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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Jome on November 15, 2005, 05:42:07 PM
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50 CENT
"In Da Club"
Producer: Dr. Dre
Engineer: Vito (Mauricio Iragorri)
"With 50, he's an artist with such an amazing voice," says Vito. "You just put him behind a microphone and it just sounds good! My job is make sure it doesn't distort and it's not overloading. While he's vibing and doing his thing, I'm scrambling to make sure nothing is going wrong with the signal path."
"Recording vocals with Dre is a meticulous process," Vito reveals. "There are some exceptions, like 50 is an exception. There are some people that just do it, and there's not much punching involved. And there are other people who need a lot of punching, and that means maybe a couple words at a time until all the rhythm and the pockets are correct. Dre has an amazing sense of rhythm. He hears all these crazy rhythms in the vocal and, because he's a rapper as well, he knows how it should be performed. As a producer he's great, but as a rapper he knows what pocket they should be hitting and he can really coach someone well. Working with Dre on vocals is cool because you get to see how he directs someone and they actually sound the best they've ever sounded."
Signal Path: Tracking
"I like my vocals to sound 'crystal,'" says Dre. "I use the Sony C800-G for vocals because it has a clean sound and about 85% of the people that get behind it sound great. My main objective is that the vocal sound is present and clean and ultimately does not distort. I get the sound I want out of the EQ on the SSL. We've used it forever and have made many hits on it, including 50's 'In Da Club.'"
"We come from the Sony C800-G and out of that into the Neve 1073 mic pre," explains Vito. "We don't use the EQ, because most of the time it sounds good flat. If there's a need for it we'll engage it, but for 50 Cent on 'In Da Club' we didn't use any EQ. Then we took it out of the Neve mic pre into the Avalon 737-SP compressor. It's a mic pre with EQ, and it actually has a compressor, but we're not using any of the mic pre on the Avalon - we're just going straight into the line input. From the output of the Neve it goes into the line input of the Avalon, which allows you to use the compressor alone. We set the compression ratio around 7:1 and the threshold usually hovers at around 0. I set it at a medium attack and fast release. I'd say we're using around 3 or 4 dB of compression, sometimes up to 7 dB. On 'In Da Club' it was about 4 or 5. Then it comes back into the SSL 4000 G with E modules (at Encore Studio) and we bring it back on the insert.
"There's a patch on the patch bay that says 'insert return,'" he continues, "and that's where we bring the vocal back into the insert return, because it's the shortest patch before you actually hear the vocal. It has the least amount of circuitry of anything in the channel, so you're bypassing the EQ, the dynamics. You could use it all, but if you really want the shortest, cleanest signal, that's the way to go. Then we bus it out to Pro Tools HD and we use the small fader to send it to PT. That's about it."
Discovery
"The way we came to this chain is - a while ago, when I first started out, I was assisting for Dr. Dre," says Vito. "I noticed how their engineer was doing it and it sounded good. The records sounded amazing, so when Dre hired me to engineer, I told him, 'Ya gotta buy some of these,' and he bought some 1073s. I had heard for a long time that they were really good mic pre's to run vocals through. At Encore, where I was assisting, they had one there, and anytime we were doing a session we would always run vocals through it. So when I saw Dre doing it, it was just cool seeing a rap guy using a 1073! That's how we came up with it. As for the compressor, it's just a good tube-sounding compressor. Sometimes we use the dbx 160 - the original - as an alternate compressor; it sounds good and we've used that on a lot of records."
Signal Path: Mixdown
The Yamaha SPX-1000 played a prominent role in mixdown. "We used a REV-5 room setting," says Vito. "There are a couple patches in there that sound really good. They're old reverbs and they're not the best nor most expensive, but they sound good, they're reliable, and that's all that matters! For R&B the Lexicon reverbs sound great. They work good for R&B, but for rap the SPX works good. We've used Lexicon's before too and they work okay. It's depends on the song and the artist and what you're looking for in the song. Like on Eve's stuff we used the SPX-1000, too."
