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Title: Kurupt - Against The Grain
Post by: Capo Di Tutti I Capi on September 08, 2005, 07:25:36 AM
I've been bumping it alot lately so I think the album is better then everybody's sayin..
The production is nothing groundbreaking but it's ok and Kurupt it's not in his prime but still pretty good so I think it's underrated. anybody else feeling the same?
Title: Re: Kurupt - Against The Grain
Post by: wcsoldier on September 08, 2005, 07:28:41 AM
Production is ok, but for me Kurupt flow, delivery and lyrics are very weak, this album doesn't get lots of spins in my cd player.
Title: Re: Kurupt - Against The Grain
Post by: Episcop Cruel Cvrle on September 08, 2005, 07:47:08 AM
everyone has its own taste...me personaly ..i think the album is straight BANGER!!!

Speak on It

Anarchy 

Throwback

Stalkin (that would be song for MTV-BET-TRL)..song is waaaay better then Just A Lil Bit, Candy Shop etc

Jealousy

The Past

My Homeboys

Calico

man i can go on..whole album is BANGIN
Title: Re: Kurupt - Against The Grain
Post by: GangstaBoogy on September 08, 2005, 08:04:16 AM
* Anarchy 87
* Throwbacc Music
* Deep Dishes
* Stalkin
* Can U Feel it
* Jealousy
* The Past
* Its A Wrap

^im feelin those. the rest are blahhh

Title: Re: Kurupt - Against The Grain
Post by: Scoldie on September 08, 2005, 08:30:07 AM
Calicos is sick i like that track.  Stalkin kinda freaks me out cuz i had a stalker once, and thats exaclty like her.  Deep dishes tho is the shit.  I love that track.  The rest of it aight.  i give it a 7/10
Title: Re: Kurupt - Against The Grain
Post by: Meho on September 08, 2005, 09:36:07 AM
Production is ok, but for me Kurupt flow, delivery and lyrics are very weak, this album doesn't get spin in my cd player.
Title: Re: Kurupt - Against The Grain
Post by: KING VerbalAssaulta on September 08, 2005, 10:18:05 AM
best album so far this year imo...a lotta people like the commercial garbage thats running the charts now.(g unit, kanye west, fat joe etc..)...and they're gonna hate...this album sounds more like kurupts earlier efforts(kurruption and streetz)...which happen to be my of my favs of all time...production has a mid 90's death row sound...which works well
Title: Re: Kurupt - Against The Grain
Post by: BWNY on September 08, 2005, 12:06:44 PM
my humble opinion...kurupt fan...bought it...worth buying to hear kurupt...no where near a classic though..first time listeners...check out streets is a mutha to get a real sense of how kurupt gets down...
i checked out tharow.com and they had this to say "Many are wondering why there is a lack of promotion for "against tha grain" on this website. Basically we do not support nor endorse this record. Many songs made for the album were removed by Koch. This was not the intended "Against Tha Grain" we wanted to release and for this reason we urge fans not to purchase the album." i wonder how good this cd could have been??


10=classic
9=superior
8=above average
7=average
6=below average
5=don't need to mention below this point

I give it an overall 7/10


                                  Beat                               Lyrics
Speak on it                   5/10                              6/10
Stalkin 6/10                  5/10                              6/10
Deep Dishes                  9/10                              8/10
Its a Wrap                     3/10                             6/10(couln't vibe)
Throw Back Muzic 86'     8/10(nate imitated)         8/10
Im Back                        6/10                              7/10
Anarchy                        6/10(fast of slow paced?) 7/10
slide n slide out              7.5/10(i felt the beat)      9/10(East ang big helped out)
Can you feel it               5.5/10(chrous killed it)      5/10
Jelousy                        7/10                               7/10(roscoe gets a 9)
Calico                          3/10(reminds me of jarule) 7/10
The past                     8/10(Dave Holister)           8/10(felt the vibe or was it the weed??)
Bull Shit & Nonsense     6.5/10                              7/10
Hustlin                        7.5/10(east coast vibe)      8/10
My Homeboys              7.5/10                             7.5/10(beat revolves around pac)
u fucking with the best 6/10(repetitive)                8/10(next califronia governor)
Title: Re: Kurupt - Against The Grain
Post by: KURUPTION-81 on September 08, 2005, 12:09:04 PM
my humble opinion...kurupt fan...bought it...worth buying to hear kurupt...no where near a classic though..first time listeners...check out streets is a mutha to get a real sense of how kurupt gets down...
i checked out tharow.com and they had this to say "Many are wondering why there is a lack of promotion for "against tha grain" on this website. Basically we do not support nor endorse this record. Many songs made for the album were removed by Koch. This was not the intended "Against Tha Grain" we wanted to release and for this reason we urge fans not to purchase the album." i wonder how good this cd could have been??


