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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Tanjential on April 25, 2002, 01:42:07 PM
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just answer these questions please and add any comments you wish to make....
do you only listen to rap/hip-hop?
if so why?(like what's wrong with other genres..)
if not,what else do you listen to?
thank you,i'll check this probably tomorrow,peace-Tanjint
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no, just about everything out there
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1. do you only listen to rap/hip-hop? no
2. if so why? N/A
3. if not,what else do you listen to? Old school R&B, new school R&B and occasionally Rave music.
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Here's the types of music I listen to:
1. Hip-Hop: Mainly West coast with some East & Eminem
2. Soul/R&B: Singers like Bilal, Maxewell, Alicia Keys, TQ, Mary J & Truth Hurts
3. Classic Rock: Almost any classic rock songs aside from The Beatles
There is other shit, but no enough for a category.
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I don't only listen rap.
When it comes to rap I only listen to West pretty much (except for a few artists like Devin)
I listen to rock/grunge which basically includes Hendrix, Zeppelin, Metallica, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Smashing Pumpkins, AC/DC, The Living End, Grinspoon, Red Hot Chili Peppers.
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1. do you only listen to rap/hip-hop? No, but 95 %
2. if so why? Because it's the most REAL music-form out there.
3. if not,what else do you listen to?
About 95 % hiphop
about 3 % r'n'b
about 1 % rock
about 1 % other ish
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1. do you only listen to rap/hip-hop? No, but 95 %
2. if so why? Because it's the most REAL music-form out there.
3. if not,what else do you listen to?
About 95 % hiphop
about 3 % r'n'b
about 1 % rock
about 1 % other ish
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i dont always listen to hip-hop........but mostly its hip-hop.
i listen to RnB, some spanish: merengue, salsa......they play this alot at parties......so eventually i statred liking spainsh music!
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1. do you only listen to rap/hip-hop? No, but 95 %
2. if so why? Because it's the most REAL music-form out there.
3. if not,what else do you listen to?
About 95 % hiphop
about 3 % r'n'b
about 1 % rock
about 1 % other ish
what he said
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I listen 2 all type of ish....
hip hop/{modern, heavy} rock/alternative/ techno/ r&b/ and punk shit
also hebrew hip hop....that shits tiiiite
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I listen to hip hop because it is so versitile. It can bring in elemnets of every other genre of music. But, I do listen to pretty much everything. I'm heavy into soul music, i'm diggin this whole philly neo-soul shit too. I like rock music, classical, everything. I try to listen to some music from around the world too. I got some crazy african cd's with a nutty drummer. It's dope shit. lol. I even listen to the music during a tv show, and just zone out and ignore the show lol. I'm a fan of sound.
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yo if you like all classic rock you will like the beatles later stufff,their early stuff is boy bandish as hell but everything from "I Feel Fine"/"She's A Woman" from 1964 on is genius,Lennon-Mcartney are still up there with any composer lyricist ever,at some point in their life,anyone who speaks english has had a beatles song stuck in their head,you like doors right? I believe they fit in classic rock. I'm not trying to force anything on you but i'm just suggesting based on you saying you like classic rock. That's cool either way man.
Rain: DIG Nirvana and Jimi Hendrix!!!! I like that shit alot.
yeah i listen to mainly The Doors,The Jimi Hendrix Experience,The Beatles,and Nirvana and i don't listen to rap much anymore but i'm always having to defend it against punkers because i do have a deep respect for rap still and i rap alot more than anything in my writing. also I like alot of blues,John Lee Hooker,Muddy Waters,Willie Dixon,The doors and hendrix also do a lot of blues.
anyways i respect few rappers these days....Nas,Outkast,Crooked I,Ras Kass,Eminem,Royce Da 5'9,Rakim,2pac,Biggie
i can't think of many else really that uses rap.
When i say uses i mean excercises raps potential. As a genre Rap easily holds the most potential by far compared to any other category but rap uses so little of this.Nas and Outkast and supposedly Dre(with detox) and Eminem are the only people really going beyond the played out gangsta and commercial themes. Rap is so potent because it's verses hold more lyrics than any other kind of music and it can say so much and get very deep and poetic but now insecure minorities (due to their lower place in society) have to secure themselves by assuring legions of juveniles their dicks are big and they can pull bitches while driving big cars using bug guns and rhyming small words. Sometimes i wish rap was invented by white people. Oh yeah it's called poetry! Don't get me wrong i'm only syaing in reference to most rap on the radio(Ja Rule,Nelly,Cash Money,No Limit,So So Def etc.) and the sorry mofos still doing gangsta rap. Kurupt used ot be my favorite but i've been sorely disillusioned and introduced to his ignorance,inconsistency and stagnant tendencies. Only person worth their salt in Gangsta rap is Crooked I and even his content is worn out,but i am in awe of raps potency(and at how little it's been exploited) and the few good artists of today and the many great rappers of years past. peace-Tanjint
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1. do you only listen to rap/hip-hop? No, but 95 %
2. if so why? Because it's the most REAL form of music out there.
3. if not,what else do you listen to? R&B/Soul/Trance/ classical rock kinda shit/Jazz
-{bLaDe}
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Rap was the realest when the message was new,at this point we have heard EVERY ghetto scenario possible. There is more to real life then Ghettos.and now half the rappers don't know what they're talking about when they claim that shit,they just readin out of n.w.a and the pioneers classics....and in reference to your nas quote....someone who believes in kings and kingdoms rather than a slightly more equal governmental system probably should be a slave.and as of late he's been a damn slave to record company execs I can picture him getting his fat check from a fatter chekc holding white guy "Here Naazzz buy yourself a bouncy car or somethin..".and i LIKE Nas...peace-Tanjint
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let me clarify,it's only raps modern day state i'm dissing here,not rap as a whole by any means...peace-Tanjint
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1. do you only listen to rap/hip-hop? No, but 95 %
2. if so why? Because it's the most REAL music-form out there.
3. if not,what else do you listen to?
About 95 % hiphop
about 3 % r'n'b
about 1 % rock
about 1 % other ish
Word
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1. do you only listen to rap/hip-hop? No, but 95 %
2. if so why? Because it's the most REAL form of music out there.
