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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: TeeRaySix9Teen on September 16, 2005, 06:16:06 PM
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preach Magic! lol
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congradulations on "maybe" been just like the Lakers..i know you want to be like us real bad..you want to know how it feels to be a Laker fan...i doubt you'll win consecutive championships (forget about 3 straight like The Lakers and bulls) but if you pray for it and eat your vegetables maybe your dream will come true
BTW Magic is a analyst you shouldn't get that exsited about those comments..he can't act like a homer..i bet he don't give a shit about the spurs
and you're stil a bandwaggon spurs fan...probably jumped on that bandwaggon in 99 in that 50 game season when the Lakers got beat by the spurs and used that to talk shit on Laker fans..eh you got burned 4 out of the next 5 years wich included the famus 0.4 second shot ;D 8)...
and the spurs still brought in the Lowest ratings in NBA finals history in 2003(Lowest ever) and 2005(2nd lowest games 1-5) untill the Last 2 games..like always the Lakers had to bring some buzz to the NBA by announsing phil jax return to the Lakers during the NBA Finals 8) :)
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LMAO@This comparison...You think just cuz Magic said it that it means something? Magic and every other NBA analyst has compared Kobe to Jordan. Does that mean anything?...80's Lakers would ride on todays Spurs like they were a little league team...He just said they play to win like the 80's Lakers did, that doesn't mean they're anywhere near as great as the 80's Lakers were...I know this Spurs team is amazing, but the 80's Lakers would seriously run down these Spurs...PeACe
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Magic >>> Spurs' history.
Nothing to add.
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Magic >>> Spurs' history.
Nothing to add.
;D
Kobe 3 Championships>>Spurs 3 Championships
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lol@ u morons.
i can honestly say i didnt read any of your posts. but i know how u dickriders are already. i only post this shit up because its YOUR guy who said it. in that stupidass lebron argument, it was YOUR guy who said that lebron was far better early in his career then Kobe was. thats it, plain and simple. deal with it and suck it up.
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Analysts always compare teams to others, if Magic thinks that , it's his right. I don't see the point of making this thread outside speaking about the team you like and the Lakers you hate.....
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lol@ u morons.
i can honestly say i didnt read any of your posts.
of course you didn't you can't handle the ass whopins no more..lol @ you been a bitter spurs fan...can you make it more abvious why you say stupid shit like Lebronze is better then kobe ;D....
so how dies it fell to be owned TeeRaySix9Teen ??? ;D
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lol@ u morons.
i can honestly say i didnt read any of your posts.
of course you didn't you can't handle the ass whopins no more..lol @ you been a bitter spurs fan...can you make it more abvious why you say stupid shit like Lebronze is better then kobe ;D....
so how dies it fell to be owned TeeRaySix9Teen ??? ;D
the internet isnt for everybody, 'whopins', 'abvious', 'lebronze', 'how dies it feel' ? what the hell are you smoking?
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Nobody lives in the past more than Lakers fans...don't expect to compete for a championship anytime soon.
The Spurs and Pistons had very low ratings because they play team ball. They play ball the right way, unfortunately that doesn't sell tickets. Having four Hall of Famers sells tickets. Having a rapist sells tickets. Having more drama on your team than Days of Our Lives sells tickets.
Go ahead dickriders...flame away. But please, before you do, check your replies for spelling and puncuation errors.
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lol@ u morons.
i can honestly say i didnt read any of your posts.
of course you didn't you can't handle the ass whopins no more..lol @ you been a bitter spurs fan...can you make it more abvious why you say stupid shit like Lebronze is better then kobe ;D....
so how dies it fell to be owned TeeRaySix9Teen ??? ;D
the internet isnt for everybody, 'whopins', 'abvious', 'lebronze', 'how dies it feel' ? what the hell are you smoking?
He's a lil retarded...
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Nobody lives in the past more than Lakers fans...don't expect to compete for a championship anytime soon.
The Spurs and Pistons had very low ratings because they play team ball. They play ball the right way, unfortunately that doesn't sell tickets. Having four Hall of Famers sells tickets. Having a rapist sells tickets. Having more drama on your team than Days of Our Lives sells tickets.
Go ahead dickriders...flame away. But please, before you do, check your replies for spelling and puncuation errors.
How 'bout Showtime sells... 8)
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lol@ u morons.
i can honestly say i didnt read any of your posts.
of course you didn't you can't handle the ass whopins no more..lol @ you been a bitter spurs fan...can you make it more abvious why you say stupid shit like Lebronze is better then kobe ;D....
so how dies it fell to be owned TeeRaySix9Teen ??? ;D
the internet isnt for everybody, 'whopins', 'abvious', 'lebronze', 'how dies it feel' ? what the hell are you smoking?
first of all smart ass i was typing fast...I was getting ready to watch the 2nd half of the game i was watching...and me calling Lebron "Labronze" was on purpose..you see..he won a bronze medal..so his nick name is Lebronze" so :psych: and all the haters..& also lol @ you bringing my spelling..that's a nother sign that these faggots lost the argument
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Nobody lives in the past more than Lakers fans...don't expect to compete for a championship anytime soon.
The Spurs and Pistons had very low ratings because they play team ball. They play ball the right way, unfortunately that doesn't sell tickets. Having four Hall of Famers sells tickets. Having a rapist sells tickets. Having more drama on your team than Days of Our Lives sells tickets.
Go ahead dickriders...flame away. But please, before you do, check your replies for spelling and puncuation errors.
HA!..Faggot! a nother person got butthurt..lol @ you defending the spurs a.k.a The Lakers Bitch...and how do we live in the past? B/c we let people know we're the best franchise? if they don't want to hear that, just shut the fuck up :sshh:
Once these Laker haters get schooled they go with the "living in the past" card..morons
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lol@ u morons.
i can honestly say i didnt read any of your posts.
of course you didn't you can't handle the ass whopins no more..lol @ you been a bitter spurs fan...can you make it more abvious why you say stupid shit like Lebronze is better then kobe ;D....
so how dies it fell to be owned TeeRaySix9Teen ??? ;D
the internet isnt for everybody, 'whopins', 'abvious', 'lebronze', 'how dies it feel' ? what the hell are you smoking?
He's a lil retarded...
And Favre is Overrated and should retire he fucking sucks
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lol@ u morons.
i can honestly say i didnt read any of your posts.
of course you didn't you can't handle the ass whopins no more..lol @ you been a bitter spurs fan...can you make it more abvious why you say stupid shit like Lebronze is better then kobe ;D....
so how dies it fell to be owned TeeRaySix9Teen ??? ;D
the internet isnt for everybody, 'whopins', 'abvious', 'lebronze', 'how dies it feel' ? what the hell are you smoking?
He's a lil retarded...
Just a Lil??
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I didn't bother reading this bullshit, but it better not be sayin the Spurs are as dope as the '80s Lakers :loco: :sshh: :loser: :nawty: :oi: :whistle: :stop: :stupid: :eh: :grumpy: :nahnah: :banana:
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lol@ u morons.
i can honestly say i didnt read any of your posts.
of course you didn't you can't handle the ass whopins no more..lol @ you been a bitter spurs fan...can you make it more abvious why you say stupid shit like Lebronze is better then kobe ;D....
so how dies it fell to be owned TeeRaySix9Teen ??? ;D
the internet isnt for everybody, 'whopins', 'abvious', 'lebronze', 'how dies it feel' ? what the hell are you smoking?
He's a lil retarded...
And Favre is Overrated and should retire he fucking sucks
:o
There's my evidence ;D.
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Nobody lives in the past more than Lakers fans...don't expect to compete for a championship anytime soon.
The Spurs and Pistons had very low ratings because they play team ball. They play ball the right way, unfortunately that doesn't sell tickets. Having four Hall of Famers sells tickets. Having a rapist sells tickets. Having more drama on your team than Days of Our Lives sells tickets.
Go ahead dickriders...flame away. But please, before you do, check your replies for spelling and puncuation errors.
How 'bout Showtime sells... 8)
Oops, I stand corrected. Add "Showtime sells" to the list.
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Nobody lives in the past more than Lakers fans...don't expect to compete for a championship anytime soon.
The Spurs and Pistons had very low ratings because they play team ball. They play ball the right way, unfortunately that doesn't sell tickets. Having four Hall of Famers sells tickets. Having a rapist sells tickets. Having more drama on your team than Days of Our Lives sells tickets.
Go ahead dickriders...flame away. But please, before you do, check your replies for spelling and puncuation errors.
Man the fact that you just called Kobe a "rapist" is the perfect proof that you are a Kobe hater. You have problems with Kobe and with people loving and supporting Kobe. Cause really there wasnt no need to call him a rapist, expecially after he "won" the trial and he's a free man. You should respect it. Are you a jealous man? Yes, Spurs are winning titles, but STILL people are talking about Kobe and the Lakers more than the Spurs. You are the first. Face it: Lakers rules the NBA. No matter who wins.
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The Lakers ruled back in the 80's, nobody can question that. They could've had another huge run but let drama and ego's get in the way. Blame Shaq, blame Kobe...it doesn't really matter who, but they fucked that up for themselves.
They didn't rule the NBA in the 90's. They don't rule the NBA anymore. Sure, they have all the flash, but that's because of the location. Being in N.Y. or L.A. gives you a greater advantage to being anywhere else in America.
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The Lakers ruled back in the 80's, nobody can question that. They could've had another huge run but let drama and ego's get in the way. Blame Shaq, blame Kobe...it doesn't really matter who, but they fucked that up for themselves.
They COULD'VE had another huge run? 3 champions and 4 final appearances in 5 years isn't a run anymore?? ::)
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The Lakers ruled back in the 80's, nobody can question that. They could've had another huge run but let drama and ego's get in the way. Blame Shaq, blame Kobe...it doesn't really matter who, but they fucked that up for themselves.
You still dont make sense at all. A huge run? How do you spell 3peat? C'mon now, you're pretty embarassing now.
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this Laker hating is childish :nawty:
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lol@ u morons.
i can honestly say i didnt read any of your posts.
of course you didn't you can't handle the ass whopins no more..lol @ you been a bitter spurs fan...can you make it more abvious why you say stupid shit like Lebronze is better then kobe ;D....
so how dies it fell to be owned TeeRaySix9Teen ??? ;D
the internet isnt for everybody, 'whopins', 'abvious', 'lebronze', 'how dies it feel' ? what the hell are you smoking?
first of all smart ass i was typing fast...I was getting ready to watch the 2nd half of the game i was watching...and me calling Lebron "Labronze" was on purpose..you see..he won a bronze medal..so his nick name is Lebronze" so :psych: and all the haters..& also lol @ you bringing my spelling..that's a nother sign that these faggots lost the argument
u pretending like youve won an argument where u base everything on your own personal opinion, is proof that youve lost. Quit making yourself feel better by lying to yourself. Like someone else said, quit living in the past. I guess in your opinion, the 49ers and Cowboys are the teams to watch this year huh? lol. Youve proven absolutely NOTHING with your entire argument. Only thing proven, youre obviously the biggest dickrider on Earth. you should be ashamed of yourself for being such a loser lol. You make yourself look even more stupid everytime you call a Spurs fan bitter, when we won the championship last year and will be the favortie again this year. The only thing that kept us from kickin the shit out of your garbage team was the fact you guys didnt even make the playoffs lol. Get over it, you guys are done for a while. Youll be watching the finals just like your team will be...on the TV. Kobe isnt the best player in the league...deal with it. The only people on here supporting that theory are who? The Laker fans....what a fuckin surprise! lol. Youre making Laker fans look REALLY bad man, so u might as well quit responding before u just damage your argument more.
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I didn't bother reading this bullshit, but it better not be sayin the Spurs are as dope as the '80s Lakers :loco: :sshh: :loser: :nawty: :oi: :whistle: :stop: :stupid: :eh: :grumpy: :nahnah: :banana:
no, it doesnt. It says that Magic said it.
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lol@ u morons.
i can honestly say i didnt read any of your posts.
of course you didn't you can't handle the ass whopins no more..lol @ you been a bitter spurs fan...can you make it more abvious why you say stupid shit like Lebronze is better then kobe ;D....
so how dies it fell to be owned TeeRaySix9Teen ??? ;D
the internet isnt for everybody, 'whopins', 'abvious', 'lebronze', 'how dies it feel' ? what the hell are you smoking?
He's UNBELIEVABLY retarded...
seriously...lol
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^^^ dude shut up, stop taking 30 minutes to write some shit nobody's gonna bother reading :laugh:
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Nobody lives in the past more than Lakers fans...don't expect to compete for a championship anytime soon.
The Spurs and Pistons had very low ratings because they play team ball. They play ball the right way, unfortunately that doesn't sell tickets. Having four Hall of Famers sells tickets. Having a rapist sells tickets. Having more drama on your team than Days of Our Lives sells tickets.
Go ahead dickriders...flame away. But please, before you do, check your replies for spelling and puncuation errors.
Man the fact that you just called Kobe a "rapist" is the perfect proof that you are a Kobe hater. You have problems with Kobe and with people loving and supporting Kobe. Cause really there wasnt no need to call him a rapist, expecially after he "won" the trial and he's a free man. You should respect it. Are you a jealous man? Yes, Spurs are winning titles, but STILL people are talking about Kobe and the Lakers more than the Spurs. You are the first. Face it: Lakers rules the NBA. No matter who wins.
Are u even in America? lol. Just wondering. Youre response was a little ignorant is all. You understand the Lakers happen to be in the largest (other then NY) media market in the country? Of course the spotlight is on them. If the Knicks won only a couple championships in the last 15 years, and were slightly competitive...theyd be on tv every second. You guys seem to mistake who makes the headlines for whos the best team. Making headlines means shit. Would u rather be on the cover of the sports section in the LA Times...or be the NBA Champion? Like someone else here said, the Lakers just have a lot of bullshit drama all the time. How is that something to be proud of? They have a lot of whiners on the court, and a lot of whiners in the stands. Funny thing is, i dont even hate the Lakers lol. Their fans can be REALLY stupid with their lack of actual basketball knowledge, but i dont hate the team. Problem is, Laker fans are SO blind...that when you say something negative about the team...they think you hate the team lol. Stupid huh? If you notice, im probably the only Spurs fan in this thread. But im not the only one defending them. At the same time...whos defending the Lakers? Only Laker fans.
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^^^ seriously, shut up mayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyne
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^^^ dude shut up, stop taking 30 minutes to write some shit nobody's gonna bother reading :laugh:
passionate Laker hater..that's the way it is..they're just mad as shit at all the ass whoopins we gave the spurs now he's all happy we down for a second..what he doesn't realize is that he's making himself look stupid..but he's trying to spin it like us laker fans are the dumb ones
how you going talk shit about a team/player that has beat the shit out of your team for ever..kobe's best playoff games have come against the spurs
2001 playoffs-93 points combined the 1rst 2 games in SA,on the road ;D
2004 playoffs-42 points in game 4 after pleading not guilty to sexual assult and been in eagle,CO all day :o :o :o :o
and a bunch of other solid games......And also shaq has beating the shit out of his boy david robinson hahaha...and they are also mad about what happend in the 2001 playoffs..we sweapt them and beat'em every game by 20 points lol
so go a head and take your lil shots right now..take advantage of this lil window you have to take shots @ the Lakers & Kobe..we will be back to dominate the spurs like we always have
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^^^ dude shut up, stop taking 30 minutes to write some shit nobody's gonna bother reading :laugh:
passionate Laker hater..that's the way it is..they're just mad as shit at all the ass whoopins we gave the spurs now he's all happy we down for a second..what he doesn't realize is that he's making himself look stupid..but he's trying to spin it like us laker fans are the dumb ones
how you going talk shit about a team/player that has beat the shit out of your team for ever..kobe's best playoff games have come against the spurs
2001 playoffs-93 points combined the 1rst 2 games in SA,on the road ;D
2004 playoffs-42 points in game 4 after pleading not guilty to sexual assult and been in eagle,CO all day :o :o :o :o
and a bunch of other solid games......And also shaq has beating the shit out of his boy david robinson hahaha...and they are also mad about what happend in the 2001 playoffs..we sweapt them and beat'em every game by 20 points lol
so go a head and take your lil shots right now..take advantage of this lil window you have to take shots @ the Lakers & Kobe..we will be back to dominate the spurs like we always have
*yawn* you keep repeating the same bullshit argument that hasnt worked yet. get a clue. its only the dickriders defending your wack ass team. EVERYone who isnt a fan of the Lakers, see's how dumb you guys sound. Anyone with more then half a brain could understand this. How come you cant? Like i said, if you want to use your wins against us to prove your point...how about paying attention to the same ass whoopins that we dealt you? Are you that retarded? Did you "dominate" us in our championship runs? No, we dominated you. Did you "dominate" us last year? No, you guys couldnt make the playoffs. Think how stupid you sound now. I wonder how many more years we'll be better then the Lakers? I might die of old age waiting for you guys to "dominate" us. lol
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**Ignores post,reminds him why he's mad as shit**
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*reminds you why youre living in the past*
2004-2004 Season
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L.A. Clippers 37 45
L.A. Lakers 34 48 :loser:
Spurs-Champions...
