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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Dogg_Pound_Gangsta on August 02, 2005, 10:05:38 PM
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On the same day Shaq signed a new five-year, $100-million contract, the Miami Heat landed the NBA's most-traded player in a true summer blockbuster.
MIAMI (AP) -- In the largest trade in NBA history, Antoine Walker was dealt from Boston to Miami on Tuesday night in a transaction involving five teams and 13 players.
The Heat also acquired point guard Jason Williams and small forward James Posey from Memphis, while the Grizzlies received guard Eddie Jones from the Heat. The New Orleans Hornets and Utah Jazz were also involved in the deal.
The trade was larger than a 12-player, four-team deal in 2000 involving Patrick Ewing that had been the biggest in league history.
Miami also received Andre Emmett from Memphis and the draft rights to Roberto Duenas of Spain from the Hornets; Utah received Greg Ostertag from Memphis; Boston picked up Curtis Borchardt from Utah and a package -- Qyntel Woods, the draft rights to Spanish centre Albert Miralles, two second-round draft picks and cash -- from Miami; New Orleans acquired Rasual Butler from Miami and Kirk Snyder from Utah; and the Grizzlies received guard Raul Lopez from the Jazz.
Hours after signing Shaquille O'Neal to a five-year deal, the Heat added three significant pieces to a roster that nearly reached the NBA final last season.
"We traded a lot, but we got back three quality players," said Heat president Pat Riley. "Antoine Walker is one of the very best multi-faceted, versatile players in this game. ... He is able to handle the ball, pass it, make plays, shoot threes and rebound the ball. There isn't anyone in this league better at doing that."
Walker, a three-time all-star, figures to become the starting small forward and would be backed up by Posey, one of the league's better defenders.
Walker signed a six-year deal worth nearly $53 million US with Boston as part of the deal's preliminary framework, and agent Mark Bartelstein said he appreciated the Celtics' willingness to help out their longtime forward.
"Antoine is thrilled," Bartelstein said. "This was a gruelling process trying to put a sign-and-trade together. This took a lot of time and work and energy from a lot of people."
Williams would take over as Miami's starting point guard if Damon Jones leaves as a free agent.
Eddie Jones is expected to exit Miami after five years with the Heat.
"I spoke to him and he's appreciative of the five great years he's had in Miami," agent Leon Rose said. "He's proud that he's helped build something, although it's unfortunate that he won't be able to see it to fruition. But he wishes the organization nothing but the best."
Riley wished the three players leaving Miami well, especially Eddie Jones, whom he called "the consummate professional through thick and thin."
"I know he had fun and he was a major part of this," Riley said. "But in order to get something good back, you have to give up something good going out."
Memphis acquired Borchardt earlier Tuesday in a deal in which Sacramento got Bonzi Wells from the Grizzlies in exchange for guard Bobby Jackson and Ostertag.
The Hornets did not give up any players under contract in the megatrade, which was approved by league officials late Tuesday night.
"Our cap flexibility is what allowed us to get these two players as part of this deal," Hornets general manager Allan Bristow said. "We were able to acquire two young, quality players while only giving up the rights to a player who has never appeared in a Hornets uniform.".
Walker, who averaged 19.1 points and nine rebounds last season for Atlanta and Boston, will be a welcome addition to the Heat, said forward Udonis Haslem -- who formally signed his $30.7 million, five-year deal Tuesday.
"We're two different players and we can bring two different things to the table," Haslem said, a few hours before the trade got done. "If we put that together, we should have a pretty good tandem."
Miami reached Game 7 of the Eastern Conference final this past season -- even though O'Neal and Dwyane Wade were both hurt at the time. And not only was Jones a starter on that team, he was the Heat's best perimeter defender -- a role that Riley and coach Stan Van Gundy have long valued.
Eddie Jones, a career 16.4-point-per-game scorer, averaged 12.7 in the regular season and 13.7 in the playoffs as Miami's third option.
"Eddie Jones is an all-star calibre player who has had a terrific NBA career. He is a great three-point shooter who will make an immediate impact on our offence, while also serving as a solid defender in the backcourt. We look forward to Eddie finishing his NBA career in Memphis," Grizzlies president Jerry West said.
Williams averaged 10.1 points and 5.6 assists for the Grizzlies last season. Riley likened his playmaking ability to Victoria's Steve Nash and Jason Kidd.
"He is a very athletic, quick, explosive scorer and has great experience," Riley said. "One of the reasons why we are making the trade is that we haven't had anyone here like that since Tim Hardaway left."
Posey was limited to 50 games this past season because of injuries, and only 18 starts. He averaged 8.1 points and 4.4 rebounds.
The trade capped a flurry of activity by the Heat -- who moved quickly once the league's moratorium on player signings expired Tuesday at noon EDT.
O'Neal was signed to a $100 million contract; the move was expected, although the contract was considerably smaller than what O'Neal figured to command.
Haslem said the team has full confidence in whatever personnel choices Riley and general manager Randy Pfund make.
"Since I've been here, they've made great decisions," Haslem said. "And I'm sure they'll make the right decision here."