3. if not,what else do you listen to? R&B/Soul/Trance/ classical rock kinda shit/Jazz
-{bLaDe}
Agree with Doggystylin: Give credit you mothabusta!
I want credit for 95 % of that post, as least the others credited me, but you just quoted and took away the quote-credits.
*LiL|Jome sues bLaDe|DoN for 25$ mill. and 3 blunts.
;D
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I dont really agree with anything you're saying Tanjint. I kind of see where you're comin' from.. but I dont agree. I was raised on Rap. I've been listening to it as long as I can remember. It's the only music I listen to... fuck the percents.. I dont own one cd that's not Rap. Still though.. I dont hate on other kidns of music, I know there's good in Rock, I know there's good in R&B.. It just aint my music.. it doesn't move me.
I REALLY REALLY disagree with what you say about wishin Rap was invented by White People. If Hip Hop was invented by White People.. It wouldn't be Hip Hop.. It'd probably be Hip Hap.. or Hip Hoppidy.. or some other shit.. but definatley not Hip Hop. It wouldn't have the same meaning or the same power behind it. I know that whole Gangsta Gangsta shit is played out.. but that's what Raps alwayz been.. it's been the voice for the Youth comin out of tha Urban streets of America. You gotta take the negative with the positive. You just aint lookin deep enough. Just like Rock Music has it's greats.. they got their not so greats.. People who jump on stage and piss on the audience, burn shit, make music with no real meaning.
I used to only listen to Gangsta Rap.. NOTHING BUT GANGSTA RAP.. I'm older now though.. I aint tryna be no gangster.. I know that life is false.. I've been gettin into alot more underground shit.. still from tha same ghettos.. but delivering a whole other message. Listen to Jurassic 5, Dilated Peoples, Blackalicious, Common, Dead Prez, The Roots, The Pharcyde, Outkast, Pep Love, Black Eyed Peas, De La Soul, Defari, Brand Nubian, Quasimoto, Masta Ace (Mainly "Disposable Arts"), Aceyalone, Mos Def... the list can go on and on and on.. They might not all have a postive message.. but they all express theirselves in their own artistic way. Of course you aint gonna find innovative shit on tha Radio or on MTV.. they only play what's in at the moment..
And I dont only listen to Underground stuff.. I can still listen to Rap with little meaning.. I'm still West Coast to tha fullest and still listen to all my Gangsta shit.. not all music has to be serious and meaningfull... It's not wrong to listen to bouncy, shallow music... sometimes you just wanna kick back and party.. it just depends what kind of music you like.
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Agree with Doggystylin: Give credit you mothabusta!
I want credit for 95 % of that post, as least the others credited me, but you just quoted and took away the quote-credits.
*LiL|Jome sues bLaDe|DoN for 25$ mill. and 3 blunts.
;D
LOL sorry, *bLaDe|DoN gangsta slaps LiL|Jome around a bit with a few yokozuna sized blunts, punches his gut makin him inhale dat shit
-{bLaDe}
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i listen to hip-hop but not only hip hop. my favorite rock bands are rage against the machine and system of a down. but for a hella long time i been on this 70's funk/soul binge. in my changer right now you got curtis mayfield, delfonics, stevie wonder, parliament, harold melvin & the blue notes, isley brothers, al green. and for people that were hatin on the beatles, yall need to step back and re-evaluate. true they were mostly poppy in the early days, they came up with pure genius later in their careers. to not appreciate their music ridiculous. peace
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do you only listen to rap/hip-hop?
nope
if not,what else do you listen to?
Loads and loads of different things... Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Prodigy, Chemical Brothers, Staind, Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit, Moby, Inxs.... the list could go on for a long time !
(btw nice to see another Pearl Jam listener up there ;) )
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1. do you only listen to rap/hip-hop? No, but 95 %
2. if so why? Because it's the most REAL music-form out there.
3. if not,what else do you listen to?
About 95 % hiphop
about 3 % r'n'b
about 1 % rock
about 1 % other ish
happy Jome? ;D
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happy Jome? ;D
Yea, I must say that, yea.
;D
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For one thing i already stated i liked Outkast so who should be takin the negative with the positive now? also,the other groups you named such as jurassic 5 and dilated peoples...even though they ain;t gangsta rap they just braggin about how dope they are at rapping...nothing profound there either...the weakness in your argument against me in this debate(this is just a debate,nothing personal,just a civilized discussion) is that you're coming at me like i'm a stranger to hip-hop,when i'm just someone who's been disillusioned by it and used to be HEAVILY into and i realize it ain't all that i thought. also i know it would be different if whites invented hip-hop...if i didn't think it'd be different then why did i say that? Just to be racist,i hope you know me to be above that. and why did you condescend and patronize me by saying i'm not gonna find anything good on mtv...trust me,someone as jaded as myself knows mass media sucks ass. I'm not attacking you,i'm just trying to give a better understanding of my mentality....also my main statement was that rap has so much more potential but hardly anyone uses it...i'd like to see a response to that...
criminal 909,you easily had the best response to this post and i very much appreciate you taking your time in doing this and i'd like to continue this discussion.thanks to everyone for their feedback and i'd still apreciate more.peace-Tanjint
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I listen to probably 20% rap right now. When I was the deepest into it, I was listening to proably 60% rap... I got a few problems with rap, thats' why I'm slowly fallin' away from it.
1st off, like Tanjint said, rap has sooooooo much potential, but yet it utilizes nothing. It's poetry! It could be so great, rock songs are so simplistic, most are 4-5 lines, over and over, and they are so deep, hit home all the time. Rap has a hundred lines sometimes, and most of the time, 95 of them are crap. How can I take a guy seriously, when he's pouring his heart out about his life of sin, then the next line says "Let the hos that I used to know lick me from my head to toe"... or something to that effect. I know how to have sex, I don't need Tupac instructing me... ya know? Notwithstanding, that song is great, though. And songs like it are great, but that's when I was a big fan. Nowadays, you don't see that much anymore. There's no REAL left in rap... the ONLY rap artists I've been impressed with, on ANY level lately, are Outkast, and Hittman. Even Hittman slips into the same thing, but he is very creative. I guess I could say Knocc is pretty creative, too, though. Rap needs to take a good, hard look at the examples Tupac and biggie set, about writing emotional rap. There were people before them that did it too, but these guys did the best at it. I also think De La Soul is doing a great job with rap. Even their stupid songs are dope, and they don't have to talk about how long their penis is to reassure their manhood... Listen to crap like "3 is a magic number" or "Me Myself and I" or "Stakes is High" by them... all great, great rap. Or check out that track by Roscoe, "The Brother" that samples the cheers theme, over on www.WCKillaz.com. That's how rap needs to head, not the way Jay Z and Nelly are taking it. Maybe Rakim will save us, I know he's capable of it.
