crap to scare their parents can upset them much more easily by identifying with African American rap artists.
Basically, what I'm saying is that I don't think that their was much art involved in Rock Music, so most of their listeners were just kids going through a phase where they wanted to rebel against their parents. But now gangsta's, pimps, and hustlaz, have replaced hair bands and devil worshippers. And the real hip-hop music fans never bought into that Rock music crap in the first place, and now they listen to hip-hop, whether they be gangsta, conscious, or revolutionary.... because it is the illest and most thoughtful music on the market.
Could everyone do the board and themselves a favour and not repond to this? Infinite has proved himself a fool over the past few years, and nothing he says has any merit. He only posts this bullshit to get a rise out of people. Just ignore him and he'll soon go back to posting quotes by Muslims in TOT.
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Wow infinite. Wow.
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Wow infinite. Wow.
i know, he's pretty ridiculous at times
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Wow infinite. Wow.
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if rock bands sounded more like guns n roses and had frontman like axl rose then rock wouldnt be dead, but newayz yeah it is
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if rock bands sounded more like guns n roses and had frontman like axl rose then rock wouldnt be dead, but newayz yeah it is
Eh? GnR arent that special...rock isn't dead
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infinite= IGNORANT FOOL
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Im going to listen to Appetite now.
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at the drive in rocks!
KILLSWITCH ENGAGE!!!!
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Yes, Rock Music is dead, no doubt, say goodbye, African American's came up with something better, and that's hip-hop, so there is no need for Rock Music anymore.
And do we really miss it anyway? No. Atleast not me and many in my generation. Many Rock artists like Ozzy Osbourne, Pantera and all those devil worshipping bands (which is about 3/4 of rock artists) released nothing but crap, but kids bought it because they wanted to rebel against their parents. They thought these rock artists were bad dudes because they partied and put skulls and fire on their album liner notes.
Well, now we have hip-hop. And for kids that want to rebel they don't have to worship the devil anymore and listen to Meggadeath and Danzig, now they can listen to music that is actually artistic, and at the same time they can identify with rappers who are much more threatening to their parents than Rob Zombie ever was, Rob Zombie maybe got arrested once for public intoxication, but these rappers have murder trials, and not only that, they have homies in prison, and they make music that represents for black men locked up behind bars, many rappers have backgrounds in gangs or are gang-affiliated.... no matter how much hair spray Poison and Steven Tyler put in their hair, they can never be as "bad" as rap artists. And alot of parents are racist, so kids that listened to Tool and all that crap to scare their parents can upset them much more easily by identifying with African American rap artists.
Basically, what I'm saying is that I don't think that their was much art involved in Rock Music, so most of their listeners were just kids going through a phase where they wanted to rebel against their parents. But now gangsta's, pimps, and hustlaz, have replaced hair bands and devil worshippers. And the real hip-hop music fans never bought into that Rock music crap in the first place, and now they listen to hip-hop, whether they be gangsta, conscious, or revolutionary.... because it is the illest and most thoughtful music on the market.
I only need to say 5 words: Dimebag Darryl SHITS on you.
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and i'll add to this by saying
black sabbath's (ozzy's band) first 5 cds and pantera's first two cd's combined are musically more important than knuckle's whole 50 top rap cd's of all time
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and i'll add to this by saying
black sabbath's (ozzy's band) first 5 cds and pantera's first two cd's combined are musically more important than knuckle's whole 50 top rap cd's of all time
You mean Pantera's 5th and 6th :P
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Cowboys from hell and Vulgar display of power are their dopest, IMHO.
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and i'll add to this by saying
black sabbath's (ozzy's band) first 5 cds and pantera's first two cd's combined are musically more important than knuckle's whole 50 top rap cd's of all time
You mean Pantera's 5th and 6th :P
yeah true, but good luck ever trying to dig up of get the first TRUE pantera albums,lol. after dimebad died those things' prices have gone up like gasoline prices on ebay. so Vulgar Display and Cowboys might as well be their first two lol
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at the drive in rocks!
KILLSWITCH ENGAGE!!!!
Killswitch are gay now, The first 2 albums are great though.
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^ no they suck and so does at the drive in.
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yeah true, but good luck ever trying to dig up of get the first TRUE pantera albums,lol. after dimebad died those things' prices have gone up like gasoline prices on ebay. so Vulgar Display and Cowboys might as well be their first two lol
yer true, Vulgar... is my favourite album of theirs, I never really liked Far Beyond Driven. Even though it was the first metal LP to debut at no.1.
Their four glam metal cds are around but extremely rare to buy, last time i saw one up on ebay it sold for $170US and that was prior to Dimebag's death. Even to download their pretty hard to get, i've only got Power Metal and I Am the Night.
I dunno if you've heard their glam stuff but i upload 'Hot and Heavy' off their '85 LP 'I Am the Night'
h ttp://s31.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2M7N0V6OAKP2J1PWI0IE6ORT2A
there if ya want it ^^
Oh..also should add Tool to the whole important 90's lists, even if APC are mediocore
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yeah true, but good luck ever trying to dig up of get the first TRUE pantera albums,lol. after dimebad died those things' prices have gone up like gasoline prices on ebay. so Vulgar Display and Cowboys might as well be their first two lol
yer true, Vulgar... is my favourite album of theirs, I never really liked Far Beyond Driven. Even though it was the first metal LP to debut at no.1.
far beyond driven wasn't the first metal lp to debut at number 1 , some skid row cd was, infact metallica's black album debuted at number one as well and that came out before far beyond driven
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and i'll add to this by saying
black sabbath's (ozzy's band) first 5 cds and pantera's first two cd's combined are musically more important than knuckle's whole 50 top rap cd's of all time
ill definetly give you that, especially black sabbath
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Sabbaths first cd alone was more important that the list.