Personally I think that the Heat will dominate next season. There are so many shaq haters on this board I can feel the heat coming ::)
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whoa crazy trade but for real ive love j will since rookie year and hes matured as a bball player but im wonderin if he'll start cause im not sure if riley thinks he's ready for a spot like that on a big team like the heat
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i think that j will might start if damon jones leaves.
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tiiight
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Indiana will be better than miami next year
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lemme get this straight
C-Shaq
PF-Haslum
SF-Walker
SG-Wade
PG-Williams/d jones
:o
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pg j tinsley
sg s jackson
sf r artest
pf j oneal
c j foster
:o
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pg j tinsley
sg s jackson
sf r artest
pf j oneal
c j foster
:o
yaa but how many of these guys are gonna get suspended mid year
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pg j tinsley
sg s jackson
sf r artest
pf j oneal
c j foster
:o
eh.
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jermaine oneal = 26 yrs old, 2005 stats 25ppg,9rpb, 2bpg
4 straight all star games. 20 points and 10 rebounds a game for the last 4 straight seasons. nothing he cant do very well besides shoot threes but hes not supposed to so who cares.
ron artest = 25 years old, best perimeter defender in the league. was averaging 25 ppg bfore the suspension last year. All around skills comparable to only kg and tim duncan. at his ridicolous age his body got 12 months off to stay healed and fresh.
take 2 of the best 10 players in the league along with jamal tinsley and stephon jackson plus the ridoclous heart and depth in the bench. watch out come 06.
remember how many wins we won 2 years ago 61. and we all know what happened last year and what could have been
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that's all you ever hear out of Indy , watch out next year, i been hearin that ever since they had miller time and smits
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pg j tinsley
sg s jackson
sf r artest
pf j oneal
c j foster
:o
eh.
u can substitute Tinsley by Jasikevicius after a few games
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^^^hopefully he is as good as advertised. same for granger
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First of all, since i'm a Laker fan and i hate Shaq with passion, i gotta give him props because he renounced to 25m $ to make this trade happens. I didnt expect this move from him, so props to him. So basically the Heat traded Eddie Jones for J Will, Walker and Posey? Well, what can i say? Brilliant. But i'm not so sure this trade will make the Heat better. I mean, obviously if you compare E.J. with the 3 other players, the package is better than E.J. himself. But J Williams is a player who loves carrying the ball, exactly like Wade. And Walker is another player who wants the ball in his hands and who prefeers to make stupid shoots rather than passing the ball inside. Not to mention Shaq, who left Los Angeles because he didnt make enought shots. So there are 4 players who wants the ball, plus Haslem. And Walker will be the 4th offensive option. Mmmm.. This betta works, or Miami is fucked up. Good luck.
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Jermaine O'Neal and Ron Artest are top players, but overall Miami's roster is tighter I think. Eddie Jones is overrated, Walker is underrated.
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Damn they got a tite ass lineup now.
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did someone here say toine is underated?? ::)
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did someone here say toine is underated?? ::)
>:(
His percentage doesnt impress anyone, but he is a pretty versatile player, like Riley also pointed out. He can shoot, pass, rebound.. very good shooter for his size. His style is pretty white, no doubt, but ignoring the fact that he has a low percentage overall, his numbers are pretty good. I'd take him over EJ on any day. EJ is old. Walker is still in his prime.
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GREAT DEAL for miami.
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all those guys are bums..people are aacting like a bunch of all-stars got traded
J.Posey-bum,i think peoploe are confusing him with stamire swift...jerry west is not going to get rid of a 4 year players for e jones..posey=bum
j will-bum..the kings went from been smoke by the Lakers in the 2001 playoffs b/c of j will shot selection to almost smoking the lakers in 2002 by getting rid of j will & adding biby
the grizz didn't do shit the last 4 years with j will wich is why he's gone
j will can't defend,he's soft,is not a real PG he's more of a scorer,he likes to shoot early in the shoy clock..he's a bum
a walker-potential...but he's a chemestry killer,he whines when he don't get the ball,he needs the ball,he's one of those players when he gets the ball that shit aint coming back...& now he he's going to just stand around while shaq d wade scorer?..he's going to get inpatient & cry like gary payton did with the Lakers
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It looks like Eastern teams gettin better n better : Miami, Indiana, NJ, Cleveland all have made some good moves 8)
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Damn they got a tite ass lineup now.
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all those guys are bums..people are aacting like a bunch of all-stars got trade
Says a guy who's been excited as fuck that Lakers might get Derek Fisher and Kwame Brown.. lol.
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all those guys are bums..people are aacting like a bunch of all-stars got trade
Says a guy who's been excited as fuck that Lakers might get Derek Fisher and Kwame Brown.. lol.
lmao
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its a good trade for the Heat, but if a selfish player like A.Walker is on your team, you're not winning a championship, its the way it works
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all those guys are bums..people are aacting like a bunch of all-stars got trade
Says a guy who's been excited as fuck that Lakers might get Derek Fisher and Kwame Brown.. lol.
lmao
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hey you piece of shit when did i act like i was exsited about them coming back?
i just reported what i saw on TV & that gettin fisher is better then sucky atkins you piece of shit!