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Nobody lives in the past more than Lakers fans...don't expect to compete for a championship anytime soon.
The Spurs and Pistons had very low ratings because they play team ball. They play ball the right way, unfortunately that doesn't sell tickets. Having four Hall of Famers sells tickets. Having a rapist sells tickets. Having more drama on your team than Days of Our Lives sells tickets.
Go ahead dickriders...flame away. But please, before you do, check your replies for spelling and puncuation errors.
Man the fact that you just called Kobe a "rapist" is the perfect proof that you are a Kobe hater. You have problems with Kobe and with people loving and supporting Kobe. Cause really there wasnt no need to call him a rapist, expecially after he "won" the trial and he's a free man. You should respect it. Are you a jealous man? Yes, Spurs are winning titles, but STILL people are talking about Kobe and the Lakers more than the Spurs. You are the first. Face it: Lakers rules the NBA. No matter who wins.
Are u even in America? lol. Just wondering. Youre response was a little ignorant is all. You understand the Lakers happen to be in the largest (other then NY) media market in the country? Of course the spotlight is on them. If the Knicks won only a couple championships in the last 15 years, and were slightly competitive...theyd be on tv every second. You guys seem to mistake who makes the headlines for whos the best team. Making headlines means shit. Would u rather be on the cover of the sports section in the LA Times...or be the NBA Champion? Like someone else here said, the Lakers just have a lot of bullshit drama all the time. How is that something to be proud of? They have a lot of whiners on the court, and a lot of whiners in the stands. Funny thing is, i dont even hate the Lakers lol. Their fans can be REALLY stupid with their lack of actual basketball knowledge, but i dont hate the team. Problem is, Laker fans are SO blind...that when you say something negative about the team...they think you hate the team lol. Stupid huh? If you notice, im probably the only Spurs fan in this thread. But im not the only one defending them. At the same time...whos defending the Lakers? Only Laker fans.
Ok. First of all i aint talking about which team was better last season. Spurs deserved the NBA title, since they played great team ball. And yes, i'm European, so i know team ball more than you, since European teams ownes your teams about this aspect of the game. I recognize Spurs are a great team with great players and team ball, but still you made a reply going OT. I asked you why the hell you called Kobe a "rapist". It's been proved Kobe isnt a rapist. You calling him a rapist is just pure hate. And a hater is simply jealous.
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Nobody lives in the past more than Lakers fans...don't expect to compete for a championship anytime soon.
The Spurs and Pistons had very low ratings because they play team ball. They play ball the right way, unfortunately that doesn't sell tickets. Having four Hall of Famers sells tickets. Having a rapist sells tickets. Having more drama on your team than Days of Our Lives sells tickets.
Go ahead dickriders...flame away. But please, before you do, check your replies for spelling and puncuation errors.
Man the fact that you just called Kobe a "rapist" is the perfect proof that you are a Kobe hater. You have problems with Kobe and with people loving and supporting Kobe. Cause really there wasnt no need to call him a rapist, expecially after he "won" the trial and he's a free man. You should respect it. Are you a jealous man? Yes, Spurs are winning titles, but STILL people are talking about Kobe and the Lakers more than the Spurs. You are the first. Face it: Lakers rules the NBA. No matter who wins.
Are u even in America? lol. Just wondering. Youre response was a little ignorant is all. You understand the Lakers happen to be in the largest (other then NY) media market in the country? Of course the spotlight is on them. If the Knicks won only a couple championships in the last 15 years, and were slightly competitive...theyd be on tv every second. You guys seem to mistake who makes the headlines for whos the best team. Making headlines means shit. Would u rather be on the cover of the sports section in the LA Times...or be the NBA Champion? Like someone else here said, the Lakers just have a lot of bullshit drama all the time. How is that something to be proud of? They have a lot of whiners on the court, and a lot of whiners in the stands. Funny thing is, i dont even hate the Lakers lol. Their fans can be REALLY stupid with their lack of actual basketball knowledge, but i dont hate the team. Problem is, Laker fans are SO blind...that when you say something negative about the team...they think you hate the team lol. Stupid huh? If you notice, im probably the only Spurs fan in this thread. But im not the only one defending them. At the same time...whos defending the Lakers? Only Laker fans.
Ok. First of all i aint talking about which team was better last season. Spurs deserved the NBA title, since they played great team ball. And yes, i'm European, so i know team ball more than you, since European teams ownes your teams about this aspect of the game. I recognize Spurs are a great team with great players and team ball, but still you made a reply going OT. I asked you why the hell you called Kobe a "rapist". It's been proved Kobe isnt a rapist. You calling him a rapist is just pure hate. And a hater is simply jealous.
lol@ Being European means YOU personally know team ball better then me? lol. If that were the case, then youd "KNOW" why it is that people criticize Kobe's ability to be a team leader. As for the rapist thing, scroll through the thread again man and figure out who actually said that.
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Nobody lives in the past more than Lakers fans...don't expect to compete for a championship anytime soon.
The Spurs and Pistons had very low ratings because they play team ball. They play ball the right way, unfortunately that doesn't sell tickets. Having four Hall of Famers sells tickets. Having a rapist sells tickets. Having more drama on your team than Days of Our Lives sells tickets.
Go ahead dickriders...flame away. But please, before you do, check your replies for spelling and puncuation errors.
Man the fact that you just called Kobe a "rapist" is the perfect proof that you are a Kobe hater. You have problems with Kobe and with people loving and supporting Kobe. Cause really there wasnt no need to call him a rapist, expecially after he "won" the trial and he's a free man. You should respect it. Are you a jealous man? Yes, Spurs are winning titles, but STILL people are talking about Kobe and the Lakers more than the Spurs. You are the first. Face it: Lakers rules the NBA. No matter who wins.
Are u even in America? lol. Just wondering. Youre response was a little ignorant is all. You understand the Lakers happen to be in the largest (other then NY) media market in the country? Of course the spotlight is on them. If the Knicks won only a couple championships in the last 15 years, and were slightly competitive...theyd be on tv every second. You guys seem to mistake who makes the headlines for whos the best team. Making headlines means shit. Would u rather be on the cover of the sports section in the LA Times...or be the NBA Champion? Like someone else here said, the Lakers just have a lot of bullshit drama all the time. How is that something to be proud of? They have a lot of whiners on the court, and a lot of whiners in the stands. Funny thing is, i dont even hate the Lakers lol. Their fans can be REALLY stupid with their lack of actual basketball knowledge, but i dont hate the team. Problem is, Laker fans are SO blind...that when you say something negative about the team...they think you hate the team lol. Stupid huh? If you notice, im probably the only Spurs fan in this thread. But im not the only one defending them. At the same time...whos defending the Lakers? Only Laker fans.
Ok. First of all i aint talking about which team was better last season. Spurs deserved the NBA title, since they played great team ball. And yes, i'm European, so i know team ball more than you, since European teams ownes your teams about this aspect of the game. I recognize Spurs are a great team with great players and team ball, but still you made a reply going OT. I asked you why the hell you called Kobe a "rapist". It's been proved Kobe isnt a rapist. You calling him a rapist is just pure hate. And a hater is simply jealous.
lol@ Being European means YOU personally know team ball better then me? lol. If that were the case, then youd "KNOW" why it is that people criticize Kobe's ability to be a team leader. As for the rapist thing, scroll through the thread again man and figure out who actually said that.
Kobe's ability to be a team leader without a decent coach has yet to be proven, i do agree. Other than that LMAO, why the fuck did you even reply to me? lol. I thought you was the one who called Kobe a "rapist". Thank God he gave up.
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I didn't bother reading this bullshit, but it better not be sayin the Spurs are as dope as the '80s Lakers :loco: :sshh: :loser: :nawty: :oi: :whistle: :stop: :stupid: :eh: :grumpy: :nahnah: :banana:
no, it doesnt. It says that Magic said it.
He never said that, you piece of shit liar.
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Kobe isnt the best player in the league...deal with it. The only people on here supporting that theory are who? The Laker fans....what a fuckin surprise! lol.
LOL, yea, on this dumbass board. Everywhere else you go, the majority of knowledgable NBA heads and analysts will say Kobe. This board is full of casual basketball fans who "only watch LeBron"...
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Nobody lives in the past more than Lakers fans...don't expect to compete for a championship anytime soon.
The Spurs and Pistons had very low ratings because they play team ball. They play ball the right way, unfortunately that doesn't sell tickets. Having four Hall of Famers sells tickets. Having a rapist sells tickets. Having more drama on your team than Days of Our Lives sells tickets.
Go ahead dickriders...flame away. But please, before you do, check your replies for spelling and puncuation errors.
Man the fact that you just called Kobe a "rapist" is the perfect proof that you are a Kobe hater. You have problems with Kobe and with people loving and supporting Kobe. Cause really there wasnt no need to call him a rapist, expecially after he "won" the trial and he's a free man. You should respect it. Are you a jealous man? Yes, Spurs are winning titles, but STILL people are talking about Kobe and the Lakers more than the Spurs. You are the first. Face it: Lakers rules the NBA. No matter who wins.
Are u even in America? lol. Just wondering. Youre response was a little ignorant is all. You understand the Lakers happen to be in the largest (other then NY) media market in the country? Of course the spotlight is on them. If the Knicks won only a couple championships in the last 15 years, and were slightly competitive...theyd be on tv every second. You guys seem to mistake who makes the headlines for whos the best team. Making headlines means shit. Would u rather be on the cover of the sports section in the LA Times...or be the NBA Champion? Like someone else here said, the Lakers just have a lot of bullshit drama all the time. How is that something to be proud of? They have a lot of whiners on the court, and a lot of whiners in the stands. Funny thing is, i dont even hate the Lakers lol. Their fans can be REALLY stupid with their lack of actual basketball knowledge, but i dont hate the team. Problem is, Laker fans are SO blind...that when you say something negative about the team...they think you hate the team lol. Stupid huh? If you notice, im probably the only Spurs fan in this thread. But im not the only one defending them. At the same time...whos defending the Lakers? Only Laker fans.
It's funny how you generalize Laker fans...Reminds me kind of how KKK's generalize minorities. Thank God you're not white.
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Kobe isnt the best player in the league...deal with it. The only people on here supporting that theory are who? The Laker fans....what a fuckin surprise! lol.
LOL, yea, on this dumbass board. Everywhere else you go, the majority of knowledgable NBA heads and analysts will say Kobe. This board is full of casual basketball fans who "only watch LeBron"...
in case you didnt notice, youve been probably the most active member of this "dumbass board" since its been up lol. so if everyone else here is a "casual basketball fan", then so are you. you must not go out much to say that the majority of knowledgable basketball heads pick Kobe as the best player in the league lol. Last year exposed him somewhat, and knowledgable basketball heads see that...unless theyre laker fans that is. I havent been hearing too many real (not fox west!) analyst claim Kobe is the best in the league. When i posted up that poll of ESPN analysts where every single one of them picked Duncan as the best overall power forward of all time, do u think any of them would take Kobe right now as the best player in the league? lol
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Nobody lives in the past more than Lakers fans...don't expect to compete for a championship anytime soon.
The Spurs and Pistons had very low ratings because they play team ball. They play ball the right way, unfortunately that doesn't sell tickets. Having four Hall of Famers sells tickets. Having a rapist sells tickets. Having more drama on your team than Days of Our Lives sells tickets.
Go ahead dickriders...flame away. But please, before you do, check your replies for spelling and puncuation errors.
Man the fact that you just called Kobe a "rapist" is the perfect proof that you are a Kobe hater. You have problems with Kobe and with people loving and supporting Kobe. Cause really there wasnt no need to call him a rapist, expecially after he "won" the trial and he's a free man. You should respect it. Are you a jealous man? Yes, Spurs are winning titles, but STILL people are talking about Kobe and the Lakers more than the Spurs. You are the first. Face it: Lakers rules the NBA. No matter who wins.
Are u even in America? lol. Just wondering. Youre response was a little ignorant is all. You understand the Lakers happen to be in the largest (other then NY) media market in the country? Of course the spotlight is on them. If the Knicks won only a couple championships in the last 15 years, and were slightly competitive...theyd be on tv every second. You guys seem to mistake who makes the headlines for whos the best team. Making headlines means shit. Would u rather be on the cover of the sports section in the LA Times...or be the NBA Champion? Like someone else here said, the Lakers just have a lot of bullshit drama all the time. How is that something to be proud of? They have a lot of whiners on the court, and a lot of whiners in the stands. Funny thing is, i dont even hate the Lakers lol. Their fans can be REALLY stupid with their lack of actual basketball knowledge, but i dont hate the team. Problem is, Laker fans are SO blind...that when you say something negative about the team...they think you hate the team lol. Stupid huh? If you notice, im probably the only Spurs fan in this thread. But im not the only one defending them. At the same time...whos defending the Lakers? Only Laker fans.
It's funny how you generalize Laker fans...Reminds me kind of how KKK's generalize minorities. Thank God you're not white.
or how u guys generalize anyone who doesnt suck Kobe's dick as a "Laker Hater"?
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Nobody lives in the past more than Lakers fans...don't expect to compete for a championship anytime soon.
The Spurs and Pistons had very low ratings because they play team ball. They play ball the right way, unfortunately that doesn't sell tickets. Having four Hall of Famers sells tickets. Having a rapist sells tickets. Having more drama on your team than Days of Our Lives sells tickets.
Go ahead dickriders...flame away. But please, before you do, check your replies for spelling and puncuation errors.
Man the fact that you just called Kobe a "rapist" is the perfect proof that you are a Kobe hater. You have problems with Kobe and with people loving and supporting Kobe. Cause really there wasnt no need to call him a rapist, expecially after he "won" the trial and he's a free man. You should respect it. Are you a jealous man? Yes, Spurs are winning titles, but STILL people are talking about Kobe and the Lakers more than the Spurs. You are the first. Face it: Lakers rules the NBA. No matter who wins.
Are u even in America? lol. Just wondering. Youre response was a little ignorant is all. You understand the Lakers happen to be in the largest (other then NY) media market in the country? Of course the spotlight is on them. If the Knicks won only a couple championships in the last 15 years, and were slightly competitive...theyd be on tv every second. You guys seem to mistake who makes the headlines for whos the best team. Making headlines means shit. Would u rather be on the cover of the sports section in the LA Times...or be the NBA Champion? Like someone else here said, the Lakers just have a lot of bullshit drama all the time. How is that something to be proud of? They have a lot of whiners on the court, and a lot of whiners in the stands. Funny thing is, i dont even hate the Lakers lol. Their fans can be REALLY stupid with their lack of actual basketball knowledge, but i dont hate the team. Problem is, Laker fans are SO blind...that when you say something negative about the team...they think you hate the team lol. Stupid huh? If you notice, im probably the only Spurs fan in this thread. But im not the only one defending them. At the same time...whos defending the Lakers? Only Laker fans.
It's funny how you generalize Laker fans...Reminds me kind of how KKK's generalize minorities. Thank God you're not white.
or how u guys generalize anyone who doesnt suck Kobe's dick as a "Laker Hater"?
Actually he called him a "rapist". Isn't it enought to call him a "Laker Hater"? Don't act like a victim, you ain't good at it.
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Nobody lives in the past more than Lakers fans...don't expect to compete for a championship anytime soon.
The Spurs and Pistons had very low ratings because they play team ball. They play ball the right way, unfortunately that doesn't sell tickets. Having four Hall of Famers sells tickets. Having a rapist sells tickets. Having more drama on your team than Days of Our Lives sells tickets.
Go ahead dickriders...flame away. But please, before you do, check your replies for spelling and puncuation errors.
Man the fact that you just called Kobe a "rapist" is the perfect proof that you are a Kobe hater. You have problems with Kobe and with people loving and supporting Kobe. Cause really there wasnt no need to call him a rapist, expecially after he "won" the trial and he's a free man. You should respect it. Are you a jealous man? Yes, Spurs are winning titles, but STILL people are talking about Kobe and the Lakers more than the Spurs. You are the first. Face it: Lakers rules the NBA. No matter who wins.
