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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: acbaylove on October 18, 2005, 04:44:57 PM
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If you was Mitch. Obviously you had to acquire another PF. But i mean, who do you think is better?
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No..just b/c R,Artest is crazy and probably will be banned from the league in 2 years
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Hell yeah i would do this trade in a heartbeat.At least you know you will get a True shut down defense specialist and someone that has heart to go along with Kobe.Odom is a good player but he is to soft and plays no D which makes him too inconsitent and the lakers need to get rid of his pussy ass.Kwame is another fucking loser how long has he been called a working progress now?Grow some Balls Kwame. >:(
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Other opinions please?
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I always thought a top player is better than some "good players with potential :D", because it's impossible to make a top player out of a good player if it's just not in him, but it's a lot easier to get the best out of decent players and build a good team with chemistry. Plus, other players will come when they see how much your team rules.
Do you know why the Shaq/Odom, Butler, Grant, pick trade was so GREAT for the Heat? Not because Shaq is a lot better than all those players combined, but because as soon as you got someone like Shaq on your team, other veterans will eye your team and be glad to play for this team. And space is there too, unlike when you have some "good players with potential" filling your starting 5.
In short: I'd do this trade, and I'd be very happy afterwards.
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Of course, you ask this question on a board like this, and most of the people will say yes. Go post this on Lakerground.net and EVERYONE will laugh in your face. You completely forgot the meaning of being a fan, trading away Odom and Brown would ruin the whole plan Jackson has for the next 3 years. And imagine if Kwame Brown really does become something, how stupid would you then feel after making this trade? To say it’s not likely that he will develop is just ignorant. Just by watching last nights game (Kwame had a 19-7 game), I could see he definitely has it in him…Odom is supposed to be handling the ball which will put Kobe on the wing, the position he’s desired so greatly throughout his career. You, as a Laker fan, should know how great this is. Unfortunately, you don’t…You know, there was a thread on some other board asking if they’d trade only Lamar Odom alone for Artest, and most people said “HELL NO”…One day you’ll hate how you’ve forever ruined your name as a Laker fan, by losing faith, having doubts, and making stupid comments…PeACe
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I don't think so for the same reason as Now_Im_Blowed. And I beilive Brown will come into his own this season
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i say fuck Brown he a pussy and will never become that great player everyone thinks he will.Im just being honest about it and as for Odom i dont think he has the heart and desire to become a winner.If Odom ever decides to become more aggressive he would be awsome but he only does it like 50% of the time.I know Odom was playing out of his position last year but maybe this is the year he decides to become consitant.
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No, I wouldn't do it.
I might do a straight up trade Odom/Artest but I would definitely not do it if we had to give up Brown.
We are in very short supply of big men. Right now, if Kwame or Mihm get injured, we're screwed.
Also, coach Jackson's offense is predicated on Lamar Odom being the initiator. The triangle takes a lot of practice to master and a trade such as this at this time would be a bad idea. Also, you never know if Artest would go crazy again. There are other factors to take into account such as team chemistry. That's one of the reasons why we haven't seen Latrell Sprewell in a Laker unirorm, you don't know how that could affect team chemistry, attitude, etc. One of the reasons that the Spurs and Pistons have success is because of chemistry. We need to nurture that here and I have faith in the coaching staff that they can get that done.
Also, it's only the preseason so it's way too early to make any judgements yet.
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ron artest is one of the best defensive players in the NBA..his offensive ability is an added bonus
artest is known for his defense..he has the ability to shut a defender down by any means necessary
he mite b out of his fuckin mind sometimes but id love to have him on my side of the court
id only take odom/brown if i desperately needed a PF
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artest is a proven all star.defensive specailist
good trade
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no, i would stick with Odom and Brown and give em a good run at it
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Artest is kind of unpredictable....which can be a HUGE distraction. But you gotta remember, Phil won a championship in Chicago with Dennis Rodman on the team. True, they had Jordan and Pippen probably helpin control Dennis a little. But i think Phil could maybe get through to Artest. In the west...Artest would be a HUGE addition considering the strength of power forwards in the conference.
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Artest is kind of unpredictable....which can be a HUGE distraction. But you gotta remember, Phil won a championship in Chicago with Dennis Rodman on the team. True, they had Jordan and Pippen probably helpin control Dennis a little. But i think Phil could maybe get through to Artest. In the west...Artest would be a HUGE addition considering the strength of power forwards in the conference.
Too bad Artest is a small forward, huh?
