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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: infinite59 on April 05, 2002, 09:20:35 PM
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Why do they act like 2pac was crazy and out of control?
Because he smoke and drank alot? So do millions of Americans. Ask any frat kid, America is full of raging alchoholics and potheads. Hell, our parents and teachers fit that description.
Because he was violent? With whom? Who did he beat up? He shot at a cop once in self defense. And even the courts felt he was justified in doing so.
Because he was misogynistic? Once again, he's nothing compared to your average frat punk... 2pac may have said bitch, and fucked alot of bitches, but he wasn't pulling R Kelly shit and dropping date rape drugs in womens drinks like they do at frat parties..... he was too busy recording song's like "Baby Don't Cry" and "Dear Mama".
Because he was a rapper? Who rapped about death and killing people? He was shot, so obviously he wasn't puttin on a show. He really had people out to kill him, and he really had enemies
Conclusion. Your average frat kid is crazier and more wild and out of control then 2pac was. 2pac was our generations prophet, a thug angel, may he rest in peace, and let us speak posotively of Pac in his absence. He was not the demon the media and the devils made him out to be. The world is a better place because of him. Peace.
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I just feel that tupac (from interviews, and what I know of his last days) was very confused, I feel that he had turned into a hypocrite, and was partially being pimped by Suge Knight.
ha, that's all. I'll elaborate when I have more time.
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i agree infinite......
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Have you ever met a REAL "frat kid"? I belong to a FRATERNITY, not a frat. As an example, would you call your country a "cunt"?
Just because you have had a few bad experiences with members of fraternities doesn’t mean that all fraternity members are bad... That would be like me saying that because I met one Muslim that I didn’t like, all Muslims were like bad.
My fraternity prides itself in strengthening the community. We had over 1500 hours of community service last term, and donated over $5,000 to the red cross. My Fraternity also prides itself in education. Our house GPA was a 3.2 last year. Close to a half point above the all men’s average at my university. We also pride ourselves in brotherhood. Its very nice to know that I have 34 of my best friends at my side that will back me up through think and thin without hesitation.
The only time you hear about fraternities in today’s news is when they screw up. This paints the image that all Fraternities are date-rapists, and abercromie geeks. You jumped on the media bandwagon and went along with the dribble that they feed people you about wonderfull organizations. I wish you would know more about a subject before you tear it apart and use it as an example for all that is wrong in the world today.
I understand the point that you are trying to get across about Tupac, but I wish you could come up with a better example that a stereotype you picked up from a movie.
Sorry if I came off as rude, but when somebody attacks something that I hold dearly, I get upset. I wish that you could understand that the animal house stereotype is long dead. If fraternities were really like that, universities would have outlawed them long ago. If you want to know anything else, please don’t hesitate to respond.
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I just feel that tupac (from interviews, and what I know of his last days) was very confused, I feel that he had turned into a hypocrite, and was partially being pimped by Suge Knight.
ha, that's all. I'll elaborate when I have more time.
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I wouldn't say he was crazy & had no control atall over his actions...BUT alot of things he did do in his later years did make him come off as a bit confused & raged. I mean just look at that scuffle he had with Orlando Anderson & them...over a chain...& look at when he spat at those reporters. Back when he was like 17 he was basically a very peaceful brotha, just look at his poems & that interview he had back then...they reflect how he was. I think his jail time ultimately made him angry..infact he said so himself....he basically told us that if he goes in there it will only make him worse. He wasn't a bad person...no way...he had heart. Like you've said some of the things he did your everyday average person does for kicks....but 'Pac did have issues on top of that...he was angry, the justice system failed him & he was mocked & continuesly judged by the media. Being a second generation black panther couldn't of helped much either....having your family constantly watched.....& having a once drug addict of a mother adds more tension on top of that. I don't think 'Pac was crazy...he was just human. & your right..I can't speak for everybody else but my world is definately a better place because of him & his music.
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i kind of agree
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I def. agree with 704D, I'm not saying pac was evil or nothin. I'm just saying that he was confused, mainly because he was human like everyone else. I think i'm hypocritical all the time.
But, my biggest problem with him was, he was a friekin' POET. He was an actor. he was a deep lyricist.
Instead, his last few years, he tried to play up his 'thug' image, acting like he was this big strong hand, when in reality, he wasn't like that inside, he wasn't a gangsta, he was a poet. Why didn't he just act like one?
Answer= Suge Knight.