Anyways, other than that, right now, i'm really into alternative/rock type stuff... Our Lady Peace is a great example of a very talented band, deep lyrics. Weezer is another band i'm into right now, lyrics aren't deep, but their melodies are great. I've been listein' to some singer/songwriters too, like John Mayer and Glen Phillips. Download a track by Glen Phillips called "Fred Myers" .. it's about him living in an abandoned department store... "Go out there, drink moonshine, cheap brothels, on the westside, dig deep holes, to china, just stay in my bed at fred myers" cool stuff.
My favorites of all time are and remain:
The beatles, the doors, hendrix, Michael Jackson, Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins, Billy Joel, The Temptations, Franky Sinatra, U2, Paul McCartney, John Lennon, etc. etc. etc. thousands of others
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trauma very concisely re-summarized my statements and it's appreciated,thanks man. Beatles,Doors,Hendrix,Nirvana are my faves at the moment and probably for time to come as well,peace-Tanjint
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I listen to mainly rap. I listen to other stuff, but 80% rap, and why. Because I can relate to rap, I listen to it word for word, take what the person is saying and I can see it in my life. 2Pac was my favorite, because no matter how bad my day was, 2Pac had a song about it. Snoop is one of my favorites 'cause he always cheers me up. I take Snoop as fictional stories, like a movie. I listen to Snoop and do into an imagionary world that is made up, and is funny with Snoop Dogg wit.
Other raps I fell on an indivual basis. I'm feeling Ras Kass and his stands on many issues, same with Common, and Mos Def. I like Jurassic 5's sound and their flow, and Dilated People I think is the most complete hip-hop act out there today. I like listening to new hungry underground acts, like Techn9, and Don Cisco and Lil' Rob. I used to never worry about underground acts, 'cause the Beat and Power used to keep people informed about what was out there, but now it's basically you gotta get the stuff yourself, or hear it from a friend. So lesser acts don't get radio time, unless you have a club hit. That I think hurts rap, and hip-hop in general.
I used to listen to nothing but westcoast. To me, Ready to Die sucked, Master Ace was the greatest thing out of New York, Rakim needed better production (imagion someone saying that about Eric B...LOL) and Gangstarr was tight as hell. Everyone I didn't mentioned was hated on, Puffy, Redman actually, I like Meth and the Wu, but never actually bought their shit, Nas was alright, but no 'Pac, Tribe had skills but overrated with two 5mic albums. Things changed after 'Pac died, as after Westside Connection, and Makaveli, westcoast put out trash. Doggfather was bad, Art of War was alright, but could have been a lot better, and then came Wu Tang Forever which was tight, and Life After Death, which I bought, making me replay Ready to Die and evaulating eastcoast.
As I see hip-hop now, we are in a commercal era, which is bringing in lots of money, but at the cost of culture. Hip-hop is it's own culture, Rap/MCing, DJing/Beat Box, Break Dance/Pop Locking, and Grafiti, and it seems everything is getting lost. The true sound, the subject matter, ad the meaning. Rappers used to mean something, as Public Enemy, 2Pac, Ice T, Ice Cube, Rakim, KRS-One, and almost everyone else had a message. Sure they had their radio songs, and their club hits and songs saying shake your ass. But we need something to dance too, but they also said some real shit. Now I buy a CD with nothing but club hits, and really no message. Even Puffy's first CD had something I can feel, but after that, it was club hits, and rocking Ice. All this money, and sex, and fast cars. I don't have what they have, so I can't relate. So I slip in an old Naughty By Nature CD, and listen to really rap. And someone actually counted the word nigga used in a song. Now N.W.A. was considered to be hardcore and what not. They were the extreme in the old school, and they had the dirtest lyrics of everyone. Well most CD's now average the word nigga twice as much as it was used by N.W.A. on Straight Outta Compton, and some of the uses of nigga on Straight Outta Compton actually had meaning behind it. Today it's cursing to curse, sex and money just to brag about it, and materal good to advertice. Shit, this is not what it was about, and I ain't bought a rap CD in a while. I refuse to buy and support an industry that isn't caring what they say. The last CD I bought was Dueces and Trays, and that was because I love Snoop. Other than that, I want to get Nas, I heard it many times, know some songs by heart, and got a copy, so as soon as I can get money, I'ma support Nas. But everyone else needs to earn my money, 'cause money's tight and I ain't bling bling.