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^^yeah but ronnie will play some pf this year and a little center aswell remember he is now at 260pounds.
if i was mitch i would do this in a heartbeat, as a pacer fan i would cry if this trade ever happened, not that theres anything wrong with kwame or odom but artest is that great
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^^yeah but ronnie will play some pf this year and a little center aswell remember he is now at 260pounds.
if i was mitch i would do this in a heartbeat, as a pacer fan i would cry if this trade ever happened, not that theres anything wrong with kwame or odom but artest is that great
holy fuck. dude prolly can't shoot for shit now though :D
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thats the scary thing that supposely he has improved his jump shot, jermaine also put on 20 pounds and is now at 265!
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Jermain is a beast...
Anyways, Odom alone has better career stats than Artest, just take a look at both their career numbers. Remember, they're both the same age, and both came into the league at the same time (Odom was drafted at number 4, while Artest was taken with the 16th pick). They also both play the same position. Odom is a longer and thinner build, while Artest has the stronger physique. But throughout their career, so far, Odom has posted the better numbers:
Odom career stats: PPG 16.0, FG% 44.5 , RPG 8.3, APG 4.3, BPG 1.10
Artest career stats: PPG 14.4, FG% 41.8, RPG 4.7, APG 3.0, BPG 0.60
Now lets add Odom and Kwame's career stats and put them up against Artest's to prove how ridiculous this trade would be:
Odom + Kwame combined career stats: PPG 23.7, RPG 13.8, APG 5.3, BPG 1.70
Artest career stats: PPG 14.4, RPG 4.7, APG 3.0, BPG 0.60
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That is kinda unfair to Artest. 2002 Was the first year Artest average more than 32 minutes per game. Odom has been averaging more than that since his rookie year
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Now lets add Odom and Kwame's career stats and put them up against Artest's to prove how ridiculous this trade would be:
Odom + Kwame combined career stats: PPG 23.7, RPG 13.8, APG 5.3, BPG 1.70
Artest career stats: PPG 14.4, RPG 4.7, APG 3.0, BPG 0.60
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LMAO.
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That is kinda unfair to Artest. 2002 Was the first year Artest average more than 32 minutes per game. Odom has been averaging more than that since his rookie year
It doesn't matter, there's a reason why he wasn't playing more than 32 minutes. It is very fair and easy to judge them by looking at their career stats, because they both came into the league the same year, both are the same age, both play the same position, both were drafted by whack teams and were traded to better ones...Shit, add the fact that Artest is a fucking moron who could snap at any second and wants to retire soon, and there's no reason why any sane person would make a trade like this...Shit, I highly doubt Mitch would trade Lamar alone for Artest, let alone Lamar AND Kwame. A trade like that can blow up in your face and earn you the title "worse GM ever"...PeACe
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There's something you dont find in them stats: it's the heart.
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Now lets add Odom and Kwame's career stats and put them up against Artest's to prove how ridiculous this trade would be:
Odom + Kwame combined career stats: PPG 23.7, RPG 13.8, APG 5.3, BPG 1.70
Artest career stats: PPG 14.4, RPG 4.7, APG 3.0, BPG 0.60
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LMAO.
Yes, after looking at those numbers, the original question in this thread seems hilarious.
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Hell yeah! Artest is the real deal - 11 (61.1%)
Hell no! Odom/Brown are the future of the NBA - 7 (38.9%)
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There's something you dont find in them stats: it's the heart.
Yes, that's an argument. But you don't trade two potential superstars for a moron with heart, especially when the potential superstars have posted up better numbers.
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Hell yeah! Artest is the real deal - 11 (61.1%)
Hell no! Odom/Brown are the future of the NBA - 7 (38.9%)
What's your point? I already stated that most people on this board would say yeah...They'd also say LeBron James is better than Kobe and the LA Clippers are better than the Lakers. LOL. You're seriously BLIND. Do you realize that you've swayed towards the notorious hater side of WCC?
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Who cares about sides? I am a man myself, i dont need to be in a clan, and i dont need to be labelled. I'm a free man. IMO Artest > Odom. Point. And i'll stop talking about it with you cause you're acting like i killed your dog.
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the reason was that the bulls didnt use artest, the 2004 Defensive player of the year, to his full potential!
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the reason was that the bulls didnt use artest, the 2004 Defensive player of the year, to his full potential!
What's your point? His seasons in Indiana (excluding his 7 game seaon) were also on the same level as Lamar Odom's...
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My point is that you cant use career numbers to illustrate a point in this situation, since both players have been put in different situations. Artest has never been the first option on a team to score. Also, Artest's value on defense is just way better than Odom
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There's something you dont find in them stats: it's the heart.
Yes, that's an argument. But you don't trade two potential superstars for a moron with heart, especially when the potential superstars have posted up better numbers.
exactly. id be hesitant to give up artest for odom just straight-up, no way in hell is he worth both odom AND kwame
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My point is that you cant use career numbers to illustrate a point in this situation, since both players have been put in different situations. Artest has never been the first option on a team to score. Also, Artest's value on defense is just way better than Odom
My point is that Kwame + Odom are currently more valuable than Artest, and could be EXTREMELY more valuable in the future.