Are u even in America? lol. Just wondering. Youre response was a little ignorant is all. You understand the Lakers happen to be in the largest (other then NY) media market in the country? Of course the spotlight is on them. If the Knicks won only a couple championships in the last 15 years, and were slightly competitive...theyd be on tv every second. You guys seem to mistake who makes the headlines for whos the best team. Making headlines means shit. Would u rather be on the cover of the sports section in the LA Times...or be the NBA Champion? Like someone else here said, the Lakers just have a lot of bullshit drama all the time. How is that something to be proud of? They have a lot of whiners on the court, and a lot of whiners in the stands. Funny thing is, i dont even hate the Lakers lol. Their fans can be REALLY stupid with their lack of actual basketball knowledge, but i dont hate the team. Problem is, Laker fans are SO blind...that when you say something negative about the team...they think you hate the team lol. Stupid huh? If you notice, im probably the only Spurs fan in this thread. But im not the only one defending them. At the same time...whos defending the Lakers? Only Laker fans.
It's funny how you generalize Laker fans...Reminds me kind of how KKK's generalize minorities. Thank God you're not white.
or how u guys generalize anyone who doesnt suck Kobe's dick as a "Laker Hater"?
If you hate on the Lakers, which you've undeniably been doing, what does that make you...?
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"I don't see how he does it," Shaq said. "He's a fabulous player, probably the best player that ever played the game, especially with all the stuff he's been going through. And it was a fabulous night for him, a memorable night."
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"He is one of the greatest players ever. Kobe will leave his legacy on this game." - Baron Davis
"Kobe is the best all-around player in the game today at both ends of the court." - Byron Scott
"Kobe is the best player in the game." - Phil Jackson
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"Kobe is my SG in the All-Winter coached team" - Tex Winter
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"Kobe Bryant is (the best player in the NBA). When it comes to the best player in the league, I separate dominance from player. Kobe Bryant can do everything Shaq can do, but Shaq can't do everything Kobe can do. Shaq can dominate you, but Kobe can dribble, pass, shoot ... do it all. Plus Kobe comes to play every night. Shaq takes some nights off." - Ice Cube
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"Anybody with half a brain knows Kobe is one of the three best all-around players in the league. Personally, I think he's the best." - Sports Illustrated senior writer Jack McCallum
...I can keep going.
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"Kobe is the best player in the league" - Stephon Marbury.
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http://www.kobe8bryant.net/quotes.html
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Nobody lives in the past more than Lakers fans...don't expect to compete for a championship anytime soon.
The Spurs and Pistons had very low ratings because they play team ball. They play ball the right way, unfortunately that doesn't sell tickets. Having four Hall of Famers sells tickets. Having a rapist sells tickets. Having more drama on your team than Days of Our Lives sells tickets.
Go ahead dickriders...flame away. But please, before you do, check your replies for spelling and puncuation errors.
Man the fact that you just called Kobe a "rapist" is the perfect proof that you are a Kobe hater. You have problems with Kobe and with people loving and supporting Kobe. Cause really there wasnt no need to call him a rapist, expecially after he "won" the trial and he's a free man. You should respect it. Are you a jealous man? Yes, Spurs are winning titles, but STILL people are talking about Kobe and the Lakers more than the Spurs. You are the first. Face it: Lakers rules the NBA. No matter who wins.
Are u even in America? lol. Just wondering. Youre response was a little ignorant is all. You understand the Lakers happen to be in the largest (other then NY) media market in the country? Of course the spotlight is on them. If the Knicks won only a couple championships in the last 15 years, and were slightly competitive...theyd be on tv every second. You guys seem to mistake who makes the headlines for whos the best team. Making headlines means shit. Would u rather be on the cover of the sports section in the LA Times...or be the NBA Champion? Like someone else here said, the Lakers just have a lot of bullshit drama all the time. How is that something to be proud of? They have a lot of whiners on the court, and a lot of whiners in the stands. Funny thing is, i dont even hate the Lakers lol. Their fans can be REALLY stupid with their lack of actual basketball knowledge, but i dont hate the team. Problem is, Laker fans are SO blind...that when you say something negative about the team...they think you hate the team lol. Stupid huh? If you notice, im probably the only Spurs fan in this thread. But im not the only one defending them. At the same time...whos defending the Lakers? Only Laker fans.
It's funny how you generalize Laker fans...Reminds me kind of how KKK's generalize minorities. Thank God you're not white.
or how u guys generalize anyone who doesnt suck Kobe's dick as a "Laker Hater"?
If you hate on the Lakers, which you've undeniably been doing, what does that make you...?
this is the point. you have a bunch of people who arent Laker fans. Im a Spurs fan...others on here are fans of other teams. Or like 7even, just a fan of basketball. We all share similar opinions of Kobe, but have nothing else in common. You guys, Kobe dicksuckers...all think alike on this. You dont see how its just YOU guys defending him left and right. About everything. Like i said to you before, ive admitted he's good. But not one of you clowns has ever admitted that he needs work in ANY area. If you think he's perfect, just say it...and youd cement your place as the biggest dickrider of them all. Right now, that Speak on It fag has u beat tho
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"Anybody with half a brain knows Kobe is one of the three best all-around players in the league. Personally, I think he's the best." - Sports Illustrated senior writer Jack McCallum
...I can keep going.
just as anyone else could about at least 5 other players in the league. Like i said, i put up a poll after the finales where every single ESPN analyst rated Duncan as the best PF ever. you listed 2 unbiased (non laker fan, non laker related) opinions out of all of those. its not hard to find quotes of people saying things like that. unfortunately, opinions change year to year. Shit, sometimes month to month. People opinions of Kobe at the end of Shaqs championship, were a lot higher then they were at the end of his teams shitty year, and his shitty year basically. Being great for half a career doesnt do shit for u. He might be the leader of a team that squeeks into the playoffs every year, for the rest of his career. So honestly, your little quotes dont prove anything. Keep workin on your argument NIK...youll pick it up eventually.
lol@ you guys bein so blind... :stupid:
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TeeRaySix9Teen what do you mean when you say Laker fans are biased? Spurs are the best team in the league right now, and they acquired two good role players this summer so they are even better than last year. Magic's comparision to the 80's Lakers was meant as a sign of respect to the actual Spurs, who looks as unbeatable as them Lakers. But obviously only the '80 Lakers will remain in the history of the NBA for the great quality of basketball and for their stars, it's pointless to argue it. Those Spurs are a great defensive team, who plays the best team game in the NBA (with the Pistons), and who have the most dominant player in the league (Duncan) and a lot of good players (Horry, Parker, Ginobili) and a great coach. Lakers are a rebuilding team. There's no need to compare the teams now. Oh, and Kobe is arguably the best SG in the game. It's pointless to argue about it too. Now please stop calling "us" biased Kobe dickryders.
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I think Spurs will dominate the NBA for the next 3 years. It's just that they are such a boring team, lol.. Duncan is the by far most boring superstar I can think of in the NBA.
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I think Spurs will dominate the NBA for the next 3 years. It's just that they are such a boring team, lol.. Duncan is the by far most boring superstar I can think of in the NBA.
He does the right thing, in the right way. He's so "European", lol.
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I think Spurs will dominate the NBA for the next 3 years. It's just that they are such a boring team, lol.. Duncan is the by far most boring superstar I can think of in the NBA.
He does the right thing, in the right way. He's so "European", lol.
Yes... succeeding first, showing off last.. very unamerican
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He ain't even American, that's why. ;D
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I do consider him American. U.S. Virgin Islands, plus he went to college there and shit..
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Nobody lives in the past more than Lakers fans...don't expect to compete for a championship anytime soon.
The Spurs and Pistons had very low ratings because they play team ball. They play ball the right way, unfortunately that doesn't sell tickets. Having four Hall of Famers sells tickets. Having a rapist sells tickets. Having more drama on your team than Days of Our Lives sells tickets.
Go ahead dickriders...flame away. But please, before you do, check your replies for spelling and puncuation errors.
Man the fact that you just called Kobe a "rapist" is the perfect proof that you are a Kobe hater. You have problems with Kobe and with people loving and supporting Kobe. Cause really there wasnt no need to call him a rapist, expecially after he "won" the trial and he's a free man. You should respect it. Are you a jealous man? Yes, Spurs are winning titles, but STILL people are talking about Kobe and the Lakers more than the Spurs. You are the first. Face it: Lakers rules the NBA. No matter who wins.
Are u even in America? lol. Just wondering. Youre response was a little ignorant is all. You understand the Lakers happen to be in the largest (other then NY) media market in the country? Of course the spotlight is on them. If the Knicks won only a couple championships in the last 15 years, and were slightly competitive...theyd be on tv every second. You guys seem to mistake who makes the headlines for whos the best team. Making headlines means shit. Would u rather be on the cover of the sports section in the LA Times...or be the NBA Champion? Like someone else here said, the Lakers just have a lot of bullshit drama all the time. How is that something to be proud of? They have a lot of whiners on the court, and a lot of whiners in the stands. Funny thing is, i dont even hate the Lakers lol. Their fans can be REALLY stupid with their lack of actual basketball knowledge, but i dont hate the team. Problem is, Laker fans are SO blind...that when you say something negative about the team...they think you hate the team lol. Stupid huh? If you notice, im probably the only Spurs fan in this thread. But im not the only one defending them. At the same time...whos defending the Lakers? Only Laker fans.
It's funny how you generalize Laker fans...Reminds me kind of how KKK's generalize minorities. Thank God you're not white.
or how u guys generalize anyone who doesnt suck Kobe's dick as a "Laker Hater"?
If you hate on the Lakers, which you've undeniably been doing, what does that make you...?
this is the point. you have a bunch of people who arent Laker fans. Im a Spurs fan...others on here are fans of other teams. Or like 7even, just a fan of basketball. We all share similar opinions of Kobe, but have nothing else in common. You guys, Kobe dicksuckers...all think alike on this. You dont see how its just YOU guys defending him left and right. About everything. Like i said to you before, ive admitted he's good. But not one of you clowns has ever admitted that he needs work in ANY area. If you think he's perfect, just say it...and youd cement your place as the biggest dickrider of them all. Right now, that Speak on It fag has u beat tho
LMAO...Nobody's perfect. That doesn't mean I'm gunna start pin-pointing Kobe flaws while I'm arguing FOR Kobe and not against him. You say I'm a Kobe dickrider because I defend him and don't talk about his flaws. I know if people we're saying LeBron is an overall stronger player than Duncan you'd defend it, and I have yet to hear you mention the wrongs of Tim Duncan...You know what that makes you (according to your logic)...DUNCAN DICKRIDER!
Keep tryin', but you just keep lookin' more and more like a hater...PeACe
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"Anybody with half a brain knows Kobe is one of the three best all-around players in the league. Personally, I think he's the best." - Sports Illustrated senior writer Jack McCallum
...I can keep going.
just as anyone else could about at least 5 other players in the league. Like i said, i put up a poll after the finales where every single ESPN analyst rated Duncan as the best PF ever. you listed 2 unbiased (non laker fan, non laker related) opinions out of all of those. its not hard to find quotes of people saying things like that. unfortunately, opinions change year to year. Shit, sometimes month to month. People opinions of Kobe at the end of Shaqs championship, were a lot higher then they were at the end of his teams shitty year, and his shitty year basically. Being great for half a career doesnt do shit for u. He might be the leader of a team that squeeks into the playoffs every year, for the rest of his career. So honestly, your little quotes dont prove anything. Keep workin on your argument NIK...youll pick it up eventually.
lol@ you guys bein so blind... :stupid:
See, it's a lose-lose situation with you. You ask me to show you where analysts and NBA heads say Kobe is the best, yet when I do you come up with excuses as to why it doesn't justify shit...Stephon Marbury, Baron Davis, Jack McCallum, Ice Cube, and Byron Scott have no affiliation with the Laker orginization. The point is, so many credible heads have claimed Kobe is the best and closest thing to Jordan in the past, definitely more so than any other player...1 bad year doesn't define Kobe's amazing career. If you think one bad year can erase all of the tremendous accomplishment Kobe has under his belt, then you're simply a hater who doesn't like seeing peeps on top...Keep hatin.
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TeeRaySix9Teen what do you mean when you say Laker fans are biased? Spurs are the best team in the league right now, and they acquired two good role players this summer so they are even better than last year. Magic's comparision to the 80's Lakers was meant as a sign of respect to the actual Spurs, who looks as unbeatable as them Lakers. But obviously only the '80 Lakers will remain in the history of the NBA for the great quality of basketball and for their stars, it's pointless to argue it. Those Spurs are a great defensive team, who plays the best team game in the NBA (with the Pistons), and who have the most dominant player in the league (Duncan) and a lot of good players (Horry, Parker, Ginobili) and a great coach. Lakers are a rebuilding team. There's no need to compare the teams now. Oh, and Kobe is arguably the best SG in the game. It's pointless to argue about it too. Now please stop calling "us" biased Kobe dickryders.
im saying biased in THIS argument we're having. Not all laker fans across the country. my point is, when you have like 10 people who all say the same thing about the lakers and kobe...and its negative, but none of them are similiar in who they route for or who they support. at the same time, ONLY the laker fans here keep saying that Kobe is this basketball God...you dont see how one side is clearly making more sense then the other? I would call people fans, when they think a little bit more well rounded about their heroes lol. No ones perfect, and neither is Kobe. But for some reason, none of you will ever blame Kobe for anything that went wrong with the Lakers season last year...yet, will try and give him more credit then deserved when winning championships alongside Shaq.
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Nobody lives in the past more than Lakers fans...don't expect to compete for a championship anytime soon.
The Spurs and Pistons had very low ratings because they play team ball. They play ball the right way, unfortunately that doesn't sell tickets. Having four Hall of Famers sells tickets. Having a rapist sells tickets. Having more drama on your team than Days of Our Lives sells tickets.
Go ahead dickriders...flame away. But please, before you do, check your replies for spelling and puncuation errors.
Man the fact that you just called Kobe a "rapist" is the perfect proof that you are a Kobe hater. You have problems with Kobe and with people loving and supporting Kobe. Cause really there wasnt no need to call him a rapist, expecially after he "won" the trial and he's a free man. You should respect it. Are you a jealous man? Yes, Spurs are winning titles, but STILL people are talking about Kobe and the Lakers more than the Spurs. You are the first. Face it: Lakers rules the NBA. No matter who wins.
Are u even in America? lol. Just wondering. Youre response was a little ignorant is all. You understand the Lakers happen to be in the largest (other then NY) media market in the country? Of course the spotlight is on them. If the Knicks won only a couple championships in the last 15 years, and were slightly competitive...theyd be on tv every second. You guys seem to mistake who makes the headlines for whos the best team. Making headlines means shit. Would u rather be on the cover of the sports section in the LA Times...or be the NBA Champion? Like someone else here said, the Lakers just have a lot of bullshit drama all the time. How is that something to be proud of? They have a lot of whiners on the court, and a lot of whiners in the stands. Funny thing is, i dont even hate the Lakers lol. Their fans can be REALLY stupid with their lack of actual basketball knowledge, but i dont hate the team. Problem is, Laker fans are SO blind...that when you say something negative about the team...they think you hate the team lol. Stupid huh? If you notice, im probably the only Spurs fan in this thread. But im not the only one defending them. At the same time...whos defending the Lakers? Only Laker fans.
It's funny how you generalize Laker fans...Reminds me kind of how KKK's generalize minorities. Thank God you're not white.
or how u guys generalize anyone who doesnt suck Kobe's dick as a "Laker Hater"?
If you hate on the Lakers, which you've undeniably been doing, what does that make you...?
this is the point. you have a bunch of people who arent Laker fans. Im a Spurs fan...others on here are fans of other teams. Or like 7even, just a fan of basketball. We all share similar opinions of Kobe, but have nothing else in common. You guys, Kobe dicksuckers...all think alike on this. You dont see how its just YOU guys defending him left and right. About everything. Like i said to you before, ive admitted he's good. But not one of you clowns has ever admitted that he needs work in ANY area. If you think he's perfect, just say it...and youd cement your place as the biggest dickrider of them all. Right now, that Speak on It fag has u beat tho
LMAO...Nobody's perfect. That doesn't mean I'm gunna start pin-pointing Kobe flaws while I'm arguing FOR Kobe and not against him. You say I'm a Kobe dickrider because I defend him and don't talk about his flaws. I know if people we're saying LeBron is an overall stronger player than Duncan you'd defend it, and I have yet to hear you mention the wrongs of Tim Duncan...You know what that makes you (according to your logic)...DUNCAN DICKRIDER!