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M dogg,that's cool that you came out like that,based on what you just said i suggest you pick up The Beatles Sgt.Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band....it makes you look at the little things in life with new wonder,arguably the greatest record ever,and the outro even has a hip-hop feel to it,pick up Nas' new joint and then pick up Sergeant Pepper,you won't be disappointed,anyone else temporarily disillusioned with rap? I have been and i felt shitty that there was no musical refuge so i turned to various modern rock acts....I looked at Limp Bizkit and they fell off too soon....i looked into Korn but not enough melody/coherency/rhyming for me,i looked into metallica but too hard and impersonal with the melodies..i respect korn and metallica but i just can;t get very into them......so i just kept buying mediocre rap albums until one day i heard the doors break on through in its entirety and my life was changed. You don't have to waste your doe on mediocrity there are tons of classics out there outside of rap that you've been ignorant to,i have been too and i'm just catching up! The Doors self titled debut,The Doors' Strange Days,The Beatles's Abbey Road,damn near anything by Hendrix! There is life after rap! No offense to rap but we need new wine! dig? Rap at the moment is stagnated,all rap has been good for is to speak on black oppresion and ghettos and such,can't they think of anything else worthwhile??? Don't get me wrong,it doesn't mean they don't have talent, Crooked I is talented as fuck but he talks about the same stupid shit! so i'm not saying there's no talent,hell i rap! but people like me and infinite and mouse and a few others are actually proficiently introspective but of course gets no love unless we're calling someone else a fag in a rap or use a violent simile and half of you call it a metaphor.....don't be ignorant....because i know why you cling to rap.....the same reasons i did about a year ago....rap makes you feel cool(if you're not black,if you're black you already feel cool....),rap is the "hip" music hip-hop comes from ..yes i'm going to say it...."Hip" "POP"....."Hip Pop" is what the term derived from,it's popular and it's in touch with kids primitive mental obsessions,therefore hip,so until you're secure with yourself listen to the newer music to you (like beatles doors and hendrix and nirvana etc....) on headphonesand you may come the conclusion that it's cool as well....if you don wanna rush out and buy the stuff i'll make a little list of recommended downloads to give you some samples of sthe stuff
The Doors-Break On Through(To The Other Side)
The Beatles-I Want You(She's So Heavy)
The Jimi Hendrix Experience-I Don't Live Today
Tool-Aenima
Nirvana-On A Plain
The Doors-When The Music's Over
Pink Floyd-Another Brick In The Wall Pt.2
The Beatles-Come Together
The Jimi Hendrix Experience-The Wind Cries Mary
Tool-The Swamp Song
Led Zeppelin-Kashmir
Curtis Mayfield-Little Child Runnin' Wild
Nirvana-All Apologies
The Doors-Five To One
The Beatles-Sgt.Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band and Sergeant Pepper's Lonley Hearts Club Band (Reprise)-probably the first hip-hop/rap beat,and it was made in 1967
Led Zeppelin-Stairway To Heaven
Metallica-The Unforgiven....
GOD the list goes on.....i'm so frustrated because i know ard it was to get me to listen to anything but rap when i was like you too! I was stubborn too,i said the same things "Rap is REAL! Rap is poetry!" etc... and this is true but i can't put into words the wonders of classic rock....sorry for wasting your time but i just want everybody to feel how i feel in a way..no offense to rap,i like rap generally speaking but i needed a break around the time when i could admit to myself the things that M dogg just stated......peace-Tanjint
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criminal 909,you easily had the best response to this post and i very much appreciate you taking your time in doing this and i'd like to continue this discussion.thanks to everyone for their feedback and i'd still apreciate more.peace-Tanjint
Thanks, I wasn't tryna have a heated argument.. just kind of wanted to conversate about it... cuz I've been trippin on this same issue over tha last couple weeks.
I still stick to most of the things I said though. You have to take the negative with the positive.. just like Rock has it's Insane Clown Posse's (even thought they kinda rap).. they got alot of worthless rock music out there... Punk Rock, for example.. it's a whole other part of Rock Music.. but it's still Rock. Most of that music is written off as trash.. Hip Hop has it's different types of Rap also.
Sorry if you felt I was patrionizing you.. that wasn't my intention...I noticed when you said you liked Outkast the first time.. I just thought they were a good group to add to my list. Outkast is an easy group to get into though.. their shit got pretty good air play and good promotion on almost all their cd's they've dropped. Also, If you're looking for positive, meaningful lyrics... you should probably stop lookin for them in Crooked I. He's a gangsta rapper... If you're into Hip Hop music and you're lookin for some raw tallent who can freestyle like few others.. Crooked I's your man. Same goes for Kurupt. Same goes for Biggie.
I know Jurassic 5 and Dilated aint bringing nothin new to tha table as far as lyrics go.. but they still come with their own style.. they put their own sound, their own art into their music. I like it. They do their own thing.. they're not rappin about their "Bling Bling" or about "Murda"..
I've seen your post before.. you used to post way back in tha day.. You seem like a good person.. I dont think you're racist and believe you are beyond that.. I still think your statement was wrong though. I think kinda condescending towards black people... kind of like White People are smarter than Blacks, Blacks aren't capable of comin' up with good music as much as Whites. That's just the way I understood it though. I'm not puttin words in your mouth.. you can correct me if I'm wrong.
I agree with your main statement... Rap has SOOO MUCH potential and not enough people use it. But I already respoded to you with my list of artists.. I think alot of them explore with Hip Hop and add their own twist to it.. If you'd like.. I can try to list more people.
Damn... I was fuckin stoned when I started writing this.. I straight lost my buzz...
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it's not so much black people/white people as it is black culture/white culture,it's like...eminem is a white person but he is immersed in the black culture and that's okay. Jimi Hendrix was a black person and he was immersed in white culture and that's okay. but Black culture has a sense of entitlement,the sense that they are always being held down and that they are owed something for being held down. At this point rap has no real controversy surrounding it because,due to raps influence white cultures membes expect black cultures members to behave like rappers,they keep themselves down,Rap made an initial statement with gangsta rap and that was significant now it's time to move on to something new but as long as these people can milk white kids with rehashes of 10 year old lyrics,they will....somehow i doubt white cultures members would do this...in example the beatles...their lyrics were constantly progressing when they could have kept selling doing the same dumb stuff over....beatles may be a bad a comparison cuz they're some of the greatest so lets say metallica...oooh yeah metallica was also a very progressive band....uhhh doors...also progressive....tool.....progressive....nirvana....musically formulaic but lyrically developing....the list goes on....the only really progressiveness in hip-hop is outkast and dre's marketing skills...it's not because the white culture's members are better smarter or more talented because the black culture could do just as much but they're holding themselves down...right now rap has no controversy so everybody's dissing eachother,i wouldn't know about the disses unless i read it here....that says something to me, for a good rock diss check "how do you sleep?" by john lennon (about paul mccartney),the rock hit 'em up,peace-Tanjint
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Ya know, for tha last several years I have only listened to hip hop. Yeah, I was pretty closed minded about my music. Even worse, I only listened to West Coast, with the exception of Red and Meth. Yeah, If it wasn't West, I wouldn't even pick it up. But now, I try to be more open to other styles of hip hop and even started geting into other styles of music altogether. On a personal note, The more and more I get closer to God and exercise my relationship with Jesus, I find my self stepping away from "worldly" music. Hip hop to be more precised. But don't get me wrong, My love for Hip Hop it self will NEVER go away. It is who I am. But to be honest, some of tha music out there isn't good for tha soul, ya know? But anyway, Five years ago I started playing tha Bass guitar. And Hip hop was tha ONLY thing I was listening to. So even today, no matter what style I am playing, You can hear the Hip Hop feel I put into it. That's just who I am. I try to give it that funky DJ Quik feel. I have also taken after Warren G's style in my own playing as well. But as I grow Musicly, I find my self getting into Jazz, Blues, and Soft Rock lately. I listen to alot of Spyro Gyra now. If yall don't know who thay are, you've missed something. Thay are Jazz. I love it. And Melvin Taylor plays GREAT blues. So yeah, My musical horizon is getting bigger, slowly but surely. Oh yeah, I just love gospal music. I have always had an ear for gospel. Believe it or not, Nate Dogg and his Gospel touch to Hip Hop is one of the biggest things that got me hooked to hip hop. I don't care what any body sayz. You just can't fuck wit Nate Dogg. Ha.