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There, so we both make two different points without disagreeing with each other. lol
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In the future? Artest is 26, just like Odom.
My point is simply that Parker+ARTEST+Bryant+PF+Mihm > Parker+ODOM+Bryant+BROWN+Mihm
And, like i said in the first post (but nobody cared): "Obviously you had to acquire another PF."
So i'd rather trade to get another PF having Artest as my starting SG/SF than going with this roster.
Basically i'm saying Artest > Odom and that i'd rather trade to get a better PF than risking with Brown (considering we have no backups PF to help him if he'll fail).
You're making it like i killed your dog.
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You're making it like i killed your dog.
loooool!
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In the future? Artest is 26, just like Odom.
My point is simply that Parker+ARTEST+Bryant+PF+Mihm > Parker+ODOM+Bryant+BROWN+Mihm
And, like i said in the first post (but nobody cared): "Obviously you had to acquire another PF."
So i'd rather trade to get another PF having Artest as my starting SG/SF than going with this roster.
Basically i'm saying Artest > Odom and that i'd rather trade to get a better PF than risking with Brown (considering we have no backups PF to help him if he'll fail).
You're making it like i killed your dog.
Your point sucks. Artest has met his potential, he is currently playing the best basketball he possibly can after taking some time to develop. Now we have 2 players. One is currently in the developing stage (which Artest went through) and one has played on an all-star level in the past, but needs to learn how to utilize his skill to become a top 10 player in the NBA. Now imagine how dumb you'd feel if both Odom and Kwame developed into superstars and you traded them for Artest, but Artest is retiring the next year to make a country CD, while Odom and Kwame are on top of the league. That's why people don't make trades like these, because the possibilities can leave you with the label "worst GM ever"...You say that a Smush, Kobe, Artest, power forward acquisation, & Mihm line-up would be better than a Smush, Kobe, Odom, Kwame, & Mihm line-up, yet you have no idea how a system like that would work out...Who would be the initiator? Who is skilled enough to keep Kobe on the wing? Where will we find a power forward? Without Kwame, our power forward is Cook. Without Lamar, the plan to run the triangle is demolished...You have no clue what you're saying, give up the "Laker fan" title.
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In the future? Artest is 26, just like Odom.
My point is simply that Parker+ARTEST+Bryant+PF+Mihm > Parker+ODOM+Bryant+BROWN+Mihm
And, like i said in the first post (but nobody cared): "Obviously you had to acquire another PF."
So i'd rather trade to get another PF having Artest as my starting SG/SF than going with this roster.
Basically i'm saying Artest > Odom and that i'd rather trade to get a better PF than risking with Brown (considering we have no backups PF to help him if he'll fail).
You're making it like i killed your dog.
Your point sucks. Artest has met his potential, he is currently playing the best basketball he possibly can after taking some time to develop. Now we have 2 players. One is currently in the developing stage (which Artest went through) and one has played on an all-star level in the past, but needs to learn how to utilize his skill to become a top 10 player in the NBA. Now imagine how dumb you'd feel if both Odom and Kwame developed into superstars and you traded them for Artest, but Artest is retiring the next year to make a country CD, while Odom and Kwame are on top of the league. That's why people don't make trades like these, because the possibilities can leave you with the label "worst GM ever"...You say that a Smush, Kobe, Artest, power forward acquisation, & Mihm line-up would be better than a Smush, Kobe, Odom, Kwame, & Mihm line-up, yet you have no idea how a system like that would work out...Who would be the initiator? Who is skilled enough to keep Kobe on the wing? Where will we find a power forward? Without Kwame, our power forward is Cook. Without Lamar, the plan to run the triangle is demolished...You have no clue what you're saying, give up the "Laker fan" title.
I highly doubt Odom or Brown will be one day better than Artest . Plus there are differences between being a fan and being very subjective
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In the future? Artest is 26, just like Odom.
My point is simply that Parker+ARTEST+Bryant+PF+Mihm > Parker+ODOM+Bryant+BROWN+Mihm
And, like i said in the first post (but nobody cared): "Obviously you had to acquire another PF."
So i'd rather trade to get another PF having Artest as my starting SG/SF than going with this roster.
Basically i'm saying Artest > Odom and that i'd rather trade to get a better PF than risking with Brown (considering we have no backups PF to help him if he'll fail).
You're making it like i killed your dog.