Keep tryin', but you just keep lookin' more and more like a hater...PeACe
thing is, these arguments have been ABOUT the Lakers...not the Spurs. In case you hadnt noticed. And like i said, during these arguments ive come out saying Kobe is one of the best players in the league. As much as a "hater" as you think, ive acknowledged his skills. You guys cant step out of your little box for one second to realize how silly you sound tho.
Another thing, Duncan isnt my favorite player in the league lol. I really dont cling to one guy like that. If you want me to name a flaw i see in Duncan, he needs to work on his free throws...there yah go.
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"Anybody with half a brain knows Kobe is one of the three best all-around players in the league. Personally, I think he's the best." - Sports Illustrated senior writer Jack McCallum
...I can keep going.
just as anyone else could about at least 5 other players in the league. Like i said, i put up a poll after the finales where every single ESPN analyst rated Duncan as the best PF ever. you listed 2 unbiased (non laker fan, non laker related) opinions out of all of those. its not hard to find quotes of people saying things like that. unfortunately, opinions change year to year. Shit, sometimes month to month. People opinions of Kobe at the end of Shaqs championship, were a lot higher then they were at the end of his teams shitty year, and his shitty year basically. Being great for half a career doesnt do shit for u. He might be the leader of a team that squeeks into the playoffs every year, for the rest of his career. So honestly, your little quotes dont prove anything. Keep workin on your argument NIK...youll pick it up eventually.
lol@ you guys bein so blind... :stupid:
See, it's a lose-lose situation with you. You ask me to show you where analysts and NBA heads say Kobe is the best, yet when I do you come up with excuses as to why it doesn't justify shit...Stephon Marbury, Baron Davis, Jack McCallum, Ice Cube, and Byron Scott have no affiliation with the Laker orginization. The point is, so many credible heads have claimed Kobe is the best and closest thing to Jordan in the past, definitely more so than any other player...1 bad year doesn't define Kobe's amazing career. If you think one bad year can erase all of the tremendous accomplishment Kobe has under his belt, then you're simply a hater who doesn't like seeing peeps on top...Keep hatin.
keep suckin...
no one is going to consider Kobe the best player in the league starting with this next season. last year was only proof that Kobe rode Shaqs coattails. Ice Cube is seen at damn near every laker game...in case you didnt know, Byron used to play for the lakers. my point is, for every bullshit quote someone can put up saying Kobe is the best player in the league...someone else can put one up saying Duncan is...or Garnett is...etc....etc. All your quotes mean is that you spend more time on here looking up Kobe pictures and information then anyone else would. Congrats homie...
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TeeRaySix9Teen what do you mean when you say Laker fans are biased? Spurs are the best team in the league right now, and they acquired two good role players this summer so they are even better than last year. Magic's comparision to the 80's Lakers was meant as a sign of respect to the actual Spurs, who looks as unbeatable as them Lakers. But obviously only the '80 Lakers will remain in the history of the NBA for the great quality of basketball and for their stars, it's pointless to argue it. Those Spurs are a great defensive team, who plays the best team game in the NBA (with the Pistons), and who have the most dominant player in the league (Duncan) and a lot of good players (Horry, Parker, Ginobili) and a great coach. Lakers are a rebuilding team. There's no need to compare the teams now. Oh, and Kobe is arguably the best SG in the game. It's pointless to argue about it too. Now please stop calling "us" biased Kobe dickryders.
im saying biased in THIS argument we're having. Not all laker fans across the country. my point is, when you have like 10 people who all say the same thing about the lakers and kobe...and its negative, but none of them are similiar in who they route for or who they support. at the same time, ONLY the laker fans here keep saying that Kobe is this basketball God...you dont see how one side is clearly making more sense then the other? I would call people fans, when they think a little bit more well rounded about their heroes lol. No ones perfect, and neither is Kobe. But for some reason, none of you will ever blame Kobe for anything that went wrong with the Lakers season last year...yet, will try and give him more credit then deserved when winning championships alongside Shaq.
Maybe it's because we've seen the Lakers more than people who only watch the NBA because of LeBron.. ::)
Last year Lakers sucked not because of Kobe, but because of a lot of things:
- a lack of defence on the perimeter: Atkins, T.Brown and Vujacic are clearly the worse defensive PG in the league. Kobe was named like half of a dozen time in the All NBA Defensive team, so.. i think i aint a dickryder if i state he's a good defender.
- a lack of depth in the bench: you go nowhere when Walton, Cook and Medvedenko are your secret weapons from the bench, lol.
- a lot of injuries: Kobe, Odom and Butler missed like 15-20 games, Grant wasted a year in his career, Divac too, George didnt play for 3/4 of the season, Malone retired, even the coach, Rudy T., retired. You go nowhere with a scenario like this one, expecially if it's already pretty hard for the team to reach the Play Offs in full effect.
- the lack of coaching: Rudy T. failed. That's it. Lakers played half of the season shooting more 3pts than FT's. And they had one of the worse defense in the whole NBA. Hamblen aint even a coach, so i'll not even waste my time talking about him.
- a psicological collapse: in the last 20 games Lakers pratically didnt play at all, loosing 95% of them. Once they went out of the Play Offs spots, they collapsed. Kobe didnt help, i can give you that, but it's stupid to blame everything on him. He was the leader, but he got injured too, so it was impossible to do more.
- a lack of big men: when Mihm is your starting center and Cook is the first option from the bench you got problem.
- Odom playing out of position: he's a point forward, not a power forward.
I can go on and on with the reasons..
You Lakers haters will just reply with stupid things like "Kobe got exposed", or "Kobe aint shit without Shaq" and "Kobe is a ballhog", etc.. I think things went in a different way, and i just explained you why. Don't call me a biased fan, cause i'm not. I see games. I see the problems. I recognize the problems. Last year, Kobe's performances in and off the court were the last problem Lakers had.
This year things changed:
- McKie, Smush Parker and eventually Spree are three good defensive players. An incredible big step from last year.
- the bench looks better now, with George back in full effect, with one between Spree and McKie, and with JJ who made a great season last year. It still aint deep enought, imho. But it's looking better then last year for sure.
- Phil Jackson, arguably the best coach in the NBA, is back in town. Plus we signed B.Shaw (the future head coach) and Kareem. And Tex Winter will back too.
- psycologically Phil is the best guy to give the Lakers credibility: just look at the Free Agency! Derek Anderson said he was affascinated by playing for Phil and his triangle. Same did Antonio Daniels. Same did Aaron McKie. Same did Spree's agent. Credibility.
- we acquired Kwame Brown and we selected #10 Andrew Bynum. Two guys we didnt have last season, and who are a big improvement over Cook and Medvedenko. Plus Turiaf is imo a good defender, a Mark Madsen type of player every team needs. We looks better this year, very better. We aint ok yet, but it's better than last year.
- Odom will play the triangle: the best system possible, for him. And he's the best player in the league for the system.
That's why i'm pretty optimistic about next year.
It's simple.. if next year we will sux, then it's official: let's blame Kobe! If things will go better, i say it's because of those things. Kobe dickryders will say it's only because of Kobe. Lakers haters will say it's only because of Phil.
That's how i feel about it.
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TeeRaySix9Teen what do you mean when you say Laker fans are biased? Spurs are the best team in the league right now, and they acquired two good role players this summer so they are even better than last year. Magic's comparision to the 80's Lakers was meant as a sign of respect to the actual Spurs, who looks as unbeatable as them Lakers. But obviously only the '80 Lakers will remain in the history of the NBA for the great quality of basketball and for their stars, it's pointless to argue it. Those Spurs are a great defensive team, who plays the best team game in the NBA (with the Pistons), and who have the most dominant player in the league (Duncan) and a lot of good players (Horry, Parker, Ginobili) and a great coach. Lakers are a rebuilding team. There's no need to compare the teams now. Oh, and Kobe is arguably the best SG in the game. It's pointless to argue about it too. Now please stop calling "us" biased Kobe dickryders.
im saying biased in THIS argument we're having. Not all laker fans across the country. my point is, when you have like 10 people who all say the same thing about the lakers and kobe...and its negative, but none of them are similiar in who they route for or who they support. at the same time, ONLY the laker fans here keep saying that Kobe is this basketball God...you dont see how one side is clearly making more sense then the other? I would call people fans, when they think a little bit more well rounded about their heroes lol. No ones perfect, and neither is Kobe. But for some reason, none of you will ever blame Kobe for anything that went wrong with the Lakers season last year...yet, will try and give him more credit then deserved when winning championships alongside Shaq.
Maybe it's because we've seen the Lakers more than people who only watch the NBA because of LeBron.. ::)
Last year Lakers sucked not because of Kobe, but because of a lot of things:
- a lack of defence on the perimeter: Atkins, T.Brown and Vujacic are clearly the worse defensive PG in the league. Kobe was named like half of a dozen time in the All NBA Defensive team, so.. i think i aint a dickryder if i state he's a good defender.
- a lack of depth in the bench: you go nowhere when Walton, Cook and Medvedenko are your secret weapons from the bench, lol.
- a lot of injuries: Kobe, Odom and Butler missed like 15-20 games, Grant wasted a year in his career, Divac too, George didnt play for 3/4 of the season, Malone retired, even the coach, Rudy T., retired. You go nowhere with a scenario like this one, expecially if it's already pretty hard for the team to reach the Play Offs in full effect.
- the lack of coaching: Rudy T. failed. That's it. Lakers played half of the season shooting more 3pts than FT's. And they had one of the worse defense in the whole NBA. Hamblen aint even a coach, so i'll not even waste my time talking about him.
- a psicological collapse: in the last 20 games Lakers pratically didnt play at all, loosing 95% of them. Once they went out of the Play Offs spots, they collapsed. Kobe didnt help, i can give you that, but it's stupid to blame everything on him. He was the leader, but he got injured too, so it was impossible to do more.
- a lack of big men: when Mihm is your starting center and Cook is the first option from the bench you got problem.
- Odom playing out of position: he's a point forward, not a power forward.
I can go on and on with the reasons..
You Lakers haters will just reply with stupid things like "Kobe got exposed", or "Kobe aint shit without Shaq" and "Kobe is a ballhog", etc.. I think things went in a different way, and i just explained you why. Don't call me a biased fan, cause i'm not. I see games. I see the problems. I recognize the problems. Last year, Kobe's performances in and off the court were the last problem Lakers had.
This year things changed:
- McKie, Smush Parker and eventually Spree are three good defensive players. An incredible big step from last year.
- the bench looks better now, with George back in full effect, with one between Spree and McKie, and with JJ who made a great season last year. It still aint deep enought, imho. But it's looking better then last year for sure.
- Phil Jackson, arguably the best coach in the NBA, is back in town. Plus we signed B.Shaw (the future head coach) and Kareem. And Tex Winter will back too.
- psycologically Phil is the best guy to give the Lakers credibility: just look at the Free Agency! Derek Anderson said he was affascinated by playing for Phil and his triangle. Same did Antonio Daniels. Same did Aaron McKie. Same did Spree's agent. Credibility.
- we acquired Kwame Brown and we selected #10 Andrew Bynum. Two guys we didnt have last season, and who are a big improvement over Cook and Medvedenko. Plus Turiaf is imo a good defender, a Mark Madsen type of player every team needs. We looks better this year, very better. We aint ok yet, but it's better than last year.
- Odom will play the triangle: the best system possible, for him. And he's the best player in the league for the system.
That's why i'm pretty optimistic about next year.
It's simple.. if next year we will sux, then it's official: let's blame Kobe! If things will go better, i say it's because of those things. Kobe dickryders will say it's only because of Kobe. Lakers haters will say it's only because of Phil.
That's how i feel about it.
question is, how many people on here arguing with you do u think are Lebron fans? Im not at all. He's good, his game is good. But i still wouldnt watch a Cleveland game unless it was the only game on tv lol. So what does that have to do with anything? Im a Spurs fan, so i have no bias in a Kobe/Lebron argument. I could really careless about either one of em. But you see, that others...who dont cheer for Lebron OR Kobe feel. We seem to side with Lebron. Those siding with Kobe on here, Kobe fans. How can you not notice that?
As far as next year, i agree...you guys will be better. I dont think a lot of people on here think differently. Will you guys win a championship? No. But youll be better then last year. My problem with you dickriders is that you dont EVER want to admit that maybe...just maybe, Kobe was part of the problem last year. If you guys had a decent season, it would have been "all praise to Kobe!". But with a shitty season its "Kobe had no help". Pick one, he's either the man on your team...or not. The man gets the credit in a win, and the blame in a loss. Accept it. HE is the so called team leader, and he lead his team to the second best record in LA. In the "Lebron argument", the ONLY argument any kobe dickrider made in his defense is that he's accomplished so much more then Lebron. What has that been exactly? Championships. You guys discount Lebron as being equal to Kobe right now, because he didnt lead his team to the playoffs last year....well, newsflash! Neither did Kobe. This is why you guys sound ridiculous. Its about seeing things with a little deeper perspective then just "Kobe's #1!!" Im the one that said before, i wish the Lakers were good again. I wish they were at the top, with us. I like the rivalry. There are no real GOOD rivalries in the west as of right now. I guess ill just have to settle with championships until you guys sort your issues out ;D
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question is, how many people on here arguing with you do u think are Lebron fans? Im not at all. He's good, his game is good. But i still wouldnt watch a Cleveland game unless it was the only game on tv lol. So what does that have to do with anything? Im a Spurs fan, so i have no bias in a Kobe/Lebron argument. I could really careless about either one of em. But you see, that others...who dont cheer for Lebron OR Kobe feel. We seem to side with Lebron. Those siding with Kobe on here, Kobe fans. How can you not notice that?
I do. And it's cool. I dont change my opinion based on what other people thinks about the subject. I prefeer Kobe because it's 8 years i'm watching him playing, and i know what he can bring on the table. LeBron is another fantastic player, and MVP type of player. But i'm still supporting Kobe more, CAUSE i'm a Laker fan. I'm not here saying LeBron sux and Kobe is God. Both are on the same level, but Kobe did more (obviously) in the past PLUS he's a Laker. So i'm with him. It's like comparing Maradona with Pelè. It's not a blasphemy if you say Pelè was better. Feel me? They are on the same level. Then you choose one because of multiple (personal) reasons.
As far as next year, i agree...you guys will be better. I dont think a lot of people on here think differently. Will you guys win a championship? No. But youll be better then last year. My problem with you dickriders is that you dont EVER want to admit that maybe...just maybe, Kobe was part of the problem last year. If you guys had a decent season, it would have been "all praise to Kobe!". But with a shitty season its "Kobe had no help". Pick one, he's either the man on your team...or not. The man gets the credit in a win, and the blame in a loss. Accept it. HE is the so called team leader, and he lead his team to the second best record in LA.
Every player in the league playing in them Lakers -> worse season of his career. Kobe had his worse season of his career, imo. But it's not ONLY because of himself. It's ALSO because of the team. He aint no Shaq who can dominate the game. He's a SG. He NEEDS other player to win. Is it clear enought now?
In the "Lebron argument", the ONLY argument any kobe dickrider made in his defense is that he's accomplished so much more then Lebron. What has that been exactly? Championships. You guys discount Lebron as being equal to Kobe right now, because he didnt lead his team to the playoffs last year....well, newsflash! Neither did Kobe. This is why you guys sound ridiculous. Its about seeing things with a little deeper perspective then just "Kobe's #1!!" Im the one that said before, i wish the Lakers were good again. I wish they were at the top, with us. I like the rivalry. There are no real GOOD rivalries in the west as of right now. I guess ill just have to settle with championships until you guys sort your issues out ;D
The problem with LeBron is that the media made him an All-Star MVP calyber player BEFORE HE JOINED THE NBA! So he have to prove - like the without-Shaq Kobe - he's really "that" good. He's in the same exact position as Kobe.