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If you see THUG IMMORTAL DVD, there's an old fool who says something really interesting about Pac. Basically he says that Tupac wasnt really a leader. He WANTED to be a leader. He wanted to be THE man. Everywhere. But basically he wasnt a leader. He was damn attracted by Suge and his charisma as a Gangsta and as a man. So that's why in his last year he wasnt the real Pac. He tryed to live by the gun, acting like a thug, but it wasnt his real life no more. He wasnt really out of control. He was just trying to be the best "capo" of Death Row possible. The vice of Suge. SUGE was the man, and 2Pac liked him for real. Suge was like his model. I mean.. Pac always rapped about Gangsters and shit.. And Suge? Suge WAS a real Gangsta. The gangsta he rapped about. And he made Death Row. He signed Snoop and Dre, making them famous. He paid him a lot for a track (for a soundtrack) when he wasnt even signed. And Suge didnt used the track. And he still paid 2Pac. They were cool. And Suge bailed him out from jail! So he looked at him like a great man. And that's how i explain 2Pac calling Dr.Dre a gay (cause he was trying to do the best for Death Row, and probably Suge was mad at Dre. I dont know, but maybe Suge asked Pac to diss Dre, not sure. But that's the approach Pac had about that situation). That's how i explain 2Pac always supporting Death Row, making their chain the most importal piece of metal ever for hip-hop (like Suge said).
Pac wasnt a bitch. He wasnt a real gangsta, a pussy. He wasnt confused because of weed or hennessy. Etc..
Pac was just complicated. AND REMEMBER ONE FUCKING THING: HE DIED AT 25, NOT 35!!! HE WAS A YOUNG BLACK MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you take a young black male from jail, giving him some billions, making him the most famous black man of America after MJ etc.. do you think he can be 100% mature to face this new situation? And to face jail? And to face his best homies dying every week? And to face all this pressure? And to face media filming him even in his bathroom taking a shit? I mean.. c'mon.. we dont have to look at those rappers like they God, or like they are a model or actors. That's where the media is wrong. Those guys are just some young black men who became multi millionaire and famous in just 2-3 years. From nothing to MTV and Movies. From no money to buy some shoes to Versace inviting them.
Look at Snoop. How many mistakes me made in his early years at Death Row? Damn!! A lot. WHY? Cause he suffered of the same problem. And he was just YOUNG!
Now Snoop is not making the same mistakes no more. He's cool with the media. He's cool with everyone. He ain the NY Killa no more. He isnt even using the word "nigga" no more, etc.. But he's 30 or something now. He's older. And he aint fucking with Suge no more. He suffered back in the days, but now he's out and, after risking his own life, and after his homie Pac passed away, he realized that he was walking in the wrong direction.
Pac just died first.
That's how i see it.
Holla.
P.S.
Remember Pac had no fucking father. No family. His mother was/is a crackhead. His best homies died when he was still 20.. The only family he had were Death Row and Outlawz!
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Remember Pac had no fucking father. No family. His mother was/is a crackhead. His best homies died when he was still 20.. The only family he had were Death Row and Outlawz!
Nope, Outlawz waz cool wit him and in some cases were his bitches, He did NOT consider them family.
He hanged around DeathRow because of business, He knew wat Suge waz all about and he waz wit him because he had to be Suge basically gave him Freedom, Again He did NOT consider them family.
His Real family waz all his Bay Area homies like Shock G, Richie Rich, Money B and them ladies that took care of him when his mom waz an addict etc. and also some of his NY peoples like Treach who were down wit from way back when.
And wats Ironic is that they dont talk about him much, They dont live off 2pac's nuts like tha Outlawz and Death Row sometimes.......
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Have you ever met a REAL "frat kid"? I belong to a FRATERNITY, not a frat. As an example, would you call your country a "cunt"?
Several of my friends from highschool are in fraternaties. And I've visited them in colleges from MU, to Duke, to SMS, to CMSU... dogg... I've been around plenty of frat kids..... so it makes the whole rest of your post irrelevent.
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Several of my friends from highschool are in fraternaties. And I've visited them in colleges from MU, to Duke, to SMS, to CMSU... dogg... I've been around plenty of frat kids..... so it makes the whole rest of your post irrelevent.
Your logic is flawed. If I was use your logic I could say: "I know several Muslims. I don’t like them; therefore I don’t like all Muslims." This off the wall statement is not true, but hopefully you can see the point I am trying to make.
You are giving in to a media stereotype. I wish you would stop being so closed minded, and ignorant.
And you haven’t been around REAL Fraternity members. You have been around people that are involved in a social organization. Real fraternities are more than just a social organization. I wish that you could understand that not all fraternities condone Alcoholism and the objectification of women, but help make their community stronger.