Your point sucks. Artest has met his potential, he is currently playing the best basketball he possibly can after taking some time to develop. Now we have 2 players. One is currently in the developing stage (which Artest went through) and one has played on an all-star level in the past, but needs to learn how to utilize his skill to become a top 10 player in the NBA. Now imagine how dumb you'd feel if both Odom and Kwame developed into superstars and you traded them for Artest, but Artest is retiring the next year to make a country CD, while Odom and Kwame are on top of the league. That's why people don't make trades like these, because the possibilities can leave you with the label "worst GM ever"...You say that a Smush, Kobe, Artest, power forward acquisation, & Mihm line-up would be better than a Smush, Kobe, Odom, Kwame, & Mihm line-up, yet you have no idea how a system like that would work out...Who would be the initiator? Who is skilled enough to keep Kobe on the wing? Where will we find a power forward? Without Kwame, our power forward is Cook. Without Lamar, the plan to run the triangle is demolished...You have no clue what you're saying, give up the "Laker fan" title.
I highly doubt Odom or Brown will be one day better than Artest . Plus there are differences between being a fan and being very subjective
Just because you highly doubt that doesn't mean it's true. I mean, it wouldn't take much to surpass Ron Artest's level. The combination of Kwame + Odom will currently put up better numbers than Ron Artest by far. Imagine if they actually reached full potential...
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lol man the only point you have is to make a 2 players vs 1 combination?
Just combine Artest with a productive PF and good night again.
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lol man the only point you have is to make a 2 players vs 1 combination?
Just combine Artest with a productive PF and good night again.
Like a productive PF is easy to acquire? We have one now, why trade that away along with an all-star caliber player for one guy who can destroy your team in less than a second.
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lol man the only point you have is to make a 2 players vs 1 combination?
Just combine Artest with a productive PF and good night again.
Like a productive PF is easy to acquire? We have one now, why trade that away along with an all-star caliber player for one guy who can destroy your team in less than a second.
You're making it looks like Kwame Brown was a Saint in Washington.. Ask Wizard fans how Kwame tried to destroy their team! Anyway the answer is that the one who can destroy your team in less than a second can also make your team a contender one in less than a second, if he focus on basketball. And with Phil Jackson coaching him i like his chances. Parker, Kobe, Artest (what a defence!!!!), PF, C is 2/5 a real contender team. Just wait 1-2 more season to sign a big guy and you have the best team in the NBA. That's the plan. With Brown and Odom it's all about "let's hope they'll turn into superstars". Way more risky, cause in 2 years you might have to rebuild that team again.
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lol man the only point you have is to make a 2 players vs 1 combination?
Just combine Artest with a productive PF and good night again.
Like a productive PF is easy to acquire? We have one now, why trade that away along with an all-star caliber player for one guy who can destroy your team in less than a second.
You're making it looks like Kwame Brown was a Saint in Washington.. Ask Wizard fans how Kwame tried to destroy their team! Anyway the answer is that the one who can destroy your team in less than a second can also make your team a contender one in less than a second, if he focus on basketball. And with Phil Jackson coaching him i like his chances. Parker, Kobe, Artest (what a defence!!!!), PF, C is 2/5 a real contender team. Just wait 1-2 more season to sign a big guy and you have the best team in the NBA. That's the plan. With Brown and Odom it's all about "let's hope they'll turn into superstars". Way more risky, cause in 2 years you might have to rebuild that team again.
The plan is to acquire a top-notch superstar by 2007 or 2008, you dumbass. In the mean time, we have a lot of players with a lot of potential, the best basketball player in the world, and the best coach in the world to keep us a strong team. Kwame didn't destroy shit, everyone knows how Doug Collins and Michael Jordan would tag-team on him, and later Eddie Jordan had him in a bottemless pit...He's young as fuck, he still needs to learn and be coached. He has the skill, he has the talent, he has the physique, he has such a tremendous upside, and he's also been playing great this pre-season. He's going to be a beast...If Ron Artest reaches his full potential, he'll be great. If Kwame Brown reaches his full potential, he'll be AMAZING...There's just no reason in the world why this trade would be logical at all, given Odom & Kwame's upside and Artest's history, no fuckin way would this be a good trade...
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Do you guys realize how much you went front to back over a fantasy trade that will NEVER happen? :D
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Do you guys realize how much you went front to back over a fantasy trade that will NEVER happen? :D
We're not arguing about the trade, we're arguing about the logic behind the trade.
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It's just that you 2 got that subtle beef going on in the last couple of days.. it's some petty shit to me, there are people dying out there, those things do happen. You 2 basically argue about Lamar Odom for days. I mean Im not the one to tell people what they should talk about, but yeah, sorry to interrupt.
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It's just that you 2 got that subtle beef going on in the last couple of days.. it's some petty shit to me, there are people dying out there, those things do happen. You 2 basically argue about Lamar Odom for days. I mean Im not the one to tell people what they should talk about, but yeah, sorry to interrupt.