Peace.
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1. do you only listen to rap/hip-hop? No, but 95 %
2. if so why? Because it's the most REAL music-form out there.
3. if not,what else do you listen to?
About 95 % hiphop
about 3 % r'n'b
about 1 % rock
about 1 % other ish
^ as above. except i listen/daze out to trance/dance/rave etc when im druggin' it up. dont listen to r&b @ all.
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01. no, but i only buy rap.
02. n/a
03. mostly r 'n' b besides rap,
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1. do you only listen to rap/hip-hop?
Nope
2.if so why? N/A
3.if not,what else do you listen to?
Drum N Bass, Jungle, Soul, Reggae
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i listen to about 30% hiphop and 70% other types
i really only listen to hip hop when im on the computer apart from the albums i consider classics and i never grow tired of. these include all biggie, jayz RD, illmatic, stillmatic, wutang 36chambers also play ghostface's albums occasionally. the westcoast doesnt get played, actually i play black sunday once in a while. Most rap i buy gets gets no play after a few weeks.
The majority of the music i listen to consists of The Beatles (mainly the older stuff, magical mystery tour and abbey road geting the most listens), rolling stones (Hot Rocks is a perfect compilation of the rolling stones material i like), bob dylan (anything - usually listen to his greatest hits cd), van morrison (astral week & moondance are classics but i also love his newer stuff like Enlightenment, the first half in particular), the kinks, mamas and the papas, the birds, the doors (not that much tho), neil young (Harvest), Tom Petty (not that much of late), the eagles. im sure im forgeting some but that sort of stuff. lots of bob marley. lou reed.
I was into alot of britrock/indie stuff so i still listen to the likes of oasis, superfurry animals, cast, plus alittle blur and ash.
Then i also listen to goldie (only timeless but its superb), also luv prodigy's early stuff (prodigy experience must be one of my al time most played albums).
finley quaye, morcheeba.......
god almost forgot happy mondays and stone roses!!
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maybe i should change that to 15% hip hop 85 % other
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It'd be weird switching from rap. I've listen to rap since I was little, and aside from Low Rider Oldies, R&B, and classic rock and classic soul, rap is my main music. I like raps production, and the lased beats. Everyone around me at home listens to rap. Ask Criminal_909, go outside of a high school and rap is all you hear in people cars. But I listen to other stuff, it's just gotta be good.
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1. Do you only listen to rap/hip-hop?
Yes
2. If so why?
It's just my preference, I just can't get into any other form of music. Hiphop has such diversity that it keeps my attention so I don't have to look to other forms of music.
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do you only listen to rap/hip-hop - No
if so why? n/a
if not,what else do you listen to? Drum n' Bass, Trance (mostly from 98/99 that's when it was at it's best, Old Skool Trance, Old slool House, progressive old skool trance, Speed garage, Big Beat, Break Beat, and hard house....
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I listen to probably like 95% rap. The other stuff would be:
1. Insane Clown Posse (even though I consider them rap, most people don't)
2. Beck
3. Frank Sinatra....peep the Sopranos soundtrack and listen to "It was a very good year"...tell me that ain't tight!
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do you only listen to rap/hip-hop? No
if not,what else do you listen to? I listen to West Coast Rap & 70's Funk and Soul
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it's not so much black people/white people as it is black culture/white culture,it's like...eminem is a white person but he is immersed in the black culture and that's okay. Jimi Hendrix was a black person and he was immersed in white culture and that's okay. but Black culture has a sense of entitlement,the sense that they are always being held down and that they are owed something for being held down. At this point rap has no real controversy surrounding it because,due to raps influence white cultures membes expect black cultures members to behave like rappers,they keep themselves down,Rap made an initial statement with gangsta rap and that was significant now it's time to move on to something new but as long as these people can milk white kids with rehashes of 10 year old lyrics,they will....somehow i doubt white cultures members would do this...in example the beatles...their lyrics were constantly progressing when they could have kept selling doing the same dumb stuff over....beatles may be a bad a comparison cuz they're some of the greatest so lets say metallica...oooh yeah metallica was also a very progressive band....uhhh doors...also progressive....tool.....progressive....nirvana....musically formulaic but lyrically developing....the list goes on....the only really progressiveness in hip-hop is outkast and dre's marketing skills...it's not because the white culture's members are better smarter or more talented because the black culture could do just as much but they're holding themselves down...right now rap has no controversy so everybody's dissing eachother,i wouldn't know about the disses unless i read it here....that says something to me, for a good rock diss check "how do you sleep?" by john lennon (about paul mccartney),the rock hit 'em up,peace-Tanjint
This is incredibly ignorant. Jimi Hendrix was involved in black music, basically playing blues but with electric gutairs, you can try and deny it as much as you want like other ignorant people such as Ted Nugent but the fact is people want to act like Rock is white when its black, just like almost all music of the 20th and early 21st century.
The second part is borderline stupidity to denegrate the black struggle to black peoples being basically ingrates is crazy.
Also I see you bigging up alot of old rock such as the Beatles and Zepplin who are of course great, but why use them as comparison points to rap artists now? Why not compare them to the rock now, and realize that rock itself is in much more dire straights than Hip-Hop has ever been. Go back in rap history and find what you missed whether its old BDP albums or Ice-T, Public Enemy, Black Sheep, etc. Don't sell rap short because you have issues with the struggle in the ghetto. Which brings me to another point, that you must not have looked very deep into hip-hop if all you can find is descriptions of the ghetto lifestyle.