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"With 50, he's an artist with such an amazing voice," says Vito.
wtf :eh:
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wow i didnt know theres was that much involved/necessary for JUST the recording process
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good read...thanks jome
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wow i didnt know theres was that much involved/necessary for JUST the recording process
no shit !!
and mauzip, 50 does have a good voice... cant deny that, his lazy flow and voice is what allows him to appeal to the main-stream... before he got shot he was spittin good lyrics, that didnt let him go platnum...
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his voice is great ::)
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thanks for the post 8)
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wow i didnt know theres was that much involved/necessary for JUST the recording process
Word plus I like 50's voice,its just his rhymes arent too good :P
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That article pretty much went over my head :-\
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"With 50, he's an artist with such an amazing voice," says Vito.
wtf :eh:
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man this is like everything I'm learning at school, no more!
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wow i didnt know theres was that much involved/necessary for JUST the recording process
no shit !!
and mauzip, 50 does have a good voice... cant deny that, his lazy flow and voice is what allows him to appeal to the main-stream... before he got shot he was spittin good lyrics, that didnt let him go platnum...
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wow i didnt know theres was that much involved/necessary for JUST the recording process
no shit !!
and mauzip, 50 does have a good voice... cant deny that, his lazy flow and voice is what allows him to appeal to the main-stream... before he got shot he was spittin good lyrics, that didnt let him go platnum...
the heavy rotation appeals to the mainstream, not his lazy flow and voice ::)
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wow i didnt know theres was that much involved/necessary for JUST the recording process
Yeah man, I just thought the voice was recorded on a harddrive or a tape and then mixed into the record. But damn.
As for 50's voice - yeah he's got an OK voice, but he often messes up with his lazy flow and more and more often bad lyrics. Dude just doesn't put his back into it when writing/rapping, just does it sort of half-assed.
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Props Jome.
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yea, this shit is like what i'm learning in school right now. so i understood it to a degree. the equipment they were mentioning, i'm not yet familiar with though. but yeah. i'm gonna copy and save this. this is awesome informatiion. thanks for posting this.
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Sony C800-G
(http://www.soniccircus.com/store/graphics/00000001/bignails/sony_bignails/sonyc800g_big.gif)
Neve 1073 mic pre
(http://www.cathedralstone.net/Pics/Neve1073.jpg)
Avalon 737-SP compressor
(http://www.shaysstudio.ie/images/avalon.jpg)
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wow i didnt know theres was that much involved/necessary for JUST the recording process
no shit !!
and mauzip, 50 does have a good voice... cant deny that, his lazy flow and voice is what allows him to appeal to the main-stream... before he got shot he was spittin good lyrics, that didnt let him go platnum...
the heavy rotation appeals to the mainstream, not his lazy flow and voice ::)
so youre saying if a song is heavily rotated it will appeal to the main-stream ? explain.. i'm sure up'n'da'club was always going to hit, it got heavy rotation because EVERYONE liked it.
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i basically use the "same equipment" when i record (only it's about a million dollars cheaper), so I understood most of it... i'm not that advanced when it comes to the post-production tho...
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:sleep:
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ive read this a while back, nice find. Propz
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I just hit the record button and start rapping.
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Where is this from? Is it from scratch mag?
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I just hit the record button and start rapping.
There's really nothing else you can do until someone signs you, then u get all that fancy equipment to go from 90% to 100% sound quality :)
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I just hit the record button and start rapping.
There's really nothing else you can do until someone signs you, then u get all that fancy equipment to go from 90% to 100% sound quality :)
I was just trying to be funny but obviously I failed miserably. I actually fuck with a 6 figure studio. Not the best of the best, but it sounds nice.
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On 2001 Dre used the RS-120 condenser mic. I like the vocals on that album > GRODT
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I just hit the record button and start rapping.
There's really nothing else you can do until someone signs you, then u get all that fancy equipment to go from 90% to 100% sound quality :)
there's ALOT more you can do ;)
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Where do you guys go to school that were talking about learning this type of shit? I've got an engineering school picked out but Im curious where you guys are at and what you think of it.
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thats a nice little post....where did you get if from??????
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Very interesting article, indeed.
I would like to hear how would 50 cent sound with the equipment I use:
(http://img.engadget.com/common/images/3597373394983584.JPG?0.9715456221776335)
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Interesting read. Thanks man.