You're right. I mean i already posted days ago that i'm cool with him having a different opinion, and that only time will tell who's right. But we're talking about something different in the last posts. We're talking about the plan behind Lakers future, not about this simple trade. It's basically
OPTION 1 (hoping for the young non-supertars-yet Odom and Brown to eventually reach their full potential) or
OPTION 2 (trading them for a superstar-now player trying to convince other FA's to sign for the Lakers starting from 2 superstars and building the team around them, and using the 2007/08 FA to complete a contender team)
I go with Option 2, he goes with Option 1. But i aint the one dissing him. It's just that he takes everything personal, even when i say i dont think Odom is an all-star material yet.
Anyway i'm tired of opening the Sports & Entertainment section of this forum and everytime there's a new post by Nik who just cant accept me having a different opinion. Like i said, i didnt kill your dog, homie. And i'm a Laker fan too. I'd rather get a superstar player now, and rebuild the team around him and Kobe. You prefeer to delevope Brown and Odom (good luck) into superstars. But we're both Laker fans, lol. Just with a different idea on the 2007/08 plan.
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It's just that you 2 got that subtle beef going on in the last couple of days.. it's some petty shit to me, there are people dying out there, those things do happen. You 2 basically argue about Lamar Odom for days. I mean Im not the one to tell people what they should talk about, but yeah, sorry to interrupt.
You're right. I mean i already posted days ago that i'm cool with him having a different opinion, and that only time will tell who's right. But we're talking about something different in the last posts. We're talking about the plan behind Lakers future, not about this simple trade. It's basically
OPTION 1 (hoping for the young non-supertars-yet Odom and Brown to eventually reach their full potential) or
OPTION 2 (trading them for a superstar-now player trying to convince other FA's to sign for the Lakers starting from 2 superstars and building the team around them, and using the 2007/08 FA to complete a contender team)
I go with Option 2, he goes with Option 1. But i aint the one dissing him. It's just that he takes everything personal, even when i say i dont think Odom is an all-star material yet.
Anyway i'm tired of opening the Sports & Entertainment section of this forum and everytime there's a new post by Nik who just cant accept me having a different opinion. Like i said, i didnt kill your dog, homie. And i'm a Laker fan too. I'd rather get a superstar player now, and rebuild the team around him and Kobe. You prefeer to delevope Brown and Odom (good luck) into superstars. But we're both Laker fans, lol. Just with a different idea on the 2007/08 plan.
Antonio, you would seriously make this trade? Do you know what that means?
This means that Kobe would have to go back to being the initiator, which did not work last season and it ended up tiring him out and him being injured once again.
We would have either Cook or Slava as our starting PF :nawty: :oi: :puke: :puke: :puke:
Yes Artest is a great player, great defender, can score, etc.
With Kobe on the wing, that means he can just concentrate on just scoring without having to worry about being the playmaker.
LO prefers to be the initiator rather than being the scorer. Phil is capitalizing on the way LO likes to play, which will benefit the Lakers in the long run.
Kwame at the minimum will be a serviceable PF and at best could be a 15/8 type player, maybe better. This is much better than a Cook/Slava platoon at PF.
I think the Lakers are much better off keeping things the way they are instead of blowing up their team, especially with only 2 weeks left until opening day.
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The fact that you say Lamar Odom isn't all-star material yet when he's already proven so kills your whole argument...I don't know if you got this yet, but Option 2 has a lot more downsides to it than you think. You're acting like Lamar Odom and Kwame Brown are 2 no names, remember, Odom practically led the olympic team, he's considered a star player. And Kwame Brown has already proven himself to be an 11-8 guy with potential to be a WHOLE LOT more...You get what I'm saying?
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It's just that you 2 got that subtle beef going on in the last couple of days.. it's some petty shit to me, there are people dying out there, those things do happen. You 2 basically argue about Lamar Odom for days. I mean Im not the one to tell people what they should talk about, but yeah, sorry to interrupt.
You're right. I mean i already posted days ago that i'm cool with him having a different opinion, and that only time will tell who's right. But we're talking about something different in the last posts. We're talking about the plan behind Lakers future, not about this simple trade. It's basically
OPTION 1 (hoping for the young non-supertars-yet Odom and Brown to eventually reach their full potential) or
OPTION 2 (trading them for a superstar-now player trying to convince other FA's to sign for the Lakers starting from 2 superstars and building the team around them, and using the 2007/08 FA to complete a contender team)
I go with Option 2, he goes with Option 1. But i aint the one dissing him. It's just that he takes everything personal, even when i say i dont think Odom is an all-star material yet.
Anyway i'm tired of opening the Sports & Entertainment section of this forum and everytime there's a new post by Nik who just cant accept me having a different opinion. Like i said, i didnt kill your dog, homie. And i'm a Laker fan too. I'd rather get a superstar player now, and rebuild the team around him and Kobe. You prefeer to delevope Brown and Odom (good luck) into superstars. But we're both Laker fans, lol. Just with a different idea on the 2007/08 plan.
