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Title: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: Spicemuthafuc*in1 on August 18, 2005, 09:27:33 PM
Im doing this list based on all around talent and basically if i was a gm who i would want leading my team.

1. Tim Duncan
2. Kevin Garnett
3. Kobe Bryant
4. Shaquille Oneal
5. Allen Iverson
6. Tracy Mcgrady
7. Jermaine Oneal
8. Dirk Nowitiki
9. Amare Stoudemire
10. Steve Nash

Honarable Mention (Paul Pierce, Lebron James, Dwane Wade, Ben Wallace, Ron Artest)
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: KiLlA_kAlI_kId on August 18, 2005, 09:32:48 PM
Where's Manu Ginobli? And Kobe aint that good anymore. And where's Dwayne Wade?
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: Spicemuthafuc*in1 on August 18, 2005, 09:40:58 PM
Kobe is still one of the best, i said wade is on the fringe of being on the top 10.
however in 2 years he could be as high as #1 on the list so chill. 
and the only player that i listed that isnt as good as manu is ben wallace and thats it
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: KiLlA_kAlI_kId on August 18, 2005, 09:43:25 PM
Kobe is still good but not as good as he was when he was playing wit shaq, all im sayin is he should be at #5 or 6.
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: Spicemuthafuc*in1 on August 18, 2005, 09:46:33 PM
^^ok i agree completely about that.  its tough because i know shaq is more dominant and valuable but kobe is more talented.  but i wont argue having him 5 or 6
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: ωεεźγ ғ on August 18, 2005, 10:38:08 PM
1. Kevin Garnett
2. Shaquille O'neal
3. Tim Duncan
4. Amare Stoudemaire
5. Lebron James
6. Kobe Bryant
7. Tracy McGrady
8. Jermaine O'neal
9. Allen Iverson
10. Manu Ginobli
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: KiLlA_kAlI_kId on August 18, 2005, 10:43:01 PM
Why is Iverson ranked so low?
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: ωεεźγ ғ on August 18, 2005, 10:50:29 PM
^^ coz i would rather have those guys on my team instead of iverson
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: Addicted To Cake on August 19, 2005, 12:31:02 AM
And Kobe aint that good anymore.

idiot.

Kobe > Your Life.

i can't wait for kobe to come back next yr stronger and proving these stupid haters wrong.

btw, wade & manu aren't top 10.
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: KiLlA_kAlI_kId on August 19, 2005, 12:32:40 AM
hey u moron i didnt say he wasnt good any more im saying he's lost his touch a bit.
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: Addicted To Cake on August 19, 2005, 12:34:50 AM
hey u moron i didnt say he wasnt good any more im saying he's lost his touch a bit.

how did he lose his touch?
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: wcsoldier on August 19, 2005, 12:35:51 AM
Im doing this list based on all around talent and basically if i was a gm who i would want leading my team.

1. Tim Duncan
2. Kevin Garnett
3. Kobe Bryant
4. Shaquille Oneal
5. Allen Iverson
6. Tracy Mcgrady
7. Jermaine Oneal
8. Dirk Nowitiki
9. Amare Stoudemire
10. Steve Nash

Honarable Mention (Paul Pierce, Lebron James, Dwane Wade, Ben Wallace, Ron Artest)
I would pick the same list though not in that order n James over J. Oneal
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: KiLlA_kAlI_kId on August 19, 2005, 12:37:40 AM
Becuz Shaq aint ther no more ;D
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: wcsoldier on August 19, 2005, 12:39:11 AM
Where's Manu Ginobli? And Kobe aint that good anymore. And where's Dwayne Wade?
 Kobe is top 10 without a doubt. M. Ginobili ? Why not Robert Taylor  ;D. Nah seriously Gino top 20 but in the first 10 ? No
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: Addicted To Cake on August 19, 2005, 12:39:54 AM
Becuz Shaq aint ther no more ;D

you truely are an idiot. then again you're 15.
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: KiLlA_kAlI_kId on August 19, 2005, 12:40:46 AM
u cant mess wit ginobli u'll see this year as a matter of fact every1 will see.
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: wcsoldier on August 19, 2005, 12:44:25 AM
u cant mess wit ginobli u'll see this year as a matter of fact every1 will see.

