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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: M Dogg™ on August 17, 2005, 05:36:50 PM
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OK, I was going to complete the list, but I will put up 16-11 today, 10-6 tomorrow, and the count down will happen after all. I have time, so I ain't tripping.
16. Snoop Dogg
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Strongest album: Doggystyle
With a flow that hypnotisted a generation, and a voice that eased into peoples minds, the violent stories from the streets of Long Beach were easy to listen to once Snoop Dogg was the emcee. The greatest find in Dr. Dre's history, Snoop Dogg is a bonified superstar. In person, his stage presents is second to none, and his connection with the fans, both in the suburbs and in the streets, is something many stars only dream of. For the last 6 years, Snoop has been the dominated star in the westcoast, and he has held his place down by coming out with great albums, Top Dogg and Last Meal, battling to keep his spot, Pimp Slap, and of course those commerical hits, Beautiful and Drop It Like It's Hot. Before that though, Snoop was a true Hip-Hop star, rhyming from the streets, and still making classic records that sold mainstream. Doggystyle is his peak, but his work on the Chonic is legendary. Lil' Ghetto Boy was a song that showed Snoop's realness, and his verse on Dre Day to Tim Dog showed Snoop as a creditable battler. After all these years, Snoop has truly paid the cost, and now he is the westcoast boss.
15. D.O.C.
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Strongest album: No One Can Do It Better
How true the title of his debut album was. There were very few rappers that could rhyme like the D.O.C. The ghostwriter of Dr. Dre's for the classic album the Chronic, The D.O.C. was the person wo coached Snoop Dogg on how to write. In his own work, The D.O.C. only left us with one classic. The work of the Doc and the Doctor left you wondering what could have been. But had Biggie died without Life After Death, people would still argue him the GOAT, so I will put the D.O.C. as one of the great emcee's ever. There is no question, his skills can match up with anyone, and his rhymes next to a Dre beat are better than Guru over Premier or CL Smooth over Pete Rock. The D.O.C. released albums after his accident, but in reality, it's No One Can Do It Better that truly judges him, as it's his true flow, it's him at his most lyrical, and it's a classic album. His work with N.W.A. backs his claim like Biggie's work with Bad Boy Records does him. And in the end, it's his ghostwriting of the Chronic and his coaching of Snoop Dogg that shows that The D.O.C. is truly one of the great lyrist of all time.
14. LL Cool J
(http://www.coasttocoasttickets.com/images/concerts_llcoolj.jpg)
Strongest album: Radio
OK, so he may not be the GOAT like he claimed. Though I was hoping he'd prove it in his G.O.A.T. CD. LL Cool J is the name that truly defines rap at it's most commerical form, but it's done so that it's still Hip-Hop. The great love songs leave the women wanting more, the hard battle lyrics leave guys trying to be him, and after 20 years his still doing it. LL is putting out records longer than anyone else, his still making women's panties wet and he flexes once in a while on a track to show his still one of the great battle rappers of all time. LL is a proven thing, one of his records will be top 10, one of his records will be played on the streets, and in the end you can't stop him from selling. His CD, Radio was just the beginning, as his battle with Kool Moe Dee showed that he can handle the best rapper from the old school era. Young and Cocky, LL Cool J cameback and knock out Moe Dee, MC Hammer and Ice T on one track. The battles are legendary, and the hits are still played today, and no one will ever forget LL Cool J.
13. GrandMaster Caz
(http://www.dmcworld.com/technics/halloffame/images/grandmastercaz.jpg)
Strongest album: Actually movie, Wild Stlye (Caz is too versital to just stick to albums.
Caz took DJing skillz to a whole 'nother level by incorporated rhyme skills. Caz is the first DJ to rhyme and cut simultaneously. In 1979, Caz became leader of one of the most influential rap groups, The Cold Crush Brothers. Sugar Hill Gang would go on to steal Caz's lyrics after Big Bank Hank gained a contracted rapping Caz's lyrics. The verse would then be on the song Rapper's Delight. This is why Jay-Z mentioned the Cold Crush in his own hit H to the Izzo. Caz also was in the Hip-Hop classic movie Wild Style, playing himself as the leader of the Cold Crush. Caz has been listed in the top 15 of many greatest MCs of all times list, and this one is no different. Caz style is actually heard by other rap greats like KRS-One and old school Big Daddy Kane.
12. Slick Rick
(http://www.clubdeep.com/slick%20rick.JPG)
Strongest album: The Great Adventures of Slick Rick
Hip-Hop's great storyteller, Slick Rick can tell a story about anything. A lyrist at heart, he was able to use his rhymes to tell tales ranging from love, to children stories to a casual day. Slick Rick is key to anyone's knowledge of Hip-Hop, and Slick Rick is one of the best to ever grace the mic. Setting the way for people like Snoop Dogg and Outkast, Rick the Ruler set a style of his own, and was able to be one of the rear foreign born rappers to be a huge seller in the United States. His classic records still get air play in many real Hip-Hop stations, and many Hip-Hop historians agree that Ricky Ricky Ricky is on the greatest MC's of all time. Myself, I agree too, as Slick Rick was in my tape deck, and now is in my iPod. Slick Rick's stories are timeless, and the tales from the streets his created are Hip-Hop classics. Whoever questions this pick is not a true fan of Hip-Hop.