Antonio, you would seriously make this trade? Do you know what that means?
This means that Kobe would have to go back to being the initiator, which did not work last season and it ended up tiring him out and him being injured once again.
We would have either Cook or Slava as our starting PF :nawty: :oi: :puke: :puke: :puke:
Yes Artest is a great player, great defender, can score, etc.
With Kobe on the wing, that means he can just concentrate on just scoring without having to worry about being the playmaker.
LO prefers to be the initiator rather than being the scorer. Phil is capitalizing on the way LO likes to play, which will benefit the Lakers in the long run.
Kwame at the minimum will be a serviceable PF and at best could be a 15/8 type player, maybe better. This is much better than a Cook/Slava platoon at PF.
I think the Lakers are much better off keeping things the way they are instead of blowing up their team, especially with only 2 weeks left until opening day.
Thank God...Somebody else on this board has a brain.
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Antonio, you would seriously make this trade? Do you know what that means?
This means that Kobe would have to go back to being the initiator, which did not work last season and it ended up tiring him out and him being injured once again.
Why Kobe? Artest can do it. And Odom is "struggling", according to Phil. "He's struggling. He still has a ways to go and some recognition of what it takes. We're a long ways from saying you've got to throw the baby out with the bath water in this situation. We really think that the upside of our team is with him at that position. We could go back to Kobe playing that position, but that’s going to take a lot of leg out of him, put a lot of pressure on the rest of the team. This is a situation I think that we all look forward to trying to experiment with". Those are the last comments of Phil Jackson about Odom. And i remember you Odom is averaging 10 points in 6 exhibitions and has made only 15 of 43 shots (34.9%). He has a team-high 26 assists but also a team-high 20 turnovers. So he's still a working project, nothing sure. So we're starting from 0. So we could do it with another player too, let's say Artest (it's the first name i have in my mind right now). He can do the initiator too. Shit even Spree can. It's not that hard. Even Walton can.
We would have either Cook or Slava as our starting PF :nawty: :oi: :puke: :puke: :puke:
No. I said in the first post (have you all read it?) that obviously Lakers had to trade somebody to get a better PF than.. nobody! Basically Caron Butler and Chucky Atkins for a good PF. Let's say Magloire? Parker, Artest, Bryant, Mihm, Magloire. It sounds like a better team to me.
Yes Artest is a great player, great defender, can score, etc.
With Kobe on the wing, that means he can just concentrate on just scoring without having to worry about being the playmaker.
LO prefers to be the initiator rather than being the scorer. Phil is capitalizing on the way LO likes to play, which will benefit the Lakers in the long run.
Put Artest in the place of Odom and it's the same, if not better. Ok, no mismatches and shit, but on the other side you have the best defender in the NBA and a guy who can go 1 on 1 against everybody, using his body probably better than Odom.
Kwame at the minimum will be a serviceable PF and at best could be a 15/8 type player, maybe better. This is much better than a Cook/Slava platoon at PF.
Once again compare him to Magloire (Butler+Atkins trade). Or to another good PF.
I think the Lakers are much better off keeping things the way they are instead of blowing up their team, especially with only 2 weeks left until opening day.
Obviously now it's too late. But Buss said something might happens soon... have you heard it?
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Hell no Artest is a fukin idiot he is not goin to be in the league for long. Odom and Brown are really goin to shine under Phil Jackson.
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Why Kobe? Artest can do it. And Odom is "struggling", according to Phil. "He's struggling. He still has a ways to go and some recognition of what it takes. We're a long ways from saying you've got to throw the baby out with the bath water in this situation. We really think that the upside of our team is with him at that position. We could go back to Kobe playing that position, but that’s going to take a lot of leg out of him, put a lot of pressure on the rest of the team. This is a situation I think that we all look forward to trying to experiment with". Those are the last comments of Phil Jackson about Odom. And i remember you Odom is averaging 10 points in 6 exhibitions and has made only 15 of 43 shots (34.9%). He has a team-high 26 assists but also a team-high 20 turnovers. So he's still a working project, nothing sure. So we're starting from 0. So we could do it with another player too, let's say Artest (it's the first name i have in my mind right now). He can do the initiator too. Shit even Spree can. It's not that hard. Even Walton can.
Artest the initiator? Walton the initiator? LMFAOOO...Now I know you're kidding. The only reason Odom was even considered for the initiator job was because of his tremendous ball handeling and passing skills for his large frame. Artest is a wing player himself, it would make no sense to use him as the initiator. Same with Sprewell. You might as well come up with a new offense...