Hopefully you get my point.
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This is incredibly ignorant. Jimi Hendrix was involved in black music, basically playing blues but with electric gutairs, you can try and deny it as much as you want like other ignorant people such as Ted Nugent but the fact is people want to act like Rock is white when its black, just like almost all music of the 20th and early 21st century.
The second part is borderline stupidity to denegrate the black struggle to black peoples being basically ingrates is crazy.
Also I see you bigging up alot of old rock such as the Beatles and Zepplin who are of course great, but why use them as comparison points to rap artists now? Why not compare them to the rock now, and realize that rock itself is in much more dire straights than Hip-Hop has ever been. Go back in rap history and find what you missed whether its old BDP albums or Ice-T, Public Enemy, Black Sheep, etc. Don't sell rap short because you have issues with the struggle in the ghetto. Which brings me to another point, that you must not have looked very deep into hip-hop if all you can find is descriptions of the ghetto lifestyle.
Hopefully you get my point.
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Country, Classical, Heavy Metal, Alternative music are 4 huge genre's that jump out that were entirely dominated by whites.
Who cares, anyways? It doesn't matter, black people have black music, white people have white music, it's all good.
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Country, Classical, Heavy Metal, Alternative music are 4 huge genre's that jump out that were entirely dominated by whites.
Who cares, anyways? It doesn't matter, black people have black music, white people have white music, it's all good.
heavy metal and alternative are derivative of rock therefore black music merely coopted by the white majority.
Except music students and older people who listens to classic music seriously?
Country has been incredibly influenced by black music in a way that black music hasn't been by it.
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ha, with that statement about classical music, you just showed your knowledge of music. Nevermind, LOL... just act like I didn't say anything.
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ha, with that statement about classical music, you just showed your knowledge of music. Nevermind, LOL... just act like I didn't say anything.
I never commented on its quality. Look at the Billboard and Soundscan to see its place in todays musical society. The only time classical gets any play is if its part of a music soundtrack.
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You're thinking about recordings. The majority of public PERFORMANCES are always classical. And remember what you said about students, the only music "taught" anywhere is classical, in school all around the world. Nobody teaches Rock... or Rap. So it has a very, very, very important place in society. But still, I'm questioning why you're trying to downplay the 'white' significance in music, it doesn't matter if someone's white or black that made music, they both make great music. What you could make a case for, though, is American Music. America invented Rock, Country, Blues, Jazz, Rap, etc. etc. etc.
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You're thinking about recordings. The majority of public PERFORMANCES are always classical. And remember what you said about students, the only music "taught" anywhere is classical, in school all around the world. Nobody teaches Rock... or Rap. So it has a very, very, very important place in society. But still, I'm questioning why you're trying to downplay the 'white' significance in music, it doesn't matter if someone's white or black that made music, they both make great music. What you could make a case for, though, is American Music. America invented Rock, Country, Blues, Jazz, Rap, etc. etc. etc.
I'm not downplaying white achievements just bigging up black ones. Black achievements were downplayed for years from people like Pat Benatar(I think thats his last name) basically stealing black songs like little Richards and putting a white face on them. And in a society that revolves around race as much as this one does, erasing and degrading black inventors for as many years as it has, people naturally think that rock music is white or rapping about the ghetto is a bad thing. I have no problem with people who like John Cash more than George Clinton but that doesn't mean I wouldn't call them if they said Ted Nugent played a better gutair than Hendrix like he claimed.
So don't get it twisted I have nothing against clapton, page, elton, or eminem in fact I listen to all of them I just had to speak on Tanjints generalizations he was putting out there.
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1. Not only, but 90 %
2. N/A
3. Rock, Classical, Michael Jackson
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okay the whole race issue came to play when i said,sometimes i wish whites would have invented rap because i was complaining that blacks have generally overworn the same shit topically,"the ghetto" and "i'm doper than you" "i'm rich now" "i love you,bitch" the ghetto includes the weed,cops,shooting cars,money issues etc. i'm doper than you is the bragging raps,the "i have a big ass dick and a bag ass gun and a big ass car" etc. right after a line stating "i'm struggling in the ghetto"..."i'm rich now" includes bragging about what he does with his money and party tracks..i could go on but these 4 umbrella topics are generally all rap is...even the gods rakim,biggie,pac slipped into this alot..anfd this is with songs that are approximately pages long, 1 minute long verse is about a page,most songs are 3 verses...so they have 3 pages to say alot and they don't use this....meanwhile the rock i've been promoting have songs that are 1 page long and the lyrics can be so deep diverse and constantly progressing etc....rap was on that level until we realized rap wasn't gonna say anything else....hell the real talented white rappers have taken it farther...everlast has integrated blues with rap,genius! Eminem brings introspective anger to life with vivid shocking disgusting imagery....and he's so oversaturated it's even getting old but he keeps it fresh by using the best tactics of the "i'm doper than you" topic umbrella to express anger rather than shooting someone and getting arrested...how many rappers can we say that about? even the mexicans are just a latinized vesion of the black stuff....cypress hill:weed and the hood same shit.....lil rob....the hood and bitches....i mean there are some rap love songs but these half the time are just asking for pussy and saying they're gonna get it...and when they try to be real love songs it actually can come out good but of course they have to be "hard ass gangsta ass niggaz" so they can't do that very often......can you say fucking inecure???? Don't say it's wrong to associate black cultures problems with black musics problems because there is a corellation! The black culture keeps themselves down and they keep their music down,they have talent,they can do it but they don't generally.
modern rock is the same way it's stagnated in its "life sucks...i got dumped ahhhh!!!" but at least it pays homage to classic rock.....the only people modern rappers pay homage too are their dead friends, and biggie and pac....i comletely agree with traumas example of life goes on....it's the same to me with "how long wil they mourn me?"...i mean the emotion was there but the precision wasn't.....it's like they just slapped that shit down without checking if their rhymes were good and mindlessy incessantly cussing,i don't have a problem with cussing but they make it just plain fucking stupid! my point was i think white people would have stayed lyrically prgressive and would have made a few significant lyrical statements,rap had made one real significant topical movement,Rocks had about 4....-party anthem-so basic but for the time was great,-rebel-played out now but revolutionary at the time,-love- rock took it deeper-drugs-and how they open the mind and psychedelic visions-and finally depression/anger-which it's still in for better or for
worse......rap has had about 23 years and it's cheif themes/statements:battle rap(i'm doper than you)/gangsta rap(ghetto)
remain....when rock had 20 years (1952-1972) it was already near the end of its transition from drugs to depression/anger!