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"Anybody with half a brain knows Kobe is one of the three best all-around players in the league. Personally, I think he's the best." - Sports Illustrated senior writer Jack McCallum
...I can keep going.
just as anyone else could about at least 5 other players in the league. Like i said, i put up a poll after the finales where every single ESPN analyst rated Duncan as the best PF ever. you listed 2 unbiased (non laker fan, non laker related) opinions out of all of those. its not hard to find quotes of people saying things like that. unfortunately, opinions change year to year. Shit, sometimes month to month. People opinions of Kobe at the end of Shaqs championship, were a lot higher then they were at the end of his teams shitty year, and his shitty year basically. Being great for half a career doesnt do shit for u. He might be the leader of a team that squeeks into the playoffs every year, for the rest of his career. So honestly, your little quotes dont prove anything. Keep workin on your argument NIK...youll pick it up eventually.
lol@ you guys bein so blind... :stupid:
See, it's a lose-lose situation with you. You ask me to show you where analysts and NBA heads say Kobe is the best, yet when I do you come up with excuses as to why it doesn't justify shit...Stephon Marbury, Baron Davis, Jack McCallum, Ice Cube, and Byron Scott have no affiliation with the Laker orginization. The point is, so many credible heads have claimed Kobe is the best and closest thing to Jordan in the past, definitely more so than any other player...1 bad year doesn't define Kobe's amazing career. If you think one bad year can erase all of the tremendous accomplishment Kobe has under his belt, then you're simply a hater who doesn't like seeing peeps on top...Keep hatin.
keep suckin...
no one is going to consider Kobe the best player in the league starting with this next season. last year was only proof that Kobe rode Shaqs coattails. Ice Cube is seen at damn near every laker game...in case you didnt know, Byron used to play for the lakers. my point is, for every bullshit quote someone can put up saying Kobe is the best player in the league...someone else can put one up saying Duncan is...or Garnett is...etc....etc. All your quotes mean is that you spend more time on here looking up Kobe pictures and information then anyone else would. Congrats homie...
LMAO@No one is going to consider Kobe the best? Well, who'll be considered best? LeBron? Sorry, but LeBron didn't even get picked as a 2006 postseason MVP award candidate...You know who made the list though? You'll never guess.
Top candidates: Baron Davis, Kobe Bryant, T-Mac, Amare Stoudemire.
Your problem is that you lie too much. Like claiming that only Laker fans say Kobe is the best. But it's all good, I can see why you feel the need. You have nothing else...
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TeeRaySix9Teen what do you mean when you say Laker fans are biased? Spurs are the best team in the league right now, and they acquired two good role players this summer so they are even better than last year. Magic's comparision to the 80's Lakers was meant as a sign of respect to the actual Spurs, who looks as unbeatable as them Lakers. But obviously only the '80 Lakers will remain in the history of the NBA for the great quality of basketball and for their stars, it's pointless to argue it. Those Spurs are a great defensive team, who plays the best team game in the NBA (with the Pistons), and who have the most dominant player in the league (Duncan) and a lot of good players (Horry, Parker, Ginobili) and a great coach. Lakers are a rebuilding team. There's no need to compare the teams now. Oh, and Kobe is arguably the best SG in the game. It's pointless to argue about it too. Now please stop calling "us" biased Kobe dickryders.
im saying biased in THIS argument we're having. Not all laker fans across the country. my point is, when you have like 10 people who all say the same thing about the lakers and kobe...and its negative, but none of them are similiar in who they route for or who they support. at the same time, ONLY the laker fans here keep saying that Kobe is this basketball God...you dont see how one side is clearly making more sense then the other? I would call people fans, when they think a little bit more well rounded about their heroes lol. No ones perfect, and neither is Kobe. But for some reason, none of you will ever blame Kobe for anything that went wrong with the Lakers season last year...yet, will try and give him more credit then deserved when winning championships alongside Shaq.
Maybe it's because we've seen the Lakers more than people who only watch the NBA because of LeBron.. ::)
Last year Lakers sucked not because of Kobe, but because of a lot of things:
- a lack of defence on the perimeter: Atkins, T.Brown and Vujacic are clearly the worse defensive PG in the league. Kobe was named like half of a dozen time in the All NBA Defensive team, so.. i think i aint a dickryder if i state he's a good defender.
- a lack of depth in the bench: you go nowhere when Walton, Cook and Medvedenko are your secret weapons from the bench, lol.
- a lot of injuries: Kobe, Odom and Butler missed like 15-20 games, Grant wasted a year in his career, Divac too, George didnt play for 3/4 of the season, Malone retired, even the coach, Rudy T., retired. You go nowhere with a scenario like this one, expecially if it's already pretty hard for the team to reach the Play Offs in full effect.
- the lack of coaching: Rudy T. failed. That's it. Lakers played half of the season shooting more 3pts than FT's. And they had one of the worse defense in the whole NBA. Hamblen aint even a coach, so i'll not even waste my time talking about him.
- a psicological collapse: in the last 20 games Lakers pratically didnt play at all, loosing 95% of them. Once they went out of the Play Offs spots, they collapsed. Kobe didnt help, i can give you that, but it's stupid to blame everything on him. He was the leader, but he got injured too, so it was impossible to do more.
- a lack of big men: when Mihm is your starting center and Cook is the first option from the bench you got problem.
- Odom playing out of position: he's a point forward, not a power forward.
I can go on and on with the reasons..
You Lakers haters will just reply with stupid things like "Kobe got exposed", or "Kobe aint shit without Shaq" and "Kobe is a ballhog", etc.. I think things went in a different way, and i just explained you why. Don't call me a biased fan, cause i'm not. I see games. I see the problems. I recognize the problems. Last year, Kobe's performances in and off the court were the last problem Lakers had.
This year things changed:
- McKie, Smush Parker and eventually Spree are three good defensive players. An incredible big step from last year.
- the bench looks better now, with George back in full effect, with one between Spree and McKie, and with JJ who made a great season last year. It still aint deep enought, imho. But it's looking better then last year for sure.
- Phil Jackson, arguably the best coach in the NBA, is back in town. Plus we signed B.Shaw (the future head coach) and Kareem. And Tex Winter will back too.
- psycologically Phil is the best guy to give the Lakers credibility: just look at the Free Agency! Derek Anderson said he was affascinated by playing for Phil and his triangle. Same did Antonio Daniels. Same did Aaron McKie. Same did Spree's agent. Credibility.
- we acquired Kwame Brown and we selected #10 Andrew Bynum. Two guys we didnt have last season, and who are a big improvement over Cook and Medvedenko. Plus Turiaf is imo a good defender, a Mark Madsen type of player every team needs. We looks better this year, very better. We aint ok yet, but it's better than last year.
- Odom will play the triangle: the best system possible, for him. And he's the best player in the league for the system.
That's why i'm pretty optimistic about next year.
It's simple.. if next year we will sux, then it's official: let's blame Kobe! If things will go better, i say it's because of those things. Kobe dickryders will say it's only because of Kobe. Lakers haters will say it's only because of Phil.
That's how i feel about it.
question is, how many people on here arguing with you do u think are Lebron fans? Im not at all. He's good, his game is good. But i still wouldnt watch a Cleveland game unless it was the only game on tv lol. So what does that have to do with anything? Im a Spurs fan, so i have no bias in a Kobe/Lebron argument. I could really careless about either one of em. But you see, that others...who dont cheer for Lebron OR Kobe feel. We seem to side with Lebron. Those siding with Kobe on here, Kobe fans. How can you not notice that?
As far as next year, i agree...you guys will be better. I dont think a lot of people on here think differently. Will you guys win a championship? No. But youll be better then last year. My problem with you dickriders is that you dont EVER want to admit that maybe...just maybe, Kobe was part of the problem last year. If you guys had a decent season, it would have been "all praise to Kobe!". But with a shitty season its "Kobe had no help". Pick one, he's either the man on your team...or not. The man gets the credit in a win, and the blame in a loss. Accept it. HE is the so called team leader, and he lead his team to the second best record in LA. In the "Lebron argument", the ONLY argument any kobe dickrider made in his defense is that he's accomplished so much more then Lebron. What has that been exactly? Championships. You guys discount Lebron as being equal to Kobe right now, because he didnt lead his team to the playoffs last year....well, newsflash! Neither did Kobe. This is why you guys sound ridiculous. Its about seeing things with a little deeper perspective then just "Kobe's #1!!" Im the one that said before, i wish the Lakers were good again. I wish they were at the top, with us. I like the rivalry. There are no real GOOD rivalries in the west as of right now. I guess ill just have to settle with championships until you guys sort your issues out ;D
Let me ask you an honest question. How many players in the league do you honestly think would have led the Lakers to the playoffs being placed in Kobe's exact situation last season...I'd say about...Ummm...Zero.
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The thing i can't stand about this dude is that he wanna blame Kobe for the last season - and it's ok, it's an opinion. I got different opinions, and i've written them, but if he thinks the franchise player is the one to blame if his team sucks, then it's ok, i'm with it - but he ain't doing the same with LeBron, who didnt reach the Play Offs for the 2nd straight season in the East Coast. LeBron = great future, great team player, great leader, great motivator. Kobe = ballhog, overrated, not-a-leader, etc.. The reason? Last season. So if the reason is "last season" what about LeBron? LeBron got two "last season"(s). Why he's so "beautiful" if he failed exactly like Kobe? C'mon man. LeBron got overplayed by Vince Carter!!!!!!
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question is, how many people on here arguing with you do u think are Lebron fans? Im not at all. He's good, his game is good. But i still wouldnt watch a Cleveland game unless it was the only game on tv lol. So what does that have to do with anything? Im a Spurs fan, so i have no bias in a Kobe/Lebron argument. I could really careless about either one of em. But you see, that others...who dont cheer for Lebron OR Kobe feel. We seem to side with Lebron. Those siding with Kobe on here, Kobe fans. How can you not notice that?
I do. And it's cool. I dont change my opinion based on what other people thinks about the subject. I prefeer Kobe because it's 8 years i'm watching him playing, and i know what he can bring on the table. LeBron is another fantastic player, and MVP type of player. But i'm still supporting Kobe more, CAUSE i'm a Laker fan. I'm not here saying LeBron sux and Kobe is God. Both are on the same level, but Kobe did more (obviously) in the past PLUS he's a Laker. So i'm with him. It's like comparing Maradona with Pelè. It's not a blasphemy if you say Pelè was better. Feel me? They are on the same level. Then you choose one because of multiple (personal) reasons.
As far as next year, i agree...you guys will be better. I dont think a lot of people on here think differently. Will you guys win a championship? No. But youll be better then last year. My problem with you dickriders is that you dont EVER want to admit that maybe...just maybe, Kobe was part of the problem last year. If you guys had a decent season, it would have been "all praise to Kobe!". But with a shitty season its "Kobe had no help". Pick one, he's either the man on your team...or not. The man gets the credit in a win, and the blame in a loss. Accept it. HE is the so called team leader, and he lead his team to the second best record in LA.
Every player in the league playing in them Lakers -> worse season of his career. Kobe had his worse season of his career, imo. But it's not ONLY because of himself. It's ALSO because of the team. He aint no Shaq who can dominate the game. He's a SG. He NEEDS other player to win. Is it clear enought now?
In the "Lebron argument", the ONLY argument any kobe dickrider made in his defense is that he's accomplished so much more then Lebron. What has that been exactly? Championships. You guys discount Lebron as being equal to Kobe right now, because he didnt lead his team to the playoffs last year....well, newsflash! Neither did Kobe. This is why you guys sound ridiculous. Its about seeing things with a little deeper perspective then just "Kobe's #1!!" Im the one that said before, i wish the Lakers were good again. I wish they were at the top, with us. I like the rivalry. There are no real GOOD rivalries in the west as of right now. I guess ill just have to settle with championships until you guys sort your issues out ;D
The problem with LeBron is that the media made him an All-Star MVP calyber player BEFORE HE JOINED THE NBA! So he have to prove - like the without-Shaq Kobe - he's really "that" good. He's in the same exact position as Kobe.
i didnt say it was ONLY Kobe's fault, read back through the posts. But the way you guys make yourselves look is, your more Kobe fans then Laker fans. Why jock another man so much? What im sayin is, the Lakers had a very bad year last year...and until you FINALLY admitted Kobe contributed to the bad year....none of you would say it or admit it. THAT is what makes you look like dickriders. Obviously, the whole team is responsible. But last time i checked, Kobe is part of the team. There isnt this....Kobe won, the rest of the team lost. They all lost. My problem is just that. Like i said, if the team had a good season...you guys wouldnt run on here and give the "supporting cast" the credit, youd give Kobe the credit for being the team leader. But when they lost...no one on here wanted to admit that he was the "team leader", and a part of the losing. It was as much his fault as it was anyone else on that team. You guys need to quit putting him above the Lakers...and you wont look like dickriders.
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The problem with LeBron is that the media made him an All-Star MVP calyber player BEFORE HE JOINED THE NBA! So he have to prove - like the without-Shaq Kobe - he's really "that" good. He's in the same exact position as Kobe.
which is the reason i picked Lebron over Kobe. They are in the same exact position except Lebron was considered an MVP candidate last year...and Lebron has only played a couple years. The experiences Kobe is finally going through now...after how many years in the league...Lebron goes through in his second year.
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TeeRaySix9Teen what do you mean when you say Laker fans are biased? Spurs are the best team in the league right now, and they acquired two good role players this summer so they are even better than last year. Magic's comparision to the 80's Lakers was meant as a sign of respect to the actual Spurs, who looks as unbeatable as them Lakers. But obviously only the '80 Lakers will remain in the history of the NBA for the great quality of basketball and for their stars, it's pointless to argue it. Those Spurs are a great defensive team, who plays the best team game in the NBA (with the Pistons), and who have the most dominant player in the league (Duncan) and a lot of good players (Horry, Parker, Ginobili) and a great coach. Lakers are a rebuilding team. There's no need to compare the teams now. Oh, and Kobe is arguably the best SG in the game. It's pointless to argue about it too. Now please stop calling "us" biased Kobe dickryders.
im saying biased in THIS argument we're having. Not all laker fans across the country. my point is, when you have like 10 people who all say the same thing about the lakers and kobe...and its negative, but none of them are similiar in who they route for or who they support. at the same time, ONLY the laker fans here keep saying that Kobe is this basketball God...you dont see how one side is clearly making more sense then the other? I would call people fans, when they think a little bit more well rounded about their heroes lol. No ones perfect, and neither is Kobe. But for some reason, none of you will ever blame Kobe for anything that went wrong with the Lakers season last year...yet, will try and give him more credit then deserved when winning championships alongside Shaq.
Maybe it's because we've seen the Lakers more than people who only watch the NBA because of LeBron.. ::)
Last year Lakers sucked not because of Kobe, but because of a lot of things:
- a lack of defence on the perimeter: Atkins, T.Brown and Vujacic are clearly the worse defensive PG in the league. Kobe was named like half of a dozen time in the All NBA Defensive team, so.. i think i aint a dickryder if i state he's a good defender.
- a lack of depth in the bench: you go nowhere when Walton, Cook and Medvedenko are your secret weapons from the bench, lol.
- a lot of injuries: Kobe, Odom and Butler missed like 15-20 games, Grant wasted a year in his career, Divac too, George didnt play for 3/4 of the season, Malone retired, even the coach, Rudy T., retired. You go nowhere with a scenario like this one, expecially if it's already pretty hard for the team to reach the Play Offs in full effect.
- the lack of coaching: Rudy T. failed. That's it. Lakers played half of the season shooting more 3pts than FT's. And they had one of the worse defense in the whole NBA. Hamblen aint even a coach, so i'll not even waste my time talking about him.
- a psicological collapse: in the last 20 games Lakers pratically didnt play at all, loosing 95% of them. Once they went out of the Play Offs spots, they collapsed. Kobe didnt help, i can give you that, but it's stupid to blame everything on him. He was the leader, but he got injured too, so it was impossible to do more.
- a lack of big men: when Mihm is your starting center and Cook is the first option from the bench you got problem.
- Odom playing out of position: he's a point forward, not a power forward.
I can go on and on with the reasons..
You Lakers haters will just reply with stupid things like "Kobe got exposed", or "Kobe aint shit without Shaq" and "Kobe is a ballhog", etc.. I think things went in a different way, and i just explained you why. Don't call me a biased fan, cause i'm not. I see games. I see the problems. I recognize the problems. Last year, Kobe's performances in and off the court were the last problem Lakers had.
This year things changed:
- McKie, Smush Parker and eventually Spree are three good defensive players. An incredible big step from last year.
- the bench looks better now, with George back in full effect, with one between Spree and McKie, and with JJ who made a great season last year. It still aint deep enought, imho. But it's looking better then last year for sure.
- Phil Jackson, arguably the best coach in the NBA, is back in town. Plus we signed B.Shaw (the future head coach) and Kareem. And Tex Winter will back too.
- psycologically Phil is the best guy to give the Lakers credibility: just look at the Free Agency! Derek Anderson said he was affascinated by playing for Phil and his triangle. Same did Antonio Daniels. Same did Aaron McKie. Same did Spree's agent. Credibility.