No. I said in the first post (have you all read it?) that obviously Lakers had to trade somebody to get a better PF than.. nobody! Basically Caron Butler and Chucky Atkins for a good PF. Let's say Magloire? Parker, Artest, Bryant, Mihm, Magloire. It sounds like a better team to me.
Where would we get Caron Butler and Chucky Atkins back from? LMAO...We traded them for Kwame. Nice try, genius.
Put Artest in the place of Odom and it's the same, if not better. Ok, no mismatches and shit, but on the other side you have the best defender in the NBA and a guy who can go 1 on 1 against everybody, using his body probably better than Odom.
Artest would be a better initiator than Odom? Did a fuckin anvil drop on your head? Odom was drafted with expectations of being a Magic Johnson type player. Artest is not known for his passing and ball handeling like Odom is... :-X
Once again compare him to Magloire (Butler+Atkins trade). Or to another good PF.
Once again, we already traded Butler+Atkins for Kwame. And Butler+Atkins for Magloire would be a fuckin HORRIBLE trade anyways. Magloire has played his prime years and is nothing but a role player with 1 lucky past all-star appearance (which he stole from Odom). Trading Butler alone for him would be idiotic...
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Man i'm starting to believe you're really retard! I know we traded Butler and Atkins for Brown and Profit, fool. What i'm saying is that i didnt like that trade, and that instead of making that trade we could have traded them 2 players for a better big man, like Magloire. He doesnt have the same potential as Brown, probably, but he's an All-Star player ready to contribute now. Put P.J. Brown and - i dunno - Vlade Divac in the deal, to match salaries, and you have two big men ready to help Kobe now.
PARKER (McKie), BRYANT (Walton), ARTEST (George), PJ BROWN (Cook), MAGLOIRE (Mihm)
It looks like a better team than the actual one.
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Man i'm starting to believe you're really retard! I know we traded Butler and Atkins for Brown and Profit, fool. What i'm saying is that i didnt like that trade, and that instead of making that trade we could have traded them 2 players for a better big man, like Magloire. He doesnt have the same potential as Brown, probably, but he's an All-Star player ready to contribute now. Put P.J. Brown and - i dunno - Vlade Divac in the deal, to match salaries, and you have two big men ready to help Kobe now.
PARKER (McKie), BRYANT (Walton), ARTEST (George), PJ BROWN (Cook), MAGLOIRE (Mihm)
It looks like a better team than the actual one.
LMAO. I'm the retard?...The point is, if we traded Chucky Atkins and Caron Butler for Kwame Brown, and we traded Kwame Brown and Lamar Odom for Ron Artest, we wouldn't have Chucky Atkins and Caron Butler to trade again, you FUCKING MORON...Please make sense.
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(http://www.detnews.com/pix/2004/11/22/sports/se22-artest-1104y-2.jpg) V.S. (http://www.mysanantonio.com/multimedia/slideshows/show_410/BKN_1106_spurs2_odom_ap.jpg)
LMAO. Pretty much sums it all up.
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Ok. That trade was not possible at all since there's no way in hell Indiana is trading Artest (unless it's for Kobe). Phil wants to use Odom as our point forward and he's looking forward at him, using him as our real additional weapon to make the difference. Phil and the whole organization trusted Kwame Brown so much to trade Butler and Atkins for him. Phil is comfortable with this roster and he aint asking for changes, even if Buss said he will probably move some players again. It's pointless to continue to argue about possible different scenarios, expecially Artest to L.A., which is impossible. Odom and Brown have the potential to turn into superstar players. But it's a long run, and it's really risky for us. They can continue being normal/good players like they are now or change their level into superstars level. It's up to them. And to Phil Jackson. I think it's time to stop beefing over that. I personally think it was better to trade them for a better solid player (Artest, Lewis, etc..) and/or not to trade Butler and Atkins to get Kwame. But they did it and i'm down with it. I'll judge the plan in june. Peace.
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(http://www.detnews.com/pix/2004/11/22/sports/se22-artest-1104y-2.jpg) V.S. (http://www.mysanantonio.com/multimedia/slideshows/show_410/BKN_1106_spurs2_odom_ap.jpg)
LMAO. Pretty much sums it all up.
Lets sum it up a little better...
(http://sports.espn.go.com/media/nba/2003/0128/photo/a_artest_i.jpg)
(http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/news/2003/01/29/artest_suspension_ap/t1_artest_ap.jpg)
(http://web.knoxnews.com/silence/archives/artest.jpg)
(http://onfinite.com/libraries/188148/390.jpg)
(http://www.brendoman.com/hippydave/artest.jpeg)
(http://www.geocities.com/tzovas/gallery/artest_funny.jpg)
(http://images.sportsline.com/u/photos/basketball/nba/img7332532.jpg)
vs.