10=classic
9=superior
8=above average
7=average
6=below average
5=don't need to mention below this point

I give it an overall 7/10


                                  Beat                               Lyrics
Speak on it                   5/10                              6/10
Stalkin 6/10                  5/10                              6/10
Deep Dishes                  9/10                              8/10
Its a Wrap                     3/10                             6/10(couln't vibe)
Throw Back Muzic 86'     8/10(nate imitated)         8/10
Im Back                        6/10                              7/10
Anarchy                        6/10(fast of slow paced?) 7/10
slide n slide out              7.5/10(i felt the beat)      9/10(East ang big helped out)
Can you feel it               5.5/10(chrous killed it)      5/10
Jelousy                        7/10                               7/10(roscoe gets a 9)
Calico                          3/10(reminds me of jarule) 7/10
The past                     8/10(Dave Holister)           8/10(felt the vibe or was it the weed??)
Bull Shit & Nonsense     6.5/10                              7/10
Hustlin                        7.5/10(east coast vibe)      8/10
My Homeboys              7.5/10                             7.5/10(beat revolves around pac)
u fucking with the best 6/10(repetitive)                8/10(next califronia governor)


nice post
Title: Re: Kurupt - Against The Grain
Post by: Young Old Head on May 13, 2022, 09:50:05 AM
Just listened to this album again after like 7, 8 years and I must say it aged surprisingly well. Production was actually nice. Nowhere near his first three albums tho, but it's solid.
Title: Re: Kurupt - Against The Grain
Post by: Al Bundy on May 13, 2022, 01:06:22 PM
I still believe the DPG version of ATG was the better of the two but I think, if you could combine the best parts of each, it would make a still very decent album from Kurupt that isn't quite up to par with the first three albums.
Title: Re: Kurupt - Against The Grain
Post by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on May 14, 2022, 12:07:11 AM
This shit is horrible and unlistenable.  Like someone at the forum said, nobody had a harder fall off then Kurupt.

When you are young you can guzzle all drugs and liquor you want and still feel like Superman.  That shit starts to wear on you when you when you aren't young anymore
Title: Re: Kurupt - Against The Grain
Post by: HighEyeCue on May 14, 2022, 03:54:01 AM
the DPG version of ATG with the tracks recorded before he went back to Death Row is definitely the better album

https://www.discogs.com/release/4461370-Kurupt-Against-The-Grain
Title: Re: Kurupt - Against The Grain
Post by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on May 14, 2022, 05:14:40 PM
the DPG version of ATG with the tracks recorded before he went back to Death Row is definitely the better album

https://www.discogs.com/release/4461370-Kurupt-Against-The-Grain

You got a link to where I can hear that version?  Or even just one of the better songs off that you recommend and link?

Bottom line though Kurupt just lost his invincibility when he lost his youth.  Some rappers don't age well.  He's still a great guy, and good in interviews, and as person--but lost his gift as an emcee
Title: Re: Kurupt - Against The Grain
Post by: HighEyeCue on May 15, 2022, 02:57:05 AM
You got a link to where I can hear that version?  Or even just one of the better songs off that you recommend and link?

Bottom line though Kurupt just lost his invincibility when he lost his youth.  Some rappers don't age well.  He's still a great guy, and good in interviews, and as person--but lost his gift as an emcee

yeah this one I think was recorded during the "Kuruption!" era, one of my favorite underrated Kurupt tracks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPG-ZAeGeS8
Title: Re: Kurupt - Against The Grain
Post by: Okka on May 15, 2022, 03:31:45 AM
the DPG version of ATG with the tracks recorded before he went back to Death Row is definitely the better album

https://www.discogs.com/release/4461370-Kurupt-Against-The-Grain

It was just a collection of songs Daz put together.
Title: Re: Kurupt - Against The Grain
Post by: HighEyeCue on May 15, 2022, 03:38:11 AM
It was just a collection of songs Daz put together.

yeah definitely more of a compilation than anything
Title: Re: Kurupt - Against The Grain
Post by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on May 15, 2022, 04:35:23 AM
yeah this one I think was recorded during the "Kuruption!" era, one of my favorite underrated Kurupt tracks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPG-ZAeGeS8

Damn good find homie  8)

..but this is definitely when Kurupt still had the glow of his youth.  This is not an Against the Grain era death row track when he’d fallen off (as you mentioned it was Kuruption era). 

Kurupt even said he had retired from rap actually so obviously he even recognized he had lost his voice and he was just supposed to be an executive over at Death Row but it didn’t work out the way it was supposed to, Left Eye died and they couldn’t figure out how to transition Crooked I from lyricist to star—and so Kurupt for whatever reason went in the studio and did against them grain a project that never should’ve seen the light of day
Title: Re: Kurupt - Against The Grain
Post by: Young Old Head on May 15, 2022, 08:10:17 AM
Damn good find homie  8)

..but this is definitely when Kurupt still had the glow of his youth.  This is not an Against the Grain era death row track when he’d fallen off (as you mentioned it was Kuruption era). 