Now you know i'm not racist but i say that all to defend my statement,i mean after all that(and i know i repeated alot of what i said before in that but most of you have failed to dismantle much of it) can you blame me for saying what said? other than that statement you got about nothin on me lala,okay immersed was a bad word to use for the hendrix comparison but besides his blues/funk stuff his hard rock/psychedelia(which is the bulf of his work and renown,and thats no bias,i like his blues best) are white predominated genres and hendrix was in 'em,which,like i said,is okay.and what do you mean "but with" electric guitars?? Blues had been electric before hendrix, Willie Dixon,Muddy Waters, and JOHN LEE HOOKER!!! doin electric guitar pickin a bit before hendrix.....anyways what does BDP/KRS and black sheep talk about that may support your claim that rap does stretch farther....i'm not saying all rap anyway,just most,the underground stuff is mainly under the "i'm doper than you" umbrella anyway so don't go there....i see at this point this is lacking direction but i'm hoping you people are understanding me here,peace-Tanjint
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okay the whole race issue came to play when i said,sometimes i wish whites would have invented rap because i was complaining that blacks have generally overworn the same shit topically,"the ghetto" and "i'm doper than you" "i'm rich now" "i love you,bitch" the ghetto includes the weed,cops,shooting cars,money issues etc. i'm doper than you is the bragging raps,the "i have a big ass dick and a bag ass gun and a big ass car" etc. right after a line stating "i'm struggling in the ghetto"..."i'm rich now" includes bragging about what he does with his money and party tracks..i could go on but these 4 umbrella topics are generally all rap is...even the gods rakim,biggie,pac slipped into this alot..anfd this is with songs that are approximately pages long, 1 minute long verse is about a page,most songs are 3 verses...so they have 3 pages to say alot and they don't use this....meanwhile the rock i've been promoting have songs that are 1 page long and the lyrics can be so deep diverse and constantly progressing etc....rap was on that level until we realized rap wasn't gonna say anything else....hell the real talented white rappers have taken it farther...everlast has integrated blues with rap,genius! Eminem brings introspective anger to life with vivid shocking disgusting imagery....and he's so oversaturated it's even getting old but he keeps it fresh by using the best tactics of the "i'm doper than you" topic umbrella to express anger rather than shooting someone and getting arrested...how many rappers can we say that about? even the mexicans are just a latinized vesion of the black stuff....cypress hill:weed and the hood same shit.....lil rob....the hood and bitches....i mean there are some rap love songs but these half the time are just asking for pussy and saying they're gonna get it...and when they try to be real love songs it actually can come out good but of course they have to be "hard ass gangsta ass niggaz" so they can't do that very often......can you say fucking inecure???? Don't say it's wrong to associate black cultures problems with black musics problems because there is a corellation! The black culture keeps themselves down and they keep their music down,they have talent,they can do it but they don't generally.
modern rock is the same way it's stagnated in its "life sucks...i got dumped ahhhh!!!" but at least it pays homage to classic rock.....the only people modern rappers pay homage too are their dead friends, and biggie and pac....i comletely agree with traumas example of life goes on....it's the same to me with "how long wil they mourn me?"...i mean the emotion was there but the precision wasn't.....it's like they just slapped that shit down without checking if their rhymes were good and mindlessy incessantly cussing,i don't have a problem with cussing but they make it just plain fucking stupid! my point was i think white people would have stayed lyrically prgressive and would have made a few significant lyrical statements,rap had made one real significant topical movement,Rocks had about 4....-party anthem-so basic but for the time was great,-rebel-played out now but revolutionary at the time,-love- rock took it deeper-drugs-and how they open the mind and psychedelic visions-and finally depression/anger-which it's still in for better or for
worse......rap has had about 23 years and it's cheif themes/statements:battle rap(i'm doper than you)/gangsta rap(ghetto)
remain....when rock had 20 years (1952-1972) it was already near the end of its transition from drugs to depression/anger!
Now you know i'm not racist but i say that all to defend my statement,i mean after all that(and i know i repeated alot of what i said before in that but most of you have failed to dismantle much of it) can you blame me for saying what said? other than that statement you got about nothin on me lala,okay immersed was a bad word to use for the hendrix comparison but besides his blues/funk stuff his hard rock/psychedelia(which is the bulf of his work and renown,and thats no bias,i like his blues best) are white predominated genres and hendrix was in 'em,which,like i said,is okay.and what do you mean "but with" electric guitars?? Blues had been electric before hendrix, Willie Dixon,Muddy Waters, and JOHN LEE HOOKER!!! doin electric guitar pickin a bit before hendrix.....anyways what does BDP/KRS and black sheep talk about that may support your claim that rap does stretch farther....i'm not saying all rap anyway,just most,the underground stuff is mainly under the "i'm doper than you" umbrella anyway so don't go there....i see at this point this is lacking direction but i'm hoping you people are understanding me here,peace-Tanjint
Tanjint.. I don't think you really want to accept what everybody's trying to tell you. You're too deep into your music. And there's nothin wrong with that.. that's coo'.. you like Classic Rock.. but why do you have to take so much from Rap to make Rock look good. They each have their pro's and their cons.. there's just as much garbage Rock Music out there than there is Hip Hop. My dad listens to tha Doors, The Eagles, The Beatles, Elton John.. all kinds of shit.. I recognize it's all good music.. It just aint my music, It dont do nothin for me.. Almost Famous.. that was a dope ass movie.. I just like Menace II Society a lil bit better...
Those "Topical Movements" you listed for Rock.. you listed 5 of them.. "Party Anthem", "Rebel", "Drugs", "Love", and "Depression".. Well, I've heard so many Rappers cover these same topics plenty of times as well. I just dont think you're as knoledgeable about Rap as you think you are. I mean, to say that Dre and Outkast are the only ones in Rap Music progressing is a pretty big opinion and isn't accurate at all.