-Engelwood
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Your logic is flawed. If I was use your logic I could say: "I know several Muslims. I don’t like them; therefore I don’t like all Muslims." This off the wall statement is not true, but hopefully you can see the point I am trying to make.
You are giving in to a media stereotype. I wish you would stop being so closed minded, and ignorant.
And you haven’t been around REAL Fraternity members. You have been around people that are involved in a social organization. Real fraternities are more than just a social organization. I wish that you could understand that not all fraternities condone Alcoholism and the objectification of women, but help make their community stronger.
-Engelwood
The media? WTF? I'm buying into the media? No, I've seen the shit with my own eyes. The media doesn't give a shit about college fraternaties. And yes, my logic is flawed, and yes I am stereotyping, I'll cop to that. But ignorant? Ignorant means uncultured you dumb muthafucker, it doesn't mean stereotyping.
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If you would have read my first post, you could have understood...
Ill put it in here again.
"The only time you hear about fraternities in today’s news is when they screw up. This paints the image that all Fraternities are date-rapists, and abercromie geeks. You jumped on the media bandwagon and went along with the dribble that they feed people you about wonderfull organizations..."
Here is a definition of ignorant:
ig·no·rant Pronunciation Key (gnr-nt)
adj.
1.) Lacking education or knowledge.
2.) Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
3.) Unaware or uninformed.
I'd say that on the subject of Fraternities, you are ignorant.
-Engelwood
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If you would have read my first post, you could have understood...
Ill put it in here again.
"The only time you hear about fraternities in today’s news is when they screw up. This paints the image that all Fraternities are date-rapists, and abercromie geeks. You jumped on the media bandwagon and went along with the dribble that they feed people you about wonderfull organizations..."
Here is a definition of ignorant:
ig·no·rant Pronunciation Key (gnr-nt)
adj.
1.) Lacking education or knowledge.
2.) Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
3.) Unaware or uninformed.
I'd say that on the subject of Fraternities, you are ignorant.
-Engelwood
Where in your definition does it say stereotyping? And the definition in my oxford dictionary sums up all 4 of your definitions in one word.
ignorant= uncultured.
And you said I'm feeding into the media's image of fraternaties. Wrong. I've been to about 5 schools and hung out with my friends and their frat brothers... That's where my opinions on college fraternaties comes from. And you only add to my bias against frat boy's.
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How do I add to your bias? What have I done to give a bad name to fraternities?
How is donating time and money to my community ignorant?
How is having a house GPA of 3.2 ignorant?
How is brotherhood ignorant?
Perhaps you are visiting the wrong schools. I’m not saying all fraternities are as great as mine, and some are damn near scary, but for you to base all your views on fraternities off of your dealings with the few you have been around with is pure ignorance.
I would like you to post up the exact definition thats in your oxford dictionary. I hope you arent telling me that you own the actual OED, cause it has multiple books and costs a great deal of money. In fact, it is $550 to subscribe to it online.
Just a note: It’s not usually a good idea to start a sentence with "And". And I will be going to the library on Monday to visit the OED and get you the proper definition. ;-)
-Engelwood
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How do I add to your bias? What have I done to give a bad name to fraternities?
-Judging from what I've read from you on the board, your an arrogant groupie, who probably pays bitches to have sex with him.
How is donating time and money to my community ignorant?
-That is not ignorant, I never called you ignorant, and I never called donating money to communities ignorant. So that statement is false on two accounts.
How is having a house GPA of 3.2 ignorant?
-When did I say that? But congratulations. However I don't measure intelligence by grade point average, your weak mentally and morally, I don't care what the grade card says, I use something called intuition.
How is brotherhood ignorant?
-Never said it was ignorant. But I think it's weak that you have to pay for your pussy, and pay for your friends.
Perhaps you are visiting the wrong schools. I’m not saying all fraternities are as great as mine, and some are damn near scary, but for you to base all your views on fraternities off of your dealings with the few you have been around with is pure ignorance.
-No, I agree that I am stereotyping, I don't feel like doing a tour accross America to meet one frat guy who doesn't fit my stereotype. And as a group, as a whole, ya'll fit my description. And by the way, you can start sentences with and.
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"Judging from what I've read from you on the board, you’re an arrogant groupie, who probably pays bitches to have sex with him."
-Just because you lost an argument, doesn’t mean you have to attack me personally! If you want to change minds, deal with facts, not hearsay
"Never said it was ignorant. But I think it's week that you have to pay for your pussy, and pay for your friends."