- we acquired Kwame Brown and we selected #10 Andrew Bynum. Two guys we didnt have last season, and who are a big improvement over Cook and Medvedenko. Plus Turiaf is imo a good defender, a Mark Madsen type of player every team needs. We looks better this year, very better. We aint ok yet, but it's better than last year.
- Odom will play the triangle: the best system possible, for him. And he's the best player in the league for the system.
That's why i'm pretty optimistic about next year.
It's simple.. if next year we will sux, then it's official: let's blame Kobe! If things will go better, i say it's because of those things. Kobe dickryders will say it's only because of Kobe. Lakers haters will say it's only because of Phil.
That's how i feel about it.
question is, how many people on here arguing with you do u think are Lebron fans? Im not at all. He's good, his game is good. But i still wouldnt watch a Cleveland game unless it was the only game on tv lol. So what does that have to do with anything? Im a Spurs fan, so i have no bias in a Kobe/Lebron argument. I could really careless about either one of em. But you see, that others...who dont cheer for Lebron OR Kobe feel. We seem to side with Lebron. Those siding with Kobe on here, Kobe fans. How can you not notice that?
As far as next year, i agree...you guys will be better. I dont think a lot of people on here think differently. Will you guys win a championship? No. But youll be better then last year. My problem with you dickriders is that you dont EVER want to admit that maybe...just maybe, Kobe was part of the problem last year. If you guys had a decent season, it would have been "all praise to Kobe!". But with a shitty season its "Kobe had no help". Pick one, he's either the man on your team...or not. The man gets the credit in a win, and the blame in a loss. Accept it. HE is the so called team leader, and he lead his team to the second best record in LA. In the "Lebron argument", the ONLY argument any kobe dickrider made in his defense is that he's accomplished so much more then Lebron. What has that been exactly? Championships. You guys discount Lebron as being equal to Kobe right now, because he didnt lead his team to the playoffs last year....well, newsflash! Neither did Kobe. This is why you guys sound ridiculous. Its about seeing things with a little deeper perspective then just "Kobe's #1!!" Im the one that said before, i wish the Lakers were good again. I wish they were at the top, with us. I like the rivalry. There are no real GOOD rivalries in the west as of right now. I guess ill just have to settle with championships until you guys sort your issues out ;D
Let me ask you an honest question. How many players in the league do you honestly think would have led the Lakers to the playoffs being placed in Kobe's exact situation last season...I'd say about...Ummm...Zero.
This is where you guys look like hypocrits. When we compared Lebron and Kobe we said that there was obviously no way Kobe could have done what Lebron did in his first year or two. Kobe couldnt even come of the bench and be consistent...let alone lead a team. You guys said there was no way to know what Kobe would have done if he was needed to lead a team like Lebron did because we'd just be guessing. Now...you want to GUESS that no player put in Kobe's position last year could lead them to the playoffs lol. Pick a side and stick with it NIK. As for your question, i dont know who could have lead them to the playoffs. Id say theres a few bigmen that could have based on the attention a bigman draws and the ability to get other plays involved. Id say Iverson has lead some pretty shitty teams to the playoffs. So who knows. But whats the point in goin back and forth on that? You think Kobe is God...obviously there is no one above God in your mind. Maybe all of your guys Kobe related topics should be posted in TOT. lol
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"Anybody with half a brain knows Kobe is one of the three best all-around players in the league. Personally, I think he's the best." - Sports Illustrated senior writer Jack McCallum
...I can keep going.
just as anyone else could about at least 5 other players in the league. Like i said, i put up a poll after the finales where every single ESPN analyst rated Duncan as the best PF ever. you listed 2 unbiased (non laker fan, non laker related) opinions out of all of those. its not hard to find quotes of people saying things like that. unfortunately, opinions change year to year. Shit, sometimes month to month. People opinions of Kobe at the end of Shaqs championship, were a lot higher then they were at the end of his teams shitty year, and his shitty year basically. Being great for half a career doesnt do shit for u. He might be the leader of a team that squeeks into the playoffs every year, for the rest of his career. So honestly, your little quotes dont prove anything. Keep workin on your argument NIK...youll pick it up eventually.
lol@ you guys bein so blind... :stupid:
See, it's a lose-lose situation with you. You ask me to show you where analysts and NBA heads say Kobe is the best, yet when I do you come up with excuses as to why it doesn't justify shit...Stephon Marbury, Baron Davis, Jack McCallum, Ice Cube, and Byron Scott have no affiliation with the Laker orginization. The point is, so many credible heads have claimed Kobe is the best and closest thing to Jordan in the past, definitely more so than any other player...1 bad year doesn't define Kobe's amazing career. If you think one bad year can erase all of the tremendous accomplishment Kobe has under his belt, then you're simply a hater who doesn't like seeing peeps on top...Keep hatin.
keep suckin...
no one is going to consider Kobe the best player in the league starting with this next season. last year was only proof that Kobe rode Shaqs coattails. Ice Cube is seen at damn near every laker game...in case you didnt know, Byron used to play for the lakers. my point is, for every bullshit quote someone can put up saying Kobe is the best player in the league...someone else can put one up saying Duncan is...or Garnett is...etc....etc. All your quotes mean is that you spend more time on here looking up Kobe pictures and information then anyone else would. Congrats homie...
LMAO@No one is going to consider Kobe the best? Well, who'll be considered best? LeBron? Sorry, but LeBron didn't even get picked as a 2006 postseason MVP award candidate...You know who made the list though? You'll never guess.
Top candidates: Baron Davis, Kobe Bryant, T-Mac, Amare Stoudemire.
Your problem is that you lie too much. Like claiming that only Laker fans say Kobe is the best. But it's all good, I can see why you feel the need. You have nothing else...
i didnt say only laker fans claim he is the best lol. dont make stupid comments man. Im saying, on this board its only you dickriders who are claimin that. as far as real life, you guys are just a little bit out of touch with his place in the league right now. Kobe was on a high during the championships. A lot of attention on him...and they were winning. However, there was probably more attention on him last year...with no Shaq. The team sucked and Kobe didnt impress a lot of people, analysts included. He's in a year where he has to prove himself...but for some retarded reason you guys dont see that. He doesnt have to improve that he's good...he has to prove that he's a leader, and that he can win when he's the man. He HAS NOT PROVED IT YET. Maybe he will, maybe he wont next year. But you guys want to act like last year can just be erased from the records because you didnt like the squad you had.
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The thing i can't stand about this dude is that he wanna blame Kobe for the last season - and it's ok, it's an opinion. I got different opinions, and i've written them, but if he thinks the franchise player is the one to blame if his team sucks, then it's ok, i'm with it - but he ain't doing the same with LeBron, who didnt reach the Play Offs for the 2nd straight season in the East Coast. LeBron = great future, great team player, great leader, great motivator. Kobe = ballhog, overrated, not-a-leader, etc.. The reason? Last season. So if the reason is "last season" what about LeBron? LeBron got two "last season"(s). Why he's so "beautiful" if he failed exactly like Kobe? C'mon man. LeBron got overplayed by Vince Carter!!!!!!
First, for the record (like ive said before)..i dont think Lebron is BETTER then Kobe right now. I said his future is far brighter IMO. This is VERY....VERY simple. The fact that you even feel the need to defend Kobe against Lebron...and say they had the same types of positives and negatives last year...is what proves that Lebron is ahead of Kobe. We're talking careerwise. How can you not notice that Kobe, for the first time last year had to learn how to lead a team on his own. Lebron...the same thing. Lebron...2 years in the league. Kobe...a fuckin veteran. Youre right, they both failed the same at leading their teams past just being average. Glad someone is admitting a failure by the God Kobe Bryant.
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i didnt say it was ONLY Kobe's fault, read back through the posts. But the way you guys make yourselves look is, your more Kobe fans then Laker fans. Why jock another man so much? What im sayin is, the Lakers had a very bad year last year...and until you FINALLY admitted Kobe contributed to the bad year....none of you would say it or admit it. THAT is what makes you look like dickriders. Obviously, the whole team is responsible. But last time i checked, Kobe is part of the team. There isnt this....Kobe won, the rest of the team lost. They all lost. My problem is just that. Like i said, if the team had a good season...you guys wouldnt run on here and give the "supporting cast" the credit, youd give Kobe the credit for being the team leader. But when they lost...no one on here wanted to admit that he was the "team leader", and a part of the losing. It was as much his fault as it was anyone else on that team. You guys need to quit putting him above the Lakers...and you wont look like dickriders.
Dont talk about me if you dont know me. I've always showed nuthing but love for our supporting cast. I'm the one who've had a Fisher avatar, a George avatar, and my heroes are Horry (my fav player in the 3peat Lakers), Harper, Shaw (i've a photo with him) and Fox. I loved them all, from Lue to Shaq. The Lakers won 3 rings and a half because of Phil Jackson + Shaq + Kobe + all the supporting cast. Last year, Lakers missed Phil Jackson + Shaq + all that supporting cast. It was just Kobe and a bunch of guys who werent even coached. Too easy to collapse that i cant blame nobody. I'm giving Kobe another chance to prove me he can lead the team with Phil and a better supporting cast, this year. Last year it was been just a wasted year in Kobe's career and in Lakers history. Kobe didnt do miracles. But he aint a Saint. He's human.
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which is the reason i picked Lebron over Kobe. They are in the same exact position except Lebron was considered an MVP candidate last year...and Lebron has only played a couple years. The experiences Kobe is finally going through now...after how many years in the league...Lebron goes through in his second year.
What about the experience of winning 3 NBA titles?
What about the experience of playing 110+ NBA playoffs games?
LOL.
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question is, how many people on here arguing with you do u think are Lebron fans? Im not at all. He's good, his game is good. But i still wouldnt watch a Cleveland game unless it was the only game on tv lol. So what does that have to do with anything? Im a Spurs fan, so i have no bias in a Kobe/Lebron argument. I could really careless about either one of em. But you see, that others...who dont cheer for Lebron OR Kobe feel. We seem to side with Lebron. Those siding with Kobe on here, Kobe fans. How can you not notice that?
I do. And it's cool. I dont change my opinion based on what other people thinks about the subject. I prefeer Kobe because it's 8 years i'm watching him playing, and i know what he can bring on the table. LeBron is another fantastic player, and MVP type of player. But i'm still supporting Kobe more, CAUSE i'm a Laker fan. I'm not here saying LeBron sux and Kobe is God. Both are on the same level, but Kobe did more (obviously) in the past PLUS he's a Laker. So i'm with him. It's like comparing Maradona with Pelè. It's not a blasphemy if you say Pelè was better. Feel me? They are on the same level. Then you choose one because of multiple (personal) reasons.
As far as next year, i agree...you guys will be better. I dont think a lot of people on here think differently. Will you guys win a championship? No. But youll be better then last year. My problem with you dickriders is that you dont EVER want to admit that maybe...just maybe, Kobe was part of the problem last year. If you guys had a decent season, it would have been "all praise to Kobe!". But with a shitty season its "Kobe had no help". Pick one, he's either the man on your team...or not. The man gets the credit in a win, and the blame in a loss. Accept it. HE is the so called team leader, and he lead his team to the second best record in LA.
Every player in the league playing in them Lakers -> worse season of his career. Kobe had his worse season of his career, imo. But it's not ONLY because of himself. It's ALSO because of the team. He aint no Shaq who can dominate the game. He's a SG. He NEEDS other player to win. Is it clear enought now?
In the "Lebron argument", the ONLY argument any kobe dickrider made in his defense is that he's accomplished so much more then Lebron. What has that been exactly? Championships. You guys discount Lebron as being equal to Kobe right now, because he didnt lead his team to the playoffs last year....well, newsflash! Neither did Kobe. This is why you guys sound ridiculous. Its about seeing things with a little deeper perspective then just "Kobe's #1!!" Im the one that said before, i wish the Lakers were good again. I wish they were at the top, with us. I like the rivalry. There are no real GOOD rivalries in the west as of right now. I guess ill just have to settle with championships until you guys sort your issues out ;D
The problem with LeBron is that the media made him an All-Star MVP calyber player BEFORE HE JOINED THE NBA! So he have to prove - like the without-Shaq Kobe - he's really "that" good. He's in the same exact position as Kobe.
i didnt say it was ONLY Kobe's fault, read back through the posts. But the way you guys make yourselves look is, your more Kobe fans then Laker fans. Why jock another man so much? What im sayin is, the Lakers had a very bad year last year...and until you FINALLY admitted Kobe contributed to the bad year....none of you would say it or admit it. THAT is what makes you look like dickriders. Obviously, the whole team is responsible. But last time i checked, Kobe is part of the team. There isnt this....Kobe won, the rest of the team lost. They all lost. My problem is just that. Like i said, if the team had a good season...you guys wouldnt run on here and give the "supporting cast" the credit, youd give Kobe the credit for being the team leader. But when they lost...no one on here wanted to admit that he was the "team leader", and a part of the losing. It was as much his fault as it was anyone else on that team. You guys need to quit putting him above the Lakers...and you wont look like dickriders.
More lies...Come season time, I always analyze every Laker player and how they contribute to the Lakers success (or failure). Last season was a disaster, I don't blame Kobe because no player in the world would have made a solid season out of what Kobe was dealt...PeACe
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The problem with LeBron is that the media made him an All-Star MVP calyber player BEFORE HE JOINED THE NBA! So he have to prove - like the without-Shaq Kobe - he's really "that" good. He's in the same exact position as Kobe.
which is the reason i picked Lebron over Kobe. They are in the same exact position except Lebron was considered an MVP candidate last year...and Lebron has only played a couple years. The experiences Kobe is finally going through now...after how many years in the league...Lebron goes through in his second year.
LMAO...More dumb comments. Vince Carter was MVP candidate in his second season, along with Penny Hardaway and Grant Hill. Please refrain from using invalid arguments.
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TeeRaySix9Teen what do you mean when you say Laker fans are biased? Spurs are the best team in the league right now, and they acquired two good role players this summer so they are even better than last year. Magic's comparision to the 80's Lakers was meant as a sign of respect to the actual Spurs, who looks as unbeatable as them Lakers. But obviously only the '80 Lakers will remain in the history of the NBA for the great quality of basketball and for their stars, it's pointless to argue it. Those Spurs are a great defensive team, who plays the best team game in the NBA (with the Pistons), and who have the most dominant player in the league (Duncan) and a lot of good players (Horry, Parker, Ginobili) and a great coach. Lakers are a rebuilding team. There's no need to compare the teams now. Oh, and Kobe is arguably the best SG in the game. It's pointless to argue about it too. Now please stop calling "us" biased Kobe dickryders.
im saying biased in THIS argument we're having. Not all laker fans across the country. my point is, when you have like 10 people who all say the same thing about the lakers and kobe...and its negative, but none of them are similiar in who they route for or who they support. at the same time, ONLY the laker fans here keep saying that Kobe is this basketball God...you dont see how one side is clearly making more sense then the other? I would call people fans, when they think a little bit more well rounded about their heroes lol. No ones perfect, and neither is Kobe. But for some reason, none of you will ever blame Kobe for anything that went wrong with the Lakers season last year...yet, will try and give him more credit then deserved when winning championships alongside Shaq.
Maybe it's because we've seen the Lakers more than people who only watch the NBA because of LeBron.. ::)
Last year Lakers sucked not because of Kobe, but because of a lot of things:
- a lack of defence on the perimeter: Atkins, T.Brown and Vujacic are clearly the worse defensive PG in the league. Kobe was named like half of a dozen time in the All NBA Defensive team, so.. i think i aint a dickryder if i state he's a good defender.
- a lack of depth in the bench: you go nowhere when Walton, Cook and Medvedenko are your secret weapons from the bench, lol.
- a lot of injuries: Kobe, Odom and Butler missed like 15-20 games, Grant wasted a year in his career, Divac too, George didnt play for 3/4 of the season, Malone retired, even the coach, Rudy T., retired. You go nowhere with a scenario like this one, expecially if it's already pretty hard for the team to reach the Play Offs in full effect.
- the lack of coaching: Rudy T. failed. That's it. Lakers played half of the season shooting more 3pts than FT's. And they had one of the worse defense in the whole NBA. Hamblen aint even a coach, so i'll not even waste my time talking about him.
- a psicological collapse: in the last 20 games Lakers pratically didnt play at all, loosing 95% of them. Once they went out of the Play Offs spots, they collapsed. Kobe didnt help, i can give you that, but it's stupid to blame everything on him. He was the leader, but he got injured too, so it was impossible to do more.
- a lack of big men: when Mihm is your starting center and Cook is the first option from the bench you got problem.