Rap Music started in the Ghetto. It was started by an oppressed society.. of course that oppression is gonna reflect in the music. That's why they cuss in almost every song... the cuss words just help paint the picture... but that's not all Rap is.. you're kinda stereotyping Rap Music like old people do... sayin Rap is all about "Bling Bling", "Fuck This, Fuck That", "I Fucked Your Girl and Your Mama"... and it's not even like that. I agree a huge percent of it is though.. and that's not good but still... you can't just dismiss it as a whole.
I'm trying to understand your argument but the more you argue, the more I disagree. I know you have a passion for Classic rock and I respect your admiration for it... I just dont share it. And it's cool for you to try to spread your love for that music but like I said.. why do you have to take away from Rap to do that? Like in that other thread.. the one about Nate Dogg... you replied to it and dissed Rap Fans by saying they couldn't understand words longer than one sillable.. what for?
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hm,well it just disturbed me that people still take the music seriously as art. as entertainment,hell ap prevails,i mean last night i was in the car and the original version of bad azz/snoop's we be puttin it down came on,now that's some g-funk, and it was funky and it was cool to cruise to,but i mean the bass was so damn high on that shit you can't hear half of what the fuck their saying,now do you think they as artists really care about their words? and i'm tired of rap fans i know always putting me down for liking old music..and mainly i wanted to share it because it felt so good and natural to make the change from west coast g-funk to classic rock that i felt that everyone that was the way i was could do it....i mean i was as heavy into rap as anyone in here but it just slipped away and i'm how i am now...and that says alot to me,mainly i just don't respct modern rap anymore because it's not art like n.w.a. and 2pac was,that was art,that was statements,and was for raps party anthems,they are just a blend of the "i'm rich now"/"i love you,bitch"/and "ghetto-weed"-umbrellas,raps love songs are under the "i love you bitch" umbrella the "rebel" rap songs are just rehashes of n.w.a's classic "fuck tha police" the depression ones are complaing about being poor,NEVER emotional because rappers can't show emotion cuz they have to be "hard ass gangsta ass niggaz" and are under the "ghetto" umbrella, and as for the sylabbles thing,lets put it this way,most rap fans call similes metaphors and proclaim kurupt as one of the best mcs while he has mucho throwaway rhymes and inconsistencies such as "i'm a cloud of electricty/and i'll fuck you up!" from We About To Get Fucc Up on Dillinger and Gotti you know how many dope rhymes Kurupt could have done on that line? But no he got lazy and according to you guys kurupt is ill.....crooked i is the only good gangsta rapper and even his topics are boring,nas' i suppose arguably is progressive but he's really saying the same things he was in 94 but with more militance, but your main point is right-you got your music,i got mine and i should respect that,i think i just got offensive when they said rap is the only real music because my whole point is to make it realized that only a fraction of raps potential has been used,now if you'll excuse me i think i'm go bump tha streetz iz a mutha and see if i can still dig this,wish me luck,peace-Tanjint
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i think i just got offensive when they said rap is the only real music because my whole point is to make it realized that only a fraction of raps potential has been used,now if you'll excuse me i think i'm go bump tha streetz iz a mutha and see if i can still dig this,wish me luck,peace-Tanjint
See... The problem still remains though. Why listen to Tha Streetz Iz A Mutha? You already realised you aint down with the message Gangsta Rap spreads... you know Kurupt aint gonna satisfy you cuz you already see past his image and aint impressed with his procliamed lyrical skills. You still aint lookin in the right places. Like if I decided to start listening to Rock, and I chose to listen to Metalica (Which is probalby a good group, just like Kurupts a good rapper), wouldn't you want to guide me towards The Doors or The Beatles cuz you know how good they are.. dont say you wouldn't cuz that's practically what you've been doing this whole thread. Well I'ma do you a favor.. I'ma tell you to put Tha Streetz down and try listening to these.. you might not like them but atleast give'em a shot.
Blackalious: "NIA" - They do alot of boasting.. but that's coo' cuz their straight Hip Hop... crazy hooks and their music just sounds dope.. their shit easily gets stuck in your head.. If you're gonna listen to this.. i suggest you listen to tha whole cd.. get the whole vibe down.
Masta Ace: "Disposable Arts" - He's been in tha game for a long time but still has a fresh voice. He's probably just as upset with how Rap is today as you are. I dont know if you'll like his whole cd but here's some songs you can download which you might like. "Hold You", "Black Episode", "Enuff", "Dear Diary".
Pep Love: "Acsension" - He gives off a pretty good vibe and tries to spread a positive message. Probably one of the most "nice" sounding cd i own.
Common: "Like Water For Chocholate" - You should know who Common is. I dont know if you're feelin him. He's pretty good though. You've probably already heard "The Light".. I dont know how you feel about it but it's a pretty good love song in my opinion. He isnt tryna be a hard ass gangsta nigga at all.
Damn.. I've spent alot of time on you and this thread.. I hope you give these guys a chance.. a lil bit of your time and hopefully you can reply and let me know what you think.
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Here you go.. here's the links to the pages where you can hear sample clips of songs off these albums. Each sample clip is 30 seconds long.. it shouldn't take too much of your time.
Blackalicous "NIA"
http://music.msn.com/Album/?album=113006
Masta Ace - Disposable Arts
http://music.msn.com/Album/?album=611839
Pep Love - "Ascension"
http://music.msn.com/Album/?album=606581
Common - "Like Water For Chocolate"
http://music.msn.com/Album/?album=113015
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Though hip hop is my fav kind of music, I also listen to classic rock and SOME alternative rock.
For classic rock, some of my favs include Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, Pink Floyd, Aerosmith, The Doors, Black Sabbath, etc etc.......I listen to alternative rock to a lesser degree, but I like Smashing Pumpkins, some of Pearl Jams shit, and a little bit of Nirvana here and there. Im not much into heavy metal, but I do like ONE Metallica album [the Black Album]. Classic rock is my cup of tea for the most part though.
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i listen to just about everythin....always try to keep an open mind wit music especially since i make music....its good to have other feelings runnin thru your veins.......holllllllllla
peace