-Its not "week" its "weak". The fees are so minimal that money doesn’t factor into membership. We wave fees for people that can't afford to pay the fees. As for the fact of “paying for pussy”, why do you objectify women as just pussy? I treat real women with respect and love.
"No, I agree that I am stereotyping, I don't feel like doing a tour across America to meet one frat guy who doesn't fit my stereotype. And as a group, as a whole, ya'll fit my description. And by the way, you can start sentences with and."
-I've seen Finding Forrester as well, but I still don’t like it.
I’ve got better things to do on a Saturday than deal with a bitter, close minded person. I’m going to go enjoy the sun, spend the day with my friends. I suggest you do the same. Have a great day, and thanks for the lively argument.
-Engelwood
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"Judging from what I've read from you on the board, you’re an arrogant groupie, who probably pays bitches to have sex with him."
-Just because you lost an argument, doesn’t mean you have to attack me personally! If you want to change minds, deal with facts, not hearsay
"Never said it was ignorant. But I think it's week that you have to pay for your pussy, and pay for your friends."
-Its not "week" its "weak". The fees are so minimal that money doesn’t factor into membership. We wave fees for people that can't afford to pay the fees. As for the fact of “paying for pussy”, why do you objectify women as just pussy? I treat real women with respect and love.
"No, I agree that I am stereotyping, I don't feel like doing a tour across America to meet one frat guy who doesn't fit my stereotype. And as a group, as a whole, ya'll fit my description. And by the way, you can start sentences with and."
-I've seen Finding Forrester as well, but I still don’t like it.
I’ve got better things to do on a Saturday than deal with a bitter, close minded person. I’m going to go enjoy the sun, spend the day with my friends. I suggest you do the same. Have a great day, and thanks for the lively argument.
-Engelwood
First off, you were the first to step to me personally and call me ignorant, you couldn't help but show your true colors, your an aroggant frat punk, who thinks that a piece of paper, your grade card, and your rich friends, equated the total sum of your worth as a person. And that explains why you are so weak mentally and morally, your shortsighted, and working with a grafted and limited view of self. But I see the whole picture, and I maximize my full potential, I see you for what you really are, through my intuition.
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2pac was our generations prophet, a thug angel, may he rest in peace, and let us speak posotively of Pac in his absence. He was not the demon the media and the devils made him out to be. The world is a better place because of him. Peace.
TO TRUE
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I promised myself I wouldn’t come back to the computer, but I just had to see what you wrote! :-)
I'm sorry that I called you Ignorant. You are not ignorant, but your views about "frats" and "frat kids" are. I think it’s amazing that you can dismiss a person with your "Intuition" over the internet. You have never met me. You have never seen how I live or met any of my friends. All you have seen from me is a limited number of words about a limited subject. It’s amazing to me that you can see the whole picture, and know so much about me, yet never have met me. I think it’s silly that you can attack a person's morals and beliefs because you disagree with them. Please take the time and see the whole picture and really read what I said. I gave you the respect and read every word you wrote twice over. Keep using your full potential to dismiss anybody who disagrees with you.
Have a great day.
-Engelwood
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*Wink* ;)
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I promised myself I wouldn’t come back to the computer, but I just had to see what you wrote! :-)
I'm sorry that I called you Ignorant. You are not ignorant, but your views about "frats" and "frat kids" are. I think it’s amazing that you can dismiss a person with your "Intuition" over the internet. You have never met me. You have never seen how I live or met any of my friends. All you have seen from me is a limited number of words about a limited subject. It’s amazing to me that you can see the whole picture, and know so much about me, yet never have met me. I think it’s silly that you can attack a person's morals and beliefs because you disagree with them. Please take the time and see the whole picture and really read what I said. I gave you the respect and read every word you wrote twice over. Keep using your full potential to dismiss anybody who disagrees with you.
Have a great day.
-Engelwood
I'm sorry I took up so much of your time. I'm sure you have very important things that I am keeping you from. I admitted to you straight up, that my views on frat guys were a gross generalization, and that they were stereotypical. I said I would cop to that flaw in my logic. So what are we arguing about? And why are we arguing? We are arguing because you called me ignorant. But you retracted those comments, so our quarrel has ended. You are an intelligent brother youself. Peace, 1 nation, hip-hop nation. Peace.
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everythin infinite said is true...they made him out to be 1 of the biggest phsycos and shit...but if u compare him to the rest of them in the US...2pac was wayyyy below ur average thug mudaphukka...