- Odom playing out of position: he's a point forward, not a power forward.
I can go on and on with the reasons..
You Lakers haters will just reply with stupid things like "Kobe got exposed", or "Kobe aint shit without Shaq" and "Kobe is a ballhog", etc.. I think things went in a different way, and i just explained you why. Don't call me a biased fan, cause i'm not. I see games. I see the problems. I recognize the problems. Last year, Kobe's performances in and off the court were the last problem Lakers had.
This year things changed:
- McKie, Smush Parker and eventually Spree are three good defensive players. An incredible big step from last year.
- the bench looks better now, with George back in full effect, with one between Spree and McKie, and with JJ who made a great season last year. It still aint deep enought, imho. But it's looking better then last year for sure.
- Phil Jackson, arguably the best coach in the NBA, is back in town. Plus we signed B.Shaw (the future head coach) and Kareem. And Tex Winter will back too.
- psycologically Phil is the best guy to give the Lakers credibility: just look at the Free Agency! Derek Anderson said he was affascinated by playing for Phil and his triangle. Same did Antonio Daniels. Same did Aaron McKie. Same did Spree's agent. Credibility.
- we acquired Kwame Brown and we selected #10 Andrew Bynum. Two guys we didnt have last season, and who are a big improvement over Cook and Medvedenko. Plus Turiaf is imo a good defender, a Mark Madsen type of player every team needs. We looks better this year, very better. We aint ok yet, but it's better than last year.
- Odom will play the triangle: the best system possible, for him. And he's the best player in the league for the system.
That's why i'm pretty optimistic about next year.
It's simple.. if next year we will sux, then it's official: let's blame Kobe! If things will go better, i say it's because of those things. Kobe dickryders will say it's only because of Kobe. Lakers haters will say it's only because of Phil.
That's how i feel about it.
question is, how many people on here arguing with you do u think are Lebron fans? Im not at all. He's good, his game is good. But i still wouldnt watch a Cleveland game unless it was the only game on tv lol. So what does that have to do with anything? Im a Spurs fan, so i have no bias in a Kobe/Lebron argument. I could really careless about either one of em. But you see, that others...who dont cheer for Lebron OR Kobe feel. We seem to side with Lebron. Those siding with Kobe on here, Kobe fans. How can you not notice that?
As far as next year, i agree...you guys will be better. I dont think a lot of people on here think differently. Will you guys win a championship? No. But youll be better then last year. My problem with you dickriders is that you dont EVER want to admit that maybe...just maybe, Kobe was part of the problem last year. If you guys had a decent season, it would have been "all praise to Kobe!". But with a shitty season its "Kobe had no help". Pick one, he's either the man on your team...or not. The man gets the credit in a win, and the blame in a loss. Accept it. HE is the so called team leader, and he lead his team to the second best record in LA. In the "Lebron argument", the ONLY argument any kobe dickrider made in his defense is that he's accomplished so much more then Lebron. What has that been exactly? Championships. You guys discount Lebron as being equal to Kobe right now, because he didnt lead his team to the playoffs last year....well, newsflash! Neither did Kobe. This is why you guys sound ridiculous. Its about seeing things with a little deeper perspective then just "Kobe's #1!!" Im the one that said before, i wish the Lakers were good again. I wish they were at the top, with us. I like the rivalry. There are no real GOOD rivalries in the west as of right now. I guess ill just have to settle with championships until you guys sort your issues out ;D
Let me ask you an honest question. How many players in the league do you honestly think would have led the Lakers to the playoffs being placed in Kobe's exact situation last season...I'd say about...Ummm...Zero.
This is where you guys look like hypocrits. When we compared Lebron and Kobe we said that there was obviously no way Kobe could have done what Lebron did in his first year or two. Kobe couldnt even come of the bench and be consistent...let alone lead a team. You guys said there was no way to know what Kobe would have done if he was needed to lead a team like Lebron did because we'd just be guessing. Now...you want to GUESS that no player put in Kobe's position last year could lead them to the playoffs lol. Pick a side and stick with it NIK. As for your question, i dont know who could have lead them to the playoffs. Id say theres a few bigmen that could have based on the attention a bigman draws and the ability to get other plays involved. Id say Iverson has lead some pretty shitty teams to the playoffs. So who knows. But whats the point in goin back and forth on that? You think Kobe is God...obviously there is no one above God in your mind. Maybe all of your guys Kobe related topics should be posted in TOT. lol
Damn, what's with you and lying? Is that the only way to make yourself seem somewhat credible? I don't thik Kobe is God, I think Kobe is the best baller in the league...Stop repeating the same shit when you have nothing to say...PeACe
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i didnt say it was ONLY Kobe's fault, read back through the posts. But the way you guys make yourselves look is, your more Kobe fans then Laker fans. Why jock another man so much? What im sayin is, the Lakers had a very bad year last year...and until you FINALLY admitted Kobe contributed to the bad year....none of you would say it or admit it. THAT is what makes you look like dickriders. Obviously, the whole team is responsible. But last time i checked, Kobe is part of the team. There isnt this....Kobe won, the rest of the team lost. They all lost. My problem is just that. Like i said, if the team had a good season...you guys wouldnt run on here and give the "supporting cast" the credit, youd give Kobe the credit for being the team leader. But when they lost...no one on here wanted to admit that he was the "team leader", and a part of the losing. It was as much his fault as it was anyone else on that team. You guys need to quit putting him above the Lakers...and you wont look like dickriders.
Dont talk about me if you dont know me. I've always showed nuthing but love for our supporting cast. I'm the one who've had a Fisher avatar, a George avatar, and my heroes are Horry (my fav player in the 3peat Lakers), Harper, Shaw (i've a photo with him) and Fox. I loved them all, from Lue to Shaq. The Lakers won 3 rings and a half because of Phil Jackson + Shaq + Kobe + all the supporting cast. Last year, Lakers missed Phil Jackson + Shaq + all that supporting cast. It was just Kobe and a bunch of guys who werent even coached. Too easy to collapse that i cant blame nobody. I'm giving Kobe another chance to prove me he can lead the team with Phil and a better supporting cast, this year. Last year it was been just a wasted year in Kobe's career and in Lakers history. Kobe didnt do miracles. But he aint a Saint. He's human.
lol championships come in whole numbers man....its either 3....or 4. they won 3.
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which is the reason i picked Lebron over Kobe. They are in the same exact position except Lebron was considered an MVP candidate last year...and Lebron has only played a couple years. The experiences Kobe is finally going through now...after how many years in the league...Lebron goes through in his second year.
What about the experience of winning 3 NBA titles?
What about the experience of playing 110+ NBA playoffs games?
LOL.
how many titles did Kobe win by his second season? How many has he won without the man claimed by YOU GUYS as the most dominant player ever? obviously those were great experiences for Kobe, but he didnt experience them as the teams leader. NOW, he is finally the "leader"...as is Lebron. Only difference, the age...so Lebron is doing it earlier
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question is, how many people on here arguing with you do u think are Lebron fans? Im not at all. He's good, his game is good. But i still wouldnt watch a Cleveland game unless it was the only game on tv lol. So what does that have to do with anything? Im a Spurs fan, so i have no bias in a Kobe/Lebron argument. I could really careless about either one of em. But you see, that others...who dont cheer for Lebron OR Kobe feel. We seem to side with Lebron. Those siding with Kobe on here, Kobe fans. How can you not notice that?
I do. And it's cool. I dont change my opinion based on what other people thinks about the subject. I prefeer Kobe because it's 8 years i'm watching him playing, and i know what he can bring on the table. LeBron is another fantastic player, and MVP type of player. But i'm still supporting Kobe more, CAUSE i'm a Laker fan. I'm not here saying LeBron sux and Kobe is God. Both are on the same level, but Kobe did more (obviously) in the past PLUS he's a Laker. So i'm with him. It's like comparing Maradona with Pelè. It's not a blasphemy if you say Pelè was better. Feel me? They are on the same level. Then you choose one because of multiple (personal) reasons.
As far as next year, i agree...you guys will be better. I dont think a lot of people on here think differently. Will you guys win a championship? No. But youll be better then last year. My problem with you dickriders is that you dont EVER want to admit that maybe...just maybe, Kobe was part of the problem last year. If you guys had a decent season, it would have been "all praise to Kobe!". But with a shitty season its "Kobe had no help". Pick one, he's either the man on your team...or not. The man gets the credit in a win, and the blame in a loss. Accept it. HE is the so called team leader, and he lead his team to the second best record in LA.
Every player in the league playing in them Lakers -> worse season of his career. Kobe had his worse season of his career, imo. But it's not ONLY because of himself. It's ALSO because of the team. He aint no Shaq who can dominate the game. He's a SG. He NEEDS other player to win. Is it clear enought now?
In the "Lebron argument", the ONLY argument any kobe dickrider made in his defense is that he's accomplished so much more then Lebron. What has that been exactly? Championships. You guys discount Lebron as being equal to Kobe right now, because he didnt lead his team to the playoffs last year....well, newsflash! Neither did Kobe. This is why you guys sound ridiculous. Its about seeing things with a little deeper perspective then just "Kobe's #1!!" Im the one that said before, i wish the Lakers were good again. I wish they were at the top, with us. I like the rivalry. There are no real GOOD rivalries in the west as of right now. I guess ill just have to settle with championships until you guys sort your issues out ;D
The problem with LeBron is that the media made him an All-Star MVP calyber player BEFORE HE JOINED THE NBA! So he have to prove - like the without-Shaq Kobe - he's really "that" good. He's in the same exact position as Kobe.
i didnt say it was ONLY Kobe's fault, read back through the posts. But the way you guys make yourselves look is, your more Kobe fans then Laker fans. Why jock another man so much? What im sayin is, the Lakers had a very bad year last year...and until you FINALLY admitted Kobe contributed to the bad year....none of you would say it or admit it. THAT is what makes you look like dickriders. Obviously, the whole team is responsible. But last time i checked, Kobe is part of the team. There isnt this....Kobe won, the rest of the team lost. They all lost. My problem is just that. Like i said, if the team had a good season...you guys wouldnt run on here and give the "supporting cast" the credit, youd give Kobe the credit for being the team leader. But when they lost...no one on here wanted to admit that he was the "team leader", and a part of the losing. It was as much his fault as it was anyone else on that team. You guys need to quit putting him above the Lakers...and you wont look like dickriders.
More lies...Come season time, I always analyze every Laker player and how they contribute to the Lakers success (or failure). Last season was a disaster, I don't blame Kobe because no player in the world would have made a solid season out of what Kobe was dealt...PeACe
you guys are so slow lol. So...in your eyes, Kobe is bigger then the Lakers. I have a different mentality then you guys i guess. IMO, you win together...you lose together. The Lakers either ALL win...or they ALL lose. No exceptions. I would hope that Kobe understands that more then you guys do.
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The problem with LeBron is that the media made him an All-Star MVP calyber player BEFORE HE JOINED THE NBA! So he have to prove - like the without-Shaq Kobe - he's really "that" good. He's in the same exact position as Kobe.
which is the reason i picked Lebron over Kobe. They are in the same exact position except Lebron was considered an MVP candidate last year...and Lebron has only played a couple years. The experiences Kobe is finally going through now...after how many years in the league...Lebron goes through in his second year.
LMAO...More dumb comments. Vince Carter was MVP candidate in his second season, along with Penny Hardaway and Grant Hill. Please refrain from using invalid arguments.
Last time i checked, i didnt compare Carter, Hardaway, or Hill to anyone in this argument. Try to stay on track here. If there was an "invalid argument" its you bringin up those three.
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TeeRaySix9Teen what do you mean when you say Laker fans are biased? Spurs are the best team in the league right now, and they acquired two good role players this summer so they are even better than last year. Magic's comparision to the 80's Lakers was meant as a sign of respect to the actual Spurs, who looks as unbeatable as them Lakers. But obviously only the '80 Lakers will remain in the history of the NBA for the great quality of basketball and for their stars, it's pointless to argue it. Those Spurs are a great defensive team, who plays the best team game in the NBA (with the Pistons), and who have the most dominant player in the league (Duncan) and a lot of good players (Horry, Parker, Ginobili) and a great coach. Lakers are a rebuilding team. There's no need to compare the teams now. Oh, and Kobe is arguably the best SG in the game. It's pointless to argue about it too. Now please stop calling "us" biased Kobe dickryders.
im saying biased in THIS argument we're having. Not all laker fans across the country. my point is, when you have like 10 people who all say the same thing about the lakers and kobe...and its negative, but none of them are similiar in who they route for or who they support. at the same time, ONLY the laker fans here keep saying that Kobe is this basketball God...you dont see how one side is clearly making more sense then the other? I would call people fans, when they think a little bit more well rounded about their heroes lol. No ones perfect, and neither is Kobe. But for some reason, none of you will ever blame Kobe for anything that went wrong with the Lakers season last year...yet, will try and give him more credit then deserved when winning championships alongside Shaq.
Maybe it's because we've seen the Lakers more than people who only watch the NBA because of LeBron.. ::)
Last year Lakers sucked not because of Kobe, but because of a lot of things:
- a lack of defence on the perimeter: Atkins, T.Brown and Vujacic are clearly the worse defensive PG in the league. Kobe was named like half of a dozen time in the All NBA Defensive team, so.. i think i aint a dickryder if i state he's a good defender.
- a lack of depth in the bench: you go nowhere when Walton, Cook and Medvedenko are your secret weapons from the bench, lol.
- a lot of injuries: Kobe, Odom and Butler missed like 15-20 games, Grant wasted a year in his career, Divac too, George didnt play for 3/4 of the season, Malone retired, even the coach, Rudy T., retired. You go nowhere with a scenario like this one, expecially if it's already pretty hard for the team to reach the Play Offs in full effect.
- the lack of coaching: Rudy T. failed. That's it. Lakers played half of the season shooting more 3pts than FT's. And they had one of the worse defense in the whole NBA. Hamblen aint even a coach, so i'll not even waste my time talking about him.
- a psicological collapse: in the last 20 games Lakers pratically didnt play at all, loosing 95% of them. Once they went out of the Play Offs spots, they collapsed. Kobe didnt help, i can give you that, but it's stupid to blame everything on him. He was the leader, but he got injured too, so it was impossible to do more.
- a lack of big men: when Mihm is your starting center and Cook is the first option from the bench you got problem.
- Odom playing out of position: he's a point forward, not a power forward.
I can go on and on with the reasons..
You Lakers haters will just reply with stupid things like "Kobe got exposed", or "Kobe aint shit without Shaq" and "Kobe is a ballhog", etc.. I think things went in a different way, and i just explained you why. Don't call me a biased fan, cause i'm not. I see games. I see the problems. I recognize the problems. Last year, Kobe's performances in and off the court were the last problem Lakers had.
This year things changed:
- McKie, Smush Parker and eventually Spree are three good defensive players. An incredible big step from last year.
- the bench looks better now, with George back in full effect, with one between Spree and McKie, and with JJ who made a great season last year. It still aint deep enought, imho. But it's looking better then last year for sure.
- Phil Jackson, arguably the best coach in the NBA, is back in town. Plus we signed B.Shaw (the future head coach) and Kareem. And Tex Winter will back too.
- psycologically Phil is the best guy to give the Lakers credibility: just look at the Free Agency! Derek Anderson said he was affascinated by playing for Phil and his triangle. Same did Antonio Daniels. Same did Aaron McKie. Same did Spree's agent. Credibility.
- we acquired Kwame Brown and we selected #10 Andrew Bynum. Two guys we didnt have last season, and who are a big improvement over Cook and Medvedenko. Plus Turiaf is imo a good defender, a Mark Madsen type of player every team needs. We looks better this year, very better. We aint ok yet, but it's better than last year.
- Odom will play the triangle: the best system possible, for him. And he's the best player in the league for the system.
That's why i'm pretty optimistic about next year.
It's simple.. if next year we will sux, then it's official: let's blame Kobe! If things will go better, i say it's because of those things. Kobe dickryders will say it's only because of Kobe. Lakers haters will say it's only because of Phil.
That's how i feel about it.
question is, how many people on here arguing with you do u think are Lebron fans? Im not at all. He's good, his game is good. But i still wouldnt watch a Cleveland game unless it was the only game on tv lol. So what does that have to do with anything? Im a Spurs fan, so i have no bias in a Kobe/Lebron argument. I could really careless about either one of em. But you see, that others...who dont cheer for Lebron OR Kobe feel. We seem to side with Lebron. Those siding with Kobe on here, Kobe fans. How can you not notice that?