don't get me wrong I like Gino he has crazy skills n can do lots of things on the court : steals, assists , rebounds but his outside shoot isn't that good (though he had very good % this year)
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: Addicted To Cake on August 19, 2005, 12:46:05 AM
u cant mess wit ginobli u'll see this year as a matter of fact every1 will see.


the only thing Gonzoe has on kobe is the size of his nose.
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: wcsoldier on August 19, 2005, 12:47:21 AM
Becuz Shaq aint ther no more ;D
It makes me laugh when suppose NBA heads are convinced Shaq won 3 titles alone . I advice you to watch Lakers 2000-2002 playoffs games , especially the 4th quarters one more time  ::)
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: KiLlA_kAlI_kId on August 19, 2005, 12:49:48 AM
if Kobe is so god damn good tell me this...what's the problem now, why isnt Kobe tha shit? please tell me.
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: Addicted To Cake on August 19, 2005, 12:52:48 AM
Becuz Shaq aint ther no more ;D
It makes me laugh when suppose NBA heads are convinced Shaq won 3 titles alone . I advice you to watch Lakers 2000-2002 playoffs games , especially the 4th quarters one more time  ::)

he was 10 when kobe won in 2000. hes too little too remember.
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: Addicted To Cake on August 19, 2005, 12:54:23 AM
if Kobe is so god damn good tell me this...what's the problem now, why isnt Kobe tha shit? please tell me.

what do u mean by "tha shit?" dumbass.

"kobe is the best in the game" - amare stoudemire
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: KiLlA_kAlI_kId on August 19, 2005, 12:55:10 AM
i still watched basketball when i was 10 i started watching since i was five.
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: KiLlA_kAlI_kId on August 19, 2005, 12:57:25 AM
Amare thinks that but he dont know. and u may say "he's faced him so he would know" or some shit like that but Kobe is not the best in the game.
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: Addicted To Cake on August 19, 2005, 01:00:55 AM
Amare thinks that but he dont know. and u may say "he's faced him so he would know" or some shit like that but Kobe is not the best in the game.

thats fine but at least back up your opinion to why hes not the best in the game u retard. if u cant think of one then logg off and kill yourself.
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: KiLlA_kAlI_kId on August 19, 2005, 01:01:36 AM
look at last years stats.
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: wcsoldier on August 19, 2005, 01:04:02 AM
Amare thinks that but he dont know. and u may say "he's faced him so he would know" or some shit like that but Kobe is not the best in the game.

thats fine but at least back up your opinion to why hes not the best in the game u retard. if u cant think of one then logg off and kill yourself.
people usually hate Kobe coz he's arrogant they don't even complain about his game that much (outside he never passed that ball)
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: Addicted To Cake on August 19, 2005, 01:09:13 AM
look at last years stats.


so stats tell whos better? in this case u lost again. i'm done replying to some retarded ass 15 yr old whos obvioulsy too stupid to talk about sports.

(http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/8636/kobeshitsonmanu7vq.jpg)
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: Addicted To Cake on August 19, 2005, 01:09:36 AM
Amare thinks that but he dont know. and u may say "he's faced him so he would know" or some shit like that but Kobe is not the best in the game.

thats fine but at least back up your opinion to why hes not the best in the game u retard. if u cant think of one then logg off and kill yourself.
people usually hate Kobe coz he's arrogant they don't even complain about his game that much (outside he never passed that ball)

what makes him arrogant?
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: wcsoldier on August 19, 2005, 01:17:24 AM
Amare thinks that but he dont know. and u may say "he's faced him so he would know" or some shit like that but Kobe is not the best in the game.

thats fine but at least back up your opinion to why hes not the best in the game u retard. if u cant think of one then logg off and kill yourself.
people usually hate Kobe coz he's arrogant they don't even complain about his game that much (outside he never passed that ball)

what makes him arrogant?
I'm a Lakers fan so I don't pay much attention to this but you know people said he hasn't lots of friends on the team, all these pbs with Jackson... n his attitude. Personally I think he's just a very confident player n this behaviour helps him be a winner ( for example his classics 4th quarters). Plus people hates on him coz he always suceeds in and younger than others people
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: wcsoldier on August 19, 2005, 01:19:47 AM
look at last years stats.


so stats tell whos better? in this case u lost again. i'm done replying to some retarded ass 15 yr old whos obvioulsy too stupid to talk about sports.