11. Kool G Rap
(http://www.hiphop-elements.com/img/5000/501.jpg)
Strongest album: Road to Riches
In the Golden Age, their was only one question on everyone's mind in New York, who's the illest rhymesayer, Big Daddy Kane, Rakim or Kool G Rap. DJ Polo and Kool G Rap made hardcore Hip-Hop with Road to Riches. Kool G Rap is the godfather as rap groups like Mobb Deep and the Lox, and solo artist like Nore and Big Pun have followed in Kool G's foot steps. With his lyrical skillz proving him as one of the greatest, and his boosting style is pure Hip-Hop. But it's the hardcore violent tales that G Rap tells that makes him the legend he is today. G Rap connected with many of New Yorks intercities by telling his tales, his stories on wax. By putting out lyrics that inspired the next generation, G Rap came into his own by putting out, pure, hardcore Hip-Hop. His skills was compared to Rakim and Daddy Kane, and he started his own cult in Hip-Hop followed by CNN, Big Pun and Fat Joe, the Lox and Mobb Deep. What more can you ask from a legend.
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On my list:
Snoop wouldn't make my top 50, I think The D.O.C. would be in the 40s somewhere, Caz and LL are top 20 the other two are top 10.
My guess for the top ten in no particular order:
Nas, Jay, Ra, KRS, Kane, 'Face, Big, Pac, Cube and Chuck D
I'm 99% sure on that.
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snoop an doc dont deserve to be on there. I can see LL on there tho, cuz u can make the argument he is the greatest battle rapper of all time
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another nigga makin a bullshit ass list. fuckin bullshit ass piece of shits and their wack ass lists.
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^^^ Alright, I think this guy's time is up. Someone ban this clown.
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another nigga makin a bullshit ass list. fuckin bullshit ass piece of shits and their wack ass lists.
lol
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^^^ Alright, I think this guy's time is up. Someone ban this clown.
u dat same nigga who made that wack ass 50 top albums list puttin aquemini above aeom. when did yall european muhfuckas get on this rap shit anyways dont yall listen 2 david hasseloff n shit.
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^ Ur gay. nice read.
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^^^ Alright, I think this guy's time is up. Someone ban this clown.
u dat same nigga who made that wack ass 50 top albums list puttin aquemini above aeom. when did yall european muhfuckas get on this rap shit anyways dont yall listen 2 david hasseloff n shit.
mi scusi, since when is Knuckles European? And yes, all Europeans listen to David Hasselhof cause we are intellectually inferior and don´t have a taste
and Knuckles, I don´t think clowns like him need to be banned. Just let him live, heain´t doing nobody no harm after all 8)
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snoop an doc dont deserve to be on there. I can see LL on there tho, cuz u can make the argument he is the greatest battle rapper of all time
LL greatest battle rapper of all time ? nah his ghostwriter maybe
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His ghost writer doesnt rap lol
I dont agree with most of this anyway.
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His ghost writer doesnt rap lol
I dont agree with most of this anyway.
no but he writes his lyrics which is the most important in a battle. You can have the illest delivery n flow but if you don't say shit who cares ?
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funny how some people list Biggie in the top 10, but the DOC isn't top 20 to them. Biggie had TWO CDs, DOC had 2, and like Biggie their debuts were classics. Biggies second CD is overrated, as Life After Death is not a pure classic, it's a 4 mic, and DOC's Helther Skelter is hard to rank because it's not a 100% DOC. Oh well, when you start writing down artist, and you start ranking and putting a formula, you will see that some artist are ranked higher than you though, and some lower. I though Talib would be on here, then I put in impact, and started rating things like innovation, and how many rappers bite their style, and in the end some artist that I thought would be ranked higher, are not on and some I didn't think are now on. Snoop's flow was so unique and so many westcoast rappers bit his style that you have to rank him high on innovation and how many people bit. Your top 10 does look like mine though, except you'll see someone else on there. But put a formula together, and start to look at classics, great albums, good albums, the average for each release. The DOC had his own classic, plus was involved in Straight Outta Compton and ghostwrote for Eazy E on his debut CD, plus wrote most of Dr. Dre's rhymes for the Chronic. I think his involvement with classic CDs ranks him higher. Caz never released a solo CD in his prime, and even the Cold Crush where known for singles. But what was released was pure classic. His average, his impact, and how many people bit him are high, so he has to be high. We disagree with our 11-25, but looking at your top 10, they are very simular. So the top 10 are easy, it's the rest that are hard. When I asked myself why I put a rapper in the top 10, I had to do the same for the rest, and you can't say Snoop, DOC, LL, Caz and Slick Rick didn't do what we say makes the top 10 so great. Immortal Technique I think is the illiest MC since 'Pac got shot, I think his one of the best MCs I've heard in years, one of my top 10 personal list, BUT, he doesn't match what I set as my standard. Skillz is huge, it's one of the most important thing, but skills alone don't make an MC. Skillz are great, but if you can't use them, then what good are you. Ghostface has mad skillz, most of the Wu Tang Clan does. But how good are you as an MC if you can't have the impact, even with the skillz. As a group, Wu dominated, they had skillz and RZA's production was classic. But apart, each rapper was almost lost. Skillz are important, but the whole artist is even more important, because an MC is a Microphone Controller, and an MC controls the crowd. Study Hip-Hop, study it like it's your life, and realize that there is more to being an MC than skillz. Because if you can't put your skillz to use, if you can't have people relate, then you're skillz are wasted.
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you don't know shit if you don't put Snoop Dogg in your TOP 50!, that's just ignorance, I'm 99% sure of that
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you don't know shit if you don't put Snoop Dogg in your TOP 50!, that's just ignorance, I'm 99% sure of that
I'm 100% sure your statement is wrong.
He would make it in the top 50 in 1996 or even 1999 but not 2005. He's released too much bullshit. I can name 50 MCs more deserving than him.
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this knuckles nigga been drinkin too much of that haterade