(http://www.jefflewisphotography.com/adm/photo/147_LamarOdomPassing.jpg)
(http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/050311/050311_mg_lakers_playoffs_vlg11a.widec.jpg)
(http://gfx.dagbladet.no/sport/2004/05/13/heat1.jpg)
(http://media.mnginteractive.com/media/paper205/lakers200_013105.jpg)
(http://www.joeiverson.com/Library/OdomNew/mh_odom_run.jpg)
(http://www.joeiverson.com/Library/OdomNew/lac_odom_sfw.jpg)
(http://www.nba.com/media/pacers/artest2_210_040518.jpg)
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Ok. That trade was not possible at all since there's no way in hell Indiana is trading Artest (unless it's for Kobe). Phil wants to use Odom as our point forward and he's looking forward at him, using him as our real additional weapon to make the difference. Phil and the whole organization trusted Kwame Brown so much to trade Butler and Atkins for him. Phil is comfortable with this roster and he aint asking for changes, even if Buss said he will probably move some players again. It's pointless to continue to argue about possible different scenarios, expecially Artest to L.A., which is impossible. Odom and Brown have the potential to turn into superstar players. But it's a long run, and it's really risky for us. They can continue being normal/good players like they are now or change their level into superstars level. It's up to them. And to Phil Jackson. I think it's time to stop beefing over that. I personally think it was better to trade them for a better solid player (Artest, Lewis, etc..) and/or not to trade Butler and Atkins to get Kwame. But they did it and i'm down with it. I'll judge the plan in june. Peace.
Lewis? LMAO...Rashard Lewis? I hope you didn't just imply that trading Odom & Kwame for Lewis would be good...Odom right now > Lewis right now. Odom's potential >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lewis' potential.
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Ok man. Kobe=Jordan. Odom=Pippen. Brown=Rodman. Those Lakers=them Bulls.
Are you happy now? ;D
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Ok man. Kobe=Jordan. Odom=Pippen. Brown=Rodman. Those Lakers=them Bulls.
Are you happy now? ;D
Did I ever say that? LOL. Do you realize you sound IDENTICLE to every Laker hater who ever posted here... :-X
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Some of them aint haters. Some of them just have good times fooling you, cause you give them great assists.
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Ok man. Kobe=Jordan. Odom=Pippen. Brown=Rodman. Those Lakers=them Bulls.
Are you happy now? ;D
Let me fix this...
Kobe<Jordan
Kobe in a year or two=Jordan (maybe) in terms of pure indivdual skill
Odom<<pipen
Brown<<Rodman
Those Lakers<<<<<<<<<<<<them Bulls
200 posts. All Right
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Some of them aint haters. Some of them just have good times fooling you, cause you give them great assists.
"fooling you"? LMAO...At least speak good english if you're gunna attempt to clown.
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Sorry. They are having a good time making you look like a fool clowning you. Is it better now? ::)
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Sorry. They are having a good time making you look like a fool clowning you. Is it better now? ::)
Nobody's clowning me...The fact that you've sided with those against your team proves who's the real clown around here.
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Come on NIK, a fan can have different opinions on players. You should see how divided the Dodger fans are right now. It's almost like a democrat/republican debate
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The funny thing is that he's dissing himself cause, like i've reported in another topic, he's the one who said the same exact things just a couple of months ago. Lession one: always respect other people's opinion. Lession two: watch yourself.
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Come on NIK, a fan can have different opinions on players. You should see how divided the Dodger fans are right now. It's almost like a democrat/republican debate
It's not about the opinions, it's about the extreme pessimism, which a real fan is known to not show...I know Antonio wouldn't understand that, so I directed it to you in hopes that you can explain it to him in "slow terms"...
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Extreme pessimism? I said Kwame is a bust. You too. I said Odom aint a superstar and he should be more aggressive. You too. I said i hated the Brown trade. You too. But you changed your opinions because Jabbar and Phil Jackson said they liked the Brown trade, and that Odom will be the key of the next season. I just aint "that" dickrider. And i prefeer to watch changes in those two players on the floor. Not just in Phil's opinion about them. To be a fan has nothing to do with portraying Brown as a bust while he's in Washington and praising him like the trade of the year after a Phil interview (and after you hated on that trade). Get it. Fool.
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Lying again? I never said I "hated" the trade, and I kept faith even when I said the trade wasn't good, unlike your incompetent ass. I still don't like the trade THAT much. I definitely think losing Butler sucks, and it still can turn out for the worse, but I, unlike you, show optimism like a fan, as opposed to pessimism like a hater...Fool.
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The Brown trade was alright the west is filled with good P/F. Altough Brown hasnt lived up to his hype he is a true P/F unlike Odom who is a S/F. So the trad makes sense because Butler was alright but not better than Odom and got over excited at times and made stupid plays. As far as the Artest trade it would be stupid and will never happen.