(http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/8636/kobeshitsonmanu7vq.jpg)
Look for Killa answer : "if Gino played 40 min he 'd score as much as Kobe"  ;D
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: BizzyR.I.P. on August 19, 2005, 02:44:05 AM
look at last years stats.


so stats tell whos better? in this case u lost again. i'm done replying to some retarded ass 15 yr old whos obvioulsy too stupid to talk about sports.

(http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/8636/kobeshitsonmanu7vq.jpg)
Look for Killa answer : "if Gino played 40 min he 'd score as much as Kobe"  ;D

But he's 2 weak 2 play 40 minutes so he won't.
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: PLANT on August 19, 2005, 04:55:09 AM
Im doing this list based on all around talent and basically if i was a gm who i would want leading my team.

1. Tim Duncan
2. Kevin Garnett
3. Kobe Bryant
4. Shaquille Oneal
5. Allen Iverson
6. Tracy Mcgrady
7. Jermaine Oneal
8. Dirk Nowitiki
9. Amare Stoudemire
10. Steve Nash

Honarable Mention (Paul Pierce, Lebron James, Dwane Wade, Ben Wallace, Ron Artest)
I would pick the same list though not in that order n James over J. Oneal
same
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: 7even on August 19, 2005, 06:33:52 AM
Garnett
Duncan
James
Nowitzki
Stoudemire
Bryant
S. O'Neal
McGrady
Iverson
Nash


Also good: Jermaine, Artest, Wade

Note that it's a GM's perspective, not based on talent but the value of the players. Forwards are more valuable than Guards, that's a fact.
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: Stone Cold is Bout It, Bout It on August 19, 2005, 08:05:25 AM
Kobe shot 43% from the field Last season b/c of ruty T's stupid ass "Isolation/stand around & shoot 3's system"..kobe will bounce back next season with the help of phil jax & the triangle offence..if you remember last season when kobe came back from his injury & the triangle was already been run b/c we got rid of rudy t..kobe went on a 12 game strech where he avg 32 ppg,52% from the field,14 FT's per game...next season kobe will have his best season ever,watch...& kobe stil avg his 6 RPG & career high 6 assist per game,,top 3 in getting to the free throw line..so stop acting like he's done

back to topic..

Kobe
T.Duncan
K.Garnett
Amare Stoudmire
Jason Kidd
J.o'neal
steve nash
ben wallece
l.james
t.mac
iverson
Dirk Nowitiki
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: acbaylove on August 19, 2005, 08:21:25 AM
Becuz Shaq aint ther no more ;D

Shaq was there two years ago, and he was the main reason why Lakers didnt win the title. Because Brown chosed not to double him and he wasnt even able to put decent numbers against Ben Wallace. No. Shaq wasnt that dominant "alone". He's dominant, but he too needs a great supporting cast to win a title. Like Kobe. None in the League can win "alone". The 3peat team had players like Bryant, Horry, Fisher, Fox, Shaw, Harper, Grant, George, who all contribuited to make them Lakers the best team in the world. It was their defence, their 3pts (Horry, Fisher and Shaw, where you at?). Last year only Bryant was still there. And George, who didnt play. Not enought to compare the two dynasties. Not to mention Phil Jackson. But lol, y'all still continue to make those dumb statements.

Matter of fact Lakers lost when they cutted/traded/didnt re-sign players like Horry, Fox and Shaw, who were highly underrated. Shaq with Malone and Payton didnt win the ring. FACT.
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: Macaframa on August 19, 2005, 10:53:58 AM
I would put kevin garnett first
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: eS El Duque on August 19, 2005, 01:07:21 PM
1. Kevin Garnett
2. Tim Duncun
3. Lebron James
4. Kobe Bryant
5. Alan Iverson
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: TeeRaySix9Teen on August 19, 2005, 02:02:06 PM
Im doing this list based on all around talent and basically if i was a gm who i would want leading my team.

1. Tim Duncan
2. Kevin Garnett
3. Kobe Bryant
4. Shaquille Oneal
5. Allen Iverson
6. Tracy Mcgrady
7. Jermaine Oneal
8. Dirk Nowitiki
9. Amare Stoudemire
10. Steve Nash

Honarable Mention (Paul Pierce, Lebron James, Dwane Wade, Ben Wallace, Ron Artest)

are u talking about for just ONE year? Or for their future? Cus Shaq definetely wouldnt be in that top 10 if this were about a teams FUTURE. He's only got a couple good years left.

Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: TeeRaySix9Teen on August 19, 2005, 02:05:40 PM
Amare thinks that but he dont know. and u may say "he's faced him so he would know" or some shit like that but Kobe is not the best in the game.

thats fine but at least back up your opinion to why hes not the best in the game u retard. if u cant think of one then logg off and kill yourself.
people usually hate Kobe coz he's arrogant they don't even complain about his game that much (outside he never passed that ball)

what makes him arrogant?


u must be part of the fan club...u gotta lil Kobe Jersey and some pom poms too?
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: wcsoldier on August 19, 2005, 02:09:40 PM
Becuz Shaq aint ther no more ;D

Shaq was there two years ago, and he was the main reason why Lakers didnt win the title. Because Brown chosed not to double him and he wasnt even able to put decent numbers against Ben Wallace. No. Shaq wasnt that dominant "alone". He's dominant, but he too needs a great supporting cast to win a title. Like Kobe. None in the League can win "alone". The 3peat team had players like Bryant, Horry, Fisher, Fox, Shaw, Harper, Grant, George, who all contribuited to make them Lakers the best team in the world. It was their defence, their 3pts (Horry, Fisher and Shaw, where you at?). Last year only Bryant was still there. And George, who didnt play. Not enought to compare the two dynasties. Not to mention Phil Jackson. But lol, y'all still continue to make those dumb statements.

Matter of fact Lakers lost when they cutted/traded/didnt re-sign players like Horry, Fox and Shaw, who were highly underrated. Shaq with Malone and Payton didnt win the ring. FACT.
gotta agree with  the fact they should re-sign Horry n Shaw (for his great chemistry with Oneal) but Fox ? nah his level game was pathetic in 2002
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: Da Flamboyant 1 on August 19, 2005, 03:23:05 PM
1 kg
2 duncan
3 shaq
4 lebron
5 iverson
6 stoudamire
7 dirk
8 mc grady
9 steve nash
10 wade

honrable mention kobes ballhoggin ass
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: Ali Tha Great on August 20, 2005, 12:08:30 PM
1.iverson
2.lebron james
3.tim duncan
4.shaq.
5.kevin garnet
6.dwayne wade
7.kobe bryant
8.tracy mcgrady
9.steve nash
10.marbury
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: Fuck Your Existence on August 20, 2005, 01:31:32 PM
J.Oneal is mad overrated
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: Spicemuthafuc*in1 on August 20, 2005, 03:44:59 PM
^^^HAHAHAHA YEAH right
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: Don Jacob on August 20, 2005, 04:06:00 PM
Kobe is still the best all around player in the league , the only way this will change is if kobe shows up next year and plays half assed (which i doubt will happen) or if the government discovers how to transport people from the past  to the present and gets Jordan and Magic in their prime in the NBA next season

Kobe= best player point blank period , no questions asked
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: Don Jacob on August 20, 2005, 04:14:20 PM
Becuz Shaq aint ther no more ;D

Shaq was there two years ago, and he was the main reason why Lakers didnt win the title. Because Brown chosed not to double him and he wasnt even able to put decent numbers against Ben Wallace. No. Shaq wasnt that dominant "alone". He's dominant, but he too needs a great supporting cast to win a title. Like Kobe. None in the League can win "alone". The 3peat team had players like Bryant, Horry, Fisher, Fox, Shaw, Harper, Grant, George, who all contribuited to make them Lakers the best team in the world. It was their defence, their 3pts (Horry, Fisher and Shaw, where you at?). Last year only Bryant was still there. And George, who didnt play. Not enought to compare the two dynasties. Not to mention Phil Jackson. But lol, y'all still continue to make those dumb statements.

Matter of fact Lakers lost when they cutted/traded/didnt re-sign players like Horry, Fox and Shaw, who were highly underrated. Shaq with Malone and Payton didnt win the ring. FACT.

ben wallace never shut down shaq, shaq and kobe were the only ones producing in the entire finals match up....shaq was putting up the same numbers

and even last season in the eastern finals the heat were rolling over the pistons and shaq kept calling out wallace.." if you're the leagues best defender , show me" the only reason why the heat lost was cuz wade went out and it was shaq vs the pistons.....there wasn't another significant scorer. every team that has won a championship needs that, that or an extraordinarily great defense