& gettin k brown allows us to move lamar to SF that's all i said..i thought it was the right move.
& all those guys miami got are bums, you fuckin no nothing about b-ball piece of shit!
they down graded @ PG by not re-signing d jones & geting j will
& posey aint shit ,e jones is way better defender & prove he could still make shots last season..so go pray that your sorry ass team could as great as the Lakers you loser!
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Alright, I could make a long ass post ripping your whole ideology of life apart, but instead I'm just going to tell you what's up:
so go pray that your sorry ass team could as great as the Lakers you loser!
I have to guess what that is supposed to mean, but I think you intend to imply that Miami and/or my favorite team is/are going to have a worse next season than the Lakers?
LOL...
Seriously, for the love of God, Miami and Dallas will kill the Lakers' record in 2005/06, just like they did in 2004/05.
What makes you think Lakers will improve so much anyway?
Butler and Atkins for Brown and Profit -> Bad move.
Signing a 18-year-old-rookie -> Bad move.
Signing no free agent -> Bad move.
What is left to trade around now?
Odom, Bryant.
Will they trade Odom or Bryant?
No.
So is the new roster better than the roster from last year, in which they failed miserably?
No.
Lmao. All we are going to see this year is if Phil Jackson is really the great coach everyone thinks he is, or if he's just a lucky person who had the luxery to coach Jordan and Shaq in their primes.
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hey you piece of shit when did i act like i was exsited about them coming back?
i just reported what i saw on TV & that gettin fisher is better then sucky atkins you piece of shit!
& gettin k brown allows us to move lamar to SF that's all i said..i thought it was the right move.
& all those guys miami got are bums, you fuckin no nothing about b-ball piece of shit!
they down graded @ PG by not re-signing d jones & geting j will
& posey aint shit ,e jones is way better defender & prove he could still make shots last season..so go pray that your sorry ass team could as great as the Lakers you loser!
C'mon dawg I'm a Lakers fan too but be realistic the Heat will be ten times better than the Lakers next season. Plus Posey is a very good defender so stop talking shit.
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I have faith in the Lakers...
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hey you piece of shit when did i act like i was exsited about them coming back?
i just reported what i saw on TV & that gettin fisher is better then sucky atkins you piece of shit!
& gettin k brown allows us to move lamar to SF that's all i said..i thought it was the right move.
& all those guys miami got are bums, you fuckin no nothing about b-ball piece of shit!
they down graded @ PG by not re-signing d jones & geting j will
& posey aint shit ,e jones is way better defender & prove he could still make shots last season..so go pray that your sorry ass team could as great as the Lakers you loser!
C'mon dawg I'm a Lakers fan too but be realistic the Heat will be ten times better than the Lakers next season. Plus Posey is a very good defender so stop talking shit.
Posey is a very good player, i like him. For sure Miami is looking better than L.A., no doubts about it.
Our plan is to make a good team in 2007, we will not be contenders till that time.
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hey you piece of shit when did i act like i was exsited about them coming back?
i just reported what i saw on TV & that gettin fisher is better then sucky atkins you piece of shit!
& gettin k brown allows us to move lamar to SF that's all i said..i thought it was the right move.
& all those guys miami got are bums, you fuckin no nothing about b-ball piece of shit!
they down graded @ PG by not re-signing d jones & geting j will
& posey aint shit ,e jones is way better defender & prove he could still make shots last season..so go pray that your sorry ass team could as great as the Lakers you loser!
C'mon dawg I'm a Lakers fan too but be realistic the Heat will be ten times better than the Lakers next season. Plus Posey is a very good defender so stop talking shit.
Posey is a very good player, i like him. For sure Miami is looking better than L.A., no doubts about it.
Our plan is to make a good team in 2007, we will not be contenders till that time.
Yep for next season the realistic aim is to be back in the playoffs (think 7th or 8 th spot we will see). Gotta wait a couple of years n hopefully we'll be able to sign a major player (A.Stoudemire would be great)
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OT: 570am said the Lakers haven't announced it yet, but Kareem Abdul-Jabbar himself did in fact get hired as an assistant coach to coach Brown and Bynum. Great news if it's confirmed.
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^that'd be dope, hopefully it works out better than ewing trying to make yoa ming better
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^that'd be dope, hopefully it works out better than ewing trying to make yoa ming better
Abdul-Jabar >>>>> Ewing
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^that'd be dope, hopefully it works out better than ewing trying to make yoa ming better
Abdul-Jabar >>>>> Ewing
As players it's not even funny to compare them both, we know who's the best. But as assistant coaches both failed in the past: Ewing failed with Yao, and Jabbar failed with Olowokandi, when he was still a Clipper. Anyway Bynum's fav shot is the sky-hook, so i think none in the world is better than mr. sky-hook himself to coach him. I really hope Bynum will be confortable with Jabbar coaching him. We will see. About Brown, he's the biggest ? in the whole NBA. People are keep telling me he's tha shit, but i still gotta see him playing like a superstar. I've heard his biggest problems are mental ones: he doesnt like to pratice and to improve. So i dunno how having Jabbar coaching him will help his career. If he'll be in a good mood, then he can learn a pair of things for sure. It's up to him.