Kurupt even said he had retired from rap actually so obviously he even recognized he had lost his voice and he was just supposed to be an executive over at Death Row but it didn’t work out the way it was supposed to, Left Eye died and they couldn’t figure out how to transition Crooked I from lyricist to star—and so Kurupt for whatever reason went in the studio and did against them grain a project that never should’ve seen the light of day

Source? Sounds like u made that whole part up :hmmm:
LOL @ "and so Kurupt for whatever reason went in the studio and did against them grain a project that never should’ve seen the light of day" – I remember these time pretty well and Kurupt was always over at DR as an executive and as an artist. Against Tha Grain was meant to come out way earlier in a different version too, but ultimately got released in '05 after Kurupt reconciled with Daz, so they changed the whole album up and replaced most of the diss songs.
And for the record, there's a couple of bangers on ATG: Throw Back Muzic '86, Can U Feel It, Tha Past, Bullshit & Nonsense all got this timeless West Coast sound. Also always loved I'm Back, Slide N Slide Out, Deep Dishes and Jealousy... And I ain't mad at the rest of the tracks either.
Title: Re: Kurupt - Against The Grain
Post by: astra4322 on May 18, 2022, 12:54:34 AM
I prefer "Down & Dirty" version.
Title: Re: Kurupt - Against The Grain
Post by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on May 22, 2022, 02:29:48 AM
Source? Sounds like u made that whole part up :hmmm:
LOL @ "and so Kurupt for whatever reason went in the studio and did against them grain a project that never should’ve seen the light of day" – I remember these time pretty well and Kurupt was always over at DR as an executive and as an artist. Against Tha Grain was meant to come out way earlier in a different version too, but ultimately got released in '05 after Kurupt reconciled with Daz, so they changed the whole album up and replaced most of the diss songs.
And for the record, there's a couple of bangers on ATG: Throw Back Muzic '86, Can U Feel It, Tha Past, Bullshit & Nonsense all got this timeless West Coast sound. Also always loved I'm Back, Slide N Slide Out, Deep Dishes and Jealousy... And I ain't mad at the rest of the tracks either.

I think he said it in the interview with Talib Kweli or with Vlad.. not sure but it wasn't that long ago I saw the interview.  Somebody can back me up on that he said it when describing his move back over to Death Row and why he did it.
Title: Re: Kurupt - Against The Grain
Post by: HighEyeCue on May 22, 2022, 03:23:27 AM
Kurupt was with Angie Martinez on Hot 97 with Suge and Crooked in early '02 and basically said what Infinite has stated...no mention of "Against The Grain" at that point but he had just went back to Death Row so that idea was probably formed later on

Title: Re: Kurupt - Against The Grain
Post by: D-Nice on May 22, 2022, 02:03:09 PM
Okay, so must of you don't know this but before Against The Grain...there was Back In Lane. The song 4 Tha G'z was on it. D.O.C. wrote some of it. It was before Daz and Snoop's beef with Kurupt started. That's the 02 album.
Title: Re: Kurupt - Against The Grain
Post by: Okka on May 22, 2022, 10:16:34 PM
Okay, so must of you don't know this but before Against The Grain...there was Back In Lane. The song 4 Tha G'z was on it. D.O.C. wrote some of it. It was before Daz and Snoop's beef with Kurupt started. That's the 02 album.

What up, D-Nice! Good to see you, man. I don't remember "Back In Lane" at all. You got any more information about it?
Title: Re: Kurupt - Against The Grain
Post by: HighEyeCue on May 23, 2022, 02:42:04 AM
Okay, so must of you don't know this but before Against The Grain...there was Back In Lane. The song 4 Tha G'z was on it. D.O.C. wrote some of it. It was before Daz and Snoop's beef with Kurupt started. That's the 02 album.

wow never knew this..."4 Tha Gz" was a nice track, sounds like this album had potential
Title: Re: Kurupt - Against The Grain
Post by: hitsaw on May 23, 2022, 03:00:22 AM
The album would better if the atg ep songs where on it.
Title: Re: Kurupt - Against The Grain
Post by: Okka on May 23, 2022, 11:07:59 AM
The album would better if the atg ep songs where on it.

Hell yeah. The EP is a classic in my opinion.
Title: Re: Kurupt - Against The Grain
Post by: Al Bundy on May 25, 2022, 08:28:52 AM
Okay, so must of you don't know this but before Against The Grain...there was Back In Lane. The song 4 Tha G'z was on it. D.O.C. wrote some of it. It was before Daz and Snoop's beef with Kurupt started. That's the 02 album.

It would be cool to find other tracks made for this album. I'll ask some of my collector buddies if they know more.
Title: Re: Kurupt - Against The Grain
Post by: HighEyeCue on May 26, 2022, 02:28:20 AM
there are a few tracks on Tha Row Rider bootleg that might have been for that album
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONrHVs8Octs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zTCBk3jZnc

there is also another one called Jus Like Me