As far as next year, i agree...you guys will be better. I dont think a lot of people on here think differently. Will you guys win a championship? No. But youll be better then last year. My problem with you dickriders is that you dont EVER want to admit that maybe...just maybe, Kobe was part of the problem last year. If you guys had a decent season, it would have been "all praise to Kobe!". But with a shitty season its "Kobe had no help". Pick one, he's either the man on your team...or not. The man gets the credit in a win, and the blame in a loss. Accept it. HE is the so called team leader, and he lead his team to the second best record in LA. In the "Lebron argument", the ONLY argument any kobe dickrider made in his defense is that he's accomplished so much more then Lebron. What has that been exactly? Championships. You guys discount Lebron as being equal to Kobe right now, because he didnt lead his team to the playoffs last year....well, newsflash! Neither did Kobe. This is why you guys sound ridiculous. Its about seeing things with a little deeper perspective then just "Kobe's #1!!" Im the one that said before, i wish the Lakers were good again. I wish they were at the top, with us. I like the rivalry. There are no real GOOD rivalries in the west as of right now. I guess ill just have to settle with championships until you guys sort your issues out ;D
Let me ask you an honest question. How many players in the league do you honestly think would have led the Lakers to the playoffs being placed in Kobe's exact situation last season...I'd say about...Ummm...Zero.
This is where you guys look like hypocrits. When we compared Lebron and Kobe we said that there was obviously no way Kobe could have done what Lebron did in his first year or two. Kobe couldnt even come of the bench and be consistent...let alone lead a team. You guys said there was no way to know what Kobe would have done if he was needed to lead a team like Lebron did because we'd just be guessing. Now...you want to GUESS that no player put in Kobe's position last year could lead them to the playoffs lol. Pick a side and stick with it NIK. As for your question, i dont know who could have lead them to the playoffs. Id say theres a few bigmen that could have based on the attention a bigman draws and the ability to get other plays involved. Id say Iverson has lead some pretty shitty teams to the playoffs. So who knows. But whats the point in goin back and forth on that? You think Kobe is God...obviously there is no one above God in your mind. Maybe all of your guys Kobe related topics should be posted in TOT. lol
Damn, what's with you and lying? Is that the only way to make yourself seem somewhat credible? I don't thik Kobe is God, I think Kobe is the best baller in the league...Stop repeating the same shit when you have nothing to say...PeACe
Figure it out retard lol. You guys act like he's God....for you guys, he must be. Or youre just in love, one of two. Kobe could rape your mom tomorrow...and he'd still be your favorite player in the world. You love him...deal with it. I dont understand the attachment really...but he, its a free country....do whatcha do man. In case you havent already gotten this, this argument is gettin really stale. Like i said, its like arguin evolution to a bunch of twisted religious nuts. Either way it goes...hope you guys improve next year to actually makin the playoffs so we can see exactly HOW fast San Antonio can sweep your ass ;D
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which is the reason i picked Lebron over Kobe. They are in the same exact position except Lebron was considered an MVP candidate last year...and Lebron has only played a couple years. The experiences Kobe is finally going through now...after how many years in the league...Lebron goes through in his second year.
What about the experience of winning 3 NBA titles?
What about the experience of playing 110+ NBA playoffs games?
LOL.
how many titles did Kobe win by his second season? How many has he won without the man claimed by YOU GUYS as the most dominant player ever? obviously those were great experiences for Kobe, but he didnt experience them as the teams leader. NOW, he is finally the "leader"...as is Lebron. Only difference, the age...so Lebron is doing it earlier
LMAO. Earlier? Okafor was the "leader" of Charlotte since he got drafted. I guess he's at the same level of Kobe too? You have no point. Put a 25 years old Shaq in the Cavs and LeBron will be supporting cast to Shaq. Get it. Face it. Out.
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question is, how many people on here arguing with you do u think are Lebron fans? Im not at all. He's good, his game is good. But i still wouldnt watch a Cleveland game unless it was the only game on tv lol. So what does that have to do with anything? Im a Spurs fan, so i have no bias in a Kobe/Lebron argument. I could really careless about either one of em. But you see, that others...who dont cheer for Lebron OR Kobe feel. We seem to side with Lebron. Those siding with Kobe on here, Kobe fans. How can you not notice that?
I do. And it's cool. I dont change my opinion based on what other people thinks about the subject. I prefeer Kobe because it's 8 years i'm watching him playing, and i know what he can bring on the table. LeBron is another fantastic player, and MVP type of player. But i'm still supporting Kobe more, CAUSE i'm a Laker fan. I'm not here saying LeBron sux and Kobe is God. Both are on the same level, but Kobe did more (obviously) in the past PLUS he's a Laker. So i'm with him. It's like comparing Maradona with Pelè. It's not a blasphemy if you say Pelè was better. Feel me? They are on the same level. Then you choose one because of multiple (personal) reasons.
As far as next year, i agree...you guys will be better. I dont think a lot of people on here think differently. Will you guys win a championship? No. But youll be better then last year. My problem with you dickriders is that you dont EVER want to admit that maybe...just maybe, Kobe was part of the problem last year. If you guys had a decent season, it would have been "all praise to Kobe!". But with a shitty season its "Kobe had no help". Pick one, he's either the man on your team...or not. The man gets the credit in a win, and the blame in a loss. Accept it. HE is the so called team leader, and he lead his team to the second best record in LA.
Every player in the league playing in them Lakers -> worse season of his career. Kobe had his worse season of his career, imo. But it's not ONLY because of himself. It's ALSO because of the team. He aint no Shaq who can dominate the game. He's a SG. He NEEDS other player to win. Is it clear enought now?
In the "Lebron argument", the ONLY argument any kobe dickrider made in his defense is that he's accomplished so much more then Lebron. What has that been exactly? Championships. You guys discount Lebron as being equal to Kobe right now, because he didnt lead his team to the playoffs last year....well, newsflash! Neither did Kobe. This is why you guys sound ridiculous. Its about seeing things with a little deeper perspective then just "Kobe's #1!!" Im the one that said before, i wish the Lakers were good again. I wish they were at the top, with us. I like the rivalry. There are no real GOOD rivalries in the west as of right now. I guess ill just have to settle with championships until you guys sort your issues out ;D
The problem with LeBron is that the media made him an All-Star MVP calyber player BEFORE HE JOINED THE NBA! So he have to prove - like the without-Shaq Kobe - he's really "that" good. He's in the same exact position as Kobe.
i didnt say it was ONLY Kobe's fault, read back through the posts. But the way you guys make yourselves look is, your more Kobe fans then Laker fans. Why jock another man so much? What im sayin is, the Lakers had a very bad year last year...and until you FINALLY admitted Kobe contributed to the bad year....none of you would say it or admit it. THAT is what makes you look like dickriders. Obviously, the whole team is responsible. But last time i checked, Kobe is part of the team. There isnt this....Kobe won, the rest of the team lost. They all lost. My problem is just that. Like i said, if the team had a good season...you guys wouldnt run on here and give the "supporting cast" the credit, youd give Kobe the credit for being the team leader. But when they lost...no one on here wanted to admit that he was the "team leader", and a part of the losing. It was as much his fault as it was anyone else on that team. You guys need to quit putting him above the Lakers...and you wont look like dickriders.
More lies...Come season time, I always analyze every Laker player and how they contribute to the Lakers success (or failure). Last season was a disaster, I don't blame Kobe because no player in the world would have made a solid season out of what Kobe was dealt...PeACe
you guys are so slow lol. So...in your eyes, Kobe is bigger then the Lakers. I have a different mentality then you guys i guess. IMO, you win together...you lose together. The Lakers either ALL win...or they ALL lose. No exceptions. I would hope that Kobe understands that more then you guys do.
That has nothing to do with what I said... :coffee:
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The problem with LeBron is that the media made him an All-Star MVP calyber player BEFORE HE JOINED THE NBA! So he have to prove - like the without-Shaq Kobe - he's really "that" good. He's in the same exact position as Kobe.
which is the reason i picked Lebron over Kobe. They are in the same exact position except Lebron was considered an MVP candidate last year...and Lebron has only played a couple years. The experiences Kobe is finally going through now...after how many years in the league...Lebron goes through in his second year.
LMAO...More dumb comments. Vince Carter was MVP candidate in his second season, along with Penny Hardaway and Grant Hill. Please refrain from using invalid arguments.
Last time i checked, i didnt compare Carter, Hardaway, or Hill to anyone in this argument. Try to stay on track here. If there was an "invalid argument" its you bringin up those three.
You're saying LeBron is better than Kobe because he was an MVP caliber player by his second year...I named you 3 players who were in the same situation as LeBron, but are bnot even 50 greatest material...I've completely discredited what you said. Understand now?
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TeeRaySix9Teen what do you mean when you say Laker fans are biased? Spurs are the best team in the league right now, and they acquired two good role players this summer so they are even better than last year. Magic's comparision to the 80's Lakers was meant as a sign of respect to the actual Spurs, who looks as unbeatable as them Lakers. But obviously only the '80 Lakers will remain in the history of the NBA for the great quality of basketball and for their stars, it's pointless to argue it. Those Spurs are a great defensive team, who plays the best team game in the NBA (with the Pistons), and who have the most dominant player in the league (Duncan) and a lot of good players (Horry, Parker, Ginobili) and a great coach. Lakers are a rebuilding team. There's no need to compare the teams now. Oh, and Kobe is arguably the best SG in the game. It's pointless to argue about it too. Now please stop calling "us" biased Kobe dickryders.
im saying biased in THIS argument we're having. Not all laker fans across the country. my point is, when you have like 10 people who all say the same thing about the lakers and kobe...and its negative, but none of them are similiar in who they route for or who they support. at the same time, ONLY the laker fans here keep saying that Kobe is this basketball God...you dont see how one side is clearly making more sense then the other? I would call people fans, when they think a little bit more well rounded about their heroes lol. No ones perfect, and neither is Kobe. But for some reason, none of you will ever blame Kobe for anything that went wrong with the Lakers season last year...yet, will try and give him more credit then deserved when winning championships alongside Shaq.
Maybe it's because we've seen the Lakers more than people who only watch the NBA because of LeBron.. ::)
Last year Lakers sucked not because of Kobe, but because of a lot of things:
- a lack of defence on the perimeter: Atkins, T.Brown and Vujacic are clearly the worse defensive PG in the league. Kobe was named like half of a dozen time in the All NBA Defensive team, so.. i think i aint a dickryder if i state he's a good defender.
- a lack of depth in the bench: you go nowhere when Walton, Cook and Medvedenko are your secret weapons from the bench, lol.
- a lot of injuries: Kobe, Odom and Butler missed like 15-20 games, Grant wasted a year in his career, Divac too, George didnt play for 3/4 of the season, Malone retired, even the coach, Rudy T., retired. You go nowhere with a scenario like this one, expecially if it's already pretty hard for the team to reach the Play Offs in full effect.
- the lack of coaching: Rudy T. failed. That's it. Lakers played half of the season shooting more 3pts than FT's. And they had one of the worse defense in the whole NBA. Hamblen aint even a coach, so i'll not even waste my time talking about him.
- a psicological collapse: in the last 20 games Lakers pratically didnt play at all, loosing 95% of them. Once they went out of the Play Offs spots, they collapsed. Kobe didnt help, i can give you that, but it's stupid to blame everything on him. He was the leader, but he got injured too, so it was impossible to do more.
- a lack of big men: when Mihm is your starting center and Cook is the first option from the bench you got problem.
- Odom playing out of position: he's a point forward, not a power forward.
I can go on and on with the reasons..
You Lakers haters will just reply with stupid things like "Kobe got exposed", or "Kobe aint shit without Shaq" and "Kobe is a ballhog", etc.. I think things went in a different way, and i just explained you why. Don't call me a biased fan, cause i'm not. I see games. I see the problems. I recognize the problems. Last year, Kobe's performances in and off the court were the last problem Lakers had.
This year things changed:
- McKie, Smush Parker and eventually Spree are three good defensive players. An incredible big step from last year.
- the bench looks better now, with George back in full effect, with one between Spree and McKie, and with JJ who made a great season last year. It still aint deep enought, imho. But it's looking better then last year for sure.
- Phil Jackson, arguably the best coach in the NBA, is back in town. Plus we signed B.Shaw (the future head coach) and Kareem. And Tex Winter will back too.
- psycologically Phil is the best guy to give the Lakers credibility: just look at the Free Agency! Derek Anderson said he was affascinated by playing for Phil and his triangle. Same did Antonio Daniels. Same did Aaron McKie. Same did Spree's agent. Credibility.
- we acquired Kwame Brown and we selected #10 Andrew Bynum. Two guys we didnt have last season, and who are a big improvement over Cook and Medvedenko. Plus Turiaf is imo a good defender, a Mark Madsen type of player every team needs. We looks better this year, very better. We aint ok yet, but it's better than last year.
- Odom will play the triangle: the best system possible, for him. And he's the best player in the league for the system.
That's why i'm pretty optimistic about next year.
It's simple.. if next year we will sux, then it's official: let's blame Kobe! If things will go better, i say it's because of those things. Kobe dickryders will say it's only because of Kobe. Lakers haters will say it's only because of Phil.
That's how i feel about it.
question is, how many people on here arguing with you do u think are Lebron fans? Im not at all. He's good, his game is good. But i still wouldnt watch a Cleveland game unless it was the only game on tv lol. So what does that have to do with anything? Im a Spurs fan, so i have no bias in a Kobe/Lebron argument. I could really careless about either one of em. But you see, that others...who dont cheer for Lebron OR Kobe feel. We seem to side with Lebron. Those siding with Kobe on here, Kobe fans. How can you not notice that?
As far as next year, i agree...you guys will be better. I dont think a lot of people on here think differently. Will you guys win a championship? No. But youll be better then last year. My problem with you dickriders is that you dont EVER want to admit that maybe...just maybe, Kobe was part of the problem last year. If you guys had a decent season, it would have been "all praise to Kobe!". But with a shitty season its "Kobe had no help". Pick one, he's either the man on your team...or not. The man gets the credit in a win, and the blame in a loss. Accept it. HE is the so called team leader, and he lead his team to the second best record in LA. In the "Lebron argument", the ONLY argument any kobe dickrider made in his defense is that he's accomplished so much more then Lebron. What has that been exactly? Championships. You guys discount Lebron as being equal to Kobe right now, because he didnt lead his team to the playoffs last year....well, newsflash! Neither did Kobe. This is why you guys sound ridiculous. Its about seeing things with a little deeper perspective then just "Kobe's #1!!" Im the one that said before, i wish the Lakers were good again. I wish they were at the top, with us. I like the rivalry. There are no real GOOD rivalries in the west as of right now. I guess ill just have to settle with championships until you guys sort your issues out ;D
Let me ask you an honest question. How many players in the league do you honestly think would have led the Lakers to the playoffs being placed in Kobe's exact situation last season...I'd say about...Ummm...Zero.
This is where you guys look like hypocrits. When we compared Lebron and Kobe we said that there was obviously no way Kobe could have done what Lebron did in his first year or two. Kobe couldnt even come of the bench and be consistent...let alone lead a team. You guys said there was no way to know what Kobe would have done if he was needed to lead a team like Lebron did because we'd just be guessing. Now...you want to GUESS that no player put in Kobe's position last year could lead them to the playoffs lol. Pick a side and stick with it NIK. As for your question, i dont know who could have lead them to the playoffs. Id say theres a few bigmen that could have based on the attention a bigman draws and the ability to get other plays involved. Id say Iverson has lead some pretty shitty teams to the playoffs. So who knows. But whats the point in goin back and forth on that? You think Kobe is God...obviously there is no one above God in your mind. Maybe all of your guys Kobe related topics should be posted in TOT. lol
Damn, what's with you and lying? Is that the only way to make yourself seem somewhat credible? I don't thik Kobe is God, I think Kobe is the best baller in the league...Stop repeating the same shit when you have nothing to say...PeACe
Figure it out retard lol. You guys act like he's God....for you guys, he must be. Or youre just in love, one of two. Kobe could rape your mom tomorrow...and he'd still be your favorite player in the world. You love him...deal with it. I dont understand the attachment really...but he, its a free country....do whatcha do man. In case you havent already gotten this, this argument is gettin really stale. Like i said, its like arguin evolution to a bunch of twisted religious nuts. Either way it goes...hope you guys improve next year to actually makin the playoffs so we can see exactly HOW fast San Antonio can sweep your ass ;D
Oh, yes, all who believe Kobe is the best player in the league are sooooo in love with Kobe foooolzzzz!...Make sense, you dumbshit.