60's celtics had 3 significant scorers
show time - magic and kareem
chicago- jordan and pippen
spurs first two- the twin towers
last years spurs- 3 significant scorers
00's lakers- shaq and kobe
the bad boys- extraoridnary defense
mid 90's rockets-clyde and hakeem
70's lakers- west and chamberlin
80's celtics-3 significant scorers
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: Da Flamboyant 1 on August 20, 2005, 05:19:13 PM
kg > kobe
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: 7even on August 20, 2005, 05:25:25 PM
kg > kobe

^^ I agree Jamal.. KG has almost as many assists as Kobe LOL.. that alone should tell everything.
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: Stone Cold is Bout It, Bout It on August 20, 2005, 05:59:39 PM
^^^wow that's a great stat :o

let me give you a better stat.......KOBE,3 STRAIGHT CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!!!!!!!!! :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :yikes:

NOW SHUT THE FUCK UP..YOU STUPID ASS IGNORENT HATERS!!!! :-X :-X :-X
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: Fuck Your Existence on August 20, 2005, 06:08:34 PM
^^^HAHAHAHA YEAH right
homie your a Pacers fan. Your might be a little biased....put him in when the NBA was dominated by the 5 spot..Ewing,Olajuan,Mourning,O'neal,Robinson etc. my point would be quite obvious but since the NBA is quite lacking in talent at the center position at the moment hes hyped up to something hes not.
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: Maniac Marxxx on August 20, 2005, 06:48:21 PM
Lol Kobes 1 of the best i8n the game, but the best in the game? Dunno about that. Shaqs more dominant but they both played equal parts in winning the 'ships. Kevin Garnett is one of the best 2 but he didnt have a good season and manu would make top 15 not 10
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: 7even on August 20, 2005, 06:54:11 PM
lmao@Black Mask

dissin shaq but praisin kobe for 3 titles.. can it get more cynical?

Garnett is easily the most versitile player in the game.. aint no PF with more guard abilities.. like.. ever. Plus he gets rebounds like rodman. Fuckin athletic player too.
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: Maniac Marxxx on August 20, 2005, 07:16:53 PM
Dont get it twisted Garnetts ability is why i qaint sayin nothin about bein no1 on that list, im just sayin that last season wasnt a good 1 for him. I didnt say kobe 1 those ships by him self either i said they played equal parts.
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: 7even on August 20, 2005, 07:24:33 PM
I wasnt referring to you but to Black Mask and the whole board in general. You cool.
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: Maniac Marxxx on August 20, 2005, 07:28:27 PM
My bad, u kool 2
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: Spicemuthafuc*in1 on August 20, 2005, 07:54:24 PM
Relentless come on now Jermaine Oneal is so close to being as good as duncan and kg if he isnt there already, so hes not overhyped, if nething he is underated.
he is 27 and is getting better every year.  first off forget about offense, he is a great shot blocker and great defender with his athleticsm compare his defense to a dirk or amare and its not even close.

now to his offense and rebounding he has averaged 20 and 10 the last 4 straight years, last year he averaged 24PPG, 9 RPB, 2BLP, how many players do that?? plus he was playing injured all year.  he has a great mid range shot and a great low post game.

just watch all year next season and it will be obvious to see that he is one of the best 5-8 OVERALL players in the league
Title: Re: TOP 10 PLAYERS IN NBA
Post by: Stone Cold is Bout It, Bout It on August 21, 2005, 10:20:06 AM
When did i say shaq had nothing to do with the 3 championships?..it's fags like you who take away from kobe's hard work & say "he had nothing to do with the championships".WTF is that?..fucking haters...

we're talking about kobe..there for i brought up the championships..i didn't say shit about shaq had nothing to do with it..

i've always said it took a team effort as for every championship in sports history

When shaq sign to the lakers i thought was the best thing ever but then the honey moon died after 2 years..

playoffs

1997-we lose to the jazz 4-1 shaq plays no defence
1998- 4-0 same shit with shaq

then everyone in L.A wa looking for the guy that was going to help out shaq..@ the time kobe was a young kid who didn't know how to play with shaq & was selfish

then kobe became the starter in 1999 & we advance to the WCF but kobe playd selfish again but @ least we advance with kobe as the starter

then phil sign with the lakers & tought kobe how to be a team player & how to play with shaq & it was all over...3 straight championships 4 final appearances in 5 years

so it wasn't all shaq..he needed help...so don't say kobe had nothing to do with the championships & shaq is the main reason for